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Tsakos Energy Navigation Limited (TEN)

Q4 2012 Earnings Call· Fri, Apr 19, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Tsakos Energy Navigation Conference call on the Fourth Quarter and Year-end 2012 Financial Results. We have with us Mr. John Stavropoulos, Chairman; Mr. Nikolas Tsakos, President and CEO; Mr. Paul Durham, Chief Financial Officer; and Mr. George Saroglou, Chief Operating Officer of the company. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question-and-answer session (Operator Instructions) I must advise you that this conference is being recorded today, Friday, April 19, 2013. And I now pass the floor to Mr. Nicolas Bornozis, President of Capital Link, Investor Relation Advisor of Tsakos Energy Navigation. Please go ahead, sir.

Nicolas Bornozis

Management

Thank you very much and good morning to all of our participants. This is Nicolas Bornozis of Capital Link, Investor Relations Advisor to Tsakos Energy Navigation. The company released its financial results for the fourth quarter and full year 2012. The press release has been distributed publicly and you should have received a copy of it by now. Should you not have a copy, please call us at 212-661-7566 or email us at ten@capitallink.com and we will email it to you. Parallel to today’s conference call, there is also a live audio and slide webcast which can be accessed through the Company’s website at the front page at www.tenn.gr. The conference call will follow the presentation slides, so we urge you to access the presentation and webcast. Please note that the slides and webcast will also be available as an archive after the conference call. Also please note that the slides of the webcast presentation are user controlled, so by clicking on the proper button you can move to the next or to the previous slide on your own. At this time, I would like to read the Safe Harbor statement. This conference call and slide presentation of the webcast contain certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1955. Investors are cautioned that such forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties which may affect TEN’s business prospects and results of operations. Such risks are more fully disclosed in TEN’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Ladies and gentlemen, at this point I would like to turn the call over to Mr. John Stavropoulos, the Chairman of Tsakos Energy Navigation. Mr. Stavropoulos, please go ahead sir.

D. John Stavropoulos

Management

Thank you very much and good morning to all. Thank you for joining us. Before turning to Tim, I would like to say that all of us in the Tsakos Group are deeply saddened and shocked of the tragic event at the Boston Marathon. As Greeks we feel a special attachment to the Marathon and the Olympics as symbols of pride and fame and endurance. The bombing have reminded us of the shameful attack at the Atlanta Olympics in 1996. The importance for the human race is that we will overcome these shameful acts. The London Marathon on Sunday and the Boston Marathon’s in the future have confirmed victory over evil. The Marathon will return to Boston with appropriate pride and celebration. The products of long training and experience, the bandwidth endurance will again be applied. Turning to TEN, the shipping industry is undergoing a severe test. Since it has not escaped the training of 2012, the second consecutive year of losses, also we take solid substantial growing strategy as much as an impact. The managements’ focus on strong liquidity has benefited. The results for 2012 were much in place for the loss of 2011 and the activity thus far in 2013 is very encouraging. The Board of Directors which met last week is very proud of Nikolas Tsakos and the entire Tsakos team. Their plans for the future give us comfort that our neutral goal of rebuilding and storing the value will all be realized. Thank you. Thank you, Nikolas.

Nikolas P. Tsakos

Management

Chairman, thank you for your good words and from all of us in the meeting, all our condolences to our friends in Boston, now all over the United States, because it has been really a very prime week with events in Texas, this also is very close to us because our oil and transportation business down there and of course Boston and we hope that these will be extreme events this. Thank you Chairman for your good words. Although it’s not after 20 years, we are likely to celebrate our 20th year as a publically traded company in the New York Stock Exchange. We have been very proud that 18 of those years have been with significant profitability. The two recent years as you mentioned, unfortunately we have not been able to report profits because of the environment around us or however the results of 2012 are significantly better by 45%, better than the results of 2011. And the start of 2013 gives us comfort that we might be returning to profitability sooner rather than later and more surely as an index that we were able to control our new building efforts because I think this market has suffered basically from the oversupply rather from the lack of demand. And I think as our COO will explain, we are still looking at growth, both significant growth in the transportation of products, significant growth also in the demand for crude. However, having over build this industry we have suffered for the last two years. It seems in 2014, we will be finally getting out of this product supply. However, I think we have to be cautious until all of our friends and colleagues are letting this market with more new buildings. Our company has been able to take advantage of our long-term relationship enhancement. Even further sign contracts in excess of $1 billion with an average of 3.2 years for our fixed vessels. I think this is a very good position to be. We have diversified fleet. We are perhaps the largest product model for the current fleets in the water. I think there are lot of companies out there that are all building new business for the future for better (inaudible), but I think we have as we reported products now and they are taking advantage as we will see from our results from this environment. Our LNG and Shuttle tankers are also expanding our long-term industrialized shipping business. And at the same time, we believe that we should not be far away that the crews would turn the corner as products they have been there. I would ask George Saroglou to give us the developments of the last year and the recent events and then we will be happy to answer questions.

George V. Saroglou

Management

Thank you, Nikolas. It is my pleasure to speak with all of you today and provide some of the details of the operation of another quarter and another year. For those of you who are connected to the Internet in our website, there is an online slide presentation. We will follow the format after the presentation during the call. Let’s turn to Slide number 3, where we see the current fleet which consist of 28 product tankers all of them in the water as we speak producing for TEN. This is one of the largest product fleets in the water operating in a product tanker market, where we clearly see signs of trading profitably. We also have 19 crude carriers and 2 LNG vessels including one in the water and one on earth. The next slide gives some general market highlights. Global oil demand is modestly growing and currently stands at about 91 million barrels per day, which is at an all time high level. There is increased product demand not enough to offset the new building deliveries especially on the large group carriers, the VLCC and Suezmax. However, the order book is coming down. It’s 11.1% at the end of 2012 versus 14.4% at the end of 2012 and 2013 looks to be the last year with a big delivery schedule. The dramatic events of the cold weather in the Northern Hemisphere played its part again this winter with ice-class crude outperforming the general market. Just to give you an example, (inaudible) is the main ice-class crude was in the area and above the 100,000 levels for about a month and of course we had to highlight for that tankers which continue to operate in an improving phase of market environment. 2013 marks the fifth year of the straight…

Paul Durham

Management

Thank you, George. As you see from our press release we ended another tough year with some promising signs with a 45% improvement in results for the 2011 and a good start to 2013 in terms of charters. While our return to profitability was not on the cards of 2012 at least the possibility of a return in the near future became greater. Excluding our internals and small loss on vessel sales, the quarter total loss was $9 million, half of that of quarter four 2011 and operating income was positive at $4.8 million compared to $2.9 million operating loss in last year’s fourth quarter. Similarly for the full year, the net loss before impairment and capital loss was $53.8 million compared to $55.1 million loss in 2011. Operating income again excluding both impairments and capital losses or gains was $16.7 million compared to an operating loss of $3.3 million last year, a very encouraging sign. The factors that boosted quarter four and 2012 earnings in comparison to the previous periods were, firstly the disposal of the VLCC which in 2011 incurred heavy voyage expenses in a difficult stock market. These vessels were inactive in quarter four and indeed inactive for most of 2012. The LNG carrier enjoyed a significantly higher rate in quarter four and in 2012. There was a boost in product carrier rates especially for the smaller carriers, with a expiry of half of our interest rates loss, which were a significant burden in recent years. And we kept control of the level of our expenditure. We were obliged to incur an impairment charge of $13.6 million on our last VLCC Millennium. Answers became clear after the expiry later of this year of the existing long-term profitable charter, the market for such vessels would most likely not…

Nikolas P. Tsakos

Management

Thanks Paul. These were positive note I hope and we would like to take this opportunity and open the floor for any questions from our listeners. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from the line of David Beard from IBERIA. Please go ahead. David E. Beard – IBERIA Capital Partners LLC: Hi, good morning gentlemen.

Nikolas P. Tsakos

Management

Good morning. David E. Beard – IBERIA Capital Partners LLC: Would you mind just reviewing your charter policy and if you intent to leave to be more spot or more fixed going into 2014-2015, just given were obviously close to the bottom than the top of the markets?

Nikolas P. Tsakos

Management

Sure, as I said we have a mixed policy even where we’re using a lot of our long-term relationships in order to secure business with profit sharing. So as we speak today we have about 62% of our business is fixed or then with profit sharing or fixed time charters and the remaining 38% is on the spot market. David E. Beard – IBERIA Capital Partners LLC: Okay, thanks. And maybe just talk a little bit about scrapping rates and what your outlook is and then now that varies quite a bit from your different product categories, but given where rates are what is your outlook on scrapping?

Nikolas P. Tsakos

Management

Well, we expect the scrapping to maintain its trend. So, I mean, it will always be between $400 and $500. We will see a big level for the largest vessels. And so I think that this way, we are seeing a significant scrapping. So far about 8 million dead weight tons for year-to-date have been scrapped. So, I think we’ve increased scrapping. And also with this finally decreasing new building order book, we would be certainly seeing a much more balanced market. We’ve seen this. We must starting from the products but also going forward towards the goods carriers. David E. Beard – IBERIA Capital Partners LLC: Okay, great. And maybe my last question just focused on LNG for a second because there seems to be a lot of short-term concern over weakness and spot rates. Would you just talk about what you see in the spot market and does that change your longer-term view on LNG?

Nikolas P. Tsakos

Management

No. I think the opposite. Today, I mean we have seen all our vessel is fixed for another three years at $80,000 unchanged, which is a very substantial, I mean, it’s a very comfortable rate, since we have about $30,000 breakeven. So, this was in fact a lot of to our bottom line. Today we have this vessel and it’s spotted to learn closer to $100,000. It’s correct, but perhaps six months ago, it would have been $150,000, but I think at this level the market is still strong. The only reasons for concern are the delays or the value assumed with infrastructural trades and product that might lead to have a delay in the demand for transportation, but that’s closer to 2014 and 2015. However if you put the overall picture, I think the existing order book is not sufficient to cover the agreed need for the transportation. So in general, it’s a positive picture, but of course there are some delays that, correctly as you said make it take some time until the supply and demand become balanced. David E. Beard – IBERIA Capital Partners LLC: Okay, good. Thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it.

Nikolas P. Tsakos

Management

Thank you, David.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from [Mathieu Stephen] from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hello gentlemen, thank you very much for the information you gave. So you mentioned that you wanted – that you were urging for restraint in the business. And so I was wondering, if you had any new acquisitions planned or and if yes, which sector you will be looking at?

Nikolas P. Tsakos

Management

Well, I think that (inaudible) for your question, we have our acquisitions in the shuttle tanker, and the LNG, so most specialized vessels without excluding vessels conventional tankers so that our clients will require us to buy something, so which means that they will have a good employment. We are way away from the top of the market of these new building the second enterprise market, so I think in today’s market if we find opportunities we will move.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, great. And so how would you if any new acquisitions how are thinking of financing and how would your see the financing market right now? What are your thoughts – like raising new capital through growth or external (inaudible) for equity or high-yield bonds maybe?

Nikolas P. Tsakos

Management

For us I think our COO gave the presentation on how – I think a surprise right now has been battered almost as 50% down because mainly (inaudible), and this unfortunately has to do because the majority or a big part of our peer group has had difficulties. And I think if you have companies like always do this has been considered. I think that the table was on peer group that has unfortunately filed less amount for charter 11. We used to say that, always give the dividend or [ARPU] and in shipping, so if you have the filing and two other companies which offers. So a surprise for no reason that has to do with us, it’s almost been an amazing by today’s 50% of its value a year ago. And a year ago the market was much worse than it’s today, so you know in such logic we cannot issue shares that is very diluted, 11 of course the company is looking at other ways. There is still companies like us with solid projects. There is still ample bank debt, we just financed two shuttle tankers, very good terms close to 80% and very competitively. So I mean, as long as we have the projects, we’re going to be able to finance them through bank debts and the cash flows of the company is building up.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great. Thank you very much for that. And on a previous call you mentioned the possibility of creating an MLP with your vessels along the charter. Has there been any progress on that front and what would be timing for that?

Nikolas P. Tsakos

Management

I think the MLP is something we are very closely considering and I think the timing is within this year.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, within this year, great. And so, we talked about this earlier, the suezmax and the aframax rates, with perform rates should be well during the last couple of months despite the depressed VLCC market. So what do you attribute to that and how does the trade look like in the second quarter, the last couple of weeks the suezmax rates have shown to be heading lower?

Nikolas P. Tsakos

Management

Well, I think the uncertainty in terms of the VLCC they are going to be the last vessels to react because of the size. The market right now is really based a lot on tradable flexibility. So as long as this is left, the aframaxes and the suezmaxes have been preferred by charters that would rather take a risk on 1 million barrels or 600,000 barrels rather than using of 2 million barrels.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

That makes sense. Okay. And, then one last question, can you maybe talk to us about the ship building market, what kind of developments have you seen in the last couple of years and how do your ships compare in terms of daily earnings compared to the newly designed eco ships that everybody is talking about that are being delivered right now?

Nikolas P. Tsakos

Management

Yes, this is a very good point. And as I said, I think our fleet is a very young fleet and I think any – and we’re talking right here for the product carriers and the aframaxes. I think the super eco versus one that will be correct in design are going to make a lot of sense from high speed vessels, but then huge amounts. So I think they will make sense on 8,000 TEU or 10,000 TEU container. They might make sense going forward on VLCC’s because of the shear size of the vessels. But for the mainstream shipping, I think any vessel would just spend years of anchor by spending a minute percent of what you need to spend on a ship as a new building, you can achieve very similar results. : So like everything, this first generation of vessel, we are not going to enter and actually add the insult to injury by building ships. Because all our ships right now are more than enough and as economics, as the capacity for first generation Super Eco Ships that people are building left and right and unfortunately we will get the market. : So like everything, this first generation of vessel, we are not going to enter and actually add the insult to injury by building ships. Because all our ships right now are more than enough and as economics, as the capacity for first generation Super Eco Ships that people are building left and right and unfortunately we will get the market.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great. Thank you very much for that Nikolas, and that was my last question.

Nikolas P. Tsakos

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator instruction) Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. Please continue.

Nikolas P. Tsakos

Management

Well, again thank you very much for following our company. As I said, we believe that there are strong signs which we could not talk about a year ago, but the market following the return of the product carriers in good level, so the two carriers hopefully will see signs of their falling. Then huge appetite for all our major clients and then is not in operation in chapter six to the major (inaudible) injunction, if you follow a last couple of months, we have done a lot of business like with the first class names and all of the relationships. So there are signs that the market is normalizing. And we believe right now we are at service is really well competitive priced to show you the list and we hope that we will be able to come back to profitability sooner rather than later. The indications of the first quarter are positive, but still does not allow me to say too much about that until we see relative calculations. But I have to say we are in a better environment than we were a year ago in all respect. So thank you for your patience. As I said we have the 18 profitable years, two negative years and hopefully we will be able to come back to profitability. Chairman, would you like to add something?

D. John Stavropoulos

Management

Thank you. And again, all of you Boston and Texas and all over the United States, of course we’re with you and we will be visiting the United States soon to talk to our shareholders face to face. Thank you.