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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Terex Corporation Q4 2019 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Randy Wilson, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Randy Wilson

Analyst

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for participating in today's fourth quarter 2019 financial results conference call. Participating on today's call are John Garrison, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and John Duffy Sheehan, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Following the prepared remarks, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. We have released our fourth quarter 2019 results, a copy, which is available on terex.com. Today's call is being webcast and is accompanied by a slide presentation, which includes a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures that we will use during this call, and it's also available on our website. All adjusted per share amounts in the presentation are on a fully diluted basis. We will post a replay of this call on the Terex Investor Relations website under Events and Presentations. Let me direct your attention to Slide 2, which is our forward-looking statement and description of non-GAAP financial measures. We encourage you to read this, as well as other items in our disclosures because the information we will be discussing today does include forward-looking material. With that, please turn to Slide 3, and I will turn it over to John Garrison.

John Garrison

Analyst

Good morning, and thank you for joining us, and for your interest in Terex. For Terex, operating within the zero harm environmental health and safety culture is an absolute way of life. I am proud of our team's dedication, commitment, and focus on a zero harm safety culture. The global team made great progress during the year, reducing our recordable injuries by 39%, a significant accomplishment. But we realize we can and will continue to make further progress in our zero harm culture. The fourth quarter completed a year where we faced considerable market-driven and operational headwinds, principally within our AWP segment. Our Q4 results reflect the headwinds of the challenging global industrial equipment markets, and our operating results were generally in line with our expectations on lower revenue. AWP's fourth quarter revenue was down 21% from Q4 2018. This demonstrates the cautious customer sentiment in our largest markets in North America and Europe. AWP's revenue decline, coupled with the need to produce below retail demand to reduce inventories, adversely impacted operating margins. Our MP team continued to execute well, maintaining 12% operating margins, despite Q4 revenues being down 10% in the quarter. Driving parts and service growth is one key element of our Execute to Win initiative. Despite the challenging global equipment markets, our parts and service teams drove 7% sales growth on a currency neutral basis. Over time, continued growth from this initiative will help reduce our cyclicality. Given the environment in which we are operating, we have maintained our absolute focus on our disciplined capital allocation strategy. We generated positive free cash flow in the fourth quarter, and generated $86 million of positive free cash flow during 2019. Combined with $160 million of cash proceeds from dispositions, Terex ended 2019 with a strong balance sheet, including over…

John Sheehan

Analyst

Thanks, John. Turning to Page 8. Let me begin by reviewing our Q4 segment highlights. AWP sales of $500 million contracted by 21% compared to last year, driven by continued challenging markets in North America and Europe. During the fourth quarter, we saw a 55% increase in China sales, where the aerial market continues to grow through increased product adoption. Overall, lower sales and significantly reduced production levels challenged AWP's operating margins in the quarter. As we discussed last quarter, to align customer demand and to manage inventory, we have been significantly reducing production. During Q4, we reduced production levels 45% compared to Q4 2018. This resulted in lower manufacturing absorption and lower material cost savings. AWP fourth quarter bookings of $755 million were 22% lower than in Q4 2018. But the book-to-bill ratio did improve sequentially. Backlog at year end was $753 million, down 31% from the prior year. However, AWP's year-end 2019 backlog is not fully comparable to the prior year, as not all 2020 advanced purchase orders from our national account customers weren't completed by December 31, 2019. Additionally, national account customers placed a smaller percentage of their plan 2020 CapEx on advanced purchase orders. When adjusted for these year-over-year customer ordering patterns, our backlog supports our AWP revenue guidance. Materials processing closed out the year with another solid quarter, achieving 12% operating margins, despite challenging markets. Sales were $321 million, down 10% from the fourth quarter 2018, driven by cautious customer sentiment, delaying capital purchases of crushing and screening products, material handlers, and environmental equipment. Operating margins decreased off the levels we experienced during the first three quarters of the year, but we're still double digits, as the MP team has been aggressively managing all elements of cost in a challenging market environment. Backlog of $295…

John Garrison

Analyst

Thank you, Duffy. I'll review our segments starting with AWP. The North American and European markets our Aerial Work Platforms are challenging. However, the North American utilities market remains strong. Our North American rental customers continue to be cautious in their capital expenditure decisions. They are prudently managing their fleet utilization. As we move into the latter half of the year and into 2021. We expect the replacement cycle in North America and Europe to increase. Finally, the ongoing adoption of Aerial Work Platforms in China is fueling growth. To improve margins, AWP team is fully committed to executing their strategic sourcing plans, including transitioning significant volume to new suppliers. We are seeing savings rates consistent with our expectations. However, the lower production levels have impacted the total value of savings realized due date. In Aerials market, Genie brand is synonymous with technological leadership and innovation. In 2020, we will continue to add more fuel efficient hybrid products and fill out the extra capacity line, which will be on display at CONEXPO. The XC line is important for Genie, as the new ANSI standards governing load levels are currently due to take effect in March. The utilities team will transition to renew manufacturing and engineering facility during the summer. This new facility will improve efficiency and increase capacity, which together with new products and services will enable Terex utilities to continue to grow. For example, the Terex utilities TL-ADJUSTED pictured on the slide is a new product serving the transmission line distribution market. The electric grid requires significant continued investment to support the electrification and innovation that is occurring around the world. We invite you to visit us at our CONEXPO at our Terex booths to see our exciting new products and service offerings. Turning to AMP on Slide 14.…

Randy Wilson

Analyst

Thanks, John. As a reminder, during the question and answer session, we asked you to limit your questions to one and a follow up to ensure we have time to get to everyone. With that, I'd like to open up for questions, operator.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Jerry Ravage with Goldman Sachs.

Jerry Ravage

Analyst

Hi. Good morning, everyone. Can you expand more on your outlook for the second quarter, you know, for earnings to hit the level. So call it $0.95 at the midpoint of guidance. You know, I think essentially you'd be within 100 basis points of your Aerials margins in second quarter of 19. Can you just fact check that for me and just step through the moving piece and in terms of why the second quarter this year is expected to be disproportionately significant compared to prior years?

John Garrison

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Jerry. I'll take that question. And when you look at the dispersion of our EPS guidance for the year, it reflects that the challenging Q1 will have with our expectation that AWP revenue would be down year-over-year by 25% in Q1 and that we would have almost 25% lower production on a global basis for AWP also in the first quarter, and then the impact of the corona virus. In the second quarter, it is as you certainly know our seasonally adjusted best quarter of the year. And both the Aerials business as well as our utilities business and so we are expecting a strong Q2. Production will be coming more in line with retail demand in the second quarter after a down Q1. And so we are expecting both our Aerials and utilities businesses to perform, which would drive strong operating performance for Terex as a whole.

Jerry Ravage

Analyst

And John, may -- maybe expand on that point. So how much are you expecting production to be up sequentially in the second quarter versus the first quarter compared to normal seasonality to get that big margin ramp that you're looking for? Just correct me if I'm wrong, but you're betting about, I don't know 800, 900 base points sequential improvement in AWP 2Q versus 1Q. So if you wouldn't mind just building our comfort level around that, that'd be helpful?

John Garrison

Analyst

No problem at all. I don't disagree with the range in which you're estimating the margin improvement in AWP from Q1 to Q2. And that would be on the production would increase, as I said a few moments ago, production down year-over-year in Q1 by 24% to 25%. And production from Q2 of 19 to Q2 of 20 would be down in the 10-ish percent range, which would be in line with where revenue was. So that would be you'd see a sequential improvement by 10% to 15% actually.

Jerry Ravage

Analyst

So we're done with destock as of Q1, essentially?

John Garrison

Analyst

The biggest portion of it that is absolutely correct.

Jerry Ravage

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Ann Duignan with JP Morgan.

Ann Duignan

Analyst · JP Morgan.

Hi, good morning. I'm a little concerned about the backlog and the outlook for materials processing. I mean, as we look in the United States and in Europe, I mean, the fundamentals are not that bad particularly in the US for infrastructure investment is booming. Can you just talk about your Materials Processing, leaving out the cranes businesses and what's going on regionally with that business? Are you seeing that there's any should we be worried that you're losing market share somewhere?

John Garrison

Analyst · JP Morgan.

Thanks, Ann, thanks for the question about MP, we're excited about our MP business. It's been a very strong, consistent performer and has done well over the course last couple years and we think it will continue to do well, but the global macroeconomic environment is impacting demand, but different dynamics and are driving for each business. If we look at backlog we had a historically high backlog going into 2019 and historically, the business did not operate a debt level backlog. Normally, it's a much shorter cycle of book to business type of business. So if you look going into 19, our backlog was almost 50% higher than it had been in the previous three years. So I would say the backlog, obviously would like to have higher backlog but I would say the backlog now is along a more normal pattern, historical pattern. When we went into 19, when it was tight, we did strongly encourage our dealer network around the world to get their orders in for the full year demand. And with our lead times being shorter this year, there's not that need for the dealers to place that level of demand this early in the year. So that that is a key dynamic that is impacting the overall backlog. And if we look at the businesses as you asked, and so if you look at crushing and screening, you know, in North America, the retail utilization rate of the dealers, rental equipment is stable. They're seeing good utilization but there's a hesitancy a caution on the customers to convert the rental to ownership you know, which is delaying the restocking of the networks. So overall, the markets still good utilization still good. There's just customers are being generally cautious on the crushing and screening side.…

Ann Duignan

Analyst · JP Morgan.

That's helpful color. Did you quantify the impact of coronavirus on your Q1 EPS? Or can you?

John Garrison

Analyst · JP Morgan.

So, if you don't mind definitely before we quantify just a broader comment on the corona virus. I want to say first, our priority is to our team members and we have been fortunate that none of our team members have been reported with the virus. We do have a world class manufacturing facility for AWP segment in Changzhou. Due to the virus we did delay opening of the plant like most companies in China, our plan did open this week on February 11. But the ramp has been slowed because the only team members that are allowed to come back to the plant are the team members that did not travel out of the city during the Lunar New Year holiday. So it's going to be a slow ramp because they have to self-quarantine for 14 days. So we're working that with our AWP team. We're working that with our suppliers. And as Duffy said in the guidance, we have incorporated the impact of the coronavirus, we believe in our Q1 and Q2 performance. And our guidance does assume that we will make up the Q1 and Q2 shortcoming. As we move through Q3 and Q4. Duff do want to add anything there?

John Sheehan

Analyst · JP Morgan.

I would say that from a revenue perspective. Since the situation is still evolving, we, for purposes of guidance anyway, at the moment, there is a say $25 million to $30 million revenue impact built into the guidance for Q1 and negative $25 million to $30 million revenue impact and a $5 million to $10 million OP impact that's been built into that.

Ann Duignan

Analyst · JP Morgan.

Okay, that's very helpful. Thank you. I appreciate that.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Jamie Cook with Credit Suisse.

Jamie Cook

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Hi, good morning. Just another question on the area of business for the first quarter understanding we're down 25%. I'm assuming we're losing money again in the first quarter. If there's any way you could sort of handicap how much we will lose in the first quarter. And then we're under producing in the first quarter. Is that just the coronavirus? Because the sales assumption doesn't seem to materially different from what we said before. And just my last question, did I miss what you guys said on supply chain benefits in and what implied in guidance and the cadence of that for the year? Thank you.

John Garrison

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Is that when look at our Aerial work platforms segment the Aerial work platforms business did have positive operating margin in Q4 2019 and will have positive operating margin in Q1 2020. So, the segment isn't losing money. The revenue is certainly ahead. The market environment resulting in 25% lower revenue is certainly a headwind and our bringing inventory levels down and therefore producing significantly below retail demand has been challenging the profitability of the business. And once we get ourselves past both of those impacts we do expect the margins to improve.

John Sheehan

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

You want to go the supply chain.

John Garrison

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

So Jamie, and I think your last question was around supply chain with in specific to strategic sourcing. Is that your questions Jamie?

Jamie Cook

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Yes, that was my question. The supply chain assumption in the [indiscernible] guidance.

John Garrison

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Yes, so thank you. So in our 2020 guidance, you know, we're anticipating a full year impact of about $50 million. As I said in my opening comments, we're experiencing good savings rates on what we're doing. But the lower production volume is taking longer to consume the raw in with inventory in the pipeline. So we've built that in, I will say the teams are really doing a good job, we literally changed thousands of parts over the course of '19 and we were able to do that with limited to no disruption to our manufacturing facility. So you know, the teams internalize these processes, developing the SSI capability is critical to us. And we're going to continue to drive improvements in strategic sourcing, and I think you see that clearly show up as we go through the year and the incremental or detrimental margins that will enjoy. And I will say that the largest percentage of savings that we're seeing in strategic sourcing is associated with our AWP segment.

Jamie Cook

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Okay, thanks. I appreciate the color.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from David Raso with Evercore ISI.

David Raso

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

Good morning, my questions on the cash flow guidance. When you adjust for the lower CapEx year-over-year, but also absorb the extra 25 million for the retirement obligation. It implies the free cash flow you grow $60 million to $70 million and that's despite EBIT being down $95 million, G&A will be down about $6 million, $7 million. Just trying to get comfortable with why do we expect strong working capital performance throughout the year, especially if it's very concentrated in the first part of the year. And then production ramps back. Just trying to gain comfort with that?

John Sheehan

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

So David, I'll take that. In the down revenue environment headwind at market environment that we anticipate for 2020 and it will result in a shrinking of the balance sheet. So that we do expect that accounts receivable will be a source of cash as we bring our inventory levels down and don't restock them that the level of accounts payable will also result in a source of cash. So it's really about the dynamics associated with reductions in the inventories, the collection of the receivables that result in working capital being a source of cash. So I can assure you that our team is absolutely focused on the working capital generation and free cash flow generation. And that, you know, I acknowledge that our free cash flow generation has got to improve. And John and I have been all over our teams on that subject. And you will see us achieved the $140 million a free cash flow performance in 2020.

David Raso

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

I appreciate that. I mean, Just last year we spoke to being very committed to the free cash flow and it's still proved elusive. And I'm just trying to say that anything changed would how people are being compensated anything, John, how you're thinking about being willing to give up sales to make sure that the cash flows is there. So just trying to understand why should we believe the guidance this year when last year in a big under production year, where you would have thought it would have generated some decent working capital inflows, it didn't materialize?

John Garrison

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

Right. Thanks, David. So yes for the management team networking capital as part of our incentive compensation plan, and it was significantly below target in 2019. Obviously, we want to drive to that target in 2020. So from a compensation standpoint, I can assure you that the management team is focused on driving the networking capital. And one of the things David is we're being very disciplined on production. And even in the fourth quarter, the revenue was down a little bit more than we had forecasted. And so we're still trying to ensure that we're producing below retail demand to bring our inventories in line and we are going to be very disciplined. I think it's important in these types of businesses in this in these markets. Be very disciplined on your production because it doesn't help anybody to over produce and build inventory and put it put yourself in a position where you may have to do some things on pricing that you don't want to do. So we're going to attack inventory, we're going to attack our production schedules, and we're going to adjust our production schedules based on the revenue level to drive that networking capital as Duffy said, into free cash flow for the year. And as you mentioned, we're continuing to expand with a sizable investments, great organic growth or CapEx remains elevated. We think that's in the best long-term interest of our shareholders. So it has intense focus, it is part of our incentive compensation plan, highly disappointed in our performance this year, and it was reflected in the [indiscernible] of our leadership team. And we're going to turn that around in 2020.

David Raso

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

Well, lastly, related to that; let's say if you did do the free cash flow of 140 the dividends probably only call it $35 million, the excess $105 million roughly, how should we expect the use of that? If you do hit those free cash flow targets?

John Sheehan

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

Yes. So we'll follow our discipline allocation strategy, David and that will include returning capital to shareholders during this market headwind portion of the economic cycle, we have been preserving liquidity through the downturn. We ended 2019 with $1.1 billion of liquidity on the balance sheet and between our cash on the balance sheet and available, revolving credit facility, borrowings. We think that's a good place to be. Net debt to EBITDA 1.6 times. So, we will continue to consider what the right level of liquidity is and to make sure that we are following the discipline capital allocation strategy, including efficient return of capital of shareholders.

David Raso

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

So note, just to be clear here; I'm it's the start of the year, so probably the easier time to ask but any commitment from management on where that would be utilized? Again, if everything played out as you thought that access $105 million. Are you comfortable with the leverage amount and EBITDA will be down a bit this year so the leverage naturally goes up if you maintain it the debt level, but would you look at this as a share repo opportunity or are you more sensitive to keeping the leverage down as the EBITDA drops?

John Garrison

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

David, we had a through cycle EBITDA target, net debt to EBITDA target, 2.5 we like to position we're going into the year. We have an outstanding share repurchase authorization outstanding as the board has approved, and we will be opportunistic in the market against that outstanding share repurchase authorization, but we will manage our liquidity to ensure that we don't create any liquidity issues for ourselves, but we like the position we're in now, David, going into a softer year.

David Raso

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

I appreciate the time. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Mig Dobre with Baird.

Mig Dobre

Analyst · Baird.

Morning, everyone. Want to dig in a little more on AWP just understand the moving pieces there. So can you can you talk a little bit about the utility business in 2019? So on that $2.7 billion of revenue, how much of that was associated with the utility business? And can you maybe give us a little clarity as to how you're thinking about that portion of the business? As far as the 2020 guidance for the segment is concerned?

John Garrison

Analyst · Baird.

Yes. Thanks, Mig. Yes, utilities are part of our AWP segment. It's a really solid business. And what's different about the utilities business, is it doesn't experience the same seasonality and cyclicality of Aerials business. So it's a little bit more constant. As we go through the course of the year. As we've said, it was about $400 million. So you can plan between $400 million and $450 million in revenue, reasonably split equally across the quarter. Q1's a little lower. Q2 picks up. But relatively consistent across the year, and as we've said, generating 9% to 10% level operating margins. Q3 is going to be a bit challenging for the team this year. We've anticipated that in our guide, as we move from our manufacturing facilities into our state-of-the-art facility. That will occur in Q3. As we move, as we get into the new facility, we expect two things to occur. One, increased capacity to take advantage of a growing market. The electrical grid market is a good space to be. There's a lot of infrastructure investment required for that. And we think that's going to give us increased capacity because right now, we are capacity constrained and have lead times that are extended in our utilities business. And then we also believe it's going to improve and drive efficiency for us as we go forward. But if you think about $400 million to $450 million, reasonably spread across the year, 9% to 10% operating margin, that's a good way to think about that business in 2020.

Mircea Dobre

Analyst · Baird.

It's fair to say that this business is -- you expected to be up some in 2020?

John Garrison

Analyst · Baird.

Slightly, yes.

Mircea Dobre

Analyst · Baird.

Slight, okay. So, then if I look at the low end of your guidance, I mean, that implies your AWP business to be below $2 billion in revenue. Can you frame this number for us historically because there's been so much noise in this segment with stuff kind of going in and coming out? Where would that revenue be versus, say 2016, coming out of the industrial recession? And how should we think about that level of revenue versus all the modeling that you've done historically, as far as replacement demand is concerned? Are we back to replacement demand levels? Really help us out with a framework here?

John Garrison

Analyst · Baird.

Right. So, let me -- I don't have 16 in front of me. So, we'll have to get back to you on that, Mick. Sorry about that. We'll have that for the next time. But let me frame the replacement cycle commentary. As we go into 2020, again, I think customers are being highly disciplined in their CapEx plans. I was at ARA this week and talking to multiple customers across the customer spectrum. They're being disciplined. They do say as we move in the back half of 2020 into 2021, the replacement cycle in the aerials business should begin to kick in. They're already talking about it as they look at their longer range capital plans, and that's a result of the products that were purchased seven to eight years ago because in general, the equipment maintains its first life in the rental channels for seven to eight years. So, the replacement cycle was a topic of conversation with customers just even this week. And we do think as we move into the 2021 time period, that the replacement cycle in the aerial business will kick in going forward, and help to build demand as we move from 2020 into 2021. Obviously, it's only February of 2020 but looking longer term or intermediate term, we clearly would expect the replacement cycle to kick in, in North American and also in Europe. Europe is on a very similar cycle to North America.

John Sheehan

Analyst · Baird.

And Mick, as John said a moment ago, we don't have 2016 with us here in the room, so apologies for that. I would say that the aerials are a [indiscernible] portion of our business in the guidance we've provided today with the information John gave you is still above revenue of $2 billion, and is in the same area that it was in 2017. So, I would say it's up versus 2016 because obviously 2016 was lower.

Mircea Dobre

Analyst · Baird.

Right. All right, that's helpful. Thank you.

John Sheehan

Analyst · Baird.

Absolutely.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Stephen Volkmann with Jefferies.

Stephen Volkmann

Analyst · Jefferies.

Good morning, guys. I just had a quick follow-up on this utilities thing as well. So, once we consolidate these plants into the new one, do we still think about this as a 9% to 10% EBIT business, John?

John Garrison

Analyst · Jefferies.

We're challenging the team to do better than that, Stephen. And if I look at production efficiency, the number that was kind of put out there is around 20% improvement in production efficiency associated with the move to the new facility. Now, we'll take time to ramp. It's not going to occur on day one, but would be disappointed if we didn't see an improvement around 20% than our production efficiency within the plant.

John Sheehan

Analyst · Jefferies.

Yes, I mean, I think it'd be fair to say the business case certainly did anticipate growth in the top line for the business as the utilities business continues to take market share. And then secondly, that the manufacturing efficiency drives stronger gross margins.

John Garrison

Analyst · Jefferies.

That's correct.

Stephen Volkmann

Analyst · Jefferies.

Okay. And then, I think in the past you've said that there might be some other things you could do in that facility as well. So, is there any sort of positive benefit anywhere else in the company?

John Garrison

Analyst · Jefferies.

No, this facility is a special purpose facility for utilities product lines for both our installs and what we manufacture on the Boone side. So, we're not currently anticipating using that facility for any other product lines. What we are doing is we have 19 service centers in our utilities business, and those 19 service centers are working very closely with our aerial customers, and we've seen a very nice growth in parts, in service revenue associated with the service centers focusing more on the aerial customers. And so, having the utilities business underneath AWP as a segment has helped to drive some of that synergy, and we did see growth in that in '19, and would anticipate that to continue in '20 and beyond. That was more of the synergy, not necessarily manufacturing synergy in the Watertown plant.

Stephen Volkmann

Analyst · Jefferies.

Got it. Okay, thanks. And then finally, does CapEx go back to kind of maintenance after this is done, or is there more to do?

John Garrison

Analyst · Jefferies.

Stephen, we're not going to -- I don't think it goes all the way back to $40 million of maintenance CapEx as we continue to look at the opportunities for organic growth in our business, the opportunities to invest in some of our systems and processes. And we think it's going to come down from 100, but I don't I don't want to put out there that it's going to go all the way down to maintenance capital levels in 2021.

Stephen Volkmann

Analyst · Jefferies.

Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.

John Garrison

Analyst · Jefferies.

Thank you, Stephen.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Steven Fisher with UBS.

Steven Fisher

Analyst · UBS.

Thanks. Good morning. Just wondering within the MP segment, what degree of revenue decline do you assume for the rough terrains and towers for 2020? I'm not sure if that was included in the answer to Anne's question. And then how are the decrimentals you assumed in the crane component of materials processing versus the legacy materials processing component?

John Garrison

Analyst · UBS.

Yes. So I would say really no difference with the RTs and the towers in terms of the top level revenue guide. So, somewhere in at 10% down range is what we're assuming for that business. And from a margin standpoint, pretty consistent with actually a little lower -- actually, call that 9% to 10%. We did have a good guide in 2019. But 9% to 10% operating margins associated with the crane business and down at the same revenue proportion is the overall segment. I think that's a reasonable assessment.

John Sheehan

Analyst · UBS.

Yes, that's correct.

Steven Fisher

Analyst · UBS.

Okay, that's helpful. And then just over on the AWP side, thinking about the order patterns for the year, I think you mentioned that some of the annual purchase orders didn't get finalized in Q1. Really just kind of thinking about how the order pattern is now set up for both the rest of the first half and into the second half. I'm curious, how does CONEXPO fit into the ordering plans for the year? Is it too early for the customers to kind of be definitive about the second half at this point? So, maybe if you can just kind of walk us through the order patterns you expect here for the rest of the year.

John Garrison

Analyst · UBS.

So, thank you. And specific to AWP and the backlog dynamics, really what impacted this year was timing of the negotiations with the national accounts. And the other dynamic was the percentage of their full year CapEx that they were willing to put on advanced purchase order. So, as I said, the national accounts are being very disciplined with their plans. Our industry lead times were much shorter, so our national account negotiations have flowed into January and into early February. Those negotiations now are principally complete. And you can argue that it's a bit more of a more normal pattern if you go back to '16, '17, than it was as we ended '18 going into '19. So that's where we stand now. In terms of CONEXPO, from an aerials perspective, CONEXPO is not as big a selling show as perhaps cranes and some of the other MP businesses. As I said, I was just at ARA this week. You do sell a little bit at ARA. I think it would be too early in the year, given that it's the second week of March that CONEXPO would have a significant impact on AWP customers. We would expect MP to see some pickup with some of the dealers and customers. So, that's how I'd look at CONEXPO. I would put in a shameless plug for everyone to come visit us at CONEXPO. We've got some incredibly new, exciting, innovative products across our portfolio of product lines that demonstrate the technology that we're inventing, and the telematics that we're investing in, and positioning the business for longer term growth. I hope that answers your question in terms of the flow. But CONEXPO is not going to be a big selling show for AWP segment.

Steven Fisher

Analyst · UBS.

Just wondering, if we should be anticipating any particularly big Q1 swing in orders year-over-year, or is it more starting to neutralize?

John Garrison

Analyst · UBS.

I'd say it's -- given the demand, I'd use the word more neutralized. Obviously, we're going to record some that's flowed into the first quarter. But it's still going to be difficult comps year-over-year until we get to the back half of the year.

John Sheehan

Analyst · UBS.

That's right.

Steven Fisher

Analyst · UBS.

Got it. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

At this time, I will turn the call back over to Mr. Wilson.

Randy Wilson

Analyst

Thank you, operator. This concludes our Q&A session. I will now turn it over to John Garrison for concluding remarks. John?

John Garrison

Analyst

First of all, I want to thank you for your interest in Terex, and I would encourage you -- I know many of you do attend CONEXPO. We will be there. We would love to host you at CONEXPO and show you the exciting things that we have across the portfolio of Terex, and that we're going to be demonstrating and showing to our customers. So again, thank you for your interest. I'd love to see at CONEXPO, and if you have any questions, please follow up with Randy and John.

Operator

Operator

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