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Q3 2021 Earnings Call· Fri, Oct 29, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Terex Corporation's Third Quarter 2021 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Randy Wilson, Director of Investor Relations for Terex Corporation. Thank you. Sir, you may begin.

Randy Wilson

Analyst

Good morning, and welcome to the Terex third quarter 2021 earnings conference call. A copy of the press release and presentation slides are posted on our Investor Relations website at investors.terex.com. In addition, the replay and slide presentation will be available on our website. I'm joined by John Garrison, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and John Duffy Sheehan, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Their prepared remarks will be followed by Q&A. Please turn to Slide 2 of the presentation, which reflects our safe harbor statement. Today's conference call contains forward-looking statements, which are subject to risks that could cause actual results to be materially different from those expressed or implied. In addition, we'll be discussing non-GAAP information that we believe is useful in evaluating the company's operating performance. Reconciliations for these non-GAAP measures can be found in the conference call materials. Please turn to Slide 3, and I'll turn it over to John Garrison.

John Garrison

Analyst

Good morning. And thank you for joining us and for your interest in Terex. I want to take a moment to emphasize once again, that Terex actions are always guided by our values. We consistently act with integrity, operate with excellence and care for our team members, customers, and communities. I would like to thank our team around the world for their continued commitment toward zero-harm safety culture, and Terex Way values. Safety remains the top priority in the company driven by think safe, work safe, home safe. All Terex team members have contributed to our effort to continue to produce some service equipment for our customers while maintaining a safe working environment. Please turn the Slide 4. The team is built on the strong foundation for long-term success with our environmental, social and governance or ESG efforts. A few key points that I would like to highlight as we progress on this journey. Leading with strong governance, our ESG efforts are led by senior management with oversight from our Board of Directors. Turning to social, diversity, equity and inclusion is being embraced and driven by our senior leaders as we increase the dialogue and training around this important topic. On the environmental front, you'll hear more later about how our teams continue to deliver sustainable and innovative products, which our customers are demanding. Finally, we continue to communicate with stakeholders about our ESG journey. We recently released our second ESG report, which can be found in our Investor Relations website. The team support is continuing to engage with investors about ESG matters. I am pleased with our efforts to date, but the team recognizes there is more work to do around this important topic and we will drive execution of our ESG priorities. Please turn to Slide 5. Now…

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst

Thanks John. Turning to Slide 8, let's look at our third quarter results. Overall, revenues of almost $1 billion were up nearly 30% year-over-year with both of our operating segments revenues up more than 25%. As John mentioned earlier, revenues were lower than our expectations going into the quarter. As a result of the higher revenues, our absolute amount of gross profit in the quarter increased 22%. The current global supply chain dynamics materially increased the cost of our operations for both segments through reduced efficiency in our manufacturing facilities and higher material, logistics and labor costs. In the short-run, given previously committed customer purchase orders especially in our AWP segment, we have been unable to pass all of these increased costs onto our customers. As a result gross margins contracted year-over-year in the third quarter. To mitigate the negative impacts of the operating environment our teams have been maintaining strict discipline in our SG&A spending. Despite this quarter's revenue being 30% higher than the same quarter last year, SG&A was $6 million lower than the prior year. For the quarter, we recorded an operating profit of $74 million compared to $37 million in the third quarter of last year, achieving an operating margin of 7.5%. Interest and other expenses was approximately $3 million lower than Q3 of last year resulting from lower outstanding borrowings, combined with reduced rates on the debt we financed earlier this year. Our third quarter 2021 global effective tax rate was approximately 23% driven by a mix of discrete items in the quarter. Our tax rate estimate for the full year remains 19% consistent with our previous look. Finally, our reported EPS of $0.67 per share more than doubled year-over-year. Turn into Slide 9 and our AWP segment financial results. Sales of $573 million were…

John Garrison

Analyst

Thanks, Duffy. Before we go to your questions, I would like to acknowledge that this will be Duffy's last conference call with Terex. As announced a few weeks ago, the entire team is excited to welcome Julie Beck, who will be joining us next week and you will meet Julie at our upcoming conferences in November and December. On behalf of the Board of Directors, the executive leadership team and all Terex team numbers we want to thank Duffy as he will be retiring after five years of exceptional service and leadership at Terex. He has been a great leader, mentor and teammate, and he has created tremendous value for our company. In his five years as CFO, Duffy's guidance has been especially important to me as he has helped lead our transformation journey and position Terex for a strong future.

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst

Thanks for that, John. I'd like to take a moment to thank each Terex team member for their support. I know you will continue to do the same for Julie. I also want to thank you, the analyst and investment community whom I've interacted with on these calls and at conferences. Your pushing and prodding made me a better CFO for Terex, and most importantly to you, John, for giving me this opportunity. We are a great team and good friends. And with that, let me turn it back to you, Randy.

Randy Wilson

Analyst

Thanks Duffy. As a reminder, during the question-and-answer session we ask you to limit your questions to one and follow-up to ensure we answer as many questions as possible this morning. With that I'd like to open up for questions, Operator?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your first question comes from David Raso with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

David Raso

Analyst

Hi. Good morning, congrats Duffy.

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst

Good morning, David.

David Raso

Analyst

My question is on the first half margins for AWP. I know you don't want to give exact guidance. But just trying to think through, I mean, to be fair that your third quarter AWP margins held up pretty well. You're implying the fourth quarter AWP still is solidly profitable at 3.7. Obviously we heard from a main competitor where, maybe their margins are under a little more pressure than that. So I'll leave it open ended. Can you at least help us how you're thinking about first year-over-year margins for AWP, when you think through what's in the backlog, what you already have lined up, your still cost, anything from accounting, you're of more FIFO, they're more LIFO. Just help us, I think that's kind of the key, people are just trying to figure out how much of a whole is the first half in AWP earnings and how much the second half where it'll make sense that the price cost is better. But maybe your still cost depending how you purchased up or down year-over-year as well in the second half. So a lot in that question, I'll let you answer that as you will?

John Garrison

Analyst

Thanks. Thanks for the question, David. And I'll start, well, first let's start at the top, which is we are in a strong demand environment across the business that is especially within the AWP segment, as you see the rental companies are doing well. Their techniques are increasing. We're entering into the – we are under replacement cycle. We think that's going to be an extended cycle as we go forward. So the good news in the aerial business and I would say globally is that we are in a strong demand environment. So that is the good news. The challenge is like most manufacturers were experiencing input costs increases. We have been taking price actions and throughout 2021, but those, those price actions were overtaken by material cost increase we've had. So in 2021, we've been price costs a negative in our AWP segment. As we look to go into 2022, and we're in discussions with customers right now, we're being very transparent with customer in terms of what we are seeing in terms of our input cost. The fact that we have not covered our input cost in our business in 2021. So we are taking price actions and what we believe David is from a price cost neutral standpoint that through the first half of the year, we're still going to be underwater from price cost point and that's given the backlog that we have. We've had backlog that priced at 2021 was supposed to deliver in 2021 did not move into 2022 now. So that backlog is at 2021 pricing. All other backlog will be 2022 pricing. So as we move through the year we believe that we're going to be a price cost negative in the first half of the year making progress, but in the second half of the year, and for the full year 2022 in our AWP segment, that includes both Genie in our utilities business. We believe we can get to price cost neutral for the full year in that segment. And so that's what the teams focused on, and that's what we need to do to drive continues to do customers and drive the margin improvements that U.S. investors expect us to deliver.

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst

I guess I would also just add David that I do – I think John would agree with me that we do expect our AWP segment to be solidly profitable in the first half of next year for sure. We're also going to continue to be very disciplined in the SG&A area as we've seen me here through the course of 2021. And so that I think the AWP segment, our leadership team there is extremely focused on continuing to bring the segment back to double-digit margins. I'm not saying in the first half of next year, just in general they are very focused on restoring the business back to historical margin levels.

David Raso

Analyst

Yes. I think we're just trying to figure if you could maybe give a sense of, should we expect sales up year-over-year, but margins down because when you look at the fourth quarter, even if you add back some fourth quarter 2020, the $11 million of onetime cost, you still have margins that are 150 bits higher year-over-year implied for fourth quarter year-over-year. And I think people are just trying to understand, should we think of the first half as at least, hey, the price cost is challenging enough and you don't have maybe the same year-over-year cost structure just as T&E comes back and a variety of things come back. That should we just think of it as, probably down margins and high margins...

John Garrison

Analyst

Thanks, David. There's a lot in there. And we're right in the middle, obviously the planning cycle for 2022, and we don't want to give guidance for 2022, but again we believe the demand environment is going to be strong. And so it's not a demand issue at all. The ability to meet the demand will be a supply chain related and supply chain constraint related activity that, that we're going to have to manage too. So that if you will, will be the governor for 2022 and the team continues to focus on all aspects of cost to continue to drive margin improvement in all environments. And so the team is, I can assure you they are laser focused on how do we drive margin improvement in that business going forward. And I'm confident that we can do that even in a challenging market environment like we saw this year.

David Raso

Analyst

Great.

John Garrison

Analyst

Operator, next question, please.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Steve Volkmann from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Steve Volkmann

Analyst

Great. Good morning, everybody. Duffy, I'm tearing up a little bit here, so all the best and thanks for putting up with us over the years here. And just to end on a great note, I'm going to of pile on to David's question and see if I can ask you the different way. It feels like the major kind of swing factor for the first half in AWP are going to be, how much of the deliveries have 2021 versus 2022 pricing on one side and on the other side, sort of how much have you been able to lock in costs like you did early in 2021? So maybe to ask this is, sequentially, I would assume some portion of first quarter deliveries have 2022 pricing in them. So sequentially, is it reasonable to think that you'd have some modest amount of margin improvement, pick 1Q over 4Q in AWP?

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst

So thanks for that, Steve. And as John was explaining a few moments ago the supply chain is a very dynamic situation right at the moment. And so yes, that's why you feel our reluctance to be really out with an outlook guidance with respect to Q1 of 2022. We're really living quarter-to-quarter rate at the moment with the supply chain. John would tell you quite honestly that we're living week-to-week or day-to-day with suppliers. I do think that the, that when you look at Q4 to Q1, that we expect is the business, our AWP segment, which is where your focus is to remain solidly profitable, and that would drive – continue to seek to drive margin improvement. Is exactly where the revenue will be to be able to say whether it will be higher or lower in terms of the margin in Q1 of next year, I think it's premature to say that?

John Garrison

Analyst

And again, Steve, it's just a challenge right now, but the great news is the demand environments there. It will really be driven by supply chain availability and as we continue to navigate through that, there's an opportunity for good growth as we go into 2022.

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst

Right. And I would encourage not to be just focused on one quarter to be very honest with you. We're playing for the long game here at Terex and what we have said today, and we are absolutely committed to not just John and I, but the entire leadership team is being price cost neutral for the full year 2021 – 2022, excuse me, 2022. And I think that's what the important thing is. It's not about Q1 it's about the full year.

Steve Volkmann

Analyst

Right? Yes, totally understand, because as you know, we're fans of the long game, but you sort of have to figure out where the inflection is to get people comfortable with the longer game. So I understood around the supplier issues and we'll stay tuned there. Just a quick follow up though on SG&A. John, it felt like you were sort of saying something there about continued investments. Do we continue to target that below 12.5%? Is there some trend there that we should be aware of?

John Garrison

Analyst

Yes. No, I think that this company will continue to take advantage of the growth in the top line while maintaining discipline in SG&A. We're very proud of being meaningfully below 12.5% SG&A to sales this year and I'm fairly confident that that will be the case, maybe more than fairly, I am confident that will be the case in 2022 also.

Randy Wilson

Analyst

Great. Operator, next question please.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Ann Duignan from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Ann Duignan

Analyst

Hi, good morning everyone.

John Garrison

Analyst

Good morning, Ann.

Ann Duignan

Analyst

Switching gears a little bit, if we could just compare and contrast what's going on in material processing versus AWPs. You didn't have to take down your guidance for revenue. You're not talking about price cost in that segment. Is that primarily because of where that business is geographic located or is there something more structural going on with the components of supply for aerials versus material processing? If you could help just break that the two businesses down and whether it's geographic or structural that'll be helpful?

John Garrison

Analyst

Thanks, Ann. And our MP segment as we indicated in our prepared remarks really had another strong quarter and they are very close to being price cost neutral in 2021. And we anticipate them the remaining price cost neutral for 2022. That's really driven by a couple of factors. I think the biggest factor Ann, is that about 75% of our MP business. And again, MP is a collection of specialized equipment businesses goes through distribution channels. And so from the price cost endpoint with distribution we've been able to be more price dynamic if you will given the cost inputs that we've seen through the distribution channel. And that has clearly helped that business in 2021 and will continue to help that business in 2022. I would also say Ann, and one of the great things about the MP business is the diversification geographically. We've got a good geographical split in our MP segment, and we've got a good diversification of businesses within the MP segment. And we're seeing some real strength in some of those businesses are aggregates. Our business has been quite strong again, globally, our material handling business and one of the good things about high steel prices, frankly the only thing is scrap steel prices are up, which has really helped our Material Handling books business. So it is a diversified portfolio geographically by business while 75% going through the distribution channel and so that's a very different dynamic, especially through the distribution channel when it's as compared to our AWP segment.

Ann Duignan

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. And then just to pile on to backup the other questions, maybe the question Steve didn't get answered was, what percent of your backlog for AWPs has 2021 pricing?

John Garrison

Analyst

So we talked about the overall percentage of backlog that was in that is at the end of September for AWP. 70% of that backlog will be for delivery in 2022. But we have not broken out how much of that is with 20 – of that 70%, how much of it has 2021 pricing associated with it.

Randy Wilson

Analyst

Great. Thanks Ann. Operator next question.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Mig Dobre from Baird. Please go ahead.

Mig Dobre

Analyst

Good morning. Congrats, pretty sure you're going to miss these calls. So the way I would ask the same sort of questions that you've been asked as far as, I just look at the orders that you've taken in the third quarter in AWP, so $981 million. Clearly these are not for delivery in 2021. So is it fair to assume that they carry 2022 pricing?

John Garrison

Analyst

Yes. Mig, it's fair to assume that the majority of that backlog will carry 2022 pricing? It's just...

Mig Dobre

Analyst

I am kind of asking about the backlog, I'm asking about the orders that you've taken in just to be clear?

John Garrison

Analyst

Yes. Yes. That's a fair relationship. Yes, that's fair.

Mig Dobre

Analyst

Okay. And then my recollection is that last quarter you had $300 million of backlog – a backlog that you had in the second quarter, that was going it get converted and delivered into the first 0.2. It looks like that number went up maybe another $50 million. How should we think about the sort of cost pressures that have developed here few months for disproportion of delivery? Is it that we should be thinking that these deliveries are potentially approaching breakeven type margin as we are framing Q1 or is it maybe a little bit better than that. And I'll end there. Sorry for beating up this topic.

John Garrison

Analyst

Yes. The only thing I guess I say Mig is when you look at our AWP segment here in the third quarter or even the implied guidance for the fourth quarter. The business is solidly; the segment is set provably profitable and so is at the current level of cost inputs that especially like fourth quarter. If you look at the fourth quarter the business is solidly profitable and, so we're going to continue to be solidly profitable. I don't think we're prepared to take today to say whether that's solidly profitable means 3%, 5%, 9% segment margin. But what I can tell you is the segment is going to continue to be solidly profitable, and over the long run over the entire year, we're going to be price cost neutral. And so our leadership team is driving hard for improving the price in the business to offset the inflationary cost inputs that we're experiencing.

Randy Wilson

Analyst

Mig, thank you. Operator, next question.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Stanley Elliott from Stifel. Please go ahead.

Stanley Elliott

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for taking the question and Duffy congratulations and best wishes.

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst

Thanks Stanley.

Stanley Elliott

Analyst

Guys, when you're thinking about the MP business, you have done a nice job of driving that is still an incredibly highly fragmented industry. Are there larger chunkier deals out there where you could pursue or would it be more of a bolt-on sort of focus as you're looking to expand that business?

John Garrison

Analyst

Yes. As we look, if you look at the structure of our MP businesses and the businesses within MP, it still remains fragmented. And so as we look to grow the business and the good news is with our free cash flow generation, strengthening of the balance sheet we continue to invest organically in our MP business. In our Campsie facility, we did two small acquisitions in the quarter. We do believe that there are opportunities in the businesses within our MP segment that we can do some M&A activity. And bolt-on near adjacencies the funnel does have companies that are larger than the first two that we've done. And so as we look to grow the business, we believe we can grow inorganically. And our initial focus really is in and around our MP businesses, given the fragmentation in the businesses and given the opportunities we believe to grow that business especially around near adjacencies that we can utilize some of our existing distribution, manufacturing to get some real operational synergies in that business. And so the two acquisitions are small, the MDS acquisition is small, but we're already seeing the benefits of being able to put that product line through our global distribution channel. So we're excited about the growth opportunities that we have. Would we like for larger ones, so we can see some more meaningful growth? Absolutely. And we're looking, and our funnel is in terms of where we can invest, that's an ongoing process as we go forward. So you could look for us to do some more things in and around that MP space when it comes to M&A. And the good news is we've got the cash flow; we've got the balance sheet now to do that.

Stanley Elliott

Analyst

Well actually you are right; you’ve done a nice job of improving the return on invested capital. How do you balance kind of the M&A versus maybe buying your shares back? I'm just curious how you think about that high level?

John Garrison

Analyst

Right? So just from a macro level obviously would strengthen the balance sheet, paid down another 150 million a debt here in October. Continuing to – capital, we are investing organically in our business and we still believe we have the opportunity to invest via M&A activities. So we're deemphasizing share purchases over the last five, six years will significantly reduce the amount of float outstanding. So from a share repurchase standpoint, would deemphasize that looking more to the M&A, but let me be clear we're going to be very disciplined in the M&A environment that we're in right now and valuations are to some extent elevated. And so what we disciplined there, share repurchase we'll look to offset any incentive comp dilution with that and take advantage of market dislocations that occur through time. But again, the good news is that a strong balancing, strong cash flow, it gives us optionality now on capital allocation, and we re-instituted the dividend which for our investors is also important.

Randy Wilson

Analyst

Thanks, Stanley. Operator, next question.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Nicole DeBlase from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Nicole DeBlase

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, good morning and conga Duffy.

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst

Thank you, Nicole.

Nicole DeBlase

Analyst

Maybe just starting with free cash flow kind of piggybacking off the last question that was something I was really impressed with this quarter, especially since a number of your machinery peers have had weaker free cash flow as they've been holding excess inventory and response to the supply chain situation. So can you talk a little bit about the inventory position and to the extent what – to what extent are you guys holding a lot of WIP inventory and facility that's missing a couple components and waiting to go out to customers?

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Nicole for recognizing the free cash flow. As John mentioned in our remarks, right, we've been free cash flow positive now, six quarters in a row and we expect to be free cash flow positive in the fourth quarter. So our teams are really focused on disciplined management of networking capital. I probably, to be honest, would say that they would want more inventory available to them to be able to produce more products. But we have been managing the inventories, the accounts receivables, is quite honestly, our past dues have never been lower than they are. Over the last five years they have never been lower. So, we're pleased with the networking capital management that we've had. We've also looked to make sure we're monetizing opportunities on our balance sheet. And that included for example, the liquidation of our TFS portfolio and working with a third-party service provider there. So, we've also collected a substantial amount of tax receivables that were outstanding. So, team has just done a really good job of making sure that we're monetizing our balance sheet. And to the last question, what that does is it drives up our return on invested capital. And that's what we're really focused on.

John Garrison

Analyst

And then just on the inventory side, as Duffy said, given the demand environment, we frankly want to have more inventory. Our raw and whip inventory has increased and finished goods inventory has gone down. Nicole, just as you indicated, we call them the hospital units. And those are the units that we partially complete, we have to move off the line, wait for the components to arrive, bring them back on the line, complete and then shift to our customers. And so that's part of the adaptability and the flexibility now that our supply chain teams are having to exhibit given the dynamic environment that we're in, when it comes to the supply chain. So, as Duffy said, frankly, right now we would enjoy more raw, whip and finished goods. The mix right now is a little bit too high to raw and whip because of the hospital inventory and would really like to have to be finished goods that we could shift immediately to customers. We don't have a lot of finished goods waiting for customers. When we complete it, it's being shipped as soon as we can arrange the shipment and logistics.

Nicole DeBlase

Analyst

Got it. Okay. Thanks. That was really helpful. And just from a demand perspective I think we all know that the environment in North America for AWP is super, super strong. We can see the CapEx forecast that your customers have, but can you talk a little bit about what you're seeing from Europe and China?

John Garrison

Analyst

Yes. So, great question. And from a Europe standpoint, I would say it's very similar to the North American market. We're seeing really good order activity we're seeing backlog increase. So, the European market is very similar to the North American market in terms of what we're seeing. China, we had dramatic growth last year in China. So, China, I would say, is a little bit flat year-over-year. Again, adoption continues, but it had a pretty difficult cop compared to last year, because that was the one market last year that we did see substantial year-over-year growth. So, it's continuing in China, but we have seen the growth slow again against the pretty difficult comp in China. And then the Asia-Pacific region we saw good growth. We're seeing growth pick up there as well. So really Nicole, it's strong global growth, it's just not North American growth. And really that's across the portfolio. It's not just AWP, but it's also MP. And that's, what's encouraging is the demand environment it's quite strong and as we work through these supply chain issues, it's going to be a good environment. So, the challenge is it's dynamic right now as it pertains to the supply chain.

Randy Wilson

Analyst

Great. Operator, thank you. Next question

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from Steven Fisher from UBS. Please go ahead.

Steven Fisher

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning. So, you guys talked about the pricing contribution for the second half of 2022, the improvement there and the price cost equation. What do you assume for the cost side in the second half there? Mainly steel prices, I presume. Are you assuming that that they will be coming down or is just, they are sort of going to be staying at a steady level, based on some of your accounting treatment and you just get the price to cover it?

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst

Yes, so we're obviously cognizant at the moment that steel prices have started to decline some. I'd say that as we go through the fourth quarter here, we will finalize our plans. But at the moment we're assuming steel prices really in the hot roll coil in the $1800 range, which is really where it was during the course of Q3 and then coming down somewhat in the second half of 2022.

Steven Fisher

Analyst

Okay. That's very helpful. And I guess you've done a lot of work on the supply chain already over the last few years. I'm wondering to what extent you think you need to redouble your efforts there, expand the number of suppliers? And if you are do you think there is going to be any sort of quality issues coming out of the combination of new suppliers, rushing production to get units out? Are we going to need to be aware of higher warranty reserves you might be taking over the next few quarters?

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst

So as of now, we're not seeing that obviously we have, as part of our strategic sourcing initiative, we have been changing suppliers and actually throughout the course of this year, our supply chain teams have implemented supplier change over’s in new suppliers, which frankly has helped mitigate some of the significant increase in material costs that we're seeing. We're going to continue to do that. As I mentioned in my earlier comments, our engineering teams are working with suppliers around electronic components. We're adjusting production schedules, but in no way, we have the same quality standards. And so, it does not shift until it meets our quality standards. If you look at our Genie quality by design that's key to the brand. And so, there's no shortcuts on quality standards. Now, if there are quality issues, does it create further disruption to your operation? Yes, it does. With no inventory in a channel if we end up with a quality issue on the line from a supplier, that does impact us and we have to correct it, but in terms of shipping out the answer is no we have a rigorous quality process throughout the businesses, and it has to meet our quality standards before we shift to our customers.

Randy Wilson

Analyst

Thanks, Steve. Operator next question.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Tim Thein with Citi Group. Please go ahead.

Tim Thein

Analyst · Citi Group. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you. Good morning. Hey, all the best Duffy. It's nice of you to hand over the keys to Julie with the balance sheet like it is today versus one year inherited.

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst · Citi Group. Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Tim Thein

Analyst · Citi Group. Please go ahead.

Just first question is on the footprint moves that have been made in AWP in terms of the telehandler’s production moving to Monterrey and closure of Rock Hill, and I maybe leaving others out. Should we think about that as, I mean, are those savings meaningful as we think about kind of a run rate into 2022, or is that not the case? Just maybe help us on that in terms of potential savings?

John Garrison

Analyst · Citi Group. Please go ahead.

Yes. So, from a timing standpoint, really, we're in a temporary facility now, as I indicated the team has done a good job and built our first telehandler, we're actually in the construction phase of the plant. And so, from a phasing limited impact frankly in 2022 of the operations we’ll get some benefit, but it really begins to kick-in 2023 and 2024 as we ramp up full production, if you will, of the facility in Monterey and then continues as we go forward. So that's how I would think about it in terms of the flow of margin improvement. Not a lot in 2022 but begin to pick up at 2023 and definitely into 2024. You want to comment Duffy?

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst · Citi Group. Please go ahead.

Yes, I just think that one of the things that John has really John Garrison has really emphasized is the importance of our being globally cost competitive. And that's what that Mexico facility is going to provide for us is a very competitive global cost footprint. And so, as that facility ramps up 2023, 2024 and beyond, we do believe that it will be a contributor, a substantial contributor to the continued improvement in our AWP segment margins.

Tim Thein

Analyst · Citi Group. Please go ahead.

Got it. Okay. And sticking with AWP, I'm curious as you think about that, business in a given year maybe you have 1%, 2%, 3% pricing in a big year. And if you look at kind of the cumulative pricing actions from you and some of your peers, we may be approaching double digit in some cases, in some products. I'm curious have you encountered any – what has been the feedback as you think about customer reactions and not so much demand destruction per se, but maybe do you anticipate maybe some down scaling or maybe some of the features that you would have expected in the past, maybe the economics we're given the severity and the magnitude of these price increases? Maybe it's early days on that I'm just curious should we be thinking about a potential mix impact in 2022? Thank you.

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst · Citi Group. Please go ahead.

Thanks. On the broadest level we talk about purposeful innovation and purposeful innovation is really the find at reducing the lifecycle cost for our customers and reducing the cost for us to manufacture and service the equipment through that life cycle. So, as we look and bring new products to marketplace, we try to bring more value-add for the customers. There is no doubt it is difficult right now engaging in conversations with customers, but we're being very transparent with customers in terms of the actual cost increases we're seeing and the need for pricing actions to offset that. It's never easy. But in this environment, I think, most people understand that for the first time in many, many years, we are in an inflationary environment and we can't be the shock absorber between material input cost increases, and the end customer. We all have to pass it on through the channel. Our job is to get efficient, to be effective, to negotiate effectively with our suppliers, but doing all of those things in this environment still needs the input costs and we have to share those input costs with our customers. Difficult conversations, but we are being transparent with our customers.

Randy Wilson

Analyst · Citi Group. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Tim operator. Next question.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Jamie Cook from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Jamie Cook

Analyst

Hi, good morning. And congrats Duffy. So, Duffy, I'll ask you another question on access and you can really miss us retire. Just one, I understand what you said about the full year and being price cost [indiscernible] in the first half, second half. If volumes are up next year, do you think for the full year we can hold at least the 25% incremental margin? And then my second question is back to the mixed sort of a backlog can help us understand with in the backlog is it bigger booms, is it telehandlers, is it pretty broad-base? I'm just wondering if we have a positive, negative or neutral mix issue for next year. Thanks.

John Garrison

Analyst

Jamie I'll answer the first question, I’ll let Duffy answer – I’ll answer the second question, I’ll let Duffy answer the first question. In terms of a mix, both a product mix, customer mix right now we're not seeing any significant difference in product mix and/or customer. Duffy you want to handle the first part.

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst

Yes. So, I'm going to use a term that John uses quite often, and that is, is that the team is laser-focused on achieving 25% incremental margins next year. And while we're not providing an outlook or guidance today, I can tell you, our team is absolutely committed to it. And yes, I expect we would achieve those.

Jamie Cook

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. And congrats again. Thanks for all your help.

John Garrison

Analyst

Yes.

Randy Wilson

Analyst

Thanks Jamie. Operator, next question.

Operator

Operator

Okay, next question comes from Ross Gilardi from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Ross Gilardi

Analyst

Great, thanks for squeezing me in Duffy all the best to you on your next steps.

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst

Absolutely, thanks.

Ross Gilardi

Analyst

All my questions have been answered really at this point, but I just had a couple ones I'll try to squeeze in. So, in terms of MP adjacency that you might look to acquire, do they generally sell it a meaningful, multiple premiums to your own stock pricing? And what's the max you would take leverage to? And I just had a quick follow-up on spare parts.

John Garrison

Analyst

Some great questions there. So, as you look at some of the transactions within the MP space, I would say they're more normalized valuation levels in multiples, perhaps not as elevated as other areas at this point in time. And we also believe there's real opportunity these for synergies, so that you can actually capture some value through the synergies that we can create given the types of businesses we're in operationally distribution channels. And so, we do think there are good value opportunities where we can be disciplined about valuation while at the same time creating shareholder value, especially as we look around, return on the vested capital and from that perspective. So, that – and again, time will tell valuations in this world right now are elevated. But we're going to be disciplined.

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst

Yes. And I just would add on Ross that we'll end 2021 with our you net leverage at below one time. So, we have plenty of capacity to add to our MP portfolio and to drive inorganic growth for that segment. To the specific question surrounding what would we be willing to take leverage to, we talked about that targeting a net debt to EBITDA leverage three cycle of 2.5 times. I think you've seen John and I being somewhat on the more conservative side of that 2.5. So, and not to say that for the absolute right transaction that John wouldn't take the leverage above 2.5, but I think we're generally trying to be on the lower side or take the under on the 2.5.

Ross Gilardi

Analyst

All right. Thanks so much. Can I just squeeze one more last one?

John Garrison

Analyst

Yes, go ahead. Go ahead. Sure, go ahead.

Ross Gilardi

Analyst

What portion of revenue these days comes from spare parts? And I know the spare parts intensity and AWP isn't as large as it is in a lot of other businesses. But I would think spare parts demand right now would be booming with all the constraint on new equipment production. I'm wondering if that's actually the case and if it's meaningful?

John Garrison

Analyst

Yes. So, our parts and service teams, lifecycle solutions team has really done a nice job. And you are right; we have seen good growth in that business. You are also correct the intensity of repair parts around booms and scissors isn’t what it is in MP or on the telehandler side. But the team has done a good job growing of that business, good, strong margin support. And roughly we're in the 15% range plus or minus in any given quarter. We think there is opportunity to continue to grow that as we go forward. And again, the team has done a nice job in that space. We are investing in that area, especially around technology to improve our offering and our interface to customers. And again, we think there is opportunity to continue to grow the parts and service, and clearly it helps with our cyclicality. And so, we like the counter cyclical nature of the parts and service business.

Randy Wilson

Analyst

Thanks, Ross. Operator, last question please.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from Jerry Revich with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

John Garrison

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Do we still have you, Jerry?

Randy Wilson

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Operator?

John Garrison

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Let the record show we tried to get Jerry in.

Jerry Revich

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Can you hear me now?

John Garrison

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Yes.

Randy Wilson

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Jerry, there you go.

Jerry Revich

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

All right. Thanks. Duffy congratulations. And we'll miss working with you. I just want to ask, you folks obviously made the smart move to lock in the cost structure early, heading into 2021. How does that impact the way you think about structurally setting up the business? Will you be in a position to lock in cost structures early on a sustained basis and any other differences in terms of how you're managing the supply chain going forward?

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

So, we utilize a steel hedging program in order to provide us with certainty with respect to our cost structure. And the reason for it, or objective with it when we are having discussions with customers about price for the following year, we have greater insight into what our cost structure would be. We did enter into some steel hedges in 2020 for 2022 much less volume than we had for 2021. And we've done some limited amount of steel hedging here in 2021. But quite honestly, given the elevated level of the forward contracts, we have not done as much of it as we did in the prior or year. And we are very focused on being and committed to being price cost neutral for 2022. So, to the extent that – and I mentioned earlier, the planning levels with respect to steel prices. And we will be price cost neutral by making sure that at those elevated steel levels and other component cost increases that we’re able to pass those on to our customers.

Jerry Revich

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Okay, great. And lastly, with your telematics, you have great insights on where utilization levels are. Can you talk about in North America and Europe in the third quarter was utilization for your customers all the way back through prior cycle highs, or is there room for utilization to add higher versus very good third quarter historically?

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Yes, I would, say utilization improved time new improved for the customers. It varies by country in terms of where if it was back to 2019 levels. But broad-based comment utilization across our portfolio of businesses continue to improve as we went through the quarter.

Randy Wilson

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Thanks Jerry. Operator?

John Duffy Sheehan

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

We'll talk to you soon, Jerry. So, thanks everyone for the questions. And now I'd like to turn it back to John Garrison for his closing remarks.

John Garrison

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Thank you everyone for your time this morning, we went over a little bit in your questions. Let me just conclude with a few takeaways. We are focused on execution, as I think, you heard today. Team members around the world are focused on the right things, safety, health, customers, and improved productivity. Our end markets are strong. Our supply chain teams are working tirelessly to mitigate the supply chain headwinds that we are facing. We are driving positive free cash flow and the team continues to invest in innovative products. We are focused on growth. And again, thank you for your interest and time with Terex. Operator, please disconnect the call.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s conference call. You may now disconnect.