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Tecogen Inc. (TGEN)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 10, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Tecogen Third Quarter 2015 Financial Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] For your information, this conference is being recorded. As a reminder, a recording of this conference call will be available for playback approximately 1 hour after end of the call and will remain available until Tuesday, November 17, 2015. Individuals may access the recording by dialing (877) 344-7529 from inside the U.S.; (855) 669-9658 from Canada; or (412) 317-0088 from outside the U.S. Enter the replay conference number 10070871, followed by the # sign. Now I would like to introduce Ariel Babcock, Tecogen Director of Investor Relations.

Ariel Babcock

Analyst

Thank you. Good day and thank you all for joining us on our third quarter earnings call. I am Ariel Babcock, Tecogen's Director of Investor Relations. On the call with me today are John Hatsopoulos and Benjamin Locke, our co-CEOs. Also joining us today are David Garrison, Tecogen's Chief Financial Officer; and Robert Panora, our President and Chief of Operations. During the call, we will be referencing slides posted on the Investor Relations section of our website at tecogen.com. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that this presentation includes forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities and Exchange Act of 1933, and Section 21E of the Securities and Exchange Act of 1934. Such statements include declarations regarding the intent, belief or current expectations of the company and its management. Prospective investors are cautioned that any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve a number of risks and uncertainties that can materially and adversely affect the actual results as identified from time to time in the company's SEC filings. Forward-looking statements provided herein are as of the specified date and thereby not hereby reaffirmed or updated at anytime. I will now turn it over to John Hatsopoulos for some opening remarks. John?

John Hatsopoulos

Analyst

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much for listening to our, probably the most important quarterly report that we've had since the beginning of Tecogen. And even though I'm not a religious person, I will tell you that next time I'm in a Greek Orthodox Church, which by the way is not very often, I will light a candle thanking Volkswagen for bringing to attention the emissions problems that exist in the world, which everybody kept ignoring. As you know, and as Bob will explain to you, we've had a patented, and insured by Lloyd's of London, technology for stationary engines, and we created a committee that will study any additional applications that this technology could have for whatever other events take place. We had the same event take place, and I don't want to repeat myself, but we had the same event in 1972 with Thermo Electron when the Clean Air Act was passed. And we got, at that time, $10 million for one of our technologies by Ford Motor, which $10 million then, it's probably more than $50 million today. And that created the big push for Thermo Electron, which is now through its 3 public companies, worth about $30 billion. With that, I would like to ask Ben Locke, who's really running the operations of Tecogen, along with obviously, Bob and the whole team. Ben?

Benjamin Locke

Analyst

Thanks, John. I'd like to start off our call by reminding those who may be new to our company with Tecogen's core business model, as shown on Slide 4: Heat, power and cooling that is cheaper, cleaner and more reliable. Our proprietary technology for improving efficiency, emissions and grid resiliency is truly disruptive to the traditional methods of heating, cooling and powering buildings and infrastructure. As I'll describe in this discussion, the combination of our unique technology, overall trends in energy supply and demand and the increasing global emphasis on environmentally clean technology, all favor Tecogen's continued growth. Turning to Slide 5, I'll review the key financial metrics for our company: revenues, margins and sales backlog. The third quarter of 2015 revenues were $4.68 million compared to $4.18 million in Q3 of 2014, an increase of 12%. This brings our year-to-date revenues to $17.16 million versus $12.93 million in 2014, a 33% year-over-year increase. The third quarter has historically been lower in revenues than the rest of the year due to typical summertime slowdown of customer activity as well as reduced productivity of both engineering projects and construction schedules, mainly in our key markets such as New York. With that said, it was still the highest third quarter revenues for the company, and we are pleased that we continue to improve quarter-to-quarter over 2014. Turning to margins. We improved our gross margins significantly year-over-year, with margins increasing to 35.7% in the third quarter compared to 26.1% in 2014, an over 900-basis-point improvement. This is consistent with our stated goal to maintain stable margins of around 35%. Improvement in gross margins was driven by a combination of upgraded manufacturing processes, better vendor relationships and overall productivity increases at our facility. Lastly, our product backlog as of Friday, last Friday, is $11…

Robert Panora

Analyst

Thank you, Ben, and good morning, everyone. Let's begin with an update of several ongoing emissions-related items that I talked about previously. As we reported about a year ago, the company sold an emissions kit to the Municipal Water District in Southern California that purchased our first system in 2013. In this case, the kit was to be utilized on a much larger engine and fueled, not by natural gas, but by a gas manufactured on site as part of their wastewater treatment process. So let me give you some of the back story. The production of biofuel gas in wastewater treatment plants is a byproduct of the process. However, the gas needs to be thoughtfully handled. Venting would be inappropriate as it is harmful to the environment. The traditional practice has been to simply flare the gas, but this wastes its potential as a renewable energy source. Power generation with the biofuel, which is preferable and also a common practice in recent years, is becoming problematic in Southern California. Biofueled engines beginning in 2017 will be subject to regulations equivalent to those applying to natural gas sources. Hence, the interest in the Ultera system for this customer. The wastewater plant produces the biofuel in abundance, of course, and its utilization for power generation, with compliant emissions is a major goal of the agency. As of a few weeks ago, the engine is up and running. It's a 50-liter Caterpillar bottle altered to operate with a biofuel and powering a large blower that's used in the after-treatment process. The initial emissions levels are as expected and just terrific, on par with our natural gas results, and of course, easily compliant with the 2017 regulation that's coming up. Going forward, this system will be closely monitored as we have done in…

David Garrison

Analyst

Starting with the chart -- thanks, Bob. And starting with the chart in the upper left corner. Total revenue for the most recent trailing 4-quarter period is $23.5 million, the highest trailing 4-quarter level reported to date. The upper right chart illustrates the company meeting our goal of improving to and delivering a consolidated gross margin of greater than 35%. In the lower left chart, management has kept the operational expenses under control with a trend downward. And finally, in the lower right, the backlog chart plots our weekly backlog currently at $11 million as of Friday, November 6. So let's review some highlights from the year-over-year financial results. Revenues increased with strong product revenue related to an increase in cogen unit shipments. While turnkey revenues were lower, as projects took longer than expected, service contract revenue continued its steady growth. Cost of sales benefited from reaching scale as manufacturing foot volume continues to grow. Cost of services improved year-over-year as the turnkey segment improves with experience. Margins for both products and services improved from cost improvement initiatives and a focus on higher value-added work. The trailing 4-quarter results show a similar pattern of growth and improvement across the operations. Management focuses on the 3 revenue streams. It's nearly 60% of growth increased product revenues confirm the traction in the market from our chillers, cogen modules and heat pumps. Our turnkey installations and reoccurring revenue from long-term maintenance contract creates a solid funding base for our operations. The growth in these results has not impacted the backlog as we're able to add contracts and sales as fast as they are completed. Management continues to meet its book-to-bill ratio target of 1:1.5 and a backlog goal greater than $10 million. Gross margins and expense reduction programs continue as management uses its cash resources in a thoughtful manner. Now I turn the call over to Ben for closing remarks.

Benjamin Locke

Analyst

Thanks, Dave. So turning to Slide 12, I'd like to take a few minutes to highlight important trends that we see for Tecogen going forward. We expect demand for our CHP systems to remain strong. Fundamental economics of CHP, such as high electric rates, low gas rates and increasing concern about grid resiliency, continue to trend in our favor. We're confident the additions to our sales team will ultimately help us grow our revenue in existing as well as new markets and geographies. The Ilios market continues to expand both geographically and in different market segments. We expect additional sales of the water source Ilios unit system in facilities that consistently have the need for simultaneous heating and cooling, such as manufacturing and R&D-type facilities. And as Bob described, adapting the Ultera emissions technology to gasoline vehicles represents an exciting and game-changing new market for Tecogen. The prospect of vehicle fleets and passenger vehicles operating with a standard engine technology but realizing fuel cell-like emissions is tremendously compelling from a policy and market standpoint. Our plan is to seize on this opportunity to prove Tecogen's technology is the best way to meet these stringent standards. Tecogen continues to support any and all state or national policy addressing air quality and pollution, since ultimately, it will enhance the business opportunity for our Ultera emission system. And lastly, we will continue growing our patent and intellectual property base around our emissions technology. In addition to the patent applications filed this year around emission controls, new patents and trademark applications will be filed to protect the company's competitive position in this very promising market. In closing, we have very bright prospects for growing Tecogen, and we look forward to sharing developments with you as they occur. With that, I'd like to turn it over to the operator for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Alex Blanton of Clear Harbor Asset Management.

Alexander Blanton

Analyst

The first question is really about an order that you got in July, July 16, for a school district on Long Island. And I estimate that, that order, when it's completed, which should be sometime in the next 18 months I guess, would be total revenue of $6 million to $7 million, because there are 14 units to be installed in 6 different schools. But how much of that is in the current backlog of $11 million? I know it's an extended delivery, and I know you have to do engineering before you get a final equipment order and so on, so those things enter in. You may not have much in the backlog because you haven't finished all of the engineering for those 6 schools. Could you update us on that?

Benjamin Locke

Analyst

Sure, Alex. No problem. That project is still in the engineering phase. It is not in the backlog. We try to have a very rigid measure of backlog. It's something where a PO is imminent or in hand, of course. And so because that's still in the engineering stage, it's not in the backlog. We hope to -- that engineering phase is going to last a little bit longer, there's going to be discussions with an ESCO that's involved in that before it leads to an order, at which case, you would probably see an announcement and then it would go into our backlog.

Alexander Blanton

Analyst

All right. So if we want to adjust our thinking on the backlog and we're concerned that it isn't growing, that $11 million isn't much bigger than it was last quarter, it doesn't include this large order. So if we do an adjusted backlog, it would be a sizable increase, that's the point. The other thing is, there is a concern, and I've heard it expressed, that if you start getting big increases in orders, that you won't have the capacity you need, and so you'll have to expand capacity, and spend a lot of money, which you don't really have right now to do that, and then possibly have to issue stock to finance expansion. Could you comment on your current capacity. I mean, it strikes me that your plant there is basically an assembly operation, there's not a lot of capital investment involved, I didn't see any big machines there when I was there. So really, you only need floor space to assemble these products. Can you comment on your capacity right now?

Benjamin Locke

Analyst

Sure, absolutely, I'm happy to. So you've been to our building.

Alexander Blanton

Analyst

Yes.

Benjamin Locke

Analyst

And we have our manufacturing area, as you probably saw. We have offices in the back of the building and offices in the front of the building. The offices in the back are -- in the front, ultimately are going to be our real office space and the offices in the back are our expansion capacity potential. This building was really meant to be almost entirely used for manufacturing. All of the concrete and all the infrastructure on it is ready to be expanded on, whenever we need to. I think we can -- you're absolutely right, any expansion does not require a lot of capital expenditure, it's really just bodies, bringing more bodies on and creating more space. We have a very good labor base here where we are in this area. We have lots of space, that if we need to, we can start knocking down walls. Even when we reach capacity after knocking down walls, we can start adding shifts. I estimate we can double our capacity with space and then quadruple our capacity if we decided to add shifts. So I don't think it's going to be a -- it's certainly, not in the next few years, going to be a bottleneck for us.

Alexander Blanton

Analyst

Okay, so you're running 1 shift right now?

Benjamin Locke

Analyst

That's right. And we flex with different times and overtime and things like that. And so that we are -- depending on how the quarter is, ramping up and ramping down.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jim McIlree of Chardan Capital.

James McIlree

Analyst

Can you help me understand how big the current sales force is and distribution as well and how large you want to make it after you've -- well, what are your near-term and midterm goals for the sales force?

Benjamin Locke

Analyst

Sure. I can talk a little bit about that. And our sales force, as I've described before, it's kind of divided into 3 components. There's direct employees of Tecogen, the salesman, so employees of Tecogen, first tier. The second tier are manufacturer's representatives; for example, the chiller industry, that's the way business is done, with reps, essentially. And then third, we have these things we call sales agents, which are engineering companies or small ESCOs, where if they find a project, we have a relationship with them, that they'll get compensated should the project close. So I'll address the first bit first, the direct employees. So we have, and I should say, with our direct employees, we have dedicated salesmen, but we also have technical people that are in the field that do installations, that actually end up being a very important part of the sales process, these technical people. So including the technical people that are in fact, doing sales, we have 2 on the West Coast as well as a sales agent on the West Coast as well as a few manufacturer's reps in the California area. On the East Coast, we have 3 full-time salesmen. As I mentioned in the call, we're bringing on 2 more, we're kind of ramping them in right now. And then we also have 2 or so more engineering-type salespeople that are going around and meeting with the customer. And even though they're talking technical, they're really selling the customer. As you can imagine, the sales process relies on that sometimes. And then also on the East Coast, we have several manufacturer's representatives and then over a dozen or so sales agent. So as I mentioned, we just signed a new sales agent in the Northeast region, just this quarter. So that's how we break it out, it's a pretty good mix. Obviously, we want to have our direct salesmen in the biggest markets for us, New York and California. And some of the okay markets, we have reps and/or agents and then even some of the middling markets, we have reps in place.

John Hatsopoulos

Analyst

Before we move into the next question, there was something I wanted to add and I think it was a question by Alex, I could've been wrong, about if we have enough capital. I should tell you that number one, I have given them personally, even though they don't need it and they haven't touched it, a $2 million line of credit. But on top of it, we get calls on almost every other day from people that want to buy a large chunk or big order of Tecogen. But anyway, we have turned it down, and the reason we turned it down is that I personally believe, and that's my personal opinion, that the stock is so undervalued at this point, considering the technology, not only Combined Heat and Power, but of emissions, that I'd rather give them the money, loan them the money myself than sell equity at these current prices. And again, I think it was Alex that asked that question, but whoever asked it, I apologize, I didn't answer at that point.

Benjamin Locke

Analyst

So Jim, did you have any more add-on to your question?

James McIlree

Analyst

Yes, if you can just say -- in the near -- in the -- let's say over the next 12 to 18 months, what your plans are for the sales expansion? You've talked about sales expansion a few times and I just wanted to get a feel for, again, what your midterm goals are.

Benjamin Locke

Analyst

I could see us adding maybe another 1 or 2 folks as a direct report in the near term. I can definitely see us adding more agents, more sales agents, sales agents, there's no cost for us, the only -- when they succeed on a project, that's when they get compensated, so sales agents are a very good way to go. And then the rep network, it's mostly stable, sometimes a rep will come and go. Certainly, Ilios, again, as kind of -- really an HVAC piece of equipment, which relies on the rep industry, we'll be adding, you'll be seeing reps being added in different geographies, just like we mentioned Chicago and Georgia. This time around, I wouldn't be surprised if you saw more reps being appointed in different geographies for Ilios. And then as I mentioned in previous calls, new geographies are real opportunities -- Ilios is leading our way in new geographies, is very important, because when you have a population of Ilios units there, which are very robust, they require less service and maintenance, then you can start slowly building a maintenance presence. And then you get 1 maintenance person, and then 2 people, and then you start up a maintenance depot in that geography, and then that leads to more Tecogen people, and then you can start considering expanding that geography to more complex project -- products like the chiller and the cogen. You would never want to go to a new -- brand new geography and start putting cogen, you want to build up that service presence first and I think that's playing out most prominently right now in Hawaii, where you continue to see more Ilios orders there and eventually that's going to lead to a service presence, and eventually the chillers, eventually the cogen. And you're also seeing it in Mexico, where not on this call, but on previously calls, I've mentioned about our chiller activity there. We're getting a growing base of chillers there, eventually that's going to lead to a service presence, eventually that's going to lead to us being able to introduce cogen there.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Jay Harris of Axiom Capital.

Jay Harris

Analyst

I'd like to get into a little more information on production capabilities, on a single shift basis, what is your capacity, revenue capacity?

Benjamin Locke

Analyst

That's tough to say and not because I can't answer the question. We have so many products, and depending on the product mix, we've got our -- certainly our 2 or really 3 CHP systems. The 2 size chillers, the different Ilios heat pumps. And in fact, and I think we mentioned this before, too, each product sometimes has its own set of, what we're calling engineered accessories, these are things that we install here in the factory on a unit instead of installing it, for example, in a basement of a hotel in New York City. So you can imagine a module, if you will, consisting of pumps and heat exchangers and valves, et cetera, that we're assembling here and billing those, and the margins I should say are very good on those, and it certainly makes more economical sense to build them here in Waltham than to build them, again, in New York City or something. So the product mix is -- it really changes every quarter. It's tough to exactly identify what 1 shift will make.

Jay Harris

Analyst

What do you think you could do with the existing employment roll?

Benjamin Locke

Analyst

I'm not sure if I followed your question, employment roll?

Jay Harris

Analyst

Well you have so many people in the plant. If you didn't add anybody, where do you think you would max out your quarterly revenues?

Benjamin Locke

Analyst

That's really tough to say. I'm not sure how much detail we want to go into our production efficiencies.

Jay Harris

Analyst

I'm not asking for an answer to the nearest dollar, give me a range.

Benjamin Locke

Analyst

I just don't think I can do that. Any range I give you wouldn't be accurate, and I don't want to give any inaccurate information, so...

Jay Harris

Analyst

Well, I'm not an accountant. Give me a range to the nearest $0.5 million.

Benjamin Locke

Analyst

Jay, maybe we should have this conversation offline, because I don't certainly have the information to even give you a range, and it's not something that we -- a metric that we actively track.

Jay Harris

Analyst

I wonder if anybody on the board has ever asked the question.

Operator

Operator

There are no more questions. So I would like to thank everyone for participating in our conference call today. This concludes today's events. Thank you for attending. Have a great day. You may now disconnect your lines.