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Thermon Group Holdings, Inc. (THR)

Q2 2020 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 8, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to Thermon Group Holdings Incorporated Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2020 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. Please note, this conference is being recorded. I would now turn the conference over to your host, Kevin Fox, Vice President, Corporate Development. Mr. Fox, you may begin.

Kevin Fox

Management

Thank you, Omer. Good morning and thank you for joining today's conference call. We issued an earnings press release this morning which has been filed with the SEC on Form 8-K and is also available on the Investor Relations section of our website at ir.thermon.com. A replay of today's call will also be available via webcast after the conclusion of the call. This broadcast is the property of Thermon and any redistribution, retransmission or rebroadcast in any form without the expressed written consent of the company is prohibited. During the call, we will also discuss some items that do not conform to Generally Accepted Accounting Principles. We have reconciled those items to the most comparable gap measures in the tables at the end of the earnings press release. These non-GAAP measures should be considered in addition to and not as a substitute for measures of financial performance reported in accordance with GAAP. Before I turn this call over to Bruce, I'd like to remind you that during this call we may make certain forward-looking statements regarding our company and business that are not historical facts because forward-looking statements relate to the future, they are subject to inherent uncertainties, risks and changes in circumstances that are difficult to predict. Please refer to our annual report and most recent quarterly report filed with the SEC for more information regarding our forward-looking statements including the risks and uncertainties that could impact our future results. Our actual results may differ materially from those contemplated by these forward-looking statements. We caution you therefore against relying on any of these forward-looking statements. They are neither statements of historical facts nor guarantees or assurances of future performance. Any forward-looking statement made by us during this call speak only as of the time at which it is made. Factors or events that could cause our actual results to differ may emerge from time to time, and it is not possible for us to predict all of them. We undertake no obligation to publicly update any forward-looking statement whether as a result of new information, future developments or otherwise except as may be required by law. And now, it's my pleasure to introduce Bruce Thames, our President and Chief Executive Officer for his opening remarks.

Bruce Thames

Management

Thank you, Kevin. Good morning and thank you for joining our conference call, and for your continued interest in Thermon. Joining me today on the conference call today is Jay Peterson, our CFO, who will follow me and present the financial details of our fiscal year 2020 second quarter. I'm going to begin by talking about the trends we're seeing with our customers and in the end markets where we choose to compete. We're seeing a weakening overall macro environment as supported by the most recent IMF growth forecasts that has resulted in a more cautious approach to capital deployment by many of our customers. While questions persist regarding a number of factors impacting the global economy, we believe that execution of our strategy has positioned Thermon well to continue to grow in spite of the economic uncertainty. As a reminder, the heat tracing market of our legacy business was roughly $1.5 billion, when we expanded into process heating capabilities two years ago with the purchase of CCI Thermal Technologies, now Thermon Heating Systems. We now believe our total addressable market is at least twice as large. It's our intent to continue to grow that addressable market and our share via geographic growth, expansion into new verticals as well as potential future acquisitions. From a capital investment standpoint, we see CapEx estimates for the next 12 months growing in the Middle East, Africa and India, moderate to neutral spending growth in North America and Asia and Europe continuing to be a very challenging and competitive economic environment. Despite the varying levels of growth across the world, Thermon delivered top line growth for the eighth consecutive quarter over the comp period with three of the four geographic segments growing revenue in Q2 at least 15% over the prior year quarter. Even…

Jay Peterson

Management

Thank you, Bruce. Good morning. I will start by discussing our Q2 results and then finish with guidance and a discussion on margin enhancements for fiscal year 2020. First off, revenue and orders. Our revenue this past quarter totaled $102.9 million and that's an increase of 14% over the prior year's quarter. The legacy revenue mix between MRO/UE and Greenfield was 53% and 47% respectively with the Greenfield mix significantly higher than in the past. FX decreased total revenue by approximately 1.5%, and in constant currency, our revenue grew by 16%. And this last quarter marks the eighth consecutive quarter that our business revenues have grown. Orders for the quarter totaled $92.6 million versus $95.8 million in the prior quarter or a decline of 2%. Our backlog of orders ended September at a $102.3 million versus $149.6 million as of September of fiscal year 2019, and that is a decrease of 32%. Margins in our backlog improved by 200 basis points over the last 90 days and 400 basis points over the last three quarters, and our book-to-bill for the quarter was 0.9. Moving on to gross margins, margins were 44% of revenue, and we're at the highest level in the last three fiscal quarters. Although gross margins declined by 70 basis points versus the comp period, it is noteworthy that we were able to maintain 44% margins in spite of a substantial increase in the mix of Greenfield project revenues and consecutive quarter margins improved by 360 basis points, gained by 600 basis points over the last two quarters. And in the quarter, gross profit grew by $5 million or 12% versus the comp period. While we have experienced cost increases attributable to the recent tariffs, we have largely been able to pass these increases along to our customers…

Operator

Operator

At this time, we'll be conducting a question-and-answer session. Our first question is from Brian Drab, William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Brian Drab

Analyst

The large projects in Canada, I guess, congratulations, I guess you only said North America, but can we say whether that's Canada LNG?

Bruce Thames

Management

Right now, we have a non-disclosure agreement and we're not at liberty to discuss that further.

Brian Drab

Analyst

Okay.

Bruce Thames

Management

It is a very large North American project that will yield revenues for the next two to three years though. We're very pleased to...

Brian Drab

Analyst

Is there any chance that you can talk about what type of gross margin you'd expect on that project overall, and maybe just directionally, like would it be better than 45% or below 45%?

Bruce Thames

Management

It would be similar to our margin profiles for our Greenfield mix of projects.

Brian Drab

Analyst

Okay. Okay. So, I guess that's clearly below 45s45 on that business, that were below your average, if it's Greenfield...

Bruce Thames

Management

It is, it would be an average Greenfield project margins.

Brian Drab

Analyst

Got it. Okay.

Bruce Thames

Management

Obviously, the opportunity there is on the 20-year or 30-year annuity that would follow.

Brian Drab

Analyst

Right. And then, Bruce, is there any update on any of the other large projects that you're bidding on in the pipeline and I know there is another big project out, the Arctic LNG projects out there, there are some other big projects. And any update on at least qualitatively even your optimism about winning some of these larger projects?

Bruce Thames

Management

What I will say is that the overall environment for LNG midstream is really promising and we see a number of these large projects moving forward beyond just FID, but through design and awards. So, we're very pleased with the current win we have and we also see additional opportunities in our quotes in our pipeline.

Brian Drab

Analyst

And then you beat the Street expectations for the second quarter and maintained guidance, so that implies one of two things either the Street was just too low for the second quarter or year, I guess maybe more likely implying a slower second half to the year.

Bruce Thames

Management

Yes. I think the...

Brian Drab

Analyst

Is that right?

Bruce Thames

Management

Yes. Slower second half, we had a really strong H2 last year that was a heavy mix of Greenfield. And we just looking at our current backlog and the makeup of our backlog, we don't see a strong Greenfield in the second half. I think conversely we do see some significant opportunity for gross margin expansion in H2 relative to the prior year.

Brian Drab

Analyst

And then in between just kind of splitting up the quarters, the third quarter and the fourth quarter, I think you said on the call that you expect growth year-over-year in the third quarter. But I guess that would that mean obviously then a decline in the fourth quarter is that the takeaway?

Bruce Thames

Management

No. My comment was really that Q3sQ3 would be a difficult comp and that we were in fact a difficult comp in the second half and that we were maintaining our 2% to 4% revenue growth projections for the year, and we really don't give quarterly guidance just due to the volatility of projects moving in or out of a quarter.

Brian Drab

Analyst

Okay. I'm just looking at the - if the revenue was flat for the next two quarters year-over-year that gets you to about the high end of the guidance. But should it imply that you have to either we've got relatively conservative guidance or we should be modeling down I guess year-over-year at the midpoint. I just want to give you an opportunity to tell me, I'm doing the math wrong or is that's kind of...

Bruce Thames

Management

That's the expectation we would see flat to slightly down revenues in H2 relative to the prior year.

Brian Drab

Analyst

And then just one last one. Can you elaborate on the THS win in terms of maybe timing size, geography end market?

Bruce Thames

Management

Yes, it was Southeast Asia which I noted it's in a refinery.

Brian Drab

Analyst

Yes.

Bruce Thames

Management

And it's a real nice process heating package that we've been awarded. We should see that land generate revenue in late Q4 or Q1 of fiscal 2021.

Brian Drab

Analyst

Okay. All right thanks very much.

Bruce Thames

Management

I think that the thing we're excited about there is it's illustrative of the opportunities we have to globalize this business. That's what's exciting about it.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Jon Braatz, Kansas City Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Jon Braatz

Analyst

Bruce, you mentioned that you're seeing some headwinds in the some of your end markets activity slowing a little bit, and I don't know if you can quantify these things. But as you look forward, if these headwinds persist, how much of a headwind is that for Thermon. And I assume it's mostly in the Greenfield area as opposed to the MRO operations?

Bruce Thames

Management

Yes. Jon, that's correct. Where we see more some challenges going forward are really more and really a more cautious approach to capital deployment in with some of our customers and a couple of the areas I noted particularly upstream which has been weak, so we and we don't benefit from upstream as much like in the shale plays as maybe some other businesses, so that that's been less impactful areas that we do best upstream have been Canada which has not recovered since the downturn. So that really hasn't had a huge impact on us because it hasn't worsened. And then, the other area where we do quite a bit of business upstream has been in Russia. The other area I noted was really in refining and just the slow growth in demand for transportation fuels has certainly not required the level of capital investment. However, there is we have benefited from are really investments in projects to reduce the sulfur, for it to produce lower sulfur. And so those have really created additional opportunities in spite of the fact that there hasn't - the demand growth has been fairly weak in that sector.

Jon Braatz

Analyst

Are you seeing are you seeing any - is there any reason to believe that these trends could worsen or is it too early to tell?

Bruce Thames

Management

I would say at this time it's too early to tell. We're just you know - we're just watching it. We are seeing mixed signals because we see some really positive signs in other areas of our end markets.

Operator

Operator

This concludes the question answer session. Now, I'll now turn the floor back over to Bruce Thames for closing remarks.

Bruce Thames

Management

All right, thank you. And thank you all for joining on the call today. We do appreciate your interest in Thermon. Enjoy the rest of your day.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.