Ryan Brinkman
Analyst · J.P. Morgan.
And the second question there, also on the BPS is, that product, the cell connecting was once thought to maybe pick up the slack left by an earlier product, which was the thermal electric temperature regulation, not of the big batteries, of course, we've got air cooling, but of these smaller batteries that might be applicable for 48 volt or micro hybrid type vehicles, and that was with some European OEMs or maybe some luxury OEMs. It's something that was rolling off. And that was understood to be – I think because 48 volt didn't really pan out like the industry once thought, but it just seems like in the very recent past here or just kind of in the fourth quarter, there's been some more scuttlebutt about it, including with the cyber truck having officially launched and Elon Musk saying on X that he was mailing to Jim Farley and Mary Barra a packet with all the technical details, explain why they need to double down as well, which will decrease the cost for everybody. And Jim Farley responded positively on Twitter to that, saying that maybe they need to push again. Just curious if there's any potential for that market to come back to life or is there some other competitive dynamic going on there to where maybe the thermoelectric regulation isn't as attractive as was thought or is it just the market smaller? What are your thoughts for 48 volt is going, what you might potentially be able to provide that?
Phil Eyler: I'm not optimistic on the thermal electric BPS product for 48 volt. And the primary reason is the architecture for 48 volt systems is a little different when you look at what you mentioned on EVs, especially. The 48 volt that in the past has been used has been really used as a drivetrain boost. And to do that, they require a lot of utilization of those batteries, creating a lot of heat, and that's where our cooling product really became pretty important. We do see some opportunities on 48 volt with air cooling, and we are winning some business and we called that out in the last couple of quarters with different customers. Hyundai Kia is an example. We're going to be cooling all of their 48 volt batteries using our air cooling devices. So, there's some of that built into our outlook. Certainly, the 48 volt thermal electric BPS with Mercedes will gradually decline over time. It's not going to be a digital decline, but it will steadily decline. So if you net all that out, and we do have some built-in wins with our MSP based battery heating as well, using the same technology as the CCB, but netting all that out, we're seeing a net decline in revenue of BPS through 2026.