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Teekay Corporation (TK)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 18, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to Teekay Corporation’s Fourth Quarter and Fiscal 2015 Earnings Results Conference Call. During the call, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards, you will be invited to participate in a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Now, for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Peter Evensen, Teekay’s President and Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, sir.

Ryan Hamilton

Analyst

Before Mr. Evensen begins, I’d like to direct all participants to our website at www.teekay.com, where you will find a copy of the fourth quarter 2015 earnings and business outlook presentation. Mr. Evensen, will review this presentation during today’s conference call. Please allow me to remind you that our discussion today contains forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from results projected by those forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to materially differ from those in the forward-looking statements is contained in the fourth quarter and annual 2015 earnings release, and the fourth quarter 2015 earnings and business outlook presentation available on our website. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Evensen to begin.

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Thank you, Ryan. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for Teekay Corporation’s fourth quarter and fiscal year 2015 earnings and business outlook conference call. I’m joined this morning for our Q&A session by our CFO, Vince Lok; Chief Strategy Officer, Kenneth Hvid; and our Group Controller, Brian Fortier. During our call today, we will be taking you through the earnings and business outlook presentation, which can be found on our website. Turning to Slide 3 of the presentation, I’ll briefly review some recent highlights for Teekay Corporation. During the fourth quarter, we generated consolidated cash flow from vessel operations or CFVO at $401.4 million, an increase of 30% over the same period of the prior year. During 2015, we generated consolidated cash flow of $1.4 billion, an increase of 35% from 2014. For the quarter and fiscal year ended December 31, 2015, Teekay Corporation reported adjusted net income attributable to shareholders of $29.8 million or $0.41 per share, and $68.1 million or $0.94 per share respectively. During 2015, we recorded the highest fiscal year adjusted net income since 2008. The strong cash flow growth and earnings were driven mainly by the delivery and acquisition of various growth projects during 2015, including our largest FPSO project to date, the Knarr FPSO, tanker fleet growth and the highest spot tanker rates in seven years. The decision in December to temporarily reduce Teekay Corporation’s dividend to $0.055 per share was a direct result of temporary cash distribution reductions by our two MLPs, Teekay Offshore and Teekay LNG. We believe the reductions are in the best interest of long-term investors as the reallocation of a significant portion of our internally generated cash flows to fund our two MLPs profitable growth projects scheduled to deliver over the next several years will result…

Operator

Operator

Perfect. Thank you so much. [Operator Instructions] We will pause for just a moment to allow everyone an opportunity to signal for questions. Thank you. The first question comes from Michael Webber from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Michael Webber

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Hey, good morning, guys. How are you?

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Great.

Michael Webber

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Hey, Peter. I just had a handful of questions, and I think I’ll probably stick to the, I guess, to the Parent asset and one around your leverage. But maybe just kind of walking through Parent fleet status slide, but I don’t think I’ve seen everything else - but nine. Can you remind us, you mentioned around the Hummingbird Spirit through 2017 unless terminated for convenience with 90 days’ notice. Can you give us a bit of color around the technicalities around that? Obviously, if you’re negotiating to extend it, it might not be - it’s certainly not a certainty, but just a little bit more color around the embedded optionality there with the charter?

Kenneth Hvid

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Yes, Mike, it’s Kenneth. Well, first of all the Humming Spirit, it’s on a field where there’s lot more oil. But at the moment the production is definitely at a level where we’re close to a breakeven cost that’s compared to the oil existing oil prices is very tight. So that’s the reason why we can discussions and there is three months termination, as we said, in there. And we are doing what we can to work with a charter and figure out ways, the ways we can push that decision out in time. And that’s really the optionality that charter has on the field. And that’s reflective of many of discussions we are seeing on other fields also, that you’re making - you’re not just making a decision based on today’s oil price, but it is really, of course, also given lot of optional upsides that you’re saying goodbye to. So I think there’s a lot of - it’s a complex discussion and it’s more than just dividing the charter rate with the production and then looking at the oil price. There are associated decommissioning costs, et cetera, and so if you fundamentally have a field that can produce for longer, of course, there are various options being weighed.

Michael Webber

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Yeah.

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

And I will just add that, that’s an interesting field, because that field is not been depleting according to what its schedule was. So its production profile has actually been better than what was forecasted. And therefore, there is an incentive to keep it on the field for longer. And then, of course, play for the higher oil price you talked about, Kenneth.

Michael Webber

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Okay. All right. That makes sense. Around the LNG carriers that you guys have chartered, the Arctic and the Polar, are they looking for something in - as early as Q3 2016, but do you have a sense yet on whether you’ll be cold or hot stacking those, when you do get them to Asia? And then if you can give anything around where the - where we should model in from a run rate or cost on those assets through 2016, if there are going to be a stack?

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Yes. Well, we are working on opportunities. But in the charter opportunities, we don’t anticipate, we treat them in the spot market. Therefore, we are looking for medium-term contract opportunities, which is why we got a delay for starting up in Q3. And therefore, they will not be kept cold. They will warm up, which oddly enough makes them in cold lay-up when they warm up.

Michael Webber

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Right. Or you got to switch it around. And you guys are looking at longer-term opportunities because of the spot-market now relative to maybe the reference rate we’re used to looking at somewhere between 70K, 80K,? In this environment, what sort of - without nailing down a specific number what sort of haircut do you think would be appropriate in this environment for long-term contracts?

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Well, those units have been for the last few years trading down to Argentina, where they’ve been utilizing the shallow draft. And we’re working on opportunities that can utilize those vessels in shallow draft opportunities. And they’ve traded in places, so they have ice class, which makes them good for Kenai. And Kenai looks like it will start up again. However, I’m not sure exports really are profitable at today’s low gas prices. So we can see numerous regions and capabilities that make these units - well, that’s why customers come to us and ask them for us. But fundamentally, we believe the oil price has to increase in order to have LNG prices increase. Because lots of people are picking up LNG today and selling it spot at a loss.

Michael Webber

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Fair enough. I can move up with one on that. Around - there’s just one more on the fleet and I just want to touch on the leverage, but within I think it was Appendix C of the release, kind of running through the Parent level cash flows and in the other bucket, I know there are lot of things that gets tossed in there. But there are two FSOs that are chartered up to the Parent. I think they’ve been there for a while. But just curious if you can break out what the rate and term on those are. They don’t make the slide in terms of the owned assets, but in terms of the kind of operating or assets or sources - or potential their sources of cash. Just trying to get a sense on where the breakeven of those is.

Vincent Lok

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Yeah, Mike. There are few offshore assets like Peter mentioned, the Petronordic and Petroatlantic. And then there is a couple of FSOs like the Pattani and the Falcon. Basically those are structured pretty much on a flow through basis. So there is very minimal impact on the free cash flow on the parent level.

Michael Webber

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

And can you remind us of the term on those assets?

Vincent Lok

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

They vary. Kenneth…

Kenneth Hvid

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Right. Petronordic, Petroatlantic are core UK shuttle tankers that are active in the shuttle fleet there, most of it working on the Foinaven contracts. So that’s where they lead up to. Pattani is on an option with Chevron in Thailand. And it’s a five-year option at a relatively low rate. Again, there it’s an asset with more field-life. And it’s a big producing field. So in one or two years we’ll probably have a discussion with Chevron around the possible expansion, because it’s a good asset that has been completely written down, but has lot more field life left in it. On Falcon Spirit, that’s on charter to QP and Occidental. And there is a firm charter that expires in 2017. But also there, it’s the last field and there are extensive discussions which are starting to come up over the next month or two we expect.

Michael Webber

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Fair enough. Is it fair to say that that other line item in terms of gas generation at the Parent shouldn’t be too much variability there in 2016 and 2017, maybe a bit beyond that makes the change? Is that fair characterization?

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Other than the Arctic and Polar.

Michael Webber

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Right, right. Okay, perfect. And then, one more for me and I’ll turn it over. And Vince’s legacy [ph] or Peter, but just around the facility at the Parent level, can you give us a sense on where the LTV covenant is on that facility, the one that’s underpinned by the equity stakes in the Daughters and whether there has been any sort of reduction in availability just given the fact that the Daughter equity value dependent so much?

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Yes. We have a corporate revolver at the Parent that is secured by the Daughter shares. And with the sharp drop in the share prices late last year, it’s a fairly low LTV. It’s less than 10% right now. So we are not getting very much availability under that revolver, right now. We are in discussions with the banks to amend that facility going forward.

Michael Webber

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Do you have a timetable around the conversations at all?

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

I would say probably in the next couple of months or so.

Michael Webber

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Great. All right, great. Thanks for the time, guys. I’ll turn it over.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Amit Mehrotra from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Amit Mehrotra

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Yes, thank you, operator. Good afternoon, good morning, guys. I appreciate all the details in the slides. Vince, on the Parent company cash flow - sorry, the operating cash flows, I guess, Peter mentioned some of the puts and takes in the first quarter, but if you can just extrapolate a little bit and tell us what the puts and takes are for, so we can get a sense of maybe what the full year looks like? I appreciate it.

Vincent Lok

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Yes. We did provide some guidance for Q1 in the appendix of the presentation on Slide 14. So the biggest changes in Q1 compared to Q4, would be the reduction in the Foinaven revenues, given that we receive an extra $15 million in the fourth quarter, so that will be a minus. And then the Arctic and Polar, should they continue to stay up higher then that’s a $6 million reduction in the first quarter. So those are couple of the reductions. The increases, we’ve highlighted some decreases in OpEx there for the FPSO fleets. The dry-docking expense that we incurred, $5 million in the fourth quarter would not be there in the first quarter. And then, the other parts of it would be smaller items, like tanker rates are probably going to be a little bit stronger in the first quarter, and the dividend might be a little bit higher from TNK. And I think net interest expense probably should drop a little bit in the first quarter. So there are some pluses and minuses.

Amit Mehrotra

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Okay. And then the $850 million, I guess, in gross debt, of which $245 million is short-term - characterized as short-term. Can you just sort of walk through how that will be addressed with the cash balance in the free cash flow, I guess, some of that will be extended with the VLCC facility? But if you could also help us with sort of how you address that with the current existing liquidity. And also just related to that if you can just help us with the minimum liquidity requirements with respect to any covenants or even inter-quarter working capital swings?

Vincent Lok

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Sure. Yes, our net debt, net of cash at end of December was $630 million. The two facilities you are referring to, one is - that’s up for maturity in 2016. The first one is the one that’s secured by the Shoshone Spirit VLCC. So we are in the process of extending that out. That one should be relatively straightforward. The other one is the FPSO facility that expires in September. That’s secured by the other FPSO units at the parent company level. That one, we are also in discussions already with the banks on extending goes out. So I expect both facilities to be rolled. In terms of the - just going back to the earlier discussion about the equity margin, corporate revolver, as I said we are in the process of talking with the banks to amending that. And the goal there is to get a higher loan-to-value percentage and if we’re successful on that then our liquidity would increase in the current levels.

Amit Mehrotra

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

All right. Okay, that’s great. Just one sort of bigger picture question for, Peter, if I may, the story for long-time, it had been sort of the resilient nature of the cash flows and basically how you then ask your customers for true-ups when oil prices are high. So it’s tough to give concessions when oil prices are low. But obviously, I guess, in the current environment, customers are looking everywhere to cut costs and some are in survival mode. Knowing for well sort of where you are in the supply chain and where you guys sit in the supply chain and I guess the blue-chip nature of your customers, can you just sort of give some color in terms of how commercial negotiations or discussions with existing customers gotten more difficult or is it sort of the same status quo and really is just a reflection of how the public markets are treating the business model? If you can just offer us any updates on that, that’d be great.

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Sure. Well, it always starts with your customers. And when your customers are hurting you as a supplier are always hurting as well. So I think it’s true that we’re not immune to that. What is different I think following the distribution cuts and the fact that we have to finance the growth projects that are coming up, is that it’s sometimes in our interest in order to amend the contracts to get them longer. So we’re going to our customers and saying is there a possibility of buying more duration because we’ve observed especially at Teekay Offshore that the duration of our contracts is so low that our banks are forcing us to repay debt so much. So if we can term out our contracts by giving a little bit. Then I think that’s a win-win for both parties. At the same time we got to work with them in order to lower the costs. And that’s something that we’re more than happy to give the bulk of that to our customers and give value.

Amit Mehrotra

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Is there a way to think about that trade-off and how you think about the value proposition, I guess, on an NPV basis in terms of trading off a little bit of a higher rate or cash flows right now for little bit longer durations? Can you just help us with that?

Kenneth Hvid

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Maybe I should just add - it’s Kenneth here - that there are really three things that I think need to be considered when we’re looking at the discussions with customers. The first one is as you correctly pointed out where did we sit in the value chain, and what are the supply-and-demand dynamics in each of those segments. And I would say that, they’re fairly poorly understood across the board in the offshore service sector, because they’re obviously vastly different between a shuttle tanker and a PSV and an anchor handler today, in the same way as we’re seeing conventional tanker rates shooting up to the same customers and which is a function of a lot of oil suppliers and relatively fewer tankers than what we had a couple of years ago. So I think it is important to understand the supply-and-demand fundamentals in each of these sectors which is there. The second part is, of course, we’re interested in going into a dialogue about extending and amending and getting more certainty, more duration on. And the underlying criteria there is, obviously, what is the fundamental field life, which we spoke to earlier, and why it makes sense to stretch out. It’s in our interest to stretch our loans to match a longer profile and getting more certainty on those profiles. So that’s an active discussion, which is around the NPV calculation, getting certainty on the financing and I’m stretching that out. And there is a third element, which is really the important one, which is different where we can definitely see those completely different change dialogue in the industry today, where customers and suppliers are just having different conversations. It’s about how do we collectively take out cost of the supply-chain. It’s about how do we bring down the production cost per barrel. And the only way that you’re going to effectively do that, there is only so long you can keep beating each other up. What you really need to do is to look at how you can work smarter. And it’s about shifting around some roles and responsibilities and how you actually develop and run a field. And so there is a lot of duplication out there. And those are the discussions which are actually more interesting to us, because that is fundamentally how we become more relevant to our customers and how we help lower the cost. And out of that equation, obviously, comes a benefit to all of us, because we make the industry more sustainable.

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

And I would just add, when you think about the Varg FPSO that sat on the same field for close to 18 years. And there was lot of extra drilling that went on and they developed other parts. And so we - they paid us to put on, for example, gas injection in order to keep the pressure up on that field. And so, we continue to work with our customers on that. But the great part - a lot of people have been asking about, well, why do you have so much growth. But the great news is that our oil company customers are really keen to get our new projects on. If you think about Libra, if you think about Atlanta, if you think about Yamal LNGs.

Kenneth Hvid

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

And Gina Krog.

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Yeah. And Gina Krog in the North Sea, they all want - they are keen for us to complete our share of it, because they want to start cash flowing those assets, which are incredibly important for them to keep up their reserves. And so, that’s what we’re continuing to see, whereas, most of the focus is on, will people shutdown production. But actually the oil companies and - obviously BG being sold to shell, that was shell replacing reserves in a big way. But what is important is that the keenness, I guess you would say, of our customers in order to have our new projects come on. And that is, of course, taken off with the idea that some of these units that are on matured fields will go off. But then again, as Kenneth was saying, some of our mature assets are great assets in order to have cost-effective solutions on fields that will be developed in the future.

Amit Mehrotra

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Right.

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

So it isn’t just one way. Everyone thinks there’s this correlation coefficient that oil production is going to go down, but actually, I can see that oil price - our customers as you were saying, Kenneth, are actually thinking more strategically than that.

Amit Mehrotra

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Okay, great. Thanks, guys. I appreciate the time.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Fotis Giannakoulis from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Fotis Giannakoulis

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Yes. Hi, guys. I want to ask about the debt at the Parent level. And you have the bones, and you have the facility that you mentioned earlier. Based on the cash flows and now with the reduced dividend, what is the plan of the repayment of this loan? How do you view long-term this loan being repaid?

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Sure. Well, we haven’t actually changed it, which is that we plan to sell the fixed assets that we have upstairs, which total as we said approximately $635 million. That’s how we plan to repay the bulk of the net debt that we have. That’s a good offset. And then, of course the value of our Daughter companies has been severely impacted by the distribution cuts. But we know that inherent value will increase along with the GP value and that will defray any extra amount that has to be refinanced in the future years.

Fotis Giannakoulis

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Can you explain this last comment about the stock of the Daughter companies? Are there any thoughts of potentially selling the Daughter company stock in order to repay the loan at the parent level?

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

No. The idea is not to buy high, sell low. The idea is that we can - we have lots of levers in order to enhance that. Obviously, we’ve taken it on the chin with cutting the distributions. But the ultimate value of the Daughter companies is a fraction of what they’re worth, when we turn back on the distributions and fix the financing shortfalls that we have. That’s the essence of what we’ve been trying to convey today in our call. So, yes, take a picture and say that some of the parts today is $9. But let’s take a picture when things get restored, and then, I think the $9 looks just a fraction of what the inherent value is, which by the way was what it was a year ago, right?

Fotis Giannakoulis

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

No, no, let us…

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

And so, there isn’t an essence for what it is. We also have the ability, as Vince was saying that if we have any liquidity shortfalls we can borrow more against our Daughter company entities rather than sell them, because as you pointed out, Vince, the loan-to-value on that equity margin revolver is less than 10%. And so, we have levers that we can play there, but the fire-sale part of assets, don’t even bring it up.

Fotis Giannakoulis

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Yes. But I just wanted to make it clear, that there are no plans for selling any of the shares. It’s clearly a lot of value in the stocks of the Daughter company. When you mentioned about potentially selling the assets at the parent level, are you referring to selling down to the Daughter companies, or even selling to the market given that some of these assets they have long-term cash flows and there would be buyers probably based of this cash flows?

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Well, each asset is a little different. Obviously, the FPSO assets are earmarked for TOO, whereas the VLCC is earmarked for third-party sale. And TIL is, they talk about is also a - TIL is also on its way to being sold and they have their own strategy that they have going forward on that which they’re successfully executing. So Teekay strategy, which is to become net debt free, hasn’t changed one bit from that. Obviously, it’s been delayed. And we’ve had to take a little bit of a change in financial strategy. But we have not changed that inherent strategy, and that’s why we think we will be back there in order to repay the bonds by 2020.

Fotis Giannakoulis

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

And, Peter, I understand that part of the operations of the - that they’re related to assets of the Daughter companies are performed by the Parent as a service to its Daughter companies. Is that correct? And out of the G&A that corresponds to the Parent MPP, is there any G&A that would be more related to the Daughter company that could be potentially being undertaken by the Daughter company?

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Now, we’ve already made those allocations which depend upon that. Yes. Teekay, all the employees are basically up at Teekay Corporation. They provide services and they do that on a basis that is checked by the independent directors annually at each Daughter company to make sure that the services they are getting are cost-effective and there isn’t any splitting up of that.

Fotis Giannakoulis

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you very much, Peter.

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead

Thank you. And you can find more of those details in the breakout of our earnings release.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Sunil Sibal from Seaport Global Securities. Please go ahead.

Sunil Sibal

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities. Please go ahead

Hi, good morning, good afternoon, guys. Just a couple for me, in terms of FPSOs for those units for which you might have to wait, so they come off a field and they are waiting for a new contract, what is a typical op-cost during that time?

Kenneth Hvid

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities. Please go ahead

Well, it varies based on the unit and the context. But Petrojarl I we just had in lay off and Hummingbird which are relatively simple systems would be $5,000, $10,000 a day. I think without being drawn on the exact number, it’s probably in that region. But it all depends in, in terms of when we would prepare for the next job, does it lay-up, and where we are expecting a job shortly or is it a little bit of a longer period. So it really is on a unit by unit basis, so we could give more information on that as it comes relevant.

Sunil Sibal

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities. Please go ahead

Okay. Got it. So the cold lay-up will be even lower than that, that’s what you’re saying that $5,000 number that you said?

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities. Please go ahead

I would call it closer to $10,000 today.

Sunil Sibal

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities. Please go ahead

Okay. Got it. Then on the LNG carriers, so you have a few at the Parent and a couple at the TGP level too. I was kind of curious, I think, some of the players in the industry have come together for the cool pool kind of concept. With regard to your vessels was that just not kind of the contracting strategy you are looking for or the vessels were different in terms of your decision not to go that route?

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities. Please go ahead

Yeah. We think we have the customer contacts and in order that we don’t need to be part of a pool that will outperform the pool, because our assets are more specific. And that was proven particularly by the Maersk in the methane, getting the employment on the new Australia contracts through mid-2016. And so we think we actually benefit by doing it ourselves rather than being part of a pool. The Arctic and Polar as I talked about at an earlier question are little more specific. And so, we’re having direct contacts there rather than treating them as commodities.

Sunil Sibal

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities. Please go ahead

Okay. Got it. And then just one housekeeping for me. In the Appendix C, in which you provide reconciliations for cash flows and as part of the earnings release for the vessels at the Parent, so seems like the line item on that amortization of in-process revenue contracts. So normally, it’s a deduct for calculating the cash flows and seems like this quarter it was add back. And I was kind of curious if there was anything specific going on there and I can take it offline even you know if that’s better?

Vincent Lok

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities. Please go ahead

Yeah. We can take that offline with you.

Sunil Sibal

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities. Please go ahead

Okay. That’s all I had. Thanks, guys.

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Jerry Cesar [ph] from WGI. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, thank you so much for your time. I just wanted to follow up on the previous customer negotiation question. I understand your position of one greater duration on the offshore contracts. And I’m just curious, if oil prices deteriorate further and the profitability of some of the fields becomes more in questionnaire, delays and deliveries in exchange for longer duration also possible.

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

I don’t think so. I think what we’re talking about when we talk about this, extending the duration is on more mature oilfields where you have low production. Where you have new fields coming on, you have high barrels per day production. And they spend so much money that they’re actually keen to start up on time.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Okay. And is there a way to possibly get some understanding for the scale of rate reductions of matured fields are possible in exchange for duration?

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

No, it’s actually a whole bunch of one-offs. There isn’t an algorithm or a formula that you can put to that. And as I said maybe earlier on the TOO call, a lot of it depends upon what they see as the ultimate value of getting out. And oddly enough, if you close down a field in some ways it can be hugely cash flow negative, because you accelerate what we call plug and abandon cost. You have to start to take things off of the field. And so the weird thing is by shutting down production, you actually could cause yourself to have much more negative cash flow.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thank you so much.

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from George Berman of IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead.

George Berman

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

Good afternoon. And thanks for taking my call.

Peter Evensen

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

Hi, George.

George Berman

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

Congratulations on the nice contract on the Shoshone Spirit. Adding to your earlier comments that you are looking to now, I guess, change for the better to buy low and sell high, in the current environment wouldn’t it make sense to liquefy that VLCC with the charter on it and either we purchase your own or your Daughter company’s shares and add to your positions?

Peter Evensen

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

Yeah. That’s an idea. Yes.

George Berman

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

Okay. Next question, your investors in Tanker Investments, if I look at the company reported great numbers this morning and they’re showing as shareholders, they bought a bunch of their own stock back, and then second about the largest individual shareholders would be Teekay Tankers along with you, Teekay holdings. Would it make sense to move that company along with Teekay Corporation or sell the shares? I understand, they announced another 60 million share stock buyback program or $60 million stock buyback program this morning. What are your plans for this division? I think you managed that as well, right?

Peter Evensen

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

Yes. That is managed. The CEO is a Teekay person and it’s a Teekay managed entity. So, yeah, they’re executing very smartly. They’re taking advantage of the fact that they can sell assets at full value and they’re buying back their shares at a 30% discount, and in doing that every remaining share becomes worth more. So, obviously, we’ve taken note of that. Right now at our some of our other daughter companies we have some funding shortfalls. But believe me, that is something that Teekay Corp. has done in the past. From 2005 to 2007, we bought back 25% of our shares. So it’s a strategy we’re familiar with and you are quite right to point out that Tanker Investments is executing on that. And given where all the Teekay entities are trading post this distribution cuts, that’s a viable strategy to sell…

George Berman

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

Okay.

Peter Evensen

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

…assets and buyback loans or shares at a discount, creating more net asset value per share. And we brought back some of the parts, but the other thing that we think about is the fact that, we are as TIL selling at significant discount to its - some of the parts. The only thing…

George Berman

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

That’s the problem at the moment - that’s the problem at the moment with all tanker companies, despite record high wage, the valuations given in - of tanker companies at the moment in the market, almost ridiculous, as ridiculous as your own stock price?

Peter Evensen

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

Yes. But that’s what happened in world, is that everything is trading correlated to oil prices. And you’re right to point that out. Tankers are benefiting from low oil prices in general. But the whole sector as everybody likes to say, the baby is thrown out with the bathwater. So it’s incumbent upon us to take advantage of that as we increase our financial strength.

George Berman

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

Right. One last question, could you give us the rates that you are currently paying, the chartered-in rates for the Arctic Spirit, the Polar Spirit?

Brian Fortier

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

That’s roughly $50,000 per day per ship.

George Berman

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

Okay. And they are currently laid up, but looking for work. So if you can secure longer-term contracts above those rates, obviously they would be a profit center for Teekay Parent as well, correct?

Brian Fortier

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

Yes.

George Berman

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

Okay. And, with a number of LNG projects coming online over the next 12 to 18 months, you feel the chances are pretty good then at this point in time?

Brian Fortier

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

Yes. What we said on the Teekay LNG call is - our customers used to want to order newbuildings. Now, with the rates being low, they are looking at chartering existing stuff and waiting not to have newbuildings. And that’s really what happening across the whole energy universe. At high oil and LNG prices everyone wanted something new. Now, they’re much more content to have cheap but nice, as long as it’s safely operated by an operator like Teekay.

George Berman

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

Right. And there are not that many LNG carriers laid up at this point are there?

Brian Fortier

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

No, there aren’t. And you will ultimately need more as all the Sabine Pass and other projects come online.

George Berman

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

Right. Is that the - Sabine Pass, you mentioned that, that was supposed to happen here late January. I guess, it’s been pushed out to early March now. But we are pretty comfortable that that will start come to pass?

Brian Fortier

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

Yes. We have two vessels that are going to lift volumes there and one just got delivered earlier today. And that will go on charter to Cheniere by the end of this month. And…

George Berman

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

Okay, great. Good luck for the future.

Peter Evensen

Analyst · IFS Securities, Raymond James. Please go ahead

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Gregory Lewis of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Gregory Lewis

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead

Hey, good afternoon, guys. And thanks for squeezing me in here, I guess, for now up on an hour. I mean, I have lots - I’ll just mention one question that they kind of - you guys sort of led me to thinking about. You mentioned that the assets at Teekay Parent are around $635 million. It’s pretty easy for me to back into the value of the VLCC. I guess, what I am wondering is, for the value we’re putting on, the FPSOs, is that more of third-party broker analysis or is that more of a applying a multiple of cash flow to come up with those valuations?

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead

It’s more of a discounting of the existing contracts that they’re on and taking into account of residual value.

Gregory Lewis

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead

Okay. Thank you for the...

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead

We’re putting no more - like, for example, the Foinaven where we’re negotiating to extend the contract, we are attributing no value to that contract extension until it’s actually realized.

Gregory Lewis

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead

Okay. So it’s just really just the DCF?

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead

Yes.

Gregory Lewis

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead

Okay. Perfect, guys. And thank you very much.

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead

Thank you, Greg.

Peter Evensen

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please go ahead

All right. Thank you all very much. As Greg pointed out, we’re right up on an hour, so thank you very much. And as you hear, we are still busy. There’s a lot going on around Teekay Corporation. But our biggest focus right now is on the financial aspects going forward. Thank you all very much for listening.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the conference call for today. We thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines and have a great day.