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Telos Corporation (TLS)

Q2 2021 Earnings Call· Mon, Aug 16, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. And welcome to the Telos Corporation 2Q21 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. Be advised that today's conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over the Brinlea Johnson with Blue Shore Group. Please, go ahead.

Brinlea Johnson

Analyst

Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us to discuss Telos Corporation's second-quarter 2021 financial results. With me today is John Wood, CEO, and Chairman of Telos, and Mark Benza, CFO of Telos, Ed Williams, COO, will be joining us for the Q&A. Let me quickly review the format of today's presentation. John will begin with some brief remarks on the second quarter 2021 results and tell us his strategic priorities, and Mark will cover the financials and guidance. Then we'll open up the line for the Q&A session. Earnings press release [Indiscernible] earlier today and is posted on the Telos website where this call is being simultaneously webcast. Before we get started, we want to emphasize that some of our statements on this call are forward-looking statements and are made under the Safe Harbor provisions of the Federal Security Laws. These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions that are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results can materially differ for various reasons, including the factors described in today's earnings press release, in the comments made during this conference call, and our SEC filings. We do not undertake any duty to update any forward-looking statement. In addition to today's call, we will discuss non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe are useful as supplemental and clarifying measures to help investors understand Telos ' financial performance. These non-GAAP financial measures should be considered in addition to and not as a substitute for or in isolation from GAAP results. You can find additional disclosures regarding these non-GAAP measures, including reconciliations with comparable GAAP results in our earnings press release and on the Investor Relations section of Teslos' website. The webcast replay of this call is available for the next year on our Company website under the Investor Relations link. And with that, I'll turn it over to John.

John Wood

Analyst

Thank you, Brinlea. Welcome everybody to our second quarter 2021 financial results conference call. I'm proud of our execution this quarter. We continued to deliver revenue growth and win meaningful contracts with both federal and commercial customers. We expect our new business pipeline to expand and multiply as we continue to make key investments in resources and partners. We also delivered 17% growth in gross profit, 290 basis points of gross margin expansion, and positive cash flow. As the Company announced on July 19th, Michele Nakazawa, who's been the CFO of the Company for nearly two decades, has stepped back from her role, marking the first phase or a path to retirement. To ensure a smooth transition, Michele will stay on the senior executive team and we'll work on special projects to ensure we're more efficient as a Company as we continue to grow. Mark Benza, former Vice President of Honeywell, has been appointed Executive Vice President and CFO. Mark brings over 20 years of experience in Investor Relations, Business Development, financial planning and analysis, financial strategy, mergers, and acquisitions in capital markets. I'm optimistic about the leadership and fresh perspective that Mark will bring to the organization and I'm very excited to have them on board. You'll have a chance to hear directly from Mark later in this call during the CFO update and for Q&A. And now I'd like to share with you our recent business highlights and updates. To start, I'd like to update you on our growing sales organization. Since the beginning of 2021, we've tripled our sales, marketing, and channel team and continue to attract top talent. We will continue to make these investments in sales and marketing as we broaden our market reach. In June, we successfully launched the Telos CyberProtect Partner Program by…

Mark Bendza

Analyst

Thank you, John, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today. First and foremost, I'd like to begin by saying how thrilled I am about the opportunity to join Telos. I'm excited about the numerous opportunities ahead to execute for our customers, partners, and shareholders, and to work with this team. I'm pleased with our second-quarter results underpinned by strong revenue growth, gross margin expansion, and positive cash flow. Let's start with revenues. Year-over-year reported second-quarter revenues grew 8%, from $48.6 million in 2020 to $52.6 million in 2021. Excluding our contracts with the U.S. Census Bureau, which is ramped down as planned since the same period last year, total second-quarter revenues grew 48%. Sequentially, total second-quarter revenues declined 6%, from $55.8 million in the first quarter due to a large delivery and our Secure Networks business that was originally planned for the second quarter but was delivered in the first quarter per our customer's request. If the delivery had shipped during the second quarter as originally scheduled, second-quarter revenues would've been approximately $57.4 million, sequential growth would've been 13% instead of negative 6%. and year-over-year growth would have been 18% instead of 8%. But in either case, first-half results are the same, with reported revenues up 24%. Now let's turn to our individual businesses. Total second-quarter revenues for our Security Solutions business declined 9% from $34.2 million in 2020 to $31.2 million in 2021. This decrease was driven by nearly $13 million of lower sales in Telos ID on the contract with the U.S. Census Bureau as mentioned previously. This contract recognized peak revenues in the second quarter of 2020 and largely ramped down according to plan through the second quarter of 2021. New contracts in Telos ID, our Xacta solution, and Telos Ghost are quickly backfilling the ramp-down…

Operator

Operator

And thank you, ladies and gentlemen. As a reminder, [Operator Instructions]. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. And our first question comes from Alex Henderson from Needham. Your line is now open.

Alex Henderson

Analyst

Thanks. Boy, I'm breathing a sigh of relief. I thought you guys were going to have to lower the guide for the year. This is a pretty good outcome considering the degree to which TSA Pre was late and the risks to Medicare and Medicaid. So, I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about what it is that is [Indiscernible]. Ghost is replacing it? Is it Network Solutions that are replacing I? Where are the revenue streams coming from? And given you had expected to get to double-digit operating margins in the back half of the year, is that something that you still expect to be able to attain without the TSA and Medicare, Medicaid programs?

John Wood

Analyst

Hey Alex, this is John. Thanks for your question. Thank you for your comment. The way to think about it, in general, is that our mix, our revenue mix will be about the same as we projected from an IPO point of view, which means that Security Solutions should be around 60% of the revenue going forward, which is going to be a result of a mix of those 3 areas, plus that confidential customer that we talked about before doing more work with us because we've done well with them. So, across the board, you'll see growth, really, within our Secure Networks group as well so I believe that we'll have a good solid second half of the year.

Alex Henderson

Analyst

Is it Ghost? Is it Xacta? Any color on what it is that's, obviously, running well ahead of forecast to offset the loss of, I think, if I do the math right, five -- something like $30 million in the third quarter, going into the fourth quarter?

John Wood

Analyst

Basically, what it is all of the Security Solutions components are doing better than the plan from a pipeline point of view. And then, the second part is with Secure Networks as well, we're seeing good growth across the board.

Alex Henderson

Analyst

Okay. And then the margin comments, any reason to believe the margins aren't going to be at least as good then?

John Wood

Analyst

That's why we have held our guidance. We wanted to make sure that the market understands that we believe the mix will hold, and as a result, the margins will hold.

Alex Henderson

Analyst

Okay. And so to the extent that TSA, Pre, and Medicare, Medicaid starting bound -- if you think about it as a physics boundary value problem, it started a little later, does that change the expectations for '22 or alternatively, the fact that it started later has no impact because you'd expected the volume in '22 either -- in either case. How do you talk to the magnitude of '22 based on the difference in timing?

Alex Henderson

Analyst

Yes. So one part of that, Alex, is going to be, obviously, CMS and PreCheck, some components of that pushing, but the other component keeping the back your mind's eye is, I think we assumed 600 and some odd -- 625,000 transactions, I think it was, for 2022 and I think that's going to prove to be conservative.

John Wood

Analyst

So, it sounds like you think that you'll still hit the original expectations for TSA premium Medicare, Medicaid in 22 based on better transaction volumes and whatever share, despite the delay in the start time; is that right?

Brinlea Johnson

Analyst

Correct.

Alex Henderson

Analyst

Perfect. And then one last question, then I'll see the floor, as I'm looking at this delay, does that help you at all or hurt you at all relative to the competitive balance between your offering in that arena and your competitors in that arena? Does it give you more of an opportunity because of the Xacta tie-in or does it have any impact at all or is it -- is that not impacted?

Mark Bendza

Analyst

From our standpoint it allows us to hit the ground running. So, it allows us to prepare ourselves, we'll have several hundred sites up and ready. So as a result of that, I think it gives us a better chance of much faster success.

John Wood

Analyst

All right. I'll see the floor. Thanks.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

Yes.

John Wood

Analyst

Thank you. And our next question comes from Dan Ives from Wedbush Securities. Your line is now open.

Sam Brandeis

Analyst

Hi, this is Sam Brandeis on for Dan. My question is, can you speak on the surge of federal spending that we're seeing on cyber towards year-end? And how does this environment compare to the last few years in terms of spending? Thanks.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

You are welcome. So, I would say from a standpoint of our year and this year, I would say it's going to have a little impact this year. However, it will have an impact over the next year and two years. Even though the government has put money to work, you still have to go through what's called the contracting process, and that inevitably tends to slow things down. So, from a standpoint of planning, we're not planning on additional revenue out of that plus up, if you will, from the government. If it happens, great, but we're not planning on it. We are, however, all over it, and we're making sure that we mine all the opportunities that we see out there, which there are many, but we have to all realize that there is a contracting process that goes behind when they push dollars into these big programs. So, the pipe, the way to think about it, for all of you on the line here, is our pipeline is getting a lot bigger in general as a Company.

John Wood

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Zach Cummins from B. Riley Security.

Zach Cummins

Analyst

Hi, John and Mark, thanks for taking my questions. I appreciate the time here. John, just given that the business remains on track here and reaffirming your full-year outlook, can you just give us a little bit more insight into why we've been seeing this string of insider selling of late?

John Wood

Analyst

Sure. As I've pointed out to certain investors that have called me about it and spoken to some of the people in research as well, one of the great assets we have here is we have longevity here. And so, a lot of people here with a lot of tenures and they've never sold a share. So, we expected there to be some selling, and these plans, the so-called 10b5-1 plans were put in place months ago. So, when they start their process of selling, it's out of their control at that time. So, I think that's where it really comes from. It's not a question about the Company or its condition, it's more really getting liquidity for my own employees who have an opportunity to diversify most of their wealth out of the Company and put it prudently into other investments as well. Understood. That's helpful and also encouraging to hear the progress we've seen with the expansion on the sales and marketing and the channel team. I mean, can you give us some updates on the early progress that you've seen there and expectations from that expanded group as we go into the second half of the year?

John Wood

Analyst

Yes. So just to remind everybody, we started with 16, I think we're up about 66 now, something like that, plus 50 or something. [Indiscernible]

John Wood

Analyst

Of about 50 people. We're seeing. I think the partner ecosystem is going to be much broader than we were expecting. We are -- we think that'll pull in some opportunities into the early part of '22, maybe the late part of '21. And we're seeing that it's also translated commercially which is very important to us, as you all know. So, I'd say that, again, this is a reflection of a much faster growing pipeline for us as a Company. And remember every time when we get into an account, the whole idea, once you get in, is to expand it over time, so we're continuing that process as well, which I think is helpful for the company, obviously.

Zach Cummins

Analyst

Understood. And it sounds like, with the ramp in revenue, we should see the margin expansion as well in the second half of this year. So, Mark, should we expect the Company to continue to be free cash flow positive as we see this ramp in the back half of the year?

Mark Bendza

Analyst

That's certainly our expectation for the full year, is that based on our guidance even at the low end, we're expecting to be cashflow positive. In the absence of an unusual end-of-year ramping and working capital, we would -- which we're not expecting, we would expect to be cashflow positive for the year.

Zach Cummins

Analyst

Understood. Well, thanks again for taking my questions, and congrats, again, on the third quarter.

John Wood

Analyst

Thank you.

Brinlea Johnson

Analyst

Thank you, Zach.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Nehal Chokshi from Northern Capital. Your line is now open.

Nehal Chokshi

Analyst

Thank you. Can you guys hear me?

Operator

Operator

We can. Yes, sir.

Nehal Chokshi

Analyst

Great. Great. Okay. So, yes. I echo my sentiments of a great quarter, and great to see the reiterated guidance given the TSA pushout timing of that. The work with the confidential customer, this is the same customer that was announced during the 4Q call that was a contract that was worth up to 45 million, correct?

Mark Bendza

Analyst

That was worth up to 45 million, that's correct, Nehal. It was $35 million, Nehal.

Nehal Chokshi

Analyst

I'm sorry, it was 35 million.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

And the award, right?

Nehal Chokshi

Analyst

Yes. Okay. And so, what this confidential customer, the composition of their work, it sounds like it's heavily weighted towards ID Trust 360 but there is a bit of Xacta goes there as well. And therefore, that's why you're maintaining your margin profile as well.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

Yeah, the way to think about it's, I think it's -- Ed's here, is it 75-25 in terms of the mix, roughly? So Secure Networks is roughly 25% of it and the rest of the work is Security Solutions with about 25 million of that 34.5 million or 35 million being recurring.

Nehal Chokshi

Analyst

Okay.

Nehal Chokshi

Analyst

And then, you made another interesting comment, the same comment that you made from the prior call, wider V-shape funnel. Two questions with that. One is that is it even wider than the wider V-shape funnel that you referred to in the prior call? And then, can you just define what you mean by wider? Do you mean more diverse customers or something else?

Mark Bendza

Analyst

It's really a combination of depth, breadth, and size. So, the size of the opportunities is getting bigger. The duration of the opportunities is getting longer. The type and flavor of opportunity, meaning, Security Solutions versus Secure Networks is broadening. So, it's happening across-the-board, and it's not really -- it's not in one group or another, it's happening across the board. And Ed, I think that's correct, do you?

John Wood

Analyst

Yeah. And the channel and the fact that we've got a lot more people out there.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

Yeah.

John Wood

Analyst

Doing their jobs as well as we are enlisting channel partners who also bring a portfolio of customers on their end, so that helps to broaden the pipeline even more.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

Yeah. And just to put a fine point on that, we talked about DLT, but there are others -- other large distributor types who have hundreds and hundreds of contract vehicles of their own. And basically, from our point of view, we're dealing with one buyer, meaning the distributor. But then they have hundreds of contracts of their own that they would as orders come in and administer on our behalf, but from our point of view, we're dealing with one entity. So again, it's another flavor of the channel strategy that we've been discussing with everybody since the IPO.

Nehal Chokshi

Analyst

Okay, great. And then, just to be clear, the winding is a trend that has happened from the first -- end of the fourth quarter to end of the first quarter to end of the second quarter, it's not just we had one [Indiscernible] step.

John Wood

Analyst

That's right. That's right, Nehal.

Alex Henderson

Analyst

Great. And then finally, you have I think, a very important line in the press release where you announced a lot of new and renewed contracts, a bunch of impressive commercial names such as AT&T, Accenture, Arnett (ph.), Cybersecurity, Comtech, was -- which of these were actually new?

Alex Henderson

Analyst

I think those are all new. Yeah, those are all new in the hall. They're all new.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

So, and is that generated through the channel programs or is that direct?

John Wood

Analyst

It was all direct, Nehal, but in each case, they start out as internal use kind of things, and then they plan on expanding channel. Remember what we want our partners to do like as an example, in Accenture -- excuse me. We want them to build out their own capabilities of many Xacta so that as we sell, we're selling more software as a service versus solutions as a service.

Nehal Chokshi

Analyst

Great. Well, do you sound like these would be important beachhead customers within each commercial vertical that should help the channel program, is that an incorrect assessment?

John Wood

Analyst

That's not incorrect. That's correct.

Nehal Chokshi

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thank you.

John Wood

Analyst

You're welcome. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Keith Bachman from the Bank of Montreal. Your line is now open. Hello, Keith? If you have phones on mute, could you please unmute them? Next question. Keith Bachman from Bank of Montreal.

Keith Bachman

Analyst

Can you guys hear me?

John Wood

Analyst

Hey, Keith. We can hear you now.

Keith Bachman

Analyst

All right. Yes, sorry. I have a little bit of technical difficulty. I had a little trouble getting into the call too, so I may have to do a little bit of repeat, but I want to start on TSA. And could you revisit -- I had a few questions about this. Is the delay a supply or a demand-driven delay? What I mean by that was there something on the technical side or rolling out the program from the TSA side or was it demand-driven delay in that there are fewer business travelers sort of speak who was a primary driver of the TSA program, if you could just clarify?

Mark Bendza

Analyst

Sure. Keith, I'm glad you asked me that question. Thank you. What I'd say is that it's driven by virtue of the fact that we've had, as everybody is well aware of, a bunch of different cybersecurity hacks and that has caused the TSA to take a step back to make sure that their own systems fundamentally won't have a problem by any third-parties coming after them. So that's --

Keith Bachman

Analyst

More supply.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

That's the main reason why this is all being pushed out.

Keith Bachman

Analyst

Okay.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

So, it's programmatic. It really has zero to do with demand.

Keith Bachman

Analyst

Right. Right.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

The demand is actually there still and hopefully it will hold, but the demand is definitely there still.

John Wood

Analyst

Okay. And I want to stick with it because right now if I go on -- and this is a competitive landscape question, how does this a follow-up? If I go on the TSA site, it takes me to UE Universal Enroll Program. How does the TSA to the government deal with the distribution of work as the program rolls out more in earnest? In other words, is, is it going to be a redirect to competitors or do you get a fair shake at it? How does the distribution of opportunities occur, so to speak, as the program unfolds more and earnest?

Mark Bendza

Analyst

First and foremost, they've said there's going to be equity between and amongst the different players. But Keith, we've never really expected that. We expect that we're going to have to compete on the merits so it's going to have to be -- that's how we're planning on this, is competing on the merits.

Keith Bachman

Analyst

But how do you generate -- how do think you win the business then, from the 3 other participants, excuse me, 2 other participants in the market?

John Wood

Analyst

So, you were -- were you going to say something?

Ed Williams

Analyst

Keith, this is Ed. So, for my -- on the new customer side of it, there's a direct marketing play here, where we'll be marketing and there's also points of presence where we'll be establishing, John mentioned earlier, a couple 100 expanding to eventually thousands of sites for people to get into to apply. So that right there is a distinction between competition, where we're at and where they're not, and so forth. And also, from a marketing perspective. We feel very comfortable with that program and what we're going to be doing there. On the re-compete side,

Ed Williams

Analyst

there are some nuances as well as terms of benefits that potentially come to one -- using one enrolling Company versus another. And as John mentioned, we're not quite sure how it's going to play out on the site, but we still anticipate between our marketing ventures where will be also marketing through distributors to customers that are both renewals as well as new customers. So, we'll be able to do direct impact there as well. So, we -- that's the way these things we see it playing out at this point.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

And then just to remind you, the universal enrollment contract is very different than the expansion contract, Keith. In that, the provider of that program, which is Idemia, pays the government directly the full amount of the cost of PreCheck. And the government then issues a check back to them per government terms over -- usually, the government pays within 60 to 90 days. In our case, we're taking at the point-of-sale, which allows us to do things like do discounting that you really can't do on Universal Enrollment. They have to pay the government a certain amount of money with every transaction. In our case, we pay the government a smaller fee, but we take the entirety of the $85 and are able to use it in a way where we, A, get paid up front, but, B, we're also able to do things like providing no costs incentives, which include things that I've referred to in the past, like discounts on various websites for purchasing merchandise, etc., and then those merchandisers pay us on the backend which becomes another source of revenue for the Company. There is a ton of additional activity behind that that we just don't get into because this is a public forum. So, it's very, if you will, highly -- we hold it very close. All the various initiatives we have internally, but we do think that out of the shoot, we'll be very well prepared to execute from Q4 and beyond. As I mentioned earlier, we'll have a couple of hundred or a few hundred actually, up to a few hundred sites by the fourth quarter anyway, which puts us into a running start mode, got it?

Keith Bachman

Analyst

Got it. Okay, question number 2 relates to the previous question, which was asked by somebody else, but on the commercial side, could you just give us an update on either the percent of commercial bookings or pipeline or revenues? How did you see that today? How did you see that unfolding at year-end?

Mark Bendza

Analyst

Okay.

Keith Bachman

Analyst

And let's just keeps TSA out of commercial definition.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

Yeah. No, I get your point. I get your point. I think at the end of the day, we'll probably be somewhere around 90/10 by the end of '21. I think by the end of '22, we're going to be around 80/20 if you don't count TSA PreCheck.

Keith Bachman

Analyst

Yeah.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

And that could change very rapidly based on the channel and based on the distribution models. So, remember the numbers that we have are based on channel and the commercial pipeline not having any impact on 2022 until the second half of the year of 2022.

Keith Bachman

Analyst

Got it.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

So, my -- our assessment will be refreshed once we go through our end-of-year planning for purposes of full-year 2022 and then come out with our guidance for full-year '22 at some point in not too distant future.

Alex Henderson

Analyst

Okay. Okay. My final question is just stress. And what I mean by that is, it's understandable that if TSA and Medicaid Medicare push that there could be some downward pressure on previous guidance, you're maintaining your guidance, which sounds like the pipeline is robust enough to maintain that, but I think investors may come away. Did they leave a tall hill to climb?

Ed Williams

Analyst

That is to say good management, we have a tall hill to climb to even make those -- the current guidance and see why '21 given that two of the largest programs are being pushed into '22. And so, I think a different way to ask that question just on overall, maybe you could just characterize how the pipeline has evolved from, say, December 31, to June 15th, to today, is it up 15%? Is it up 20%? Is there any way to think about that because just, again, if 2 of your larger programs are pushed, yet you're maintaining guidance, I think the natural question is going to be, what stress did you thereby leave with on this side [Indiscernible]?

Mark Bendza

Analyst

No. I get it's a great question, Keith. And another one I am glad you asked upfront. One of the things that Mark did in his presentation as he gave you a sense of what we think Q3 looks like. And that's without CMS, that's without PreCheck. That gives you some sense of the way that we've been able to fill in that whole, if you will, with existing and or new customers or expansion of existing customers. And if I were to estimate what that would be for Q3, it's probably 20,15, 20 revenue?

Ed Williams

Analyst

Percent?

Mark Bendza

Analyst

Million.

Ed Williams

Analyst

New customers?

Mark Bendza

Analyst

No, no. I'm saying the amount we're covering from CMS and PreCheck is rough, I think, 15 million bucks, roughly. Isn't that right?

Ed Williams

Analyst

Yeah, for Q3, yeah.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

Yeah. So, we're covering a $15 million whole with other business, which has the same or better margin profile than those programs on their own.

Keith Bachman

Analyst

Yeah. The margin profile I get. That's interesting. And then, just say it a different way, comfortable with Q3 and Q4 then.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

We are, we're comfortable, as of today, with Q3 and Q4. And yes, so that's why we reaffirmed guidance. Otherwise, we wouldn't have. Now, I'll say it a different way, had we been up and running with both programs, we would've guided up.

Keith Bachman

Analyst

Yeah.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

At the end of the day. But in an overabundance of being cautious, we basically just said we're going to stick with what we're -- what our guidance is.

Keith Bachman

Analyst

Yeah. Makes sense. Okay. I will see the floor and many thanks.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And thank you. And our final question comes from Catharine Trebnick from Colliers. Your line is now open.

Catharine Trebnick

Analyst

Thanks for taking my question. Can we then get into the gross margins, I might have missed it when you talked about them and I'm specifically trying to understand better the solutions versus the network gross margin.

John Wood

Analyst

Sure, Catherine. Catherine, I'd like you to meet Mark Bendza who is our CFO, and great to hear from you again. So, Mark please dive into the gross margin for Catherine.

Mark Bendza

Analyst

Hi Catherine, thank you for the question. I don't think we've been giving out precision around gross margins at that level. But what I can say is that Security Solutions, gross margins are tens of -- nearly double, let's say, between Security Solutions and Secure Networks. We also saw pretty significant gross margin expansion from the first quarter to the second quarter in both Security Solutions and Secure Networks. And then in addition to that, we also saw some mixed benefit from 1Q to 2Q with Security Solutions going from 40% of total revenues in the first quarter to 60% in the second quarter. That 1,300 basis points of gross margin expansion that you saw sequentially from 1Q to 2Q, was both mixed between Security Solutions and Secure Networks as well as gross margin expansion within each of those two businesses.

John Wood

Analyst

And put a fine point on it, just so everyone is aware, Q1, everybody will recall our Secure Networks business is more like 59% of revenue and our Security Solutions business is more like 41%. And there was concern that the model was wrong, it was off. And we said, no, it's really just a point in time. If you look where we are today in terms of revenue mix, it's where we were thinking it should be, which is much more like around 59% Security Solutions and 40%, 41% is Secure Networks. So that is going to have the impact of obviously affecting gross margins, not just on a dollar basis but as a percentage of sales.

Catharine Trebnick

Analyst

All right. And that helps because I remember the Secure Networks was significantly depressed last quarter, so thank you very much.

John Wood

Analyst

You're welcome, Catherine. Thank you for your question.

Operator

Operator

And thank you. And I'm showing no further questions. I would now like to go ahead and turn the call back to management for closing remarks.

John Wood

Analyst

Thank you very much, operator. I just want to say how much we appreciate everybody and their beliefs in the Company and what we're up to as an organization. I try to avoid watching the stock price, but of course, occasionally, I'd do it and just it's a crazy world out there as all I can say. I'm hopeful that we'll just continue to hit numbers and perform, and over time, people will begin to trust that the information that we get people and the growth that we perceive is out there, is going to actually happen. And therefore, I like people to remember that we have very long-term contracts and 2022 is going to be a bang-up year, in my opinion. So have a great night, everybody and we'll talk soon.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating, you may now disconnect.