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Telix Pharmaceuticals Limited (TLX)

Q4 2025 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 20, 2026

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Telix Full Year 2025 Results and Investor Webcast. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Kyahn Williamson, SVP of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications. Please go ahead.

Kyahn Williamson

Analyst

Thank you, and thank you to everybody for joining us on this call this morning, this evening, wherever you are in the world. We launched our annual report and full year results on the ASX about 30 minutes ago. We also have the slides on the screen via webcast for you to see today. I'm just going to take you through a brief introduction and some disclaimer statements before handing over. If you just move to the Slide 2. Very pleased to have on the call with us today, Chris Behrenbruch, our CEO and Managing Director; Darren Smith, our CFO; and Kevin Richardson, our CEO of the Precision Medicine business. I should also mention that we have Dr. David Cade, our Chief Medical Officer, on the line for the Q&A session. We'll be running through today our strategy, financial results, and update on our Precision Medicine and Therapeutics business. If you can move to the next slide, please. I am required just to give you an excerpt from our forward-looking statement disclaimer statement. So please note that on today's presentation includes forward-looking statements, including within the meaning of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 that relate to, among other things, anticipated future events, financial performance, plans, strategies, and business developments. These forward-looking statements are based on current information, assumptions and expectations of future events that are subject to change and involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in the forward-looking statements. These and other risks are described in our filings with the ASX and SEC, including on our half year annual report. You are cautioned not to rely on forward-looking statements, which are made only as today's date, and the company disclaims any obligation to update such statements. Please refer to the disclaimer slide in the presentation for further information. With that, I'm very pleased to hand over to Chris to kick off the call.

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst

Thanks very much, Kyahn, and I hope that my audio is nice and clear, and I certainly appreciate the introduction. Before Darren Smith, our Chief Financial Officer, goes into the numbers, I thought a bit of strategic framing would be useful for investors to understand where the company is heading and, of course, our key accomplishments in 2025. Next slide, please, Slide 5. Over the last 12 months, we started to put the depth and execution around what has been a multiyear corporate development strategy. It's useful to think of Telix as a platform with these 5 major segments, as illustrated on this slide. Moving from left to right, first up of key focus is our therapeutics pipeline, which has grown significantly and now features 3 programs in pivotal studies, as well as several high potential earlier-stage programs in rare diseases. I'm going to come back a little bit towards the end of the presentation on this topic. Because of the explosive growth of activity in the radiopharma landscape, we have also pivoted to some extent to an internal innovation model alongside our business development activities. Clearly, when big pharma is willing to pay $1 billion for an asset that has been in a few mice, there's clearly an incentive to do in-house innovation. And so we now have a significant set of technical and clinical capabilities around fundamental R&D and discovery technologies. In the middle of this vision and the engine room of the commercial business today is what we call the Precision Medicine business. This is far more than just an ATM machine that throws off a couple of hundred million of cash each year. It's a strategic validation of the targets we develop our therapeutic drugs for. It is more robust and streamlined clinical trials because we…

Darren Smith

Analyst

Thank you very much, Chris. We have today reported a 56% growth in revenue to $804 million. This is in line with our revenue guidance. Notably it's our third consecutive year of double-digit revenue growth. Revenue from Precision Medicine business year-over-year. Can I just ask, I think that the... [Technical Difficulty]

Operator

Operator

Please check your mute button.

Darren Smith

Analyst

This year -- sorry, can people hear me now?

Operator

Operator

Yes, we can hear you.

Darren Smith

Analyst

So this is in line with our uplifted full year guidance. And notably, it's our third consecutive year of delivering double-digit growth -- revenue growth. Revenue from our Precision Medicine business increased 22% year-over-year with EBITDA improving 25% to $216 million, driven by strong demand of Illuccix and the launch of Gozellix. The Precision Medicine commercial performance permitted Telix to self-fund and derisk our investment into our R&D pipeline and commercial infrastructure to drive future growth. Further, 2025 was a year of significant investment, yet we maintained a solid cash balance of $142 million. We achieved this while exercising disciplined cost management. Next slide, please, which is Slide 11. Thank you. We've added this slide for our non-account investors. As at a glance, this slide presents the strength of our business model. The left side of the chart shows our revenue sources and their materiality. The middle of the graph highlights our gross margin in the green and that 94% of the GM is generated from our Precision Medicine business. That is approximately $400 million. As you can see, about half of the gross margin, the red flows om right are invested into our commercial sales and marketing capability, our global supply chain and our corporate functions. But more importantly, flowing right at the top half of the gross margin is approximately $200 million. That's 25% of revenue. And with this, we decide to either invest it in our development pipeline to create future value or recognize it as operating profit. So as business models go, a business that throws off 25% of revenue as operating profit to reinvest in value creation or the bank is pretty damn attractive. Now moving to our traditional P&L. I've spoken to most of the financial highlights on the previous slides, but will take…

Kevin Richardson

Analyst

Thank you, Darren. My first slide, please. Last year, our Precision Medicine portfolio delivered $622 million in revenue, up 22% year-over-year. Importantly, we delivered sequential growth every single quarter. That includes Q3, our most challenging quarter, which was the first full quarter following the expiration of Illuccix transitional pass-through status and the transition to MUC, MUC or mean unit cost reimbursement for a subset of Medicare patients. Q3 allowed us to see the full impact of that change on the business. Even in that environment and despite ongoing competitive pressure, we still delivered 3% quarter-over-quarter dose growth and 1% sales growth. That performance speaks to our disciplined approach to business fundamentals and the strength of our customer-facing team. We continue to gain share based on clinical differentiation and operational reliability, our PSMA agents demonstrates fewer indeterminate bone lesions and higher inter-reader agreement compared to F-18 assets, driving confidence in clinical decision-making. We pair that clinical value with highly specialized commercial organization that engages customers every day and consistently differentiates Telix in the market. Our reputation as an innovator also positioned us for a successful launch of Gozellix. Gozellix was FDA approved in April of 2025, and transitional pass-through status became effective in October, enabling a transitional pass-through supported full launch in Q4 of 2025. We are very pleased with the early uptake and our 2026 full year guidance underscores our strong conviction in the growth outlook for our Precision Medicine portfolio. Today, we are the only company with 2 PSMA agents on the market. This dual product strategy is a competitive advantage, offering different types of customers meaningful choice across economics and scheduling flexibility while reinforcing our commitment to meeting diverse clinical and operational needs. In short, resilient growth, clinical differentiation, disciplined execution and a platform built for sustained growth.…

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst

Thanks very much, Kevin. Great update, and congratulations on all the success that your team had this year. It was a really remarkable year of accomplishment. So moving on to Slide 25, please. In a way, this slide is a simplified version of my opening slide, a highly profitable cash-generative business that would garner, as Darren said, a very healthy revenue multiple. It was a stand-alone business, but it's our engine room. And the future growth trajectory of the business will come from how that cash is invested. Kevin has already shown you very clearly, I think, how the Precision Medicine business alone can grow expansively over the next 5 years based on clinical, regulatory, and commercial inflection points that we expect to achieve this year. So again, I just want to reemphasize the point that the growth trajectory that Kevin has talked about comes from events that will be completed this year. I think it's also important to reinforce our commitment to manufacturing and supply chain. But in the context of our Therapeutics business, it's more than just reliable and on-time dose delivery. It's about R&D cost and efficiency and perhaps most importantly, intellectual property capture. We've learned over the last decade that when we use contract manufacturing organizations, do product scale up, that we simply educate the ecosystem in a way that potentially empowers competition, and we no longer wish to do that. So especially, as our therapeutics go into late-stage trials, this has become an important strategic objective of the company. To be clear, we still use CMOs, but where there's key IP around platforms, targeting agents and certain key isotopes, we are increasingly tackling this in-house or with selected partners. Moving on to the next slide, please. And this slide shows the reason why. As I've…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Laura Sutcliffe with Citi.

Laura Sutcliffe

Analyst

At the risk of potentially making myself a bit unpopular, I think we'd like to understand a bit more about when we might see some data for 591, the safety data. And perhaps given that you said you will disclose at the same time that you go to the FDA, whether the next steps are things that you need to do at Telix or whether you're waiting for the FDA to do something on their end to be able to get to that point?

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst

Laura, thanks for your question. It's not a bad question or an unpopular question at all. So we have had an independent data safety review board that has under the clinical charter of the study has reviewed the data and progressed to randomization ex-U.S. However, in order for us to send the information to the FDA and disclose the information publicly, we need just to complete the clinical case report forms and formally close out and quality control and validate the data because that's obviously what the FDA wants to see. As soon as we have that data -- and I haven't seen it, I'm not privy to it. But as soon as it's available, we will simultaneously disclose it and submit it to the FDA. So we're not waiting on anything from the FDA. It's all on the company side, and you will not have long to wait.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Tara Bancroft with TD Cowen.

Nicholas Lorusso

Analyst · TD Cowen.

This is Nick on for Tara. Congrats on the progress and the strong guidance for 2026. We were hoping that you can dive in a little more on what you've seen in the early innings of the 2-product strategy for Illuccix and Gozellix and how you anticipate that will evolve this year to reach the 25% growth in the precision medicine revenue?

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst · TD Cowen.

Yes. Thanks very much for the question. Kevin, do you want to pick this one up for your wheelhouse?

Kevin Richardson

Analyst · TD Cowen.

Sure. Yes. Thank you for the question. So the 2-product strategy is -- enables us to really manage the economic needs of HOPPS accounts and the way that they perceive and their preference for a reimbursed product over really a non-reimbursed product. As you know, MUC or Main Unit Cost has really kind of changed the environment and the reimbursement environment there as well as the way that the pricing happens in the HOPPS accounts. So being able to have a 2-product company enables us to manage that particular customer type and the self-standing -- or we call them IDTF group -- in a different way as we manage the preference they have for a reimbursement price or one that might be a little more price sensitive. So and then, of course, we have a longer view of the precision medicine business and PSMA specifically, as we think through what over time can happen and what will happen with CMS as they continue to evolve and change reimbursement. So that enables us to kind of manage the ASP, if you will, as the CMS may or look more towards the ASP reimbursement model. So it gives us options in the future without locking down a singular product on that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Shane Storey with Canaccord Genuity.

Shane Storey

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity.

Kevin, I'm going to stick with you, if that's okay. Question on Pixclara. Just maybe some descriptive piece, I guess, around the customer channel there. It's quite different from your PSMA urology presence. Is that potentially a first work example for how the Varian relationship might evolve? Just some thoughts on that, please.

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity.

Kevin, are you there?

Kevin Richardson

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity.

Yes. So I'll take that first then, Chris. So Varian is -- we're really excited about the possibilities in that, a lot focused, of course, on PSMA and Illuccix, Gozellix. And so as we think about that from a commercial perspective, we have a -- what we call a Ninja team. As you know, there's not as many sites as there are that do PSMA prostate scanning as there are that are going to do neuro scanning. So we have a smaller team that's focused on the referral, the neurologist. And the idea behind that is we already have the relationship at the NucMed level. So we're able to drive those patients into the scanner, if you will. And then we have a team that already has the relationships at the other end of that where they're reading it. So the idea is it's a referral and then into the existing relationship we have at the nuclear medicine side. And of course, if that is not an Illuccix or Gozellix site, it gives us good access into those sites, and it's a real competitive advantage to be able to offer these more orphan drug type technologies because of that. Does that answer your question, Shane? Okay. Chris, anything to add?

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity.

All right. No, that's good.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David Stanton with Jefferies.

David Stanton

Analyst · Jefferies.

I might be following a dead horse here, but I just want to make it clear and help you to make it clear. You'll be reinvesting earnings to get close to 0 NPAT for F '26, F '27 and F '28. Is that what the market should be thinking going forward, please? I ask because it's a question I get asked the most.

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst · Jefferies.

Yes, that's fine. No horse is flogged, David. Happy you asked the question. So we're not giving guidance beyond 2026, but it's a reasonable expectation that in 2026 and 2027 that we will be investing -- other than for risk management and for appropriate balance sheet management purposes, we'll be investing the majority of our earnings back into the company, okay? So that's in a number of different areas. That's in R&D. That's also in growing and developing our commercial team. And of course, we continue to also invest in infrastructure and capital works to support the business. So it's not all just R&D, but a profit objective for this year and next year is not the name of the game.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David...

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst

Do you have a further comment, David, that you'd like to ask? All right. Well, we'll move on. This is a very challenging conferencing service, and I apologize to those that are participating.

David Bailey

Analyst

It's a follow-on from Dr. Stanton's question. Just from Darren, there was a clear comment there that I think that the investment in growth will consider the commercial performance. I think that was interesting from our perspective. Just as we look at the sales guidance for '26 and the R&D guidance for '26, should we think that if the commercial performance is at the upper and lower end of those ranges, the R&D will follow? As an extension of that, within the R&D spend, is the earlier stage clinical trials, are they the ones that would potentially be put on hold for a little bit to the extent that the commercial performance doesn't meet expectations?

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst

I can start, Darren, and then maybe if you want to add anything. I mean -- so yes, we've focused -- we've chosen in this presentation to highlight the clinical studies that are the real priorities for the company. So that's the 5 studies, including the BiPASS study. We are obviously going to be investing in other clinical studies this year. And to the extent that we need to make adjustments -- it will be outside of that sort of ring-fenced 5 studies, the 4 therapeutic studies and the BiPASS study. We clearly expect that 2026 is going to be a strong year. We don't expect to have any difficulties in financing our R&D pipeline. But as you have noted, and as Darren, I think, made it very clear, generally, we take the view that our R&D investment is discretionary, and we can make adjustments as required. Darren, do you want to add anything? Okay. I'll take that as a no.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Craig Wong-Pan with RBC.

Craig Wong-Pan

Analyst

Just a question on the 25% growth in Precision Medicine. I was wondering how much growth was coming from markets outside of the U.S.

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst

Sure. I'll answer that one and then maybe, Darren, if you want to chime in on anything that I've missed. Right now, because we only achieved our European reimbursements towards the back end of last year, it's a very small proportion of the revenue is currently ex-U.S. The majority of it is -- 95% of it is U.S.-based. We obviously expect that mix to change over the course of this year and also as we add in other markets, such as Japan, which has a high-value PET -- advanced PET procedure code that's quite internationally competitive. But for the moment, for the most part, the majority of our revenue is U.S.-based.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is coming from Andy Hsieh with William Blair.

Tsan-Yu Hsieh

Analyst

Chris, I want to ask you about the recent collaboration with Atley and Stanford, focusing on astatine-211. So in your pipeline, you have 3 alpha emitters: Actinium-225, you have lead generator that's in progress, and then now astatine having a California supply chain. So I'm curious about your view on this isotope, another short half-life. Just wondering about how it fits into your product portfolio.

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst

Yes. It's a bit of sort of outside of the major sort of activity area. But essentially, we do see value in alpha emitters. The majority of our late-stage programs, as you know, are beta-emitting isotopes. We think that they're going to be a workhorse for the foreseeable future, but we can see ALPHIX coming over the horizon. As you know, most of our clinical stage programs are with actinium. It's probably from a supply chain perspective, the lowest hanging fruit. We have one program, TLX102, which is with astatine that's in early clinical translation. We think that for applications where a targeting agent needs to cross the blood-brain barrier that radiohalogens are a better perhaps a more practical pathway than a radio metal with a chelator. So we are exploring astatine mostly in the CNS setting. Then we do, as you know, have a lead generator that we've developed. It's a very novel and very compelling generator design that we think can be rolled out for large-scale lead production. We currently today do not have any clinical programs using Lead-212, but we have a number of preclinical programs that we expect to take into patients by the end of this year that are not currently disclosed, and they have the potential to use Lead-212. We are exploring several different isotopes. But I think as a company, we've elected to put a proportion -- not a large proportion, but a modest proportion of our R&D expenditure into understanding the future landscape of alpha because we think it has some potential. I hope that answers your question.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David Dai with UBS.

Xiaochuan Dai

Analyst · UBS.

Just on the gross margin for the business, it seems like it's remaining stable at 53%. But then the RLS business, the gross margin has been quite poor. So just thinking about the gross margin for RLS business moving forward, what are some of the key drivers of gross margin expansion for the RLS business that you can provide?

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst · UBS.

Well, I'll just make a comment, and then I'll invite Darren to chime in. So the RLS business -- so just to be clear, when we report the RLS segment, we report the RLS segment purely in terms of third-party products. So these are not Telix products. These are, for the most part, fairly generic nuclear medicine products. And RLS' operating cost is largely covered by delivering those third-party products. So a useful way to think about it is as a subsidized -- third-party subsidized manufacturing infrastructure. When we report the products that go through the RLS network that are Telix products, they are captured in the segmental reporting for precision medicine. So I just really want to make that very clear. So when you say the gross margins for RLS are not very good, it's got nothing to do with Telix's product portfolio. RLS margins -- because these are generic sort of fairly commoditized nuclear medicine products, they have a much, much lower margin. We provided an average margin last year, which I think frees a lot of people out because all of a sudden, we went from mid-60s margins down to mid-50s margins or low 50s margins. That was an average effect across all of the products in the group, including the RLS products. Does that make sense?

Xiaochuan Dai

Analyst · UBS.

Yes, that makes sense. Yes.

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst · UBS.

So yes, so don't be sidetracked by RLS. The most important thing is that when we put our products through RLS, we -- that gross margin number, which we report faithfully for the Precision Medicine business as sort of mid-60%. That's our -- that above-the-line cost is our distributor margin, which clearly is different when we run a product through our own pharmacy network. Now it's critically important for us to maintain key distribution partnerships in key markets. So we obviously, do pay that above-the-line cost. But when we produce a product that goes through our nuclear pharmacy network, the gross margin is rather different. So you should expect to see, as we have a larger share of our product volume going through our in-house pharmacy network that, that gross margin number has the potential to improve and trend towards 70%.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Andrew Paine with CLSA.

Andrew Paine

Analyst · CLSA.

Maybe one for Kevin, but you mentioned winning in the PSMA is about executing at scale, and we've seen that in the growth and the challenges you've overcome in that market so far. You spent a bit of time talking about this, but how clear is it that moat -- how clear is that moat there for you given the potential competition on the horizon? And also, can you just dig into the changes in camera technology and how you see that as supportive to the sensitivity of PSMA imaging, which may not be fully appreciated?

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst · CLSA.

Well, I think Kevin has done a great job of running through what the competitive barriers to entry, and there are multiple. I mean it's not just product, it's also clinical, it's also manufacturing and supply chain. So I'm not sure what competitor you're talking about that's coming immediately on the horizon. But nonetheless, we see those as, I mean, pretty well enumerated sort of barriers to entry for competition. On the topic of camera technology, generally speaking, we've seen a step change in sensitivity on PET cameras over the last 3 to 5 years because of the demand for PET imaging, not just in prostate cancer, but across a whole lot of indications, including neuro-oncology, neurodegeneration, cardiovascular disease. We're seeing a lot of camera installation going in and the next generation of scanners are in order of magnitude more sensitive. And so that just means that we have to keep abreast of it. We need to make sure that we're running clinical trials and clinical studies that demonstrate the improved utility. We are clearly detecting disease early and earlier. I mean, we have our most recent studies that were done in China, for example, with absolutely state-of-the-art scanners because they're brand-new scanners. We're seeing PSA levels down to fractions of a nanogram per ml. And so the camera technology is part of the complementary story to Tracer development that should not be forgotten about. I think I'll pause there in terms of that particular topic. There isn't too much more else to say. Is there another question?

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Melissa Benson with Barrenjoey.

Melissa Benson

Analyst · Barrenjoey.

So Kevin mentioned you had a full alignment on the agreed deliverables with the FDA for the...

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst · Barrenjoey.

Melissa, I'm sorry, I can't hear you. Now I can hear you. Go on.

Melissa Benson

Analyst · Barrenjoey.

I'm sorry. So I think Kevin was mentioning there was alignment on the agreed deliverables with FDA, [ per the K ]. So I was just wondering if there's anything you can share regarding what those agreed deliverables are, but specifically, if there's any new clinical data required or if it's more preclinical analytical data only?

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst · Barrenjoey.

Yes. Most of the CMC remediation topics are around laboratory documentation, manufacturing documentation and process documentation. We do have a deliverable to the FDA around comparability between the research grade material that we used in the Phase III trial and the commercial scale-up material. But we have that data set well in hand, and it's not a material time delay to the resubmission.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve Wheen with Jarden.

Steven Wheen

Analyst · Jarden.

It's Steve here. So my question was just a bit of an extension of some of the others. But I guess for Kevin, I'm just trying to understand the European market with regards to Illuccix and Gozellix, I guess. Just they've been approved for some time. The launch in the U.S., obviously was incredibly rapid. And just trying to understand what's holding it back or slowing it to not really be much of a feature for your growth in the next 12 months?

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst · Jarden.

Kevin, I can start and then maybe you can finish. I mean, it's not that it's not a feature. It's just that the European market has a very different reimbursement landscape. The U.S. has a much more immediacy between product approval and reimbursement, whereas in Europe, sometimes there can be as long as 9 or 12 months delay between product approval and reimbursement. And there's simply no material product sales until you have reimbursement. It's also not a class reimbursement. It's an individual product reimbursement in most countries. So until you have reimbursement, you simply don't have material sales. So for the -- what you would classify as the traditional EU 5 countries, we have only just received reimbursement in some of them. Kevin, I don't know if you want to add anything there?

Kevin Richardson

Analyst · Jarden.

Yes, there's very little other color to add in my prepared remarks, which was really 2025, the international team under that direction was really focused on gaining market access through reimbursement. And now we in that EU 5, the plans now are to execute those market launches. And so you'll see that as we continue to grow in 2026 as we execute against that launch. But Chris is right, in each country is different, each product is different. So it takes a bit to get that approved in the system and then begin the launch. So we're in the midst of that right now.

Steven Wheen

Analyst · Jarden.

Can I just ask an unrelated question just with regards to your R&D the expensing of Zircaix through the R&D line, is there a shelf life for that particular inventory just with regards to just noticed your comment that there is the potential once it's approved by the FDA that, that could then come back and be backed out of the P&L?

Kevin Richardson

Analyst · Jarden.

Yes, that's right. That's our expectation. And the shelf life goes far beyond the launch time of the product.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is a follow-up from Shane Storey with Canaccord Genuity.

Shane Storey

Analyst

Sorry for extending the time, everyone. My question was going to come off the back of Melissa's question actually on Zircaix and except everything you've just said there. But just as far as how we should think about FDA's review phase once the resubmitted BLA is accepted, we've been sort of assuming 6 months. I just unsure how the breakthrough status and priority review might influence that, if at all?

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst

Yes. We don't know yet for Zircaix. For Pixclara, we have a reasonable idea that it's going to be a rapid review also because it's a single a single issue CRL. We could imagine for the Zircaix review because there is a number of issues that it may take longer, but we haven't received guidance yet from the FDA on this topic. We will be engaging with the agency shortly on this topic as we are preparing to resubmit, but we won't know that information for a little bit when it comes to Zircaix. No worries. But I do note that it has a breakthrough designation. And I actually want to compliment the agency. They've been highly engaged, very helpful, very proactive. They gave us a lot of extra time around the Type A meeting that they really didn't need to do. So we feel like it's a pretty good collaboration, and we're working with the agency towards the drug approval and nothing less than that. Okay. I think I have a feeling that we're wrapping it up there. I don't know if there's any more questions coming through.

Operator

Operator

We do have a final question, a follow-up from David Stanton with Jefferies.

David Stanton

Analyst

Saving the best for last. Chris, just I note that you've talked to a Part 2 interim analysis in calendar '26. I wonder if you could sort of give us any kind of timeline as to when that might be? Is it third quarter? Is it fourth quarter? What should we be thinking there?

Christian Behrenbruch

Analyst

Yes. Obviously, I get increasingly reluctant to estimate timelines on clinical trials because [Technical Difficulty] by like to the day or to the week rather than to the quarter. But right now, the Part 2 study is recruiting really nicely. We're seeing good site expansion and getting plenty of patients consented into the study. That interim analysis is based on about 80 or 90 events, I don't know the exact number, sometime -- somewhere around that. And we would expect that, that should lead based on the current recruitment trajectory for some time in Q4 of this year for that futility analysis to read out. So that's the reason why we have it sitting there in the calendar for this year. Well, I think that was the last question. I just want to apologize profusely to all the attendees for the audio challenges we've had today. It's a new conference provider. I'm not sure we'll be using it again in the future. But I just wanted to thank you for your questions and for your attention. Obviously, if there are follow-up questions, we'll be happy to receive them directly and follow up in due course. Thank you for your time today.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.