Good morning and welcome to Taylor Morrison's Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce Mackenzie Aron, Vice President of Investor Relations.

Thank you. We appreciate you joining us for Taylor Morrison's Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. With me today are Sheryl Palmer, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Dave Cone, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Sheryl will begin the call with an overview of our performance and market outlook, while Dave will take you through the highlights of our financial results, after which we will be happy to take your questions. [Operator Instructions] Let me remind you that today's call, including the question-and-answer session, includes forward-looking statements that are subject to the safe harbor statement for forward-looking information that you will find in today's news release. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations and projections. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, those factors identified in the release and in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and we do not undertake any obligation to update our forward-looking statements. I would also like to remind everyone that we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures on the call, which are reconciled to GAAP figures in our earnings release, which is available on the Investor Relations portion of our website. With that, let me turn the call over to Sheryl.

Thank you, Mackenzie, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate the opportunity to update you on our recent results and business strategy. Certainly, the year has unfolded differently than we could have ever anticipated. Yet, I'm so pleased with how our team has navigated the unprecedented environment, while also working through an integration, allowing us to deliver our stronger-than-expected third quarter performance. Our adjusted diluted earnings per share increased 53% year-over-year to $1.01, excluding transaction-related expenses and refinancing charges, while our GAAP diluted earnings per share was up 38% to $0.87. Building upon the rebound in activity that began in May, our sales remained strong throughout the third quarter. Our net orders increased 74% year-over-year, driven in part by the benefit from our acquisition of William Lyon Homes in February and a continuation of robust demand. This marked notable acceleration from 23% growth in the second quarter. Our monthly absorption pace increased 53% year-over-year to 3.8 sales per community, the highest quarterly level in our public company history. By month, our sales pace was up by nearly 70% in July, just over 55% in August and approximately 40% in September. Despite leaning more heavily on price to appropriately manage our backlog, our absolute sale pace remained in a relatively consistent range throughout the quarter and has even accelerated thus far in October from September's run rate and is expected to be up more than 50% year-over-year for the month, reflecting the remarkable resiliency in today's housing market. Our industry is clearly benefiting from several tailwinds, including historically low interest rates, limited inventory and a shift into the new home market by consumers in search of clean, healthy and functional spaces for their families. These trends have magnified favorable demographics that were in place prior to the pandemic and will likely persist…

Thanks, Sheryl, and good morning, everyone. I am pleased with the strong financial results we delivered in the quarter. We also made further progress in deleveraging our balance sheet as we refinanced a portion of our 2023 and 2025 senior notes in July and then paid off the remaining balance of those same notes in September for a total reduction of $285 million paid with cash on hand. We also paid down $200 million of our corporate revolver. These actions will lower our annualized interest expense by approximately $21 million. As a result, our net debt-to-capital ratio declined by over 400 basis points sequentially to 41.6% at the end of the third quarter. Since our acquisition of William Lyon Homes in February, we have reduced our net debt balance by a total of $497 million, or approximately 17% as we have efficiently reduced the leverage assumed in the transaction at a pace faster than originally projected. Given the progress made thus far, we now expect our net debt-to-capital ratio to decline to approximately 40% by year-end and the high 30% range by the end of 2021. Overall, our balance sheet is in strong shape with nearly $1 billion of total available liquidity, including approximately $550 million of cash on hand. Going forward, we will continue to look for ways to opportunistically manage our balance sheet with an eye towards further deleveraging. In addition, we intend to pay down all or substantially all the remaining revolver balance by the end of the year. The robust sales environment that Sheryl discussed left us with a company record backlog of 7,761 units, representing a sales value of approximately $3.8 billion, up 48% from a year ago. We are focused on managing our production schedules to deliver these sold homes in a timely manner…

Thank you, Dave. To wrap up, I would like to share a few thoughts about where we go from here. Over the last 7 years, we have completed 6 acquisitions, expanding our total market count by 1/3 since 2013 to '21. We have calibrated our footprint to ensure we are located in the markets that have the strongest macroeconomic drivers in place to drive sustainable, long-term growth through a full housing cycle. We have also expanded our local market share to provide critical operating efficiencies and greater depth in each of our consumer segments. This intentional transformation of the organization has provided us with a national platform that is focused on generating industry-leading returns. While we still have significant work ahead of us to achieve our long-term strategic goals, our top priority is demonstrating the benefits of our expanded scale. With the team, portfolio and products in place, we see opportunity to leverage our size to reduce construction costs, utilize our industry-leading virtual sales tools to streamline overhead and optimize our balance sheet to drive sustainable cash flow growth to reinvest into the business and maximize returns. We are committed to taking full advantage of our competitive strengths as we get through the final stages of our latest integration effort and enter 2021 as a fully aligned team. Before we move to Q&A, I want to end with a note of gratitude to our teams for their tireless commitment to our organization and customers. I'm excited about our outlook and look forward to continuing to update you on our progress in the coming quarters. And lastly and most importantly, I sincerely hope each of you and your families has been healthy during these times, and I wish you the best as we continue to move forward. Now I'd like to open the call to your questions. Operator, please provide our participants with instructions.

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Carl Reichardt of BTIG.

I wanted to ask just about California, Sheryl, given your expanded presence there. Can you just talk to me a little bit about how the coastal markets are comparing to the inland markets? And then as you look at your mix in California into '21 and maybe overall, at the company, how is it shifting more towards smaller entry-level homes, more linage type of stuff? And is that going to help your absorption rate next year given their comps are going to be quite hard?

Well, thank you, Carl. Absolutely. So California is the tale of a number of stories. If I start in Southern California, obviously, you know that was home-based for the Lyon acquisition. So our business there is up 5, 6x in totality. More importantly, I think the market -- the paces that we've seen throughout the Southern California business has almost doubled. And we're seeing that interestingly enough, Carl, across the entire business there. Certainly, the paces are higher in the Inland Empire at the more affordable levels. The other shift we have in California is that business probably used to be 65%, 75% spec. And now it's probably moving to a more 50-50. And I think as we look forward, we'll even see even a stronger to be build business. The IE, to your point, has rarely seen accelerated demand. I mean, with folks being able to work from home, what used to be kind of far out is actually not at all. Probably an honorable mention to the Bay, as long as we're talking about California, because we've seen such a shift there as well. I mean there were a number of quarters late last year, earlier this year that we talked about some of the pressures in the Bay. We've seen some of the best paces over the last quarter that we've seen in a couple of years. Part of the contribution there is a real shift in our ASP down over the last couple of quarters with the -- we had already started down that road. And then certainly, with the addition of William Lyon, it's only helped us.

Okay. And then, Dave, can I ask just sort of what do you think, given how fast you've been able to reduce the debt here and as you look going forward, likely you're going to be more cash flow generative on a go-forward basis, too? What kind of target debt-to-cap rate are you looking at for the company overall over time? Is it changing at all? Can you operate with lower levels of leverage?

Yes, Carl. Definitely, I think our perspective has changed. We always said that we're very comfortable operating around the 40% net debt-to-cap ratio, but we are focused on driving down that leverage. And as we commented, we expect to be high 30% by the end of next year. And when we look at our cash needs, we don't have any debt maturing until 2023. We have a strong ability to generate cash flow and really no need to take on additional debt to grow the business. So we're working through our '21 plan right now. So on the Q4 call, I'll probably have a better long-term target for you. But I would expect it to be under what we're saying right now of high 30% range at the end of '21. It's going to be below that, probably on a go-forward basis.

And our next question comes from Mike Dahl of RBC Capital Markets. Chris Swon;RBC Capital Markets, Research Division;Analyst: This is actually Chris on for Mike. For my first question, just a point of clarification. The community count outlook, you said it was going to be flat to 4Q. Is that on average for next year or ending? And how should we expect that to ramp next year? Should we think of that as more back half weighted?

Yes. It's to the average community count for Q4. And then it's going to be somewhat even, I think, as we move through the year. Again, we're finalizing our 2021 plans right now. You'll probably see slightly higher maybe towards the middle of the year. That will probably be kind of more of that peak point for us. And a lot of this just depends, obviously, on our ability to continue with the strong sales demand. We're assuming an elevated pace kind of more in line with what we've seen recently. If we see that move a little bit higher, then obviously, that might accelerate some closeouts. Chris Swon;RBC Capital Markets, Research Division;Analyst: Got it. That makes sense. And then just my second question. You guys mentioned that you've been able to realize pricing to fully meet the inflationary pressures. So I guess when you look past that into next year, how are you guys thinking about the pace versus price given that now that you've kind of lapped the -- or you've positioned yourself to get ahead of the price -- the cost inflation, how should we think about your thinking there?

I think, globally, that's always a tricky question to answer. And as we said in our prepared remarks, I mean if you have a pivot, I would say it's certainly a bias toward price today. We want to make sure that we really do time our sales and our production capacity, hand-in-hand. We make these decisions at a local level at a community-by-community basis. I would tell you that there are markets and communities today that we are metering out sales, and we're releasing lots on every 2 weeks. And there are other communities where we're continuing to run. But once again, if I were to like make a comment across the portfolio, the bias would be toward price. If you look at our historic paces over the last couple of years, we've been somewhere in the low to mid-2s per community per month. You can see we've made tremendous traction this year, and that was certainly one of the objectives of the organization to really focus on pace. Yes, I think you'll find a more natural run rate, somewhere between the 2. I don't think we'll continue to run at the 3.7%, 3.8%, but I don't expect we're going to go back into the mid-2s either.

And just with our low spec inventory, I think that speaks to that focus on price. Inventory is so tight right now. As Sheryl said, we want to maintain kind of that production cadence as well. But with the tight inventory, we're going to focus more on price.

And our next question comes from Jay McCanless of Wedbush.

I guess the first one going back to the community count and thinking about '21. With the moves like we're talking about, Sheryl, to further outreaches of the Inland Empire, are you all looking at shifting maybe some openings? Or do you have the flexibility to shift some of your openings to these more far-flung regions? Or are you basically kind of stuck to the land plan you had 3 months ago or 6 months ago?

I guess a couple of comments there. When you look across the board and you look at the demand, as I said, we're seeing it in all price points and all consumers. And so good news, right? We're selling faster than we anticipated. Looking forward, that doesn't really allow us to bring in communities sooner. So when I look kind of to '21 I think the formula starts to look a little bit different than we would have thought last year. We'll be generally flat in community count, but we'll expect elevated paces, as we've been talking about, which I think creates a more efficient business. Absolutely with the addition of William Lyon Homes and some of the shifts we had made, we are looking at more affordable positions across the board. And it's more than just the Inland Empire. I really think it's about how you control that land. As you know, we've talked enough times about the average size of our communities has moved down a bit. So that you can be prepared for anything the market gives you. Because right now, those communities and those paces are doing very well. But when interest rates move over time, we're not going to put all of our eggs in that one basket. So I do like the diversity of our portfolio. I think with that strategy, you should expect to see significant closing growth next year. The team is just so focused on kind of longer-term growth. I'll kind of move that to just our ramp-up in land spend in Q3. We approved probably 2 to 2.5x the land in Q3 than what we've done for probably the last 5 years. So once again, it's about how we control that, but it's really across all price points, including the more affordable price points, but also in active adults and that first-time move-up.

I think the same can be said, we're trying to accelerate our spend on the development side as well. But it's obviously a long runway to get there. That's not going to impact '21 as much. It's hopefully going to set us up for a stronger '22, '23.

That's great. And then wanted to ask on cycle times. Where are those running now and availability of labor, municipal headwinds? Can you just talk around that and what impact those are having on cycle times?

Sure. Cycle times overall are generally flat to slightly better than this time last year. Surprisingly, we haven't seen much impact of cycle times at least yet related to the pandemic but we're continuing to watch this closely and working with our trades and municipalities. I expect some level of pressure in Q4 as builders are trying to deliver their year. That's kind of more of the normal course. I think municipalities have probably been most impacted from the pandemic as far as their availability. That said, I think they've done a fairly nice job working with us and working across the industry to help us get either communities open or deliver closings.

Yes. I think it's about how you look at the cycle times. I mean, if you look at, to Dave's point, kind of start to delivery we really haven't seen much movement. Now, not to say there's not pressure points at different parts of the cycle, and we'll see that continue through the end of the year. And I believe given the ramp-up across the industry, we see that continue through next year. But that's kind of what we do. I think the greater impact has really been in this virtual environment from the municipalities, right? I mean, pulling a permit today is very different than what it used to be. And some have gotten their arms around it. And others are still struggling. So you've seen some permit movements. So we've been really trying to dissect our kind of cycle times to look at where are we from sale to actual start and how do we continue to improve that and help the municipalities? And then how do we retain the cycle times on the construction, the vertical side of the business.

And our next question comes from Jack Micenko of Susquehanna.

You all have really done some creative and things around the share buyback following some of these acquisitions. And I guess the question taking into account some of the leverage comments Dave made earlier. Dave, with that excess capital, with the cash flow going forward, is your -- it sounds like your push for now is on deleveraging over buyback. Is that the right way to think about it?

Yes. Let me add a couple of points, and I'll work into answering that question. Obviously, 2020 has been very interesting from a capital allocation perspective with the pandemic. Right now, we're feeling really good about our cash position, overall liquidity. And that's with the recent pay down, as we mentioned, the $200 million on our revolver, plus the $285 million that we did on the most recent refi, and like I said, no debt coming due until 2021. At this point, we've essentially returned to our normal capital allocation philosophy of reinvesting back into the business through land and development spend. So Sheryl said, you mentioned that...

You said '21.

Oh, sorry, no debt due till 2023, sorry. We -- like I said, we're back to spending on land and development spend. Sheryl mentioned, Q3 for us was a big quarter as far as deals that we've approved. From there, we're going to look at paying down the debt and the shares both depending on several factors. We have about $8 million left on our current share repurchase authorization. We'll obviously look at maybe extending that and increasing that as we go through our '21 plan work. But we're going to continue to invest with the cash we generate, and that's going to be in a way that we can avoid any kind of drag on our return. When we look at how we're going to allocate that capital, it's going to be up against the cost of land, where the stock is trading and where interest rates are in the debt market. I'd tell you right now, given all those factors, we're probably leaning a little bit more towards the debt deleverage just given the current macro environment.

Okay. I noticed the capture rate in the mortgage business is up quite nicely year-to-year. I mean thinking a part of that is probably integrating the William Lyons business into the Taylor Morrison piece. But Sheryl, is any of this being driven by this increased virtual? Meaning you've got what's coming directly to you. There's less of that broker influence, consultative referral. Is that -- is the more direct-to-consumer approach that virtual has allowed also helps -- help the capture rate? Is that number in the mid-80s sustainable do you think?

That's just a fascinating question, to be honest, Jack. I had not correlated the two, I'm embarrassed to say. The virtual environment has certainly changed our relationship with the consumer. And it makes sense that the folks that are operating 100% virtual, that our process and our virtual mortgage process has made that customer experience so much easier. Very difficult for me to quantify. In addition to that, in all honesty, early in the pandemic, we did do a promotion on closing costs. So that would have helped it a bit. But I actually think the capture is coming through the sales and the service experience that Taylor Morrison Home funding provides our customers, the ease of the experience, all of our virtual tools. And as I probably talked about on last quarter's call right when the pandemic hit, I mean, we are -- that team, our mortgage team went to work to protect that backlog, lock in rates, all those things that literally they jumped on day 1 that kept our can rate so low. So I think it's not just one thing, but I will now look for the correlation on -- if I look at the deals that we're seeing completely virtually, I will try to correlate that to mortgage capture. It's a great question.

And our next question comes from Alan Ratner of Zelman & Associates.

Congrats on the great results and glad to hear everyone is doing well on your end. My first question, Sheryl, you guys do a lot of great work on the buyer segments. And I'm curious because we've seen on the mortgage side some pretty significant increases in second home demand. And I'm curious, I know it's probably not a big part of your business, but I'm curious if you're seeing any increased activity among second-home buyers in your business right now?

Yes. I think we are. It's modest. It's not a subset that will rise to a consumer set at this point, Alan. But I think we are seeing it absolutely in the active adults that, that consumer is returning. That's always been a good part of that business. And our highest paces in the quarter were the active adult business, which is just fascinating. If you look at the low that we had had 1 and 2 quarters ago, where the only business we could really see there was in state. Because they weren't getting on planes. Now they're driving further. In fact, I was just looking at the out-of-state numbers. And this past quarter, we were pretty close to our normal run rate on out-of-state. So I think that's where we're capturing the greatest piece of that second home market.

Interesting. Second, you talked a lot about the price versus pace dynamic and how closely you guys are watching affordability. And I'm curious if you could share with us any particular metrics maybe you're looking at. Prices are up a lot, obviously. Rates are down. So is there a particular metric, whether it's monthly payment, debt-to-income that you kind of have on your dashboard is something that might be an indicator that things are going up too much? And just curious if there's any anecdotes you can give us about maybe instances where you actually have seen some resistance to price increases? Or do you feel like across the board, there really hasn't been?

Thank you for that question. It's a really good one. Yes, there's a couple of places. I'll start with your second question first. There's a couple of places where I think pricing create a little sticker shock and we took a pause, let the consumer adapt. But I would say, generally, the price increases across the business before we get to the affordability question, have been well received. And as you can see by our paces, they have not slowed down absorptions at all. Interestingly enough, Alan, on the affordability side, I probably haven't quoted this for a couple of quarters. But you'll recall that we used to on a pretty regular basis talk about that cushion in the both the FHA and the conventional buyer on what they are spending and what they can afford to buy. And either you would see that in added interest rate or you'd see that in buying a bigger house. So all of the stats that you articulated absolutely we're watching. But what I think summarizes them well is just the rate cushion they have. And we're seeing on the FHA side, still somewhere between 300 and 500 basis points. So once again, they could afford a rate somewhere between 300, 500 basis points than what they are locking in today or they can buy a bigger house. And on the conventional side, it's actually increased, Alan. It's something closer to 600 to 700 basis points. I mean, that is significant. And so it talks a lot about where rates are, but I think it talks more to the way the consumer is looking at their relationship with their monthly obligation.

And our next question comes from Michael Rehaut of JPMorgan.

This is Maggie on for Mike. My first question is just on the pickup in sales pace that you pointed to in October versus September. And I think that you said that absolute pace was relatively consistent throughout the quarter. But I was just wondering, as you look from that, maybe 40% in September to up in the 50%-ish range in October, is there anything else or any change or improvement that's driving that? Or is that mostly a function of a bit easier of a comp?

No. I don't think it's an easier comp. I just think it's all the factors that we've been talking about, Maggie. It's a really fair question because you would expect a much greater seasonal influence at this point. But if I look at the cost...

From a comp perspective, on a pace, Maggie, our September and October of last year was the exact same amount.

Same number of sales, same pace...

Same pace, same pace.

Same pace. So once again, the first 3 weeks don't make the month. We've got probably 8, 9 days from when we quoted that, but it's a tenth higher or a tenth lower. I think the point for us is that the demand continues strong, and we're seeing it across the board. And that's even with some of the pricing that we're taking, reduction in incentives and increases in base prices that we're seeing really across the board.

Okay. And then second question, just on those reduction in incentives and the price that you're taking. Could you quantify that at all for us?

There's a range, obviously, by market and by consumer group. We have -- as I said, I think in my remarks, we have probably a little greater opportunity in that move-up, active adult buyer. But somewhere in the 2% to 3% on average. I think we've got places where we're seeing stronger increases, and you've got some where you're kind of in the 1%. But I would say the 2%, 2.5% would probably be an average across the portfolio, Maggie.

And we're seeing that in our backlog, not just in the deliveries we had in Q3, but it's still holding strong in the backlog.

And our next question comes from Truman Patterson of Wells Fargo.

Actually, this is Paul Przybylski. First, I guess, from your commentary, it sounds like you're just wanting to get your spec package for next spring back to on par with where it was this year. Is there any particular reason given strong market dynamics that you wouldn't want to try and push that a little bit higher?

It's a great question, Paul. A couple of things there. When -- we're trying to get it back. I think that's fair that you want to operate with a certain level of spec inventory and be available for those consumers that have an immediate need from a moving. Having said that, where we've got -- I'll take a market like Phoenix, where we probably have a 2-month backlog pretty much across the country, a 2-month backlog, still not started, which is about right, when you think about the time to from sale to pulling a permanent starting. If you can fill that pipeline with to-be-builts, and it does a lot for the business. It creates a very strong efficiency in the production cadence. It generally would deliver a higher-margin profile and I think de-risk the business over time because as things slow down, COVID was a great example of that, it's those buyers that aren't as emotionally committed that will be the first to back away, because they haven't picked the lot. They haven't designed the house for their very personal taste. So it's a balancing act for us. We like the shift in the to-be-built business, but we do want to have a reasonable inventory on hand.

Yes. So we're prioritizing where that inventory is going in.

Most affordable.

Yes. Obviously, the most affordable price points is where we would like to see the biggest pickup.

Okay. I guess, with your community count expected to be somewhat flat next year, any color you could provide on the number of fully developed or lots that you can bring to market next year from a growth perspective? If your community count is flat, will you have the number -- an opportunity through increased finished lots to increase your sales?

It's a great question, Paul. And we're going through the planning, and we're not dodging next year because we've tried to give you guys a great amount of color on '21. But we actually have all of our budget meetings next week. That is the million-dollar question. If you think about in April, May, we really slowed down development on any phases that had not started or that we're at a comfortable place until we really understood the impact. So now getting that machine up, both on the horizontal side and the vertical side, is part of what you're seeing in Q4. But on the horizontal side, I think, most importantly, we have to see what that kind of 90-day slowdown does to the capacity in 2021. And that's why we'll be in a better position to give you kind of closing numbers because it's not sales, Paul. You can see that. It's really what can we get in the ground, and when can we get those lots to our construction teams to be able to begin construction.

And just 1 quick final one. You talked about your move to a standardized design package. Some of your peers have quantified margin benefits from that. Do you have any targets you'd like to share with us?

Yes. I'm a little hesitant because it's early days. We have rolled out our Canvas package, which I'm quite excited about. It's about 5 or 6 standardized packages. And we've absolutely seen some margin enhancement in that collection process. And my numbers so far are from the pilot market, which is one market where we saw as much as a couple hundred basis points. We are now live in 7 divisions with probably 4 or 5 more happening before the end of the year or January. And then we have the other 8 probably coming on in the first half. So you'll start to see a pickup. I would say, aspirationally, I would expect that to be a couple hundred basis points. You'll really see the impact of that on the P&L in '22.

And our next question comes from Alex Rygiel, B. Riley.

You mentioned the expectation for sequential improvement in gross margins in 2021. You've addressed this in a couple of different ways on the call. But could you kind of come back and sort of summarize and maybe even quantify some of those drivers to gross margin improvement in 2021?

Yes, Alex, it's a little early for me to quantify that. As I mentioned, we're working on our '21 plans right now, but we do expect accretion. Some of that is going to come as purchase accounting lapses. But more importantly, as we benefit from the synergies from the transaction as well as pricing power. Even with the impact of lumber, we anticipate margin accretion next year. And I can tell you, it gives me some confidence of that as I look at our backlog for the first half of next year. We already see it there. So -- but we'll come back to you with more of the specifics in Q4 as we finalize our plans.

And circling around to land purchases, what does the availability look like right now out there in the marketplace? And how has the cost of land changed subsequent to COVID?

That's a great question. It's competitive. But if you would have asked me that question anytime in the last 20 years, I probably would have answered it pretty similarly. We didn't really see a blip with COVID. Maybe the only blip we saw was we got land sellers to delay action. So no change on price, no change on cost, but maybe we got a little bit more time on takedowns, finalizing, going hard on deals, but that was short-lived. No real change in our underwriting at this point as we look forward. But I would tell you, the market is competitive. Sellers have very high expectations given the paces you're seeing in the builder community. People are moving through their land quicker than anticipated, and the sellers are pretty savvy and see that. And so it's more of the same. I can't tell you there's any great deal. But like I said, it's -- our teams are doing a tremendous job navigating and looking for those opportunities and building on the relationships they have in the markets.

And our next question comes from Alex Barrón of Housing Research Center. Alex Barrón: Great job in the quarter. Dave, I was wondering, should we expect any further transaction expenses related to William Lyon next quarter? Or are we pretty much done?

Alex, there's probably going to be a little bit I would say maybe $4 million to $6 million that will probably see come through in the fourth quarter, but that should largely take us to the end. Alex Barrón: Got it. And the other question I had was you guys got some pretty good leverage in the financial services segment. Is that something that we think we can continue to expect going forward?

We're going to probably see that moderate a little bit into '21. Some of that is just the way that we're doing some of the incentives. So like I said, it will moderate a little bit, but we'll give you some more detail on that in Q4.

And it's a secondary market lift, but that's all very timing related. The teams did, as I said earlier, just a tremendous job taking advantage of, when we came out of COVID, how we locked the secondary market. So hard to say that it will continue at that level, but I think we'll continue to see the strong capture and then we'll see how the secondary market treats us.

Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Sheryl Palmer for any closing remarks.

Thank you for being with us today. Appreciate the opportunity to share our Q3 results, and wish you all a very good quarter. Stay safe.

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.