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Turning Point Brands, Inc. (TPB)

Q3 2016 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 10, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Turning Point Brands Third Quarter 2016 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. Now I'd like to turn the conference over to Mark Stegeman. Please go ahead, sir.

Mark Stegeman

Analyst

Thanks, ma'am. Good morning, and thank you for joining our call. I'm Mark Stegeman, Chief Financial Officer of Turning Point Brands. As is customary, today's call is being recorded and will be available on our website. Earlier today, we issued a press release outlining our 2016 third quarter results. You can access that release from the IR section of our website, www.turningpointbrands.com. On today's call, we will review our third quarter results and a few other things that we'd like to highlight. And after that, we'll it open it up to Q&A. Participating with me today on the call our Turning Point Brands President and CEO, Larry Wexler; and Jim Murray, Senior Vice President of Business planning. Today's remarks contain forward-looking statements and projections of future results. I direct your attention to the forward-looking and cautionary statements disclosure in today's press release on our website and the Risk Factors in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission for a review of the various factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from projections or forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements and projections are not guarantees of future performance and should not place undue reliance upon them. Except as provided by federal securities laws, we undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements. We may also discuss today certain non-GAAP financial measures. These measures and reconciliations to the GAAP information along with the reasons management believes they provide investors with useful information regarding the company's financial condition and results of operation are set forth in the press release. I will now turn the call over to Larry Wexler, our Chief Executive Officer.

Lawrence Wexler

Analyst

Thank you, Mark, and good morning to everyone on the call. I'm excited to discuss our third quarter results. We saw the company generating near-record net income and growth in retail market share in chew, MST, cigar wraps and cigarette papers. This morning, I will discuss the factors affecting third quarter and year-to-date results and later Mark will break down the financials and review the positive changes taking place in our balance sheet. But first, I want to discuss an acquisition we announced last Friday that emerged from our strategy to pursue attractive consolidation opportunities in a fragmented OTP market. We signed an agreement to purchase 4 strong regional chewing tobacco brands and a twist tobacco brand from Wind River Tobacco Company of Springfield, Tennessee. The acquisition of these brands will boost our chewing tobacco market share by approximately 2 points to around 27%. Most importantly, the transaction provides a plug-and-play opportunity to drive future growth. We can leverage our core competencies and sales force execution to further expand a retail footprint of these brands. Currently, the brands are only available in approximately 25% of the U.S. chewing tobacco market, primarily concentrated in the Central and South Atlantic regions. For the quarter, Wind River had a 2.2 market share, up 0.3 points from the prior year. Importantly, the Wind River chew brands command a 1/8 share in stores in which they've achieved distribution, as measured by MSAi. So when I talk about retail brands that have compelling consumer equity that could be expanded, this is a great plug-and-play illustration. There's lots of upside. The acquisition was attractively priced at approximately $2.5 million, and we expect future operating margins to reflect the strengths of the brand. The transaction fits into our thesis of acquiring brands or companies which may not been…

Mark Stegeman

Analyst

Thanks, Larry. This was yet another milestone quarter for Turning Point Brands as we delivered near record net income, strong operating results and began successfully executing against our consolidation and acquisition strategy. As we've consistently mentioned, our quarterly results can be a bit volatile and we remain focused on long-term trends, genuine consumer satisfaction and long-term value creation for our shareholders. Therefore, I will focus most of my attention on year-to-date results. Now overall for Turning Point Brands, our sales for the quarter were $51 million and net sales for the 9-month period increased 1.3% to $152.4 million. Gross profit for the quarter was $25.4 million, and for the 9 months was up 2.1% to $74.1 million. Gross margin in the quarter was 48.3% and for the 9 months expanded 30 basis points from a year ago to 48.6%. SG&A expenses for the quarter were $12.7 million compared to $11.8 million in the 2015 quarter. Let me walk you through the third quarter SG&A expenses so that you have a full appreciation of the ins and outs for each quarter. Reported third quarter 2016 SG&A was $12.7 million, which included $900,000 in non-recurring which was $300,000 higher than a year ago. $200,000 in recurring public company costs, which we did not have a year earlier; and three, expenses for strategic initiatives were unfavorable in the quarter by $400,000. SG&A expenses for the year-to-date period were $40.6 million versus $39.4 million. For the 9 months, SG&A expenses included $1 million in nonrecurring launch costs, which were favorable to a year ago by $0.5 million; $500,000 in strategic initiatives, which were favorable versus 2015 by $1.7 million; nonrecurring expenses related to the year ago warehouse reconfiguration were favorable by $400,000; and lastly $400,000 in nonrecurring -- excuse me recurring public company costs,…

Lawrence Wexler

Analyst

Thanks, Mark. As we wrap up, I would like to leave you with some key takeaways about company and opportunities ahead. Our core tobacco portfolio is performing exceptionally well as we drive not only Stoker's MST, but also Zig-Zag in the smoking space. Our sales staff expansion and product investments are poised to generate long-term organic net sales growth. The brands acquired from Wind River provide immediate market share and the potential to expand beyond the 25% of markets where it's presently sold. We think there are great opportunities remaining for consolidation in the OTP industry. The products of smaller company facing FDA uncertainty can benefit from the strengths of our team of regulatory professionals, brand managers and our sales force. We continue to focus on increasing our financial flexibility by reducing debt with a target net debt adjusted EBITDA of 2.5x to 3.5x. As mentioned earlier, we are presently under 4x. We believe we have the right strategy at the right time to grow our business. We're an innovative and nimble company, pursuing targeted long-term growth, ultimately by delighting consumers with truly great products. We appreciate your participation in today's conference call. And with that, I'll open the floor up for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Vivien Azer of Cowen.

Vivien Azer

Analyst

Just wanted to start off on the transaction, please. And if you could give us a little bit of color on how we should think about the impacts, both to the top line as well as to gross margin?

Lawrence Wexler

Analyst

Vivien, as we've talked in the past, we basically have a acquisition strategy that has 3 sort of targets. The first is plug-and-play products that we can easily take -- put on our price list and start distributing them, take away out some of the overhead and immediately increase the profitability of those products. That fits in that particular -- this acquisition fits in that particular activity. Second one is the brands with -- that have a strong presence in regional parts of the country that have lacked the national distribution or widespread distribution. We think these brands do. They have 1/8 share in the stores in which they sell. And we believe that there's upside in taking these brands into new stores and new geographies. The third one is that snap on infrastructure to get us into new channels and new markets. This one does not fit that criteria. So basically, it fits 2 out of the 3 criteria. This is a relatively small acquisition even for a company our size. The point is not the size. The point is that these are brands that we believe have some growth potential and we think will provide some very nice returns considering the size of the investment.

Vivien Azer

Analyst

Okay, that's helpful. But just to circle back on that, can like you quantify at all like what we should expect of each in terms of impact on the top line or to margin, please?

Mark Stegeman

Analyst

Yes. We've got -- okay, just to give you just an order of magnitude. The sales that we're picking up over the last 12 months were a little less than $3 million. And as we don't disclose margins on any individual product groups, their margins run a little bit less than our current margins in that area.

Vivien Azer

Analyst

Perfect. That's exactly what I needed. On the purchase of the MST manufacturing, how do we think about that in terms of the margin profile for the segment going forward?

Lawrence Wexler

Analyst

Okay. Well, obviously, we'll be staying in the current facility. So there's no impact on operations. The way to think about it is that lease cost will go down and we'll be picking up some noncash depreciation and some interest expense. The interest on the facility is roughly in line with what our current lease payments are, so is the way to think about it. Does that give you the answer to your question?

Mark Stegeman

Analyst

Yes. Depreciation being right around 50,000 a year.

Vivien Azer

Analyst

Okay, got it. And then...

Lawrence Wexler

Analyst

Let me just add -- Vivien, I'm sorry, let me just add something to that. The important thing is it really gives us flexibility to lay the place out, lay the factory out the way we want to and to make some changes to it, which the former owner was not particularly cooperative with. So this does gives us some operational flexibility.

Mark Stegeman

Analyst

Yes. And we've got great group of very productive employees down there that really do a super job [indiscernible].

Vivien Azer

Analyst

Got it. That's great. And then, on NewGen, clearly the industry kind of adjustments or shift in consumer purchase behavior continue to impact your business. You called out Primal as having contributed in the third quarter. So I was wondering if you could offer some color on how big of a benefit Primal was, just so we can have a better sense of what the underlying business is actually doing?

Lawrence Wexler

Analyst

The rollout started midway through the third quarter. You're really talking about pipeline level quantities. So it wasn't particularly material. For -- compared to the overall company sales.

Vivien Azer

Analyst

Okay. But the NewGen segment did post higher net sales on a sequential basis, so I'm just curious what was that all Primal?

Lawrence Wexler

Analyst

Okay. I see where you're coming from. Think about it as roughly $0.5 million, maybe a little bit less.

Vivien Azer

Analyst

Okay. Got it. And just last one, a housekeeping item. Mark, you called out 1 fewer selling day in 4Q. You also had one fewer selling day in 3Q, so as we kind of look back at our model, where were the extra selling days?

James Murray

Analyst

Vivien, it's Jim. We didn't look back to find that because we found it peculiar also. But there obviously -- for the year, we're down 1 day, so there was 1 extra day. My guess is it was in the second quarter. And as we try and get better on this, we'll be -- as we discover these things, we disclose it here. My guess is we had in the second quarter. I can certainly follow back up. Yes. So there is 1 less for the year versus '15.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Susan Anderson of FBR.

Susan Anderson

Analyst

It was nice to see the Primal rollout too. I was wondering if you could talk about how many stores it's in now in the U.S., and I assume it's in Canada too. Also, I've seen some pretty good reviews online, any early thoughts on how the consumers are responding to the product? And then also, maybe if you could give us some color around the margin differences versus your other products?

Lawrence Wexler

Analyst

Okay. So I can give you some qualitative answer and we consider this grandmother research, which we don't put very much weight into it. The feedback from the sales force is that the products were pretty well received by the trade and the little consumer feedback we've gotten has been positive. But the people who don't like it don't always talk to you. So we're not putting a lot of weight on that at this point. In terms of number of stores, quite frankly, we didn't grab that number. We can follow up with you and get you that if you're interested.

Mark Stegeman

Analyst

Yes. It's not going to be all that significant really. It's initial pipeline volume. We don't have any feedback on consumer adoption. We'll get a better flavor of that in Q4.

Susan Anderson

Analyst

Got it. So I guess, it seems like there's still a lot of opportunity to roll it out to additional stores going forward?

Mark Stegeman

Analyst

Yes. We're just in the beginning, Susan. This is -- it started in the mid-quarter. And as we talked about on past calls, it takes us 9 to 18 months to roll out a product, just given the size of our sales force.

Susan Anderson

Analyst

Got it. Okay.

Lawrence Wexler

Analyst

To answer the balance of the question, Susan, the margin, we don't disclose margins as the segment level or anything like that. But the margins are a little bit stronger than we have in our cigar wraps business.

Susan Anderson

Analyst

Perfect. And then, on the other NewGen products, so the e-cigs and stuff, it looks like then based on the Primal $500 million or so, it looks like -- or $0.5 million, it looks like maybe e-cigs have improved now in terms of the bleeding. Do you think it's getting better from here now?

Lawrence Wexler

Analyst

I think if you look back over the last 4 or 5 quarters, it's sort of in a range, in a fairly stable range.

Mark Stegeman

Analyst

Yes, that's right.

Lawrence Wexler

Analyst

There is continued shifts out of traditional retail to the alternative channels. And layered on top of that, there has been some -- a lot of competitive activity from some of the large tobacco companies. So all in all, it's -- within that context, it's pretty stable.

Susan Anderson

Analyst

Got it. Okay.

Mark Stegeman

Analyst

Susan, I think it's right to characterize it as it does begin to show some stability there. I think the issue that we're facing in the numbers that we print is that we're still facing higher than historic return rates that we called out in the release. And we're hoping that those and expecting them to moderate further. But that's what's the remaining issue right now. I don't think it's consumer demand at this point.

Susan Anderson

Analyst

Got it. Okay. And then any additional color or new thoughts around kind of going into the accessories channel or any inroads, I guess, that you guys have made into there, any thoughts around that?

Lawrence Wexler

Analyst

Yes, we're currently portioning a share of our calls against those channels, which we're making some progress. It's not as fast as I would like at this point. But we're learning a lot and we're getting better at it as we go forward.

Susan Anderson

Analyst

Got it. And then last one just the acquisition pipeline. It sounds like there's a lot of opportunity out there. How should we think about after, I guess, you've probably had some time to review what opportunities there is out there, just kind of the segments where you see the biggest opportunity going forward?

Lawrence Wexler

Analyst

OTP is a pretty diversified marketplace and we see opportunities across almost the entire spectrum. We're just now just trying to sort through which ones we think would have the biggest impact on the company and with the biggest long-term potential. So we're active, just don't want to talk any more about it at this point.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I'd now like to turn the conference back to Mark Stegeman for closing remarks.

Mark Stegeman

Analyst

Thanks, everyone, for joining today's call.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.