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TriplePoint Venture Growth BDC Corp. (TPVG)

Q1 2025 Earnings Call· Wed, May 7, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the TriplePoint Venture Growth BDC Corp. First Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all lines have been placed in a listen-only mode. After the speaker’s remarks, there will be an opportunity to ask questions, and instructions will follow at that time. This conference is being recorded, and a replay of the call will be available in an audio webcast on the TriplePoint Venture Growth website. Company management is pleased to share with you the company’s results for the first quarter of 2025. Today, representing the company is Jim Labe, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board; Sajal Srivastava, President and Chief Investment Officer; and Mike Wilhelms, Chief Financial Officer. Before I turn the call over to Mr. Labe, I’d like to direct your attention to the customary Safe Harbor disclosure in the company’s press release regarding forward-looking statements, and remind you that during this call, management will make certain statements that relate to future events or the company’s future performance or financial condition, which are considered forward-looking statements under federal securities law. You are asked to refer to the company’s most recent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission for important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements. The company does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements or projections unless required by law. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements made during the call, which reflects management’s opinions only as of today. To obtain copies of our latest SEC filings, please visit the company’s website at www.tpvg.com. Now I’d like to turn the conference over to Mr. Labe.

Jim Labe

Management

Thank you, Operator. Good afternoon, everyone. And welcome to TPVG’s first quarter earnings call. Following some positive developments in the venture markets in the fourth quarter, venture capital dealmaking continues to absorb and assess the uncertainties over tariffs, and the broader equity market sell-off and macroeconomic volatility, and the impacts that all of these have on their portfolio companies. With that said, investment activity remains underway and we’re experiencing strong demand from quality venture growth companies, some of which is fueled by this market. Given this backdrop, we continue to remain selective and capitalize on attractive lending opportunities, particularly in the sectors we’re focused on, as we stay on our course of portfolio diversification and investment sector rotation. We also remain focused on proactively managing the portfolio and maintaining our strong liquidity to position TPVG for the future. Q1 signed term sheets with venture growth stage companies at our sponsor, TriplePoint Capital, finished strong and marked the second consecutive quarter of more than $300 million in signed term sheets at venture growth stage companies. It now totals almost $640 million during the last two quarters. Debt commitment to TPVG also increased in Q1, as new debt commitments to venture growth stage companies in the quarter reached two-year highs, and this strong pace continues into this quarter. Fundings for the quarter landed at $28 million and while we’re only slightly past one-third of the way into the current second quarter, we’ve already funded more than $50 million. The Q2 fundings to-date compare favorably with our quarterly fundings guidance, and we believe starts to reflect the early results of the increases we’re experiencing in the signed term sheets, commitments, fundings, and pipeline, as well as the increasing investment activity by our select venture capital investors over the last few quarters. Activity in…

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Thank you, Jim, and good afternoon. Regarding investment portfolio activity during Q1, TriplePoint Capital signed $315 million of term sheets with venture growth stage companies, compared to $130 million of term sheets in Q1 2024 and $323 million in Q4. With regards to new investment allocation to TPVG during the first quarter, we allocated $77 million in new commitments with five companies to TPVG, compared to $10 million in Q1 2024 and $72 million in Q4. 80% of the commitments made during the first quarter were to new portfolio companies in the AI and enterprise software sectors, reflecting our focus on obligors’ diversification and sector rotation. During the first quarter, we funded $28 million in debt investments to five companies, as compared to $14 million to three companies in Q1 and $50 million to three companies in Q4. These funded investments carried a weighted average annualized portfolio yield of 13.3%, down slightly from 13.5% in Q4. TPVG was at the low end of our guided range for fundings, primarily due to timing, with a number of fundings occurring immediately after quarter end, as demonstrated by our $50 million of fundings already here in the second quarter. During Q1, we had $17 million of loan prepayments, primarily from more season loans, resulting in an overall weighted average portfolio yield of 14.4%, as compared to core portfolio yield of 14.1%, excluding prepayments, which was slightly down from core portfolio yield of 14.2%, excluding prepayments in Q4. Four portfolio companies with debt outstanding raised $137 million during the quarter, compared to six portfolio companies raising $96 million in Q4. As of quarter end, we held warrants in 102 companies and equity investments in 48 companies, with a total fair value of $117 million, flat from Q4. As Jim mentioned, no new companies were…

Mike Wilhelms

Management

Thank you, Sajal, and hello, everyone. During the first quarter, we funded debt investment totaling $28 million and had a relatively low level of prepayments and early repayments of $18 million when compared to recent quarters, which resulted in an increase to the debt portfolio by $5 million. With the strong investment pipeline previously mentioned by Jim and the company’s current liquidity strength, we believe we are well positioned to grow our portfolio and create long-term shareholder value. We ended the quarter with $117 million of floating rate unfunded investment commitments, of which $19 million was dependent upon certain portfolio companies reaching specific milestones. This represents a 60% increase from a year ago, reflecting the continued expansion of our investment pipeline over recent quarters. TPVG has ample liquidity to support our existing portfolio companies and satisfy our unfunded commitments. As of March 31, 2025, the company had total liquidity of $337 million consisting of cash, cash equivalents, and restricted cash of $42 million and available capacity under its revolving credit facility of $295 million. Of the $295 million of available capacity under the revolving credit facility, there was $124 million of available borrowing base that could be drawn as of March 31, 2025. We reduced our leverage profile during the quarter, ending with a leverage ratio of 1.10 times. After netting the cash on our balance sheet, our net leverage stood at 0.97 times. Given the cash we have on our balance sheet, the available borrowing base at quarter end and our target leverage range of 1.3 times to 1.4 times, we believe we have the funding capacity to meaningfully grow our investment portfolio. Turning to our operating results, for the first quarter, total investment income was $22.5 million with a portfolio yield of 14.4%, as compared to $29.3 million…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Crispin Love from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Crispin Love

Analyst

Thank you and good afternoon. First, can you share your fundings outlook for the second quarter and beyond? You called out more than $50 million in funding so far in the second quarter. So, have you updated your $25 million to $50 million quarterly fundings guide for 2Q, or more importantly, your expectations for later in the year? And apologies if I missed that in my prepared remarks.

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Oh! Hi, Crispin. This is Sajal. I’ll take it. So, as we said, yes, our outlook for the first half of the year is $25 million to $50 million a quarter. And so, we have not changed the outlook for Q2 on a full year or, sorry, midyear basis when we combine Q1 and Q2. So, we think we’ll make up the shortfall for Q1 here in Q2.

Crispin Love

Analyst

Okay. Sounds good. And then, just looking at the credit metrics, first quarter appears to be pretty stable. No material losses in realized or unrealized and the migration in your credit categories was pretty positive. So, can you speak to your views on credit today, the outlook going forward, especially with the environment being much different today versus the end of the first quarter?

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Sure. And I -- as I said in my prepared remarks, we started off the year seeing really improved market conditions in the venture market. Our portfolio companies increased fundraising activity, increased investment activity by VCs, positive outlook for the capital markets and the exit environment. And so, again, expecting that to bode well for our obligors in credit quality. But obviously, with Liberation Day and other volatility and geopolitical uncertainty, it’s hard to assess that’s a real-time impact. So, I would say, we’re on top of the portfolio monitoring company performance and outlook, and then we’ll adjust accordingly. But also, as I said, listen, we have not seen an immediate impact of tariffs so far to those companies that would be impacted or have some impact. So, I think we’re taking it day-by-day real time, but we have not seen a material impact. But I think it’s hard to comment and outlook for the rest of the year right now, just given the volatile market conditions.

Crispin Love

Analyst

Great. Thank you. It all makes sense and I appreciate the comments, Sajal.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Doug Harter from UBS. Please go ahead.

Doug Harter

Analyst

Thanks. I was hoping you could talk about your willingness to do share repurchase as a way to kind of bring leverage up to the target range versus making new investments and how you think about that tradeoff?

Jim Labe

Management

Mike, do you want to take that question?

Mike Wilhelms

Management

Yeah. I mean, we are -- as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, we have a target leverage of 1.3 times to 1.4 times. So, for us, we’re looking to, as we’ve stated throughout the prepared remarks, grow the portfolio and we plan to do that with debt capital rather than repurchasing any shares that would have the same effect of bringing our leverage up.

Doug Harter

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Casey Alexander from Compass Point. Please go ahead.

Casey Alexander

Analyst

Yeah and thanks for taking my questions. I’ve got a few here. Sajal, in that guide, normally you give us some view of what you expect repayments and prepayments might be during the quarter. Do you have any view of that in the second quarter?

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Yeah. I think, Casey, we still expect, on average, one to two prepayments per quarter. I think, as we saw in Q1 and in Q4, we’re seeing these are from older vintages. So, the impact from an NII perspective is low. So, we don’t expect it to materially impact NII, but we still expect one to two a quarter.

Casey Alexander

Analyst

Okay. And then, secondly, curious how, that was the sale of Revolut. This is like a multi-pronged question. I’m curious how you guys got in there, because you’re not actually employees. Did you have the opportunity to sell more? And also, how did the sale compare to your fourth quarter mark on those shares?

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Yeah. So, I’d say the Revolut launched this process, I believe it was August of 2024. And, as mentioned, it was intended to be an employee-only transaction. And then, over the course of 2024, I guess, based on strong investor demand, they opened it up to a very small percentage to its institutional investors. So, we were able to participate through thanks to Revolut, allowing us and other institutional investors to secondary a very, very small amount. So, it was very much thanks to Revolut and it’s a very controlled process for secondary. So, we don’t see the opportunity unless Revolut opens it up again, which there’s been some talk in the press about potentially another secondary, but it’s all speculation at this point. And then, yeah, generally kind of on par with our mark, maybe a little bit of transaction costs, but I believe generally in line.

Casey Alexander

Analyst

So, the $2.3 million or $2.5 million gain was mostly a reversal of previously unrealized gains then?

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Correct. Correct. Yeah.

Casey Alexander

Analyst

Okay. Great. On Outfittery, it’s great that it was upgraded. I thought I heard you say -- I misunderstood because it sounded like the intention was for it to be repaid, but then I heard extended, and I’m not sure what’s what there, whether you’re using the transaction as an opportunity to exit that loan or if you’re still going to be in it subsequent to the deal?

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Yeah. No. As I mentioned in my remarks, our loan was assumed and our loan was extended. So, we stayed in -- it was a private-to-private, so these are two private companies, so it wasn’t a scenario to be paid off. It was a scenario where we now have the benefit of security, being senior security in an enterprise much larger now with a strong profitability profile.

Casey Alexander

Analyst

Really? I am -- I mean, why would a private -- just a change of control, I thought, would automatically trigger an ability to demand repayment. Am I mistaken?

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Yeah. It was, again, a coordinated consolidation of the company, so I would say it wasn’t a scenario where we wanted to demand repayment or had the opportunity to.

Casey Alexander

Analyst

Okay. And then, back to the share repurchase, I mean, the dividend yield on the stock is 20%. There is likely greater leverage for shareholders in a repurchase than there is in putting new money out. And you have in the past, in the few years after your initial IPO, you did do some substantial share repurchases. I’m curious why the reluctance to do them now when it -- when the math clearly works in favor of shareholders if you do some share repurchases?

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Yeah. I’ll take that, Casey, and then Mike, you can jump in. But I’d say, as Jim talked to, given the pipeline and the line of sight, the portfolio funding, so we can increase our leverage organically through deployment and it’s going to help achieve our objectives of portfolio diversification, obligor diversification and growing NII. So we think, given the line of sight we have to near-term portfolio growth, it’s a better use. And then if we don’t see that portfolio growth, then exploring other options and other ways to, you know, address the dividend yield, address being under-leveraged. But I think where we see the opportunity and the quality and achieving the other strategic long-term objectives for TPVG makes sense to deploy in portfolio growth, because it -- again, it helps us achieve some of the other elements of the playbook that we’ve articulated that are in the better long-term interest of the stakeholders.

Casey Alexander

Analyst

All right. Thank you for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Brian McKenna from Citizens. Please go ahead.

Brian McKenna

Analyst

Thanks. Good evening, everyone. I appreciate all the detail on quarter-to-date funding. Two more questions on that front. Apologize if I missed these, but any sense of the weighted average yield on these investments? I’m curious how this compares to 13.3% reported in the first quarter. And then what does the sector mix of these investments look like?

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Yeah. I’ll take this. So, Brian, generally the 13.3% is kind of consistent with where we were last quarter. So generally the yield asset of the Q1 assets and what we’re seeing here in Q2 as well, obviously down year-over-year, just given the Fed the rates that have come down since a year ago. So I would say that kind of is dealing with the reality, but, again, still attracting high-yielding, high-quality assets. And then as we look at sector rotation, I think that’s even, we’re very proud of the companies that we’ve added, particularly the last two quarters, where not only the majority of our deployment has been into new obligors, but they’ve also been in new sectors or in sectors that we’ve been underrepresented, such as AI and enterprise software. And so, really glad to expo -- increase our exposure to those other sectors and really solid, strong vertical sectors, particularly given the volatility in the market right now.

Brian McKenna

Analyst

Got it. That’s helpful. And then I guess on the portfolio rotation, I mean, where are you in this process? Is there a way to think about how much more the portfolio on a percent basis still needs to be rotated? I’m just trying to think through that a little bit more as well?

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Yeah. I would say we still have a couple of quarters to go, I would say, early in the journey. And it’s not just about sector rotation. It’s about portfolio scale. And so it’s about increasing the earnings power of the business to ensure coverage of distribution. So I’d say early, hard at work. We’re not going to rush it. We’re going to continue to be disciplined as we look at opportunities. So I’d say those are our goals, but we’re not going to get there overnight. We’re going to take our time and do it methodically and thoughtfully.

Brian McKenna

Analyst

Okay. That’s helpful. And then one more follow up, if I may. Just a bigger picture question. So it feels like the industry and your business is finally on the other side of a pretty lengthy downturn here. TriplePoint is operated through a number of different cycles and operating environments over the past two decades. So reflecting back a little bit on the last few years, I mean, is there anything that you’ve learned from this most recent downturn? Anything you maybe would have done differently from a portfolio or business perspective? And then, ultimately, what are you doing today to make sure you’re in the best position to navigate kind of any and all environments moving forward?

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Yeah. I think we’ve answered this a couple of calls. Absolutely. Always learning. So anyone that tells you that they haven’t or shouldn’t or won’t -- it’s not the way to run a credit business. So absolutely. There’s been a fair amount of learning over the past couple of years. Every cycle again, Jim and I have been through multiple cycles together, as you mentioned, over our now 25 years of working together. So I’d say we’re learning every day. And I say it’s different. It’s very much stage sectors, funds, syndicates. I mean, every cycle there’s some new elements. But I would say, the big thing to take away from the past couple of years is, we were operating in a zero interest rate environment. And so we saw business models that were quite capital intensive that both equity investors and lenders were supportive of. And when the cost of capital changed, the market conditions changed. It was harder than we all thought for those high burn businesses to bring that burn back down to more reasonable levels. So I’d say that’s one element. And then I think we definitely saw an element of syndicate issues with non-traditional investors in the cap table. And so VCs act differently than strategics, then act differently than financial investors. And so, they have different alignment in terms of their objectives when they have -- when it comes to pricing, the valuation of a company or protecting an investment. So I’d say these are some of the takeaways, appropriate amounts of leverage vis-à-vis the equity base. So I’d say the great news is, as we deploy now, we’ve learned from the 2025 years, Jim and I together, Jim’s almost 40 years in the industry as a pioneer. And so and we’re excited about what we’re seeing and how we’re deploying today and learning from that and managing through the current environment.

Brian McKenna

Analyst

Helpful. Thanks, Sajal.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Christopher Nolan from Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst

Hey, guys. What percentage of the debt investments are at their floors?

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Mike…

Mike Wilhelms

Management

Roughly 35%. Yeah. Sorry, I jumped in there. Yeah. Roughly 35%. So we have 62% of the portfolio is floating and roughly 35% is at the floor.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst

All right. Can you walk me through this dynamic? Because I’m going to go back to a dug in case we’re talking about these repurchases and it makes no sense to me. You’ve got a good chunk of your investment portfolio no longer at the floor. The forward curve is implying more than one Fed rate cut. Your 10-Q shows that your earnings are impacted by lower rates. Your new investments are show the yields are. Your dividend yield is 20.4%. Your stock is trading 32% below book. And you want to grow the portfolio rather than buy back stock. I mean, it just seems to be a no brainer to buy back stock and aggressively. And I don’t mean to...

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Yeah. I would say…

Christopher Nolan

Analyst

…but it’s a -- this is a real, it’s a real question mark, because who -- I mean, if the Board is signing off on this, you got to ask whether or not they really know what they’re talking about?

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Yeah. I mean, Chris, I’d say so. So, again, I think the again, by virtue of them being at the floors, it means that as rate goes down, rates go down, that we won’t see reduction in yield. So that’s the good news, right? Of having fixed rate, sorry, floating rate loans with prime floors that are locked in. So we won’t see -- we’ll only see the benefit as our cost of capital and the leverage side on our floating or revolving facility reduces. I think the issue, though, is, listen, one of the challenges we have is our concentration and our chunkiness and lumpiness. And so the only way to achieve that plus rotate out of sectors that may be more impacted by recession or other challenging economic environments is to grow the portfolio. So it’s a balance. We’re not saying -- so we’re saying as long as we continue to see, have line of sight of high quality portfolio growth to achieve long-term objectives like portfolio diversification, sector rotation, increasing. Some of the other goals and objectives, making ourselves more diversified, we think that’s the right to navigate in the near-term. And then again, we’re not suggesting in the long-term that isn’t an option or in the realm of possibility. But as we look to the next one to two quarters, we think that’s the best use of capital.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Jim Labe for any closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Jim Labe

Management

Thank you, Operator. As always, I’d like to thank everyone for listening and participating in today’s call. We look forward to updating you and talking with you all again next quarter. Thanks again and have a nice day.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect.