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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Thomson Reuters' First Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. And I would now like to turn the conference over to our host, Frank Golden, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Frank J. Golden

Analyst · Matt Chesler with Deutsche Bank

Good morning, and thanks for joining us as we report our first quarter results. We'll begin today with our CEO, Jim Smith; followed by our CFO, Stephane Bello. Following their presentations, we'll open the call for questions. [Operator Instructions] Now throughout today's presentation, keep in mind that when we compare performance period-on-period, we look at revenue growth rates before currency as we believe this provides the best basis to measure the underlying performance of the business. Today's presentation contains forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties discussed in reports and filings that we provide to regulatory agencies. You can access these documents on our website or by contacting our Investor Relations Department. Let me now turn it over to the CEO of Thomson Reuters, Jim Smith.

James C. Smith

Analyst · Sara Gubins with Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Thank you, Frank, and thanks to those of you on the call for joining us. Today, we will begin with a review of the first quarter results, and I'll update you on the progress we continue to make. I'll then turn it over to Stephane, who will review results in more detail. Now to the results for the quarter. The first quarter performance was consistent with our full year expectation, and I'm pleased with the positive trajectory of the business as we began the year. We are executing more effectively, launching better products, simplifying our systems and processes and managing with more rigor and discipline, which is why our confidence continues to build. Total revenues were up 2%, reflecting good growth from the Legal, Tax & Accounting and IP & Science businesses, but that was offset by a decline in the Financial & Risk revenues. As discussed during the Investor Day, our financial business is making some significant progress, which I'll speak to in a moment. That said, given the subscription nature of our business and its lag effect, our progress will not translate into top line improvement in 2013. F&R's revenue performance this year reflects last year's negative net sales. However, the trends in our net sales performance continues to improve, and we are making tangible progress on the cost side and, in particular, EBITDA margin as we work toward rightsizing the business and bringing down our cost structure in a sustainable way. More on these 2 important metrics in a moment. At the consolidated level, EBITDA was down only 2% despite incurring a severance charge of $78 million, and underlying operating profit declined 7% due to severance and higher depreciation and amortization expenses. Excluding the severance charge, adjusted EBITDA margin was 260 basis points higher than what was…

Stephane Bello

Analyst · RBC

Thank you, Jim, and it's a pleasure to speak with you all today. Let me begin by reiterating what Jim said, that one quarter into the year, we are operating from a much stronger foundation than 1 year ago. We are on track, and our first quarter performance is consistent with our full year expectations. We're not yet where we want to be, but we are moving in the right direction. Now consistent with what we've done in the past, I will speak to revenue growth before currency throughout today's presentation, and reported revenues are also highlighted on each slide. First quarter revenues were up 2% due to acquisitions. Organic revenues declined 1% as expected, primarily due to the lag effect from negative net sales in F&R last year. At a high level, our Professional businesses grew 6% during the quarter, 2% organic, while F&R declined 1% and was down 3% organically. More on that in a moment. Adjusted EBITDA was down 2%, and the related margin declined 70 basis points, reflecting $78 million of severance charges as well as the flow-through from lower organic revenues. The severance charges masked the continuing progress we are making to rightsize the business and bring down our cost structure in a sustainable way. Underlying operating profit declined 7%, and the margin decreased 130 basis point to 14.9%, reflecting severance charges and higher depreciation and amortization expense from recent product launches and acquisitions. Foreign exchange had a 30 basis point negative impact to both our EBITDA and underlying operating profit margins in the quarter, and we believe that the first quarter represents the low watermark for EBITDA and operating profit margins for the full year. Now let me provide you some additional color on the performance of our individual businesses, starting with our Legal…

Frank J. Golden

Analyst · Matt Chesler with Deutsche Bank

Great, Stephane, and thank you. And we would like to go to the Q&A session. So operator, if we could have the first question, please?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question today comes from the line of Drew McReynolds with RBC.

Drew McReynolds - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · RBC

Just on -- my one question on organic revenue growth. Just with the performance within Trading down 6%, obviously, I think a little bit worse than what folks were looking at. Just wondering if you could provide a little bit more granularity on that one. Obviously, you restated kind of sell-side FX in the Marketplaces, just wondering if that had an impact. And then also, in terms of the Eikon migration within Trading, are we seeing a little bit more kind of customer churn kind of arise if you look at kind of that net sales dynamic in the back half of last year and how it's flowing through right now?

Stephane Bello

Analyst · RBC

Drew, it's Stephane. I'm going to try to take that question. As I mentioned during my remarks, the decline in Trading was really driven by a decline we saw in Equities, which show double-digit declines during the quarter, and also in Fixed Income. And if you recall, for the Equities desktop, that the release of Eikon 2.0 was really what essentially enabled us to get all the functionality that we need to compete effectively in the Equities desktop market. So what you're seeing in terms of the revenue decline this year is really a reflection of the net sales that we had last year when we did not have the complete competitive product. So we would expect that the trend will improve over time. And I think that's really what explains, as I said, most of the decline in the Trading segment.

Operator

Operator

And we do have a question from the line of Sara Gubins with Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Sara Gubins - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Sara Gubins with Bank of America Merrill Lynch

I'm hoping you could give us an update on the trajectory around Eikon. It looks like you added about 1,000 during the month of March, which might be -- it looks like a bit of a slower pace than what we've seen recently. So I'm hoping that you can give us an update on that and how the trajectory has been in April.

James C. Smith

Analyst · Sara Gubins with Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Yes. I think what -- Sara, we're pretty confident with the kind of what our average trajectory was throughout the first quarter, and that's what we're projecting for the balance of the year. Any given month or couple week period can be affected by one-off installations and pace at individual customer side. So we try not to build too much into any given week or month, but rather look at it on a quarterly basis, and we don't see any trends. While we -- what we have seen in the first quarter is our -- is that we continue to build more capacity. So we're able to take on more customers than we ever have been. We don't think there's any kind of overall change in the trajectory.

Sara Gubins - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Sara Gubins with Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Great. And then as a follow-up, have you communicated plans now to shut down the Reuters 2000 Xtra platform to clients? I think you were planning to do that by the end of the year. And I'm wondering, if you have, how their reaction's been so far?

Stephane Bello

Analyst · Sara Gubins with Bank of America Merrill Lynch

We're not offering Reuters 3000 Xtra to new customers. And I think we mentioned during Investor Day, I think Peter must have made the comment that our hope is to convert most of the existing Reuters 3000 Xtra by the end of the year. It's hard to say whether we're going to convert everyone to the last one, but most of them should be converted to Eikon by the end of the year.

James C. Smith

Analyst · Sara Gubins with Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Yes. And I think, if I could add just a little bit of color to that, I think the reception has been overwhelmingly well received. There are pockets of customers, of course, who want to make sure that they're going to be properly supported through any transition. And we've committed to do that, which is why I think we've said we set an aspirational target of moving everyone or being ready to make all the moves by the end of this year. But of course, we're not going to leave customers in the lurch either. So we'll be very careful to be mindful of their needs. But I say, overall, customers, particularly when they see the features and functionalities that they're going to be able to gain, the increased reliability that they're going to get from this transition, I think, are largely supportive and comforted, provided we're going to be able to support them in their transition and don't push them too fast.

Operator

Operator

And we do have a question from the line of the Peter Appert with Piper Jaffray.

George K. Tong - Piper Jaffray Companies, Research Division

Analyst · the Peter Appert with Piper Jaffray

This is George Tong for Peter Appert. Could you discuss what kind of a pricing increase do you expect from the rollout of Eikon, and what implications that can have for net sales and revenue performance this year and next year? And also, as a follow-up, what the Eikon rollout timeline looks like for the U.S.?

Stephane Bello

Analyst · the Peter Appert with Piper Jaffray

Sure. Let me try to take at least the first part of the question. As we roll out Eikon and we really roll new product in the form of an upgrade to the existing product to customers, so there's no price increase associated with this rollout. We're just essentially providing all customers with what is a much better product versus what they have now, as the goal is really to try to have a strong penetration from Eikon as quickly as possible. So there's no immediate price impact associated with the rollout of Eikon per se. And to be completely frank, I -- we're not essentially rolling Eikon by regions, but rather looking at it by customer and by segment. That's why last year and this year, we very much focused on converting all our customers in the Trading segment. At the same time, we are very much upgrading the functionality of the product from the investor or the investment management standpoint. We expect to have that functionality largely done by the end of the year. So we're starting to roll out Eikon in our Investors' segment, but we're doing that more slowly, and most of the rollout will likely happen next year. Hopefully, that answers your question.

Operator

Operator

And we do have a question from the line of Andrew Steinerman with JPMorgan. Andrew C. Steinerman - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: It's Andrew. Stephane, you used the term 70% of F&R being reoccurring. But for the other segments, you used the word subscription. Could you go over in F&R what percentage of our revenues are subscription? And what does recurring mean that's sort of outside of subscription in F&R?

Stephane Bello

Analyst · Andrew Steinerman with JPMorgan

In F&R, it's pretty much the same thing, Andrew. I mean, you should assume 70% of the revenue is really largely subscription-based. So I apologize if I brought some confusion. Andrew C. Steinerman - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Right. And when you say subscription, you mean kind of on a per-seat basis?

Stephane Bello

Analyst · Andrew Steinerman with JPMorgan

It's not necessarily on a per-seat basis. Some of our -- are feed business, which really is not per seat. It's also subscription-based. Andrew C. Steinerman - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Okay. And can I just sneak in one other question? On the F&R margin, that the adjusted margin of 21.5%, is there anything else that's onetime to call out other than severance?

Stephane Bello

Analyst · Andrew Steinerman with JPMorgan

Not that I can think of in the first quarter.

Operator

Operator

And we do have a question from the line of Vince Valentini with TD Securities.

Vince Valentini - TD Securities Equity Research

Analyst · Vince Valentini with TD Securities

You mentioned the one platform that you shut down April 15, I'm just thinking about your net sales outlook and all the sort of decommissioning of legacy platforms you're doing. Do you expect there to be much deliberate lost revenue in the back half of this year as you start to shut down more platforms? And if there is that expectation, do you still expect to have positive net sales over and above that sort of good revenue loss, if I can call it that, that leads to the cost cutting?

James C. Smith

Analyst · Vince Valentini with TD Securities

Yes. I think we've been positively encouraged as we've been moving into this platform consolidation effort. And one hates to predict future success based upon early experience, but we've been pleasantly surprised at the level of revenue loss by shutting these down. We do not think that's going to be a material impact on the business, nor do we think it's going to factor into anything about when and whether we turn net sales positive. We -- it's just early on. We've been encouraged by the response and by our ability to limit -- eliminate and limit the revenue loss. So we're pretty encouraged, and we're not anticipating this is going to be a major factor over the latter half.

Operator

Operator

And we do have a question from the line of Toni Kaplan with Morgan Stanley.

Toni Kaplan - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Toni Kaplan with Morgan Stanley

I know Investor Day was only a little over a month ago, but can you give us an update on the market environment? And do you think that you've already seen the full extent of the impact from already-announced sell-side headcount reductions, or would you expect that to continue to be impacting your business?

Stephane Bello

Analyst · Toni Kaplan with Morgan Stanley

Toni, it's Stephane. Look, the -- as we mentioned in our remarks, the market environment remains tough. There's no question about that. It's really hard to predict what will happen in the future in terms of additional headcount reductions that may be announced by our customers. And that's why, really, our focus is entirely on the things we can control, which is really making sure that we continue to improve the functionality of our product and also in the customer service and, as I said also, if only that we attack the cost structure in a smart way by essentially simplifying products and platforms so that it's durable add-back to the cost structure, not just a temporary one.

James C. Smith

Analyst · Toni Kaplan with Morgan Stanley

Yes. And I think just to add a tiny bit of color on that. It really depends -- when you see the cutbacks, it kind of depends customer by customer and where they're making the cuts as to where they -- as to where we're impacted. And so at these places where we're strong, we'll fill it. And at these places where we have less penetration or less product out there, we fill it less. But it -- to Stephane's point, it's -- we live in the same marketplace that everyone else competes in. So we can't escape kind of the operational gravity there. That said, we're in a heck of a lot better competitive place than we've ever been. So when those cuts do come, we're in a stronger position to compete in the remaining operations and to compete for greater market share. We're not sitting back waiting for the overall market to turn around into a different direction in order for us to get back to a positive growth trajectory. In fact, we're going after gains in market share, and we think we have plenty of opportunity to do that with the improvements we have, both on our products and on our customer service and our more effective sales operations.

Toni Kaplan - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Toni Kaplan with Morgan Stanley

And just a quick follow-up. In terms of the gains in market share, how quickly do you think that you might be able to see those?

James C. Smith

Analyst · Toni Kaplan with Morgan Stanley

Well, I think we're already seeing a change in the competitive dynamic right now. As I've said for the past couple of quarters, we're finding out that we're no longer losing every competitive bake-off anymore. In fact, we're winning our fair share now. So we certainly think we have at least stemmed the tide of losses in market share, and I think we're in a very competitive position now.

Operator

Operator

And we do have a question from the line of Paul Steep with Scotia Capital.

Paul Steep - Scotiabank Global Banking and Markets, Research Division

Analyst · Paul Steep with Scotia Capital

Maybe you could talk just a little bit about the key milestones, not only in the terminal side but also in the infrastructure side? And is that a Q3 or Q4 event? And then I guess, for Stephane, even ballpark, how material or not would these be in terms of cash charges that we should sort of be starting to think about towards the back end of the year?

Stephane Bello

Analyst · Paul Steep with Scotia Capital

Look, Paul, if you remember the discussion we had during Investor Day, I think you had a -- hopefully, a good overview of what F&R is trying to do in terms of milestones. It doesn't happen in -- just in Q3 or Q4. It's really going to be an ongoing process over the next couple of years as we essentially are able to fully eliminate some platforms and consolidate them into Eikon. So it goes in stages. That's why the first stage is to make sure that Eikon has all the functionality and more of the old platform and then begin the transition period or the upgrade, where we essentially move all the customers that use that legacy platform into Eikon. And only once you move all the customers, you can start shutting it down. As Jim mentioned, one platform that was closed in the first quarter, we've also announced that we were going to close other ones, like the Bridge platform, which is important from, as I said, supporting our Equity desktop offerings in the second half of the year. You're going to continue to see those over the course of time. And frankly, some of the severance costs that we took in the first quarter were in anticipation of that. We -- as we mentioned, right, our intent is to continue to do the right thing for the business. We will continue to take, potentially, like severance costs across the course of the year. If they're like really significant, we will make sure that we explain it to them and disclose them to you. But if they're kind of small, as we've done in the past in Professional, we just include them in our run rate.

Operator

Operator

And we do have a question from the line of Tim Casey with BMO.

Tim Casey - BMO Capital Markets Canada

Analyst · Tim Casey with BMO

Could you give us an update on acquisitions and divestitures for the year? I guess, specifically, any more information you can give on the magnitude of PLC that went through this year and update us on your announced divestitures in terms of magnitude and timing?

James C. Smith

Analyst · Tim Casey with BMO

Sure. I'll just review -- I'll answer the first part of that and Stephane can answer the second part on divestitures, if that's okay. I think as we said in Investor Day, I think you should anticipate that there will be a decreased level of acquisition activity than there has been over the past 2 to 3 years. We had an abnormally high level as we saw opportunities to move into faster-growing sectors of our market. I think you'll -- we'll be back to more the tactical fold-in kind of ongoing run rate that you come to expect from us, but primarily small fold-ins. As you know, we don't comment on that specific prices on specific acquisitions, but we have completed several acquisitions through the first quarter, the largest of which would have been PLC. And we anticipate more tactical acquisitions, I think, through the balance of this year and, I would say, even into the next year. As I say, more in line with our kind of ongoing practice and pattern, not the levels to which we've been spending in the past couple of years.

Stephane Bello

Analyst · Tim Casey with BMO

And, Tim, in answer to your second question, the timing and some details about the divestitures. I think if I'm correct, there's like -- there's really like 2 more transactions that are going on right now. One is our IRPR business in F&R. And as you remember, we announced that we have signed a definitive purchase agreement with -- to sell that business. We expect that transaction to close, hopefully, in the second quarter, and that's the largest one in terms of proceeds, several hundred millions. And then we got a small business in our Tax & Accounting business, where we just really are starting the process. That's going to be less meaningful from a proceeds perspective, and that one we expect may close in the third quarter.

Operator

Operator

And we do have a question from the line of Doug Arthur with Evercore.

Douglas M. Arthur - Evercore Partners Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Doug Arthur with Evercore

Yes, 2 questions. Stephane, can you just take us through the components that drops Corporate and Other from negative $84 million a year ago to negative $47 million this year? And then, Jim, how confident are you that -- in organic growth picking up in the overall Legal complex for the rest of the year?

Stephane Bello

Analyst · Doug Arthur with Evercore

Let me take the first question. The operating profit in Corporate was better by over $30 million on a year-on-year basis, and that was primarily driven by lower severance cost. If you remember in the first quarter of last year, we took about $28 million in total in terms of severance, and most of that was booked at the Corporate level. And this year, we didn't take any severance costs at the Corporate level. So that was the primary driver. We also had a number of smaller items, which was -- it impacted the first quarter performance and which were either onetime or timing related. I'd say for the full year, we would expect Corporate costs to be roughly in line with 2012, maybe slightly less, but roughly in line with 2012 as the savings we realized in Q1 will be mostly offset by other small onetime benefits. This favorably impacts our -- the corporate center in the course of 2012.

James C. Smith

Analyst · Doug Arthur with Evercore

And from my perspective, the odd thing is when -- in a lag business like ours, you live in a world where I know what's going on well before it flows to the revenue line. And I -- so I'm actually feeling very bullish on our Legal business right now. I think we've had -- we've been very encouraged by the overall sales environment, particularly in the first quarter of the year, as Stephane said. We're quite confident that we're going to see improvement in Legal. And in fact, when we've done -- have done our planning for this year, we had anticipated in our internal plans that this would be a low watermark in the first quarter, reflecting really the flow-through of activities in the prior year. So we're quite confident and counting on pickup in our Legal business.

Operator

Operator

And we do have a question from the line of Matt Chesler with Deutsche Bank.

Matthew Chesler - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Matt Chesler with Deutsche Bank

So you're shooting for nearly flat margins in F&R EBITDA. Stephane, can you talk about some of the puts and takes on getting there and how the -- revenue dependent that might be? And then just, Jim, a quick follow-up on Legal. Where is that strength in Legal based on, net sales coming from -- more specifically in terms of that segment and the product areas?

Stephane Bello

Analyst · Matt Chesler with Deutsche Bank

Okay, sure, Matt. On the drivers for the target we have internally for flat margin performance in EBITDA level at F&R, it essentially -- it -- the fact that prior factors are on the negative side that we're going to issue severance charge we're taking, most of it was taken during the first quarter. And again, that was $65 million negative impact. And the other negative factor is that we are expecting, essentially, negative organic growth rate for F&R for the full year. So targeting flat EBITDA margin in an environment where you like, essentially, have a decline in organic revenues for F&R and you're taking a large amount of severance expenses. I think if we're able to achieve that, we're only going to be able to achieve that if there's a real decrease in the overall cost structure of the business. And that's really what we're targeting. So that's why it's depending on, the ability to bring down the cost structure of F&R. And as I said, I think the first quarter performance is quite encouraging from that perspective, because if you take away the noise of the severance charge, they had really a good performance from an underlying profitably standpoint. And on the second question, Legal, I think -- actually, if you remember, what I mentioned is that in the first quarter, if you look at the strength of the subscription portion of the revenue base of Legal, which, again, is about 70% of their total revenue, these revenues grew 7% during the quarter. The organic growth from a subscription perspective was like 3%. So that kind of shows that there is strength, underlying strength in the business. So what was done during the quarter was really the remainder. And the remaining 30% is about -- half of that, or 15%, is transaction-related business, and those were down 7%. And the other half was essentially U.S. print, which was down 2%. So net sales -- Jim may want to add some additional color. But I think net sales were actually good across-the-board in Legal. It was -- we had good sales in call research as well as in the new software and services solutions.

James C. Smith

Analyst · Matt Chesler with Deutsche Bank

Yes, I think that's right. So the encouraging part is that we're feeling the strength, based upon the strength of Westlaw and our core subscription businesses, as Stephane said. That's quite encouraging for us. We're seeing -- and if you look at the kind of leading indicators of sales, we're seeing good results in the first quarter in both large law firms and in small law firms. And it's coming from the core Westlaw products and from new products that we've introduced, particularly new product in the small law firms, which is encouraging, and a new product named the General Counsel in the Corporate space as well. So this is kind of good performance of our core businesses and our new products. So that's where we're seeing it.

Frank J. Golden

Analyst · Matt Chesler with Deutsche Bank

So that is our final question for this quarter's call. We'd like to thank you all for joining us, and that concludes our call today. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

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