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Trinity Capital Inc. 7.875% Notes due 2029 (TRINZ)

Q1 2025 Earnings Call· Wed, May 7, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Katie, and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Trinity Capital's First Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. All participants have been placed in a listen-only mode and the floor will be open for questions following the presentation. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Ben Malcolmson, Head of Investor Relations for Trinity Capital.

Ben Malcolmson

Management

Thank you, and welcome to Trinity Capital's earnings conference call for the first quarter of 2025. Today, our speakers are Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer; Michael Testa, Chief Financial Officer and Gerry Harder, Chief Operating Officer. Also joining us for the Q&A portion of the call are Ron Kundich, Chief Credit Officer and Sarah Stanton, General Counsel and Chief Compliance Officer. Trinity Capital's financial results were released earlier today and can be accessed on our Investor Relations website at ir.trinitycapital.com. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that certain statements made during this call may be deemed forward-looking statements under federal securities laws. Because forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, we encourage you to refer to our most recent SEC filings for information on certain risk factors. Now please allow me to turn the call over to the CEO of Trinity Capital, Kyle Brown.

Kyle Brown

Management

Thank you, Ben, and thanks to everyone for joining us today. Before addressing the macro environment, we wanted to share some quick highlights from a solid Q1 for Trinity Capital. We delivered $32.4 million of net investment income, a 29% increase versus Q1 of last year. Our net asset value grew to a record $833 million. Platform AUM increased to more than $2.1 billion. Our credit quality remained strong with non-accruals staying consistent and representing less than 1% of the portfolio at fair value. And Trinity paid a first quarter cash dividend of $0.51 per share, representing our 21st consecutive quarter of a consistent or increased regular dividend. Before we dive deeper into Q1 performance, we do want to address macroeconomic and geopolitical conditions that are currently at play. We've been closely monitoring the recent tariff announcements and have been in discussions with all of our portfolio companies to determine the potential impact on their operational performance. Credit quality is of the utmost importance to us, particularly during periods of market volatility. The portfolio management team is actively engaged with every single one of our portfolio companies to analyze the effects of tariffs, quantify the potential impact across our all risk factors and safeguard the health of our investments. An overwhelming majority of our portfolio companies are domestically headquartered and have very limited exposure to imported goods or international sales. As such, most do not expect a near term impact to operations as a direct result of tariffs imposed by the United States or other countries. Gerry will address the portfolio in greater detail during his portion of the call. Every investment dollar matters to us, and we have demonstrated in previous periods of market uncertainty that we are committed to finding positive outcomes for our partners and most importantly…

Michael Testa

Management

Thank you, Kyle. In the first quarter, we achieved total investment income of $65 million a 30% increase over the same period in 2024. Our effective yield on the portfolio for Q1 was once again among the best in the industry at 15.3%, and our core yield, which excludes fee income, remains strong at 14.1%. The decline in our effective yield this quarter was primarily driven by lower fee income from early debt repayments. And in Q1, early repayments were well below our historical average. Our core yield reflects the full quarter impact of 50 basis point Fed rate cuts from the prior quarter. Net investment income for the first quarter was $32.4 million or $0.52 per basic share compared to $25.2 million or $0.54 per basic share in the same period of the prior year. Our net investment income per share represents 102% coverage of our quarterly distribution. Our estimated undistributed taxable income is approximately $67 million or $1.04 per share. We continue to reinvest this capital for the benefit of our investors while maintaining a consistent and meaningful distribution. Our platform continues to generate strong returns for our BDC shareholders with ROAE of 15.5% based on net investment income over average equity and ROAA of 7.1% based on net investment income over average total assets. As of March 31, 2025, our NAV was $833 million, up from $823 million as of December 31, 2024. And our corresponding NAV per share was $13.05 at the end of Q1, a decrease from $13.35 at the end as of December 31, 2024. As Kyle explained, the decrease in net assets per share was primarily due to the repayment of convertible notes during this quarter. The holders of our convertible notes elect to exercise their conversion rate on the $50 million of…

Gerry Harder

Management

Thank you, Michael. I'd like to begin by expanding on Kyle's remarks regarding the impact of tariffs on both our portfolio companies and our business processes. Over the past several weeks, our portfolio management teams have reached out to all of our portfolio companies to better understand the potential impact of tariffs on their business models and financial projections. Based on these discussions, we believe that our portfolio has very limited direct exposure to the impact of tariffs and we are remaining in close contact with our portfolio companies as they navigate through the economic impact of the evolving trade policies. We have also added an additional process step to our underwriting flow to ensure that we have a clear understanding of potential direct or indirect tariff risks before any funding is released to either new or existing portfolio companies. As a reminder, a vast majority of our unfunded commitments are subject to ongoing diligence and approval by our investment committee. We will continue to follow these additional processes related to tariffs for as long as necessary to ensure that we are deploying our capital in a prudent fashion. Turning back to the general composition of the portfolio, at the end of the first quarter on a cost basis, our total portfolio consisted of approximately 75% secured loans, 19% equipment financing, 4% equity and 2% warrants. The composition of our portfolio continues to be diversified across investment type, transaction size, industry and geography. Our portfolio is segmented across 22 industry categories with our largest industry exposure, finance and insurance, representing 16.9% of the portfolio at cost. This portion of the portfolio is spread across 16 borrowers and includes both term loans and asset backed warehouse facilities. Our second largest industry exposure is medical devices, representing 12.3% of our portfolio at…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from Casey Alexander with Compass Point. Your line is open.

Casey Alexander

Analyst

Yeah. I was just kind of hoping you could point me in the right direction here. I mean, the fourth quarter had a 3% increase in portfolio investments, interest earning portfolio investments. And then you were -- a net originator again in this quarter and yet interest income dropped about 5% quarter over quarter. Can you give me some color and point me in the right direction for me to help me understand why it would drop quite that much?

Kyle Brown

Management

Hey, Casey. So a couple of things. One, we saw the effects of that rate cut last year, kind of moved through the portfolio. I think we're actually in a really great position going forward as it relates to rate cuts, having the majority of our portfolio really already at kind of base floor rates. So we feel good about that. But there was some effects of that rate cut. We also saw a pretty strong decrease in payoffs and that resulted in a few cents of less of earnings that we typically see in just pull forward fees. So those two things right there that was the majority of the decrease.

Casey Alexander

Analyst

Okay. But a fast follow on to that, how do you see generally when you get into a more uncertain environment, payoffs slow down even more? Would that be your expectation that we would see a slowdown in payoffs in at least in 2Q and 3Q while the market is digesting kind of the new economic format?

Kyle Brown

Management

Yeah. You know what, in Q1, I think that's a lot of the delays and our kind of regular payoffs, they were pushed to this quarter. Subsequent to quarter end, we've already received our normal payoffs that we see in a quarter. So you'll see that bounce back and we also have other payoffs pending. So we'll see how that plays out. We can't predict how that will play out. But already we've seen normal payoffs this quarter, which will obviously help with earnings.

Casey Alexander

Analyst

All right. That's great. That's good information. Thank you, Kyle. My last question is that medical devices is a pretty substantial portion of the portfolio. And in talking to people, what I've been told is that a large percentage of the components that goes into medical devices actually does come from Asia. Can you comment what your investigation into tariff impacts found specifically relative to medical devices?

Ron Kundich

Analyst

Hey, Casey, this is Ron Kundich. Good question. As Gerry alluded to in his prepared remarks, we took an extremely deep dive into the portfolio all across the board. I can report that our life science portfolio received significant feedback from their companies, even quantified feedback from many companies around the impact of tariffs. And specific to your question, the impact on tariffs with regard to their supply chain. And there was no alarming findings. Hesitate to give you any specifics here on this call, but it was very good. I classify our tariff impact within the portfolio as low, low as Gerry alluded to in his prepared remarks. So ongoing review, ongoing analysis. Gerry?

Gerry Harder

Management

The only thing I'd add, while I have no doubt that what you say is true, Casey, with respect to the components. Medical devices in generally tend to be higher margin devices where the subcomponent costs are just not a big part of the overall labor burden and material product costs. So that's why I think the quantified impacts for the med devices tends to be low.

Casey Alexander

Analyst

All right. Thank you for taking my questions. Appreciate it.

Gerry Harder

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Doug Harter with UBS. Your line is open.

Cory Johnson

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open.

Hi. This is Cory Johnson on for Doug. So this quarter, commitments were at slowest pace that they've been in a while. Can you talk just a little bit about what was behind that? Is that timing, changes in the market, any business decisions that trend or anything?

Gerry Harder

Management

So, I want to make sure I heard you right. Did you reference commitments, funding commitments?

Cory Johnson

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open.

Yeah. Correct.

Gerry Harder

Management

So listen, we took a page out of our COVID playbook. And when you see large kind of macroeconomic conditions deteriorate or change, it's really important for us to focus on our portfolio first, kind of take a defensive stance, understand where the wind is blowing and how -- what's going on is going to impact businesses and then really invest into companies that are benefiting from it. And so we did just that. We slowed some of our originations efforts. We had to make sure that we put a new filter in place so that any deal that we were looking at funding, any new deal in the pipeline, we understood the effects of tariffs and whether or not we wanted to fund that company. We had to apply sensitization from a credit standpoint to each of those companies to make sure that they still have the cash life or EBITDA or cash flow that we thought they had. And so what that meant was us slowing down and funding a little bit less in Q1. Now those deals didn't go away. The pipeline is robust. It's growing. We have significant deal flow right now. And it's led us into Q2 with an understanding of, who is benefiting from it and who is not, and giving us a really interesting point to invest in these companies going forward. So anyway, commitments are down simply by choice and we're still monitoring what's going on, but that's not a trend.

Cory Johnson

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open.

Got it. And so you would say, or would you say now that you have kind of been able to assess things and you feel like a bit more comfortable and that commitments will go back up in 2Q? Or are you still playing it a little bit more defensively?

Gerry Harder

Management

So there are certain segments we've already identified that are benefiting from this. We have seen within Q1 and carrying into Q2 pretty significant uptick in CapEx spend for companies that manufacture in the U.S. Our equipment business is poised to benefit from that. You saw that with nearly a third of our deployments in Q1 were equipment, over a third. And I don't think that's going to slow down. So that's a great differentiator for us as a lender. We can look at that and say, great, let's we're poised to really benefit from this if it continues. I think manufacturing in the U.S. is a good place to be and we're really focused on it. So that's I'm not going to tell you that it's going to be two or three times what we did in Q1, but the pipeline is very strong right now.

Cory Johnson

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open.

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Christopher Nolan with Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

Hey, guys. The stock the common stock is yielding 14.5% or so, which is pretty close to what your core yield is. How does that affect your consideration of raising additional common equity?

Michael Testa

Management

Hey, Chris, it's Mike here. Appreciate the question. Yeah, it's something we're modeling. We look at we're only going to raise capital when it's accretive to our investors. So we raised about $31 million this quarter on the ATM. Again, that's efficient way of raising capital. It's lower than we've done in the past, but we're looking at all the different levers from liquidity on balance sheet to off balance sheet returns for deploying on balance sheet versus syndicating and raising more capital and the benefit accretive benefits we get from those fundings being in the RIA. So I appreciate, yeah, the modeling exercise and the math for raising capital on balance sheet versus how that trickles down and leverage a number of moving parts to the benefit of our investors.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

Great. And then reading into that, I guess the new vehicles that you guys are raising, the separate managed funds would take a bigger role going forward. How does -- how do you guys allocate deals between those separate managed accounts and the BDC?

Kyle Brown

Management

So we think about the managed accounts as just additional liquidity, right? And so you kind of just touched on it. Our goal our overall encompassing goal is to grow earnings, grow the dividend. So earn it, out earn it and grow. That's our goal. We've said it over and over again. Our managed accounts give us the ability to generate new income. So there is a quarterly shuffle that happens and making sure that we do that. And that in some quarters might mean we need to raise some additional equity, common equity. That right now and frankly the rest of this year, a lot of that is focused on raising capital off balance sheet private funds and generating new income there. And so we meet twice a week. We look at the model. We try to make sure that we are keeping leverage around that kind of one to one mark and over time hoping to decrease that giving ourselves more liquidity while also increasing earnings. So the answer is it's not an exact answer because the output just has to be EPS is stable and growing.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

Great. Final question. What do you think the impact will be on the fair value evaluation of your portfolio company investments? I mean, will this increase the base rate, the risk free rate? And then on top of that, you add the risk premiums. Any color on that would be great.

Gerry Harder

Management

Chris, I don't know if I understood the question, the fair value of the entire portfolio in general or investment in the RIM?

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

No. Each of your investments and your scheduled investments is valued by an outside firm on a periodic basis. How does the tariffs impact the methodology and does it impact does it raise the risk premium of your investments and thus lower your fair value?

Gerry Harder

Management

Yeah, I think certainly Chris in valuing the equity portion of our portfolio, right, that's going to be a function of market multiples as of June 30 when the marks are affected, right. So to the extent that trade policies are affecting the markets where our portfolio companies find themselves, then that could certainly affect those marks. With respect to the debt portfolio, if we've got performing debt instruments, we're going to value that with a discounted cash flow. And I think based on what we know today, I would say it would be unlikely that we would across the board add to the discount rate as we value that portfolio. However, the end of the quarter is two months away and we can't say what may or may not happen. But based on what we know today, we don't think we would need to make such an encompassing portfolio wide adjustment.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

Okay. Thanks, Gerry. Okay. See you guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Paul Johnson with KBW. Your line is open.

Paul Johnson

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

Yes. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. Kyle, how do you guys I guess -- how do you think about just the lower yields in the portfolio over the last several quarters? I mean, do you think that's reflective kind of your push into like a broader origination verticals, including some sponsor back deals? Are there sort of other things in there kind of like lower activity that you might think are the bigger factor?

Kyle Brown

Management

Yeah. We haven't seen a lot of the compression, I think, across all five verticals combined that I think other BDCs and lenders generally have experienced. The majority of that is the effects of the rates changing and then us growing our more upstream and more mature sponsor finance business, which I think investors should be pretty excited about, right? These are more mature companies, less volatility. They really balance out the portfolio. And so, there's -- it's pretty minute, but there is some decrease in the yield. But I'd say, A, it's best in class still. B, we're pretty protected on the majority of the portfolio from additional rate decreases because of those flow rates. And C, I would 100% trade the diversification and derisking of the portfolio for the small change in yield, right? And so what this doesn't take into account though is our 100 plus warrant positions, right, that are outstanding that we can't necessarily tell you which one is going to work and when. But those are all options that we have out there right now that can provide some and have historically provided upside that covers any kind of losses that we might expect and then provide additional upside. So those are out there as well.

Paul Johnson

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

Thanks. Appreciate that. Thanks for color there. And then I may have missed it on the call, but I was just wondering if you could remind us of how much of the portfolio is sort of first lien without any sort of additional lender or bank ahead of you in the loan?

Ron Kundich

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

Paul, this is Ron again. 78% of the portfolio is first lien, not encumbered by any senior debt. That's a pretty direct answer to your specific question. Happy to elaborate if you have any follow ups.

Kyle Brown

Management

Yeah. In the second lien or sub or mezz layers that we take there, frankly those are the more mature companies. We take the position of partnering with a bank, provide the lower blended cost of capital for the company and we would be more than willing to be the senior facility. But that lower blended cost of capital ends up putting the company in a better position. So when we do it, that typically just means that's a more mature company, later stage, better credit quality. And so we just rarely see issues with those loans.

Paul Johnson

Analyst · KBW. Your line is open.

Thanks for that. Once again, very helpful. And then the last one I had was just I was wondering if you've seen anything on a quarter to date in terms of revolver jobs or liquidity issues or demands from any of your borrowers? That's all. Thanks.

Kyle Brown

Management

No, we've not seen an uptick at all with companies requesting capital or looking for additional draws above and beyond. And you got to remember, if we don't -- in many cases, we actually have milestones in place. So a company can't just call us up and ask for more money. They will have had to achieve had to have achieved something or hit some milestone to access additional capital. But then on the majority -- the vast majority, I want to say 90% of the portfolio are outstanding commitments. We have to underwrite the deal and approve it before we release capital and it's at our discretion.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Sean-Paul Adams with B. Riley Securities. Your line is open.

Sean-Paul Adams

Analyst

Good afternoon. You guys have a pretty good track record of this stable dividend. Congrats on 21 quarters without a cut. But this quarter's NII kind of had a narrow margin versus the dividend payout. How committed are you guys when it comes to the dividend or dividend increases? And do you guys have currently have any plans to build more spillover?

Kyle Brown

Management

Good question. So, a couple of things. One, the keeping for BDCs, keeping the dividends and not decreasing it, that is that's BDC 101 right there, right? So we are very focused on keeping the dividend and growing the dividend. Our board will meet and decide on whether to keep it or increase it. And our goal internally is to cover the dividend and increase that coverage over time. We had less coverage this quarter for the reasons we've already stated. Payoffs alone account for $0.03 to $0.04 of regular earnings per share that we just didn't see this quarter. There were a few other things that I just -- that were just specific to this quarter. So, our goal is to build it and grow it. I think generally speaking, right now if we're going to over earn the dividend and we're still generating a 14% dividend yield. We're clearly not being -- our stock is not reflecting its true value in that scenario right there. So increasing the dividend doesn't make a lot of sense because we're not getting a lot of credit for that. So building NAV and focusing on building NAV has been what we've done now for consecutive quarters. We'll probably continue doing that, but the Board will meet quarterly to decide whether or not we want to build that spillover. And then at some point, of course, we have to distribute out 90% plus of earnings. So, if we are successful doing what I just said, we're going to be forced to send out special dividends at some point to the benefit of shareholders. So that's a problem we really want to have.

Sean-Paul Adams

Analyst

Got it. Got it. Thank you for the color. And when you're looking at forward quarters, if there is a material crunch on the earnings front. How are you looking at the balance of the dividend distribution versus the NAV?

Kyle Brown

Management

We feel really good about covering our dividend.

Sean-Paul Adams

Analyst

Got it. Thank you.

Kyle Brown

Management

All right. Well, that was easier than I thought. But we feel really good about covering the dividend.

Sean-Paul Adams

Analyst

Sounds good. I appreciate the color.

Kyle Brown

Management

You bet.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. It appears we have no further questions at this time. I'll now turn the call back over to CEO, Kyle Brown, for closing remarks.

Kyle Brown

Management

All right. Well, we'd like to thank everybody for participating in our call today. We appreciate your interest and investment in Trinity Capital. We look forward to updating you on our second quarter results at our earnings call on August 6. Have a great rest of your day. Thanks. Bye.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's event. You may now disconnect.