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Q2 2020 Earnings Call· Thu, Jul 30, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by this is the conference operator. Welcome to the TC Energy 2020 Second Quarter Results Conference Call. As a reminder, all participants are in listen-only mode and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to David Moneta, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

David Moneta

Analyst

Thanks very much, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to welcome you to TC Energy's 2020 second quarter conference call. Joining me today are Russ Girling, President and Chief Executive Officer; Don Marchand, Executive Vice President, Strategy and Corporate Development and Chief Financial Officer; Francois Poirier, Chief Operating Officer and President, Power and Storage and Mexico; Tracy Robinson, President, Canadian Natural Gas Pipelines; Stan Chapman, President, U.S. Natural gas pipelines; Paul Miller, President, Liquids Pipelines; Bevin Wirzba, Senior Vice President, Liquids Pipelines; and Glenn Menuz, Vice President and Controller. Russ and Don will begin today with some opening comments on our financial results and certain other company developments. A copy of the slide presentation that will accompany their remarks is available on our website. It can be found in the investors section under the heading events and presentations. Following their prepared remarks, we will take questions from the investment community. If you are a member of the media, please contact Jaimie Harding following this call and should be happy to address your questions. In order to provide everyone from the investment community with an equal opportunity to participate, we ask that you limit yourself to two questions If you have additional questions, please re-enter the queue. Also, we ask that you focus your questions on our industry, our corporate strategy, recent developments and key elements of our financial performance. If you have detailed questions relating to some of our smaller operations, for your detailed financial models, Hunter and I would be pleased to discuss them with you following the call. Before Russ begins, I'd like to remind you that our remarks today will include forward-looking statements that are subject to important risks and uncertainties. For more information on these risks and uncertainties, please see the reports filed by TC Energy with Canadian securities regulators and with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. And finally, during this presentation, we'll refer to measures such as comparable earnings, comparable earnings per share, comparable earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization or comparable EBITDA and comparable funds generated from operations. These and certain other comparable measures are considered to be non-GAAP measures. As a result, they may not be comparable to similar measures presented by other entities. They are used to provide you with additional information on TC Energy's operating performance, liquidity and its ability to generate funds to finance its operations. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Russ.

Russ Girling

Analyst

Thank you, David, and good morning, everyone. And thank you all for joining us today. Clearly, we live in unprecedented times with COVID-19, having had a significant impact on people around the world. When the World Health Organization declared a global pandemic in early March, our business continuity plans were put in place across our whole organization, allowing us to continue to effectively operate our assets and execute on all of our capital programs. All of the services we provide were deemed essential or critical in Canada, the United States and Mexico. Given the important role our infrastructure plays and delivering energy to people across this continent. This essential designation included both our daily operations and our construction projects. We take that responsibility extremely seriously. And I'm proud to say that we continue to deliver the energy that millions of people rely on every day and continue to advance all of our construction projects that are vital to powering industries and institutions for many decades yet to come. As we've always done over the past few months, we've continued to conduct our business in a safe and reliable manner while maintaining our workforce employing thousands of construction workers, fulfilling our obligations to suppliers, and supporting the communities in which we are working. This would not have been possible without the dedication of all of our employees. And I want to acknowledge and thank them and their families for their ongoing efforts to ensure the energy that is vital to the daily lives of so many continues to be delivered seamlessly across North America. I can tell you that your efforts continue to make a big difference. Turning now to our second quarter financial results and other recent developments across our three core businesses. Despite the challenges brought by COVID-19, our…

Don Marchand

Analyst

Thanks, Russ, and good morning everyone. As outlined in our results issued earlier today, net income attributable to common shares is $1.3 billion or $1.36 per share in the second quarter of 2020, compared to $1.1 billion, or $1.21 per share for the same period in 2019. The six months ended June 30 2020 net income attributable to common shares was $2.4 billion, or $2.59 per share, compared to net income of $2.1 billion or $2.30 per share in 2019. Second quarter results included a $408 million after-tax gain on the sale of a 65% interest in Coastal GasLink along with an incremental $80 million after-tax loss and the disposition of the Ontario natural gas fired power plants. Second quarter 2019 also included certain specific items as outlined on the Slide and discussed further in our second quarter 2020 report to shareholders. These specific items, as well as unrealized gains and losses from changes in risk management activities are excluded from comparable earnings. Comparable earnings for the second quarter were $863 million, or $0.92 per common share, compared to $924 million, or $1 per common share in 2019. For the six months ended June 30, 2020, comparable earnings were $2 billion or $2.10 per share, compared to $1.9 billion or $2.07 per share in 2019. Turning to our business segment results on Slide 15. In the second quarter, comparable EBITDA from our five operating segments was $2.2 billion or $125 million decrease compared to 2019. Canadian natural gas pipelines comparable EBITDA of $621 million was $93 million higher than second quarter 2019 primarily on account of increased rate-based earnings as well as flow-throw depreciation and financial charges on the NGTL System from additional facilities placed in service. NGTL System net income increased $21 million, compared to the same period in…

David Moneta

Analyst

Thanks, Don. Just a reminder, before I turn it over to the conference coordinator for questions, we ask that you limit yourself to two questions. If you have any additional questions, please re-enter the queue. With that, I'll turn it back to the conference coordinator.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Jeremy Tonet of JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Jeremy Tonet

Analyst

Just want to start off with KXL and wanted to see, I guess to hit the 2023 in service as you envision it now. How do you see the kind of legal hurdles or legal challenges going at this point? Just trying to get a feeling for how much contingency is built in there? And what milestones we should be looking for try to get a better feeling for how to progress? And I guess what, what type of outcomes there would have you guys kind of step away from the project on the legal challenge side.

Bevin Wirzba

Analyst

Thanks, Jeremy. This is Bevin.3 With respect to the legal challenges there are two lawsuits, the first of which challenging the presidential permits and the balance, challenging our ability to advance construction in certain areas that have wetlands. Our schedule and plans can accommodate we're still targeting our 2023 in service date at this point. And we anticipate resolving these issues through the balance of this year and into next.

Jeremy Tonet

Analyst

And just want to, I guess pivot if I could towards what type of appetite you guys might have for one might be thought of as kind of like greener investments, if you will. The pumped hydro storage, there's wondering if you might be able to update [Indiscernible] appetite for projects like that. And then, I guess also down the line, hydrogen logistics could fit your plans at all or any thoughts given that kind of later date at this point.

Francois Poirier

Analyst

Thanks, Jeremy its Francois. With respect to our appetite for those types of investments and the pump storage project being a great example. As we talked about our strategy for our power and storage business, we expect to be looking to invest and diversify by fuel type into other types of fuels other than our traditional natural gas fired businesses investing along the theme of farming resources as renewables increased as a percentage of the fuel mix. There will be a need for more storage across various systems. So, as we've mentioned, we've got the Meaford project in Ontario, that's a thousand megawatts pump storage project that's been proposed. It's still early days on that one. We're continuing with extensive consultations with the communities. We've made significant design changes to the project to address their feedback and FID on that project is not expected to take place until the 2023 timeframe. The next step is really to continue with conducting environmental assessments once we've gained permission from the Department of National Defense to access the land on a longer-term basis. We also have another pump storage project that's under development that we've invested in Alberta that's fully permitted, and we're expecting to make an FID on that one hopefully by the end of 2020. So, you'll see us looking to invest in a manner that's consistent with our risk preferences focusing on either investments underpinned by regulation on long-term contracts, that's never going to change for us. And as we see opportunities to do that as part of on different points of the electric value chain, we're going to continue to be looking at those. As to hydrogen, it's an interesting concept. We'll continue to monitor these and other technological advancements. We are always looking for ways to optimize our asset base and from our perspective, we've got a very strong asset base to economically and safely connect growing sources of renewable natural gas or hydrogen or any other types of products when they do become economic and as it relates to hydrogen, it can be blended with methane flowing through our existing pipelines and either left commingled or extracted through downstream separation process closer to the end use source. So, I think the takeaway there is, we believe that we're very-well situated to take advantage of these opportunities in the coming decades, should the technologies advance.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Robert Kwan of RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Robert Kwan

Analyst

Good morning. If I can just start with the Columbia rate cases that you given details. Specifically just around, are there some parallels that we can draw to what you did with ANR as well where included or is there a bunch of modernization capital or any capital included as part of the rate case? Are you still ready recover that kind of as part of the new rates rather than having to wait ultimately as well? Just how far behind are you on rates with respect to earned ROE and other recoveries across?

Don Marchand

Analyst

Hey. Good morning Robert. This is Don. We are planning on filing Columbia rate case tomorrow actually. And while there were some limited rate reviews that were done in conjunction with our prior modernization settlement as Russ mentioned, this has going to be the first rate case on Columbia in over 20 years. So in addition to recovering our prudent incurred costs return in our historical capital investments, the filing does also propose a third phase to our modernization programs, whereby we're proposing to invest $3 billion over a seven year period to further ensure the safety, the reliability, and the integrity of our assets. And to your point, we'd have the ability to recover these costs without further rate cases as we do now with our existing modernization programs. So basically all the modernization capital that we spend, at the end of a given year, we would start recovering those costs starting February 1 of the following year. As you know that the rate case establishes rates for our base system customers and is not going to adjust any of the demand charges for our express projects, which were recently placed in service as they will continue to be incrementally priced and subject to fixed negotiated rates. I should point out that the rates are going to take effect on February 1 of 2021 subject to refund. So there's not going to be any impact to 2020 earnings, but the process is that once our filing is made first, we'll set a procedural schedule. That schedule will include a hearing before an administrative law judge likely sometime towards the end of next year. However, as it's very typical with rate cases in the U.S. we intend to work collaboratively with our customers, our regulators and other stakeholders to the settle this case, and they usually satisfactory manner. And in that regard, we'll likely we'll kick off settlement discussions sometime in the fourth quarter of this year and they were most likely continue into maybe first quarter, second quarter into 2021.

Robert Kwan

Analyst

That's helpful, just kind of all billing in over seven years that’s new and incremental with modernization capital that you're already showing you your tables is that correct?

Don Marchand

Analyst

Yes, that's correct. That would be new incremental capital and again, that's what we're proposing. That we’re going to have to go through the profit that to could change over time, but that's the proposal as it fits with our filings.

Robert Kwan

Analyst

And what proportion of right now on recourse rates verses contracted rates.

Don Marchand

Analyst

Good question if memory is correct, it’s probably somewhere around 50% or so, but I should thought a little bit, David, and gets you an exact number.

Robert Kwan

Analyst

And then just finish with a quick funding question, just you mentioned you’re filing the ATM this quarter and that was been pre-closed specifically here for KXL, so is that still the case for, do you have any anticipation to need that for non KXL purposes.

Don Marchand

Analyst

Hi Robert, it's Don here. We announced along with KXL, we don't have any intention to use it. It's not part of our base funding plan for Keystone XL. It's really an acknowledgement of the volatile times we're in right now and the size of the capital program. It gives us some financial flexibility as we book on KXL is another lever but the base funding plan there's no issuance on the ATM factored into that. So I would treat it more as belts and suspenders, given the current environment and the magnitude of the capital program that we have in front of us.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Robert Catellier of CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Robert Catellier

Analyst

Can you just elaborate how you plan to achieve the higher capacity on Keystone, allowed in that presidential permit. Is this a DRA only solution? Or will it be pump stations and looping? So really, I'm trying to get a sense of whether working might have to do on the permitting and if you could also address cost and timing.

Bavin Wirzba

Analyst

Thanks, Robert. It's Bavin. The incremental 50,000 barrels a day that we contracted through the Open Season made last year is available to the system based on using increased DRA as you suggest. No further stations or other capitals required to accommodate that increase.

Robert Catellier

Analyst

Okay. And just the bigger picture here as you're looking to the 5% to 7% long-term growth rate. How much of that is contemplating from just the existing footprints? Or the state in another way, how important is it to develop another platform such as the green energy that was discussed earlier or other parts of the value chain or other jurisdictions that are less complicated in permitting compared to North American pipelines?

Don Marchand

Analyst

It's Don here. Beyond KXL and Coastal GasLink, it doesn't factor in any what we would consider mega projects. And even with those projects, we look at our 100,000 kilometer of pipe right away right now. With the opportunity to just organically come off of that. You've seen some today with Elwood, you've heard from stan on potentially a modernization, three program. These are just examples of that singles and doubles with lower execution risk that can come off of that. I'd also point to additional five units of Bruce that need refurbishment going forward. So where we land in that 5% to 7% range will depend on the mix of projects that comes out of our organic programs here, how we execute on them, and the cadence of those. I think we indicated that at Investor Day. So it's not necessarily predicated on large scale, new platforms coming into service here and building off of those. So we get about three years visibility on projects. That's what it takes for landing from the commercial landing of these two, getting through the regulatory permitting process and getting shovels in the ground. So we're starting to look at stuff in a decade now. We might get rid of visibility and things like that. Francois alluded to the pump storage project that we're looking at in Ontario. These are the kind of longer tail opportunities that that may be not in that KXL or CGL kind of footprint range, but could meaningfully contribute to that growth going forward.

Francois Poirier

Analyst

Or maybe just add to Don's comments. I think what we've always said is, we can reinvest our free cash flow to 60%. That is generated on an annual basis, into any of core businesses and get a return in that sort of 7% to 8% kind of range. We can generate that kind of 5% to 7% growth rates. You'll pick a number that number has to be about $5 billion on an annual basis that we're looking for right now. And as we looked at the portfolio, as Don said, it's not a big stretch for us to say that we can find $4 billion to $5 billion of in corridor expansion. We'll always look for other platforms for growth. But as we think about our platform, you think about this quarter, where we brought on the Elwood project, for example, $500 million Canadian in a sense, and we've done that sort of your quarter-on-quarter here over the last while getting to $5 billion of capital investment in our quarters, doesn't seem to be a stretch, as Don said. Our maintenance capital, which is for the most part rate regulated is a couple of billion dollars a year that we get return on capital on as Stan pointed out U.S. modernization programs going forward will be over and over and above that. You add to that. You'll be using corridor expansions that we're talking about Bruce Power on an annual basis, if we do complete the balance of the five more unit replacements on average that's $1 billion a year over the next decade or so. And if you think about the expansions that you have talk about across the system into Mexico and other places, you just quickly add up to numbers that you can exceed $4…

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Linda Ezergailis of TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Linda Ezergailis

Analyst

Thank you. I have a question for Bevin as a follow up to Robert Catellier’s question on your Keystone debottlenecking. I'm just wondering beyond the initial 50,000 barrels today that you have already commercially underpinned. How might we think of the timing and the ramp and the commercial attributes of the remaining 120,000 barrels per day that was I believe also on the amended presidential permit?

Bevin Wirzba

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Linda. So, we've been making excellent progress. As you're aware, last year we had an incident at Annenberg and we've been working on our pipeline integrity projects to reestablish and expand the capacity on our base systems. The new amended permit allows us to bring on and ramp up that growth of 50,000 barrels a day in the 2021 timeframe once we've established that we can safely deliver our product. So the balance, we still remain 35,000 barrels a day of spot on the system and any incremental system and any incremental increase thereafter will determine whether or not there's market demand and capability to use that incremental capacity.

Linda Ezergailis

Analyst

And that would require some sort of additional pumping and looping? Or what would be the scope and scale and any sort of investments required to add beyond that?

Bevin Wirzba

Analyst

No, again, that would, the initial, as I mentioned on the 50,000, that is truly through DRA any other incremental look at optimizing the base system and may have some modest capital requirements, but we'll look at those in the future.

Linda Ezergailis

Analyst

That's helpful. Thank you. And a follow-up question with respect to gas rate filing. I guess we'll see it filed tomorrow, but how can we think of if you were to get everything that was applied for, and what would the list be in EBITDA for the company potentially?

Stan Chapman

Analyst

Linda, this is Stan, there question, but, with all due respect, having not yet filed the case, I just don't want to front run the process. There are still lots of discussions that we have to have with our customers, regulators, and stakeholders, and until we do we're really just not in a position to provide guidance on any ultimate outcome. So what I would suggest is that David and his team are in the loop and I'm sure that they'll follow up with you as appropriate.

Linda Ezergailis

Analyst

Thank you. I appreciate that. Are you able to share any attributes beyond the scale as a modernization? That would be a new and significant step changes in kind of the current run rate of how you're running ANR our Columbia gas.

Stan Chapman

Analyst

Yes. Again, just out of respect for the process and I feel like any details, because we have not yet shared all this with our customers. So if I can just ask you to maybe hold that question we can follow up with you and then I will see just in the future.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Asit Sen of Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Asit Sen

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning. Just coming back to the ESG energy transition topic. As we look into future scenarios, just wondering how you're thinking about, the financial framework, a discount rate terminal value for these green projects to attract capital. Just broadly how you’re thinking about it.

Don Marchan

Analyst

Yes. I'll start out its Don here. We were looking similar to our adjusting investments. We're not looking to deploy capital and below our cost to capital we're looking for a decent return on it and factored into that is exactly what you've outlined. What are your cash flows during the project during the contract ranks or within rate base? And it depends on the technology and the contractual structure and the regulatory structure that is behind these things. How much residual risk or how much residual value is associated with the post-contract period.

Russ Girling

Analyst

I think generally speaking, I would say that, we'll continue to look at fundamentals. From a fundamental perspective, is there demand for that project and evidence of that usually is in somebody willing to pay for that under some sort of contractual or rate regulated structure. So I would say that, what we'd be seeking use is projects that are within kind of what we've had is this historical risk preferences. And I would expect that our discount rates will be better, therefore, similar to our discount rates that we would apply to two existing projects. One of the cornerstones of sustainability is obviously financial, sustainability and attraction of capital and that you need to have the stability of revenue to attract capital in the manner that we've attracted capital on a historic basis. So I think what you can expect from us is the same discipline and great. And what we know is based on growth in demand for these projects, those kinds of situations will exist. You've seen us invest in renewables in the past. We've been in hydro, we've been in wind, we've been in solar. And all those situations where we can't deal with the same sort of investment criteria that we have for all of our other assets. So that's what you can expect from us going forward. And I guess the bottom line we do see substantial opportunity out there that's emerging in this transition. And one of the biggest ones that we see right now is the intermittency issue with respect to renewable energy, either through batteries or pump storage or some way we're going to have to sort of feel that intermittency. And then through things like our investment in Bruce Power, you'll bring on baseload power to augment these renewable energy in Ontario has been great niche. And we figured out a way to operate in Ontario that balances the system on a daily basis. And that appears to be valuable to the Ontario system operator and to Ontario residents. So the returns that we're getting there are consistent with returns that we would achieve in other parts of our business. So we see lots of promise on the horizon. And we'll just continue to be careful and disciplined as we allocate capital in that direction.

Don Marchan

Analyst

Yes, physically, the assets may look different than financially they -- the stream should look very familiar to our investors.

Asit Sen

Analyst

Very helpful. Appreciate the color . If I could shift to Mexico, in a post-COVID world. Could you update us your views in Mexico? Obviously the volumetrics look pretty good at $1.6 billion, and EBITDA look good. But just opportunities and risk in that marketplace.

Frncois Poirier

Analyst

Sure, it's Francois. So I think we take a long-term perspective on Mexico. We think that the growth and introduction of low cost natural gas from the U.S. Gulf Coast into the Mexican economy is a strong strategic imperative for the country. It'll be a strong driver of macroeconomic growth going forward and is consistent with the Mexican government and the CFCs ambitions with respect to power generation and its own market share ambitions. The way they're going to achieve those targets is through increased supply of natural gas into the country. So our assets position there. Again, once again long-term contracts 20 years or longer U.S. dollar denominated with a credit worthy counterparty are consistent with our risk preferences. We're comfortable with our investments in the country. And to the extent, there's opportunity, and we do see some opportunity for us to increase conductivity. We've built the backbone now. And we're completing work on the backbone of the infrastructure in Mexico. There'll be an opportunity for us to increase asset utilization through connecting with additional power plants with additional industrial load via petrochemical or otherwise. And so in the medium term, that's what I think you'll see from us in terms of incremental capital investment. Those tend to be along the corridor, lower risk and reasonable returns. And to the extent there are opportunities to expand or extend that backbone into other markets as the economy grows, we'll be ready to do so.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Rob Hope of Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Rob Hope

Analyst

Good morning everyone. Just one from me. Good to see the $400 million U.S. expansion on ANR. Just want to get a sense of how discussions are going for similar and further kind of singles and doubles of your pipeline expansion project? Are we seen a shift away from we'll call a supply push projections is a focus now more on the demand pool.

Stan Chapman

Analyst

Yeah. Hey, Rob. This is Stan. I could answer that. As I noted on some of our prior calls, just given the size and extent of our footprint, I expect us to originate anywhere between $0.5 billion to $1 billion new book projects each year. With the announcement of the Elwood project today, we're not only on track to meet that in 2020, but we're clearly trending towards the high side. So going forward, I do see a little bit of a shift from the supply push to demand pool. For example, from a macro perspective, gas fired power gen is expected to grow by 3 BcF a day between now and 2023 and about 7 Bcf a day between now and 2030, and have every expectation that we'll compete for and win our fair share of that. As a matter of fact, we're currently pursuing a couple of other gas fired power gen projects right now on the ANR and Columbia System, one of which is very similar to the Elwood project and I think we'll have at least one of them closed out by year end. We still remain well-positioned to capture growth in the LNG export markets as we await the opening of economies due to the pandemic. And then lastly, I would just point out that while it's unfortunate that the dominion is our longer pursuing its APP project, I should note that there's still a need to get incremental gas supply down to those markets in the Southeast. We have a little bit more hallmark yet to do. But that very well may be in a position to serve at least a portion of that load through appraise and modifications to our existing infrastructure. And to do so perhaps without any builds through the Appalachian trail or national parks So, a little bit more work to do there. So, stay tuned. Maybe the one thing that's left there on the supply side, at least in the short-term is that Bakken Express project. The impact of COVID-19 on oil prices definitely had us hit the pause button on that. But I do remain optimistic that, we're ultimately going to get that project done too, although our origination timeline for doing such in service states are likely going to be pushed back a bit. So, as we can see, there's still many, many growth opportunities left that we're pursuing, and we're going to continue to focus on constructable, permittable in-quarter expansions that are primarily compression related.

Tracy Robinson

Analyst

Rob, let me add a little bit to that. This is Tracy. I'll add some on the Canadian gas type system. As you know we're in the middle of a quite a large program right now and that program is both supply and demand driven. But I think as we see forward and come through that, the WCSB is the depletion rate on our system vote to BcF a day per year. So we will look to reconnect that amount of gas each year to just keep our supply going. And of course, we're connecting that in the Montney region on an increasing basis, 80% of our supply now comes from that area. But we also see opportunities for rifle shot connections within the Alberta system from an industrial perspective and we look to use kind of that remaining kind of capacity on the main line strategically to make sure that the WCSB volumes are getting into the continental North American markets kind of effectively and competitively. We will always, look, we think the WCSB gas is very economic and competitive, and we think it should when the LNG markets ride themselves, it should then take a place in those markets as well. That's a longer term basis, but we're looking for all of that. So we have, we see past the current program that we have in place right now, which goes to 2023 to 2024. We do see a continued expansion organically of our existing right away.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Praneeth Satish of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Praneeth Satish

Analyst

Good morning. Just one question from me, can you may be providing more details on the capacity optimization, open season on NGTL? And I guess specifically how your customers are thinking about growth in the current environment. And then maybe in the context of that, how much capacity in total was deferred relative to your prior outlook?

Tracy Robinson

Analyst

Happy to do that. It is you are where we've got a very large now almost $10 billion expansion program underway on NGTL. And we believe all that of course is based on contracted demand. And we believe strongly in the fundamentals, WCSB prices have been stable this summer. They're strong if you look up the curve, it's a very competitive basin, but we did want given all of the announcements early in the year round changes to capital investments on the producer side, we want to just to check in and see how much that capacity was needed. So the open season gave an opportunity for those who had contracted on the expansion to advanced contracts, to differed contract and to the turned that contract under certain circumstances. And so is that all netted out, what we learned through that is that all of that capacity is still required. Some of it, is required in different timeframes. So we did see, we will see some advancing, some contracts will advance. We're seeing some capacity be deferred by a season or up to a year. And we're just putting together the new capital program that will reflect that. But the good news in this and the strong in we expected it was that, our customers want this capacity and they see the same fundamentals in this station that we do.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the question-and-answer session. If there are any further questions, please contact TC Energy investor relations. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Moneta. Please go ahead Mr. Moneta.

David Moneta

Analyst

Thanks very much to all of you for participating this morning. We recognize it's a busy time, so we appreciate your interest in TC Energy. And we very much look forward to talking to you again soon. Thanks and have a great day.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.