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Q4 2020 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 16, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the 2020 Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Aaron Hoffman. Please go, ahead.

Aaron Hoffman

Analyst

Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us today. I hope that all of you remain safe and healthy. On the call today, we have Chris Cartwright, President and Chief Executive Officer and Todd Cello, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. We’ve posted our earnings release and slides to accompany this call on the TransUnion Investor Relations website. Our earnings release and the accompanying slides include various schedules, which contain more detailed information about revenue, operating expenses and other items as well as certain non-GAAP disclosures and financial measures, along with the corresponding reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to their most directly comparable GAAP measures. Today’s call will be recorded and a replay will be available on our website. We will also be making statements during this call that are forward-looking. These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions and are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially from those described in the forward-looking statements because of factors discussed in today’s earnings release and the comments made during this conference call and in our most recent Form 10-K, Forms 10-Q and other reports and filings with the SEC. We do not undertake any duty to update any forward-looking statement. With that, let me turn the time over to Chris.

Chris Cartwright

Analyst

Thanks, Aaron. And let me add my welcome and my best wishes that you and your families are healthy. As we started New Year, I want to once again thanks for more than 8,000 TransUnion associates, who continue to work diligently from their homes throughout this pandemic, in order to support the needs of our customers and consumers in these uncertain times. Our client service hasn't missed a beat and it's all due to their amazing efforts. I also I also appreciate how they've supported TransUnion’s embrace of social justice causes during this time of turmoil and transition in the U.S. We continue to focus on diversity and inclusion among our associates and in the communities we serve. On our last call, I discussed our total impact taskforce, more clearly conveyed the intention of the taskforce, we renamed it Racial Equity Taskforce. While the name is changed, the mission remains the same to combine and connect TransUnion’s efforts to support racial equity and social justice. The taskforce will amplify our advocacy and outreach through consumer tools and support designed to improve access to economic opportunity. For example, we partner with the credit builders alliance, which helps underserved communities to build credit. Additionally, we will double our corporate giving in 2021, in Chicago and Philadelphia, the locations of TransUnion’s two largest offices. We also have reallocated funds from sports partnerships to charities in our communities that support racial equity. We see further opportunities to partner with local organizations that promote grassroots targeted support for underserved communities, such as my block, my hood, my city in Chicago and the Covenant House in Philadelphia. The taskforce will also reexamine the use of data in our analytics and solutions to ensure that all uses are consistent with our values and the goal of financial…

Todd Cello

Analyst

Thanks, Chris. We delivered solid results at the high end of our guidance as we benefited from gradual improvement across almost all of our markets as well as the strength and diversity of our portfolio. I'll start with our consolidated results. And for the sake of simplicity, all of the comparisons I discussed today will be against the fourth quarter of 2019 unless noted otherwise. So starting with the income statement, fourth quarter consolidated revenue increased 2% on a recorded and constant currency basis to signal in Tru Optik acquisitions had just under 1 point of impact. Adjusted EBITDA decreased 2% on a reported basis and constant currency basis. Our adjusted EBITDA margin was 38.5%, down about 170 basis points compared with the year ago quarter. As Chris pointed out we have aggressively invested in our business this year and that had some impact on the margin along with the broader macro challenges of the pandemic. Fourth quarter adjusted diluted EPS increased 7%. Our adjusted EBITDA was down slightly, we continue to benefit from reduced interest expense related to our debt refinancing and lower LIBOR rates as well as a lower adjusted tax rate of 21.9%. The lower tax rate reflects our tax planning initiatives and the reduction in the statutory rate in India. Now looking at segment financial performance, the U.S. markets revenue was up 4% compared to the year ago quarter. The two media acquisitions had about 1.5 points of impact on revenue. Our financial services vertical revenue grew 7%. As Chris discussed, we saw improvement in consumer lending continued strength in mortgage as well as stability in card and auto. And to address the significant impact of mortgage in the quarter excluding the cyclical growth the vertical would have declined mid-single digits. Emerging verticals were flat on…

Chris Cartwright

Analyst

Well, thank you, Todd. And to conclude this morning, you've heard more about the meaningful progress we've made in fundamentally improving TransUnion to Project Rise, Global Operations and Solutions. Each delivers immense value to TransUnion over the long-term, and in tandem, they have an even greater potential to help us sustain industry leading top line growth and an attractive and growing margin. At the same time, our business continues to perform well in the midst of some very challenging conditions. I'll end by reiterating I hope that all of you and your families are safe and healthy. And thank you for joining us this morning. So with that, I'll turn the time back to Aaron.

Aaron Hoffman

Analyst

Great. Thanks, Chris. That concludes our prepared remarks. So for the Q&A, we ask that you each ask only one question so that we can include more participants. And now let's jump into those questions.

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. [Operator Instructions] At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question comes from Jeff Meuler with Baird. Please go ahead.

Jeff Meuler

Analyst

Yes, thank you. On mortgage, what percentage of your consolidated revenue was U.S. mortgage in 2020? And the reason I ask is, I thought it was lower than 20%. But you're saying its 10% market declines about a 2 point headwind, I wouldn't think that there's share shifts given that it's mostly selling to the tri merge resellers. But if you could just clarify what's the exposure and maybe help score the minus 10 two point headwind? Thanks.

Todd Cello

Analyst

Hey, Jeff. Good morning. And thank you for the question. This is Todd. I'll take that one. So as far as your mortgage earned, historically TransUnion spoken about our overall exposure to U.S. mortgage being roughly maybe 7% to 8% of revenue that went up last year to about 13% which is very -- obviously very significant, but not something that we anticipate that will stay at that level throughout 2021, as we both kind of alluded to in our opening remarks. We do expect mortgage to continue to be relatively stable to maybe slightly decline in the first half of the year. But right now, the visibility that we have with mortgage would just suggest that there would be a slowdown and the way that, again, that we've put it is 10% decline in our mortgage revenues, specifically in -- for the full year and again, that that will temporarily happen in the second half of 2021.

Jeff Meuler

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Manav Patnaik with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Manav Patnaik

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Just a broad question, Chris, 2021 was always going to be a lot of moving pieces. And it sounds like you've taken a relatively conservative approach to stock, correct me if I'm wrong there, but just looking out into 2022? Do you see any notable moving pieces perhaps media, gaming, some other categories where you think could be in a notable contributed to the growth to getting you back to kind of what we used to historically.

Chris Cartwright

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead.

Yes, good morning, Manav. So as I commented before, I think ‘21 will be a bit of a mixed bag, the first half and the second half will be different. The first half is likely to be choppier just given the state of the public health situation. But in markets like the U.S. as vaccines are rolled-out and I think the population returns to health, you'll see a material strengthening across the different verticals in which we compete. And that leads to a stronger second half. And also I expect that we will roll with some good momentum into 2022. And start to compound the top line, in a manner consistent with what we have done previously. That's certainly the aspiration at this point. I would say that mortgage remains the critical wildcard here, over the course of ‘21. As Todd just said, we are modeling in about a 10% decline in the category. And it has swelled [30%] of our revenue, so it's more material than previous. With that said, nobody's crystal ball is perfect. And it is quite material to the financial results that we've outlined in our guidance this morning. So the best I can tell you is, one we provided more detail into how we arrived at the number than we typically would and will ongoing. And two, if we see a material change in our assumptions, we'll certainly communicate with the market quickly because we will have a direct bearing on the results. And then the last thing I would say is look as our economy heals from the pandemic, we start to get back to normal. And I take more of a global perspective here, there are key components of our portfolio that will return to health and growth that have been somewhat uniquely…

Todd Cello

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead.

Yes, Chris. Yes, I think that was a very comprehensive. I would just highlight a couple of more things and I think it just comes again out of our opening remarks. We've deliberately made a significant effort into the media vertical. So we are expecting at least in about ’22 that media will be a meaningful -- start to be a meaningful contributor for us. And as well as our fraud business and as Chris, again spoke about in his openings or comments we've done a significant amount of work to get that on a common platform, rebranded it to true validate our expected on some really good growth there as well as, let's not lose sight of the fact that our FinTech customers have been hit particularly hard by the pandemic and I think our expectation is they'll get more aggressive as we go through ‘21 with their marketing campaigns. I think the key point there is, let's not say that the strong relationships that we have already intact and the leading positions there, and that we fully expect that market, to rebound. So that'll be another really nice growth driver for us in employment too. Then , our insurance and healthcare verticals as well, too, I think are poised to continue to recover this year, but continues so nicely.

Chris Cartwright

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead.

Yes, so, I mean, look, Manav, you have touched on a really good question. So the way I think about how we resumed the growth that the markets come to expect from us, it really breaks down into four buckets. The first is that as the pandemic recedes, the underlying geographies and verticals that we serve are going to heal and there's nothing structural that's changed there. Two, will also resume the momentum from our product portfolio that was -- that represents all the investment in innovation that we've accumulated, right? We've got a strong -- we have many generations of product development that are still in the early-to-mid stages of adoption, this market heals, you're going to see those driving growth. On top of it and again, referencing the point Todd just made, we've got other vintages of growth that we're layering on. One is the repositioning of our [fraud] business, which we'll talk -- we've talked about in some detail, where we're bringing together the multiple fraud assets that we've acquired in creating a single global fraud growth platform focused on the most global segments for our business. We've also invested a lot in data analytics and modeling tools via Prama, we're launching the employment verification in income, vector, we continue to add new data types. And look, there's a multitude of growth categories in addition to what we've done in the media that represents the third component. And again, as always we remain active looking for complimentary M&A internationally we're always hopeful we can find geographies that we can enter. And specifically we can really improve the operations of the credit bureau. And in the U.S. really to fuel our global product development and then we're looking to add capabilities that compliment the needs that we're servicing in our clients. So potentially more than you bargained for, but that's, that's our thoroughly answer.

Manav Patnaik

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead.

I appreciate that. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Toni Kaplan with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Toni Kaplan

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Wanted to ask about verification, how quickly can you ramp up that business? I know you mentioned some wins already in the [peered] launch in second half with your MX partnership. Can you just talk about your go-to-market strategy and the differentiation versus competition? And then in terms of records growth, I guess, have you added more records since that initial payroll provider? And what kind of pace do you expect to grow records going forward? I imagine it may be tougher after that sort of initial really large number that you got from that partnership? Thanks.

Chris Cartwright

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Yes, sure, Toni. I mean, obviously, this is a really exciting extension, to our product portfolio. And we think we can differentiate by really streamlining access to the credit and the employment and income verification through a common digital connection, right really leveraging the pathways that was established already. But as you know, from my comments, last time around, I tried to caution the market that, this is not a category that we're going to achieve parity with the market leader in one quarter, this is a entry into an area that is strategically important and complimentary, that we're going to put with full weight of our product resources and innovation behind developing a product that really can compete, but that will take time. In the interim, we're in a phase where we are productizing, the data and the pipeline relationships that we've established via , the large payroll processor in MX Technologies. And you're right, Toni, over time, our focus is going to be on broader and broader market coverage, which means you've got to establish more relationships. And then market coverage will be both with payroll processors, potentially other types of data providers, and these financial aggregators that will allow us to cascade broad market coverage across banks FinTech’s, and credit providers. So we're in this for the long haul, we're just -- I'm just not able right now to give you like financial precision on dollar or growth rates. But look, as you know, this is a really big market. I love the competitive dynamics, I love the fact that we can pull together an offering. And we can start attacking and learning and gaining share. And that's our intention.

Toni Kaplan

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Andrew Steinerman with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Andrew Steinerman

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Hi, it’s Andrew. I'd like to look back at Slide 11 and 12 for the U.S. financial markets, this is the consumer credit activity, which really is broadly up in, not just mortgage, but auto, card consumer lending, this orange line over blue -- over yellow line. And so I'm just a little bit puzzled by the first quarter organic revenue guide of 0 to 1 year-over-year, which is, a bit of a deceleration total company from the 1% you guys just reported? And so given the credit activity, I'm asking, do you see organic revenue growth acceleration in financial services in the first quarter? And if not, why maybe puzzle together the other segments to help us understand the zero to 1 veteran total?

Todd Cello

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, Andrew, This is Todd, let me let me take that question from you. And I think it's an important one to talk through in some more detail. So starting first, when you do look at Slides 11 and 12, it is important to remember that this represents online credit report volumes for our U.S. markets financial services vertical only. And just to give you kind of a perspective on that in 2020 our financial services vertical did about $939 million, so roughly about 35% of our revenues. So just that's important to keep in mind, even though the $939 million the volumes represents a certain percentage of that probably higher than online, but we also do a significant amount of batch work as you know, already, right. That's also part of that number. So I think the way that with that set is context. So I think the thing that's important also to keep in mind is just simply the comparable that we're up against in Q1 of ‘21 compared to last year. At a consolidated basis, if you were to look at Q4, 2019 to Q1, 2020 our growth rate on the consolidated basis went from 9.9 times to 10.8, which was about 1 point of growth. And for our U.S. market, financial services vertical, the growth rate went from 16.5 up to 21.8 in Q1, ‘20. So that's about 5 points of growth. So think about the comparable that that we're up against. So when you look at that then go, okay but now go sequentially from Q4, ‘20, the quarter that we just exited, where our percentage, we grew at 1.5%, now you're looking at our guide or we're calling for flat to up 1 , in Q1 of ‘21. When you get into the decimals on this, that that 1 might actually be maybe 1.5, potentially at the high end. So for all intensive purposes, if we achieve the high, we could be asked for the same growth rate that we experienced in Q4 of ‘20. So the comp and that growth rates important. Now, to the point about just the overall mix of what we're looking at on Slides 11 and 12. Please do keep in mind the international business has had a different recovery than what we've experienced in the U.S. So when we look at ‘21, we would expect our international business to experience their softest quarter in Q1 relative to the rest of the year. And as you saw, we're calling for the full year to be up high single-digits for international. So that hopefully answered your question, Andrew.

Andrew Steinerman

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Sure. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Gary Bisbee with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Gary Bisbee

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Hey, guys, good morning. This is I think the second quarter in -- either in a row or in the last couple where you've given some numbers around new business wins in U.S. financial services. And I guess I'll ask you a question that was asked last time, if you can help us understand anymore. But how does that 40% increase in dollar value flow through to revenue? Is there anything about that that would make it flow through more slowly, like higher mix of multiyear versus one year anything like that? Because it, yes that's a big number. And maybe the other part of it too that's just new wins? What about losses or what about customers leaving stuff like that? Just help frame how to think about that as a driver of revenue in the next year? Thank you.

Chris Cartwright

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Yes, good question, Gary. the first thing I would say is that, in terms of attrition for whatever reasons, there's no change that we're aware of, right. And so there's nothing to really counteract that increase in the estimated annual contract value of the deals that we closed in ‘20. Now, revenue arrival is a different [annual] than contracted sales. And it varies based on variety of factors. One is the time it's going to take to integrate to the clients and establish those relationships and in certain cases, how long it takes them to incorporate their data or render our data into their models either marketing or origination or collections, et cetera. So there can be a lag time. Related to that there can also be some time until clients ramped to their full volume potential. I would be remiss if I didn't mention that sometimes salespeople can be overly enthusiastic with the potential deal, size of the deal. Although I can't give you any evidence that their enthusiasm -- their enthusiasm has changed over the course of the pandemic. So look, a 40% increase in dollar close doesn't lead to a 40% increase in the new portion of our revenues in the coming year. But it is a really tremendous indication of the health of our product line, our sales efforts and our client’s health as well. And the other thing I would just mention is that, new wins represent a new layer of revenue that we're laying upon a deep and established foundation. And it's really the volume movements in the foundation have a much more material impact on our revenue in the coming year or in the current period than does the increment, right. So I'll just pause there.

Gary Bisbee

Analyst · Bank of America. Please go ahead.

That's helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Andrew Jeffrey with Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Andrew Jeffrey

Analyst · Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning, gentlemen. Appreciate the question and all the comments and color and other a lot of moving pieces here. Chris, I've got a question specifically about your media initiatives. TransUnion has terrific differentiated data and you've done a great job of commercializing it in the past, it strikes me media is one of these spaces that is very competitive. And there have been some companies, we've seen in around FinTech that have tried to crack the code and have maybe been less successful than they would have expected or just paid it. Can you just elaborate on why you think you have the ability to outperform in that vertical?

Chris Cartwright

Analyst · Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Yes, sure. Well, up to your point, the media market or the market for digital advertising services is enormous and varied. We have chosen kind of a surgical entry into a portion of that market, where I feel that our matching logic in some differentiated data provides us with an advantage with an opportunity to introduce a best-in-class solution. Now before we had a media vertical, we were supporting different various ad tech companies in matching online and offline data because TransUnion and the Bureau's in general are just really good at that. And we know that our matching logic is superior to the standard that prevails in that marketplace. And so with that experience and that insight we decided to formalize the offering into a specific vertical offering. As we started to gain more experience we realized that we needed to deliver our data, all of our customer identifying data, demographic and segmentation type of data on a different platform with a user friendly access. So immediate clients can come in and slice and dice and create the audiences that they were interested in. And then we can append the digital identity and other offline, characterizing information that they could use to drive their advertising campaigns. When we bought Tru Optik, though we gained a differentiated data set because they are one of the early leaders in the market to provide insight as to which homes are consuming content via which streaming devices via video or audio, right. And so now we have differentiated data sets that we can add to our universe of data in our segmentation tool. And then also combine that with our matching, practical example of it is an advertiser can find out now that a particular home address mine or yours, as Apple TV has Netflix, uses Hulu, et cetera. But they don't know much about the household. With TransUnion, we can do that matching and say that the occupants of the household has certain characteristics, maybe a demographic, care -- just a whole range of kind of marketing, characterizing and segmenting variables. So again, it's our narrow and surgical focus into a portion of this market where I think we're upping the game. That's our value proposition. And that's why we're confident we can achieve growth.

Andrew Jeffrey

Analyst · Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Thank you. I appreciate that.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from George Mihalos with Cowen. Please go ahead.

George Mihalos

Analyst

Hey, guys, thanks. Thanks for taking my questions. I just wanted to ask on the Consumer Interactive vertical and specifically the guidance of up slightly for revenue. How should we be thinking about the direct versus indirect throughout the course of 2021? It is there -- is already reason why the indirect shouldn't return to growth by the back half of the year? Thank you.

Todd Cello

Analyst

Hi, George, good morning. This is Todd. I will take that question for you. So I think what we're anticipating in our Consumer Interactive business is obviously specific to channel. So first, in the direct channel throughout 2020 we did experience a heightened level of consumer interest in monitoring credit. And we took advantage of that by doing some marketing to attract consumers to our webpage and offer those services. And then conversely in the indirect channel as spoken about we've definitely headwinds, it would the lead aggregate, as many of the financial services customers pull back on their marketing activity. So as you get into ‘21, we are expecting probably a more normalized growth level in the direct channel. And so not as high as [indiscernible] in ‘20. And then in the indirect channel, we are still expecting some softness in the lead aggregator base softness that we've seen over the last couple of quarters, persist, going forward with the potential for and recovery, probably in – later of the --

George Mihalos

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Shlomo Rosenbaum with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Shlomo Rosenbaum

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. Hey, Chris, can you talk a little bit more about the reorientation of the fraud business strategically what -- what's involved in that besides pulling it together under one platform or one brand, like what -- I guess on the ground, what are you going to be doing differently, really and the business from what I understand is actually a pretty particularly strong business. And so what's going to change now?

Chris Cartwright

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

Yes, thanks for the question, Shlomo. Yes, it is a strong business that continues to deliver neither nice growth across all of our markets. As you know from my prior commentary, it's a business that's composed of variety of piece parts, some of which are overlapping or redundant as you look at the different geographies that we serve. And so part of what we're trying to do is or what we have done is we've looked across our portfolio and we said what are the best-in-class within TransUnion product components that we have and how do we integrate those on top of this single product platform with orchestration, with case management, with all of the different reporting and measurement controls that you would like. And look, the ultimate integration around an enterprise architecture, any single product platform, that's going to happen over a period of time because that's heavy lifting engineering type of work, right. And the need to do the work is just a function of the fact that the business developed in the U.S., it developed internationally, we acquire innovation, we acquired a really nice and fast growing business in call credit. And frankly, when you talk about integration there's multiple levels from the kind of more surface to the deep and foundational and we're committed to doing all of it. The next thing is really just a function of the market segments that we're prioritizing. So different types of customers have different fraud needs. And we have a particular strength serving those market segments where they are initiating a relationship, a financial relationship of some nature, where the magnitude of the transactions and the risk associated with transactions over the term of the relationship is going to be somewhat significant. And therefore, the upfront customer identification, device…

Shlomo Rosenbaum

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Hamzah Mazari with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Hamzah Mazari

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, thank you. You had touched a little on sort of Project Rise contributing $20 million to $30 million in savings in 2023. But maybe if you could just touch on how to think about global operations and global solutions. What inning are we in terms of seeing those benefits rolled through the P&L? Is that more of a 2023 event too?

Chris Cartwright

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Yes, it’s a good question. Yes, I think global operations and global solutions and the later solutions, if you really think of this vector product management layer within TransUnion. They're delivering benefits already. However, as I've mentioned, we're aggressively investing in new product development and entering new markets and also in operational streamlining and automation and all of those things. So we're using some of the early benefits that we're getting from those initiatives to cell phones and accelerate the implementations of full global programs that are going to free up a lot of resources that we will then invest in both product development to accelerate and really secure high single-digit or top line compounding that we aspire to, but also delivering margin improvements to the business. Collectively, Project Rise are the technology retooling the operations and solutions. They are going to have really material impact on how effectively we operate in the market and having spent a year strategizing and implementing which was ‘20 and now going into ‘21, and really accelerate the implementation. I'm really excited in increasing the confidence of the positive impact we're going to have.

Hamzah Mazari

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our final question comes from Kevin Mcveigh with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Kevin Mcveigh

Analyst

Great, thanks so much. Hey, Chris I wonder, given the investments you're making, particularly around [products] and things like that, just about how that impacts your new product innovation. And this might not be able to innovate more effectively, ultimately, what that can lead to the organic growth of the business if those products coming to market?

Chris Cartwright

Analyst

Yes, good. So I think what you're asking Kevin is, how is the current wave of tech innovation? That's coming out of products, Project Spark, we can call Project Rise and the migration of the cloud and the, standardization around an enterprise architecture, all of that. And the short answer is that, it will definitely speed to market new product ideas, right? Because one will be leveraging IP globally and two by utilizing the public cloud, there's a lot of utility functionality around the acquisition, the care and the maintenance of underlying hardware and connectivity and even security infrastructure that we will purchases and service. There's also components to software development that we can acquire directly from our cloud service providers as services. And so the technology new product development for TransUnion becomes more focused on those areas of unique IP and value add that we bring, as diversified information services provider anchored in credit and all of the unique insights we have around the vertical market needs.

Aaron Hoffman

Analyst

Excellent. So that that brings us to the end of the call today. Thank you everyone for joining us. We hope again that you are all well doing well and staying safe and healthy. We'll look forward to seeing you and talking with you in the New Year. Have a great rest of the day.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.