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Q1 2012 Earnings Call· Fri, Apr 20, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Ingersoll-Rand First Quarter 2012 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for this conference call, Ms. Janet Pfeffer. You may begin, ma'am.

Janet Pfeffer

Analyst

Good morning. Thank you, Kevin. Welcome to our first quarter 2012 conference call. We released earnings at 7:00 a.m. this morning and the release is posted on our website. We'll be broadcasting, in addition to this phone call, through our website at ingersollrand.com, where you will find the slide presentation that we will be using this morning. The call will be recorded and archived on our website. If you would please go to Slide 2. Statements made in today's call that are not historical facts are considered forward-looking statements and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor Provisions of securities law. Please see our SEC filings for a description of some factors that may cause actual results to vary from anticipated. This release also includes non-GAAP measures, which are explained in the financial tables attached to our news release. Now I'd like to introduce the participants on this morning's call. We have Mike Lamach, Chairman, President and CEO; Steve Shawley, Senior Vice President and CFO; and Joe Fimbianti, Director of Investor Relations. With that, please go to Slide 3. And I'll turn it over to Mike.

Michael Lamach

Analyst

Thanks, Janet. Good morning, and thank you for joining us on today's call. Earnings per share from continuing operations for the first quarter were $0.31, $0.08 above the midpoint of our guidance range of $0.20 to $0.26. And as usually the case, there were some puts and takes from the quarter. The tax rate and other income expense went favorable by about $0.01 each. We had a favorable stock-based compensation adjustment of $0.03 that was not in the forecast. Restructuring spend was about in line with our estimate. Higher-than-expected inflation was offset by favorable overhead spending. The margin associated with the higher revenues was essentially the difference between the midpoint of our guidance and the $0.31 we reported. Although somewhat better than our expectations, markets were generally in line with our outlook for a slow growth environment. In the first quarter, we saw a revenue growth of 3% excluding the Hussmann refrigeration business from the 2011 comparison. We experienced moderate growth in revenues in Industrial and low growth in Climate and Security. Residential revenues were down year-over-year as Residential HVAC revenues declined high-single digits, while Residential Security revenues were up high teens. As a reminder, last year's first quarter HVAC revenues were strong, up 12% from channel restocking. Excluding Hussmann, orders were up 6% and 7% excluding currency. Operating margin for the quarter was 6.7%, down 30 basis points versus prior year. If we exclude Hussmann from last year, margins in Q1 were down 90 basis points from first quarter 2011. Although margins improved from pricing and productivity, they were depressed by higher planned restructuring and investment spending year-over-year, as we discussed in the February earnings call. All of our businesses continue to realize positive pricing, and in the first quarter, our pricing outpaced direct material inflation for the fourth…

Steven Shawley

Analyst

Thanks, Mike. Please go to Slide #5. Orders for the first quarter 2012 were up 6% overall and 7% excluding currency. During the quarter, we saw positive year-over-year bookings in all sectors. Global commercial HVAC and Residential HVAC bookings were up high-single digits. Transport demand was up slightly, with strong demand in North America offset by soft European truck trailer orders and significantly lower marine demand. Commercial Security orders in the quarter were up 3%. Industrial orders were up slightly, with strong growth in the Americas offset by weaker activity in Europe and Asia. Please go to Slide 6. Here is a look at the revenue trends by segment. The revenues excluding currency shown on the bottom of the chart give a better view of our organic growth. Note the Climate and the total data for the first quarter excludes Hussmann from the comparisons. First quarter revenues were up 4%, excluding currency. Climate revenues increased 4%. Industrial had a strong but moderating growth at 9%. Residential was down 3% as lower HVAC revenues more than offset Residential Security revenues. Commercial Security revenues were up 2%. On a geographic basis, revenues were up 4% in the U.S. and up 1% in international markets, up 4% internationally, excluding foreign exchange. Please go to Slide #7. This chart walks through the change in operating margin from first quarter 2011 of 7.6% to first quarter 2012, which was 6.7%. This data excludes Hussmann for comparison purposes. The positive impact of volume was more than offset by negative mix, particularly in the Residential HVAC business, and foreign exchange, creating a 50 basis point headwind in margins. Our pricing programs continue to outpace material inflation, adding 140 basis points to margin. Productivity offset by other inflation was neutral to margins. Year-over-year investments and other items were…

Michael Lamach

Analyst

Great. Thanks, Steve, and please go to Slide 14. Our revenue outlook for 2012 was essentially unchanged from the guidance that we gave you in February. Activity to date and our outlook continue to indicate low to moderate growth across our portfolio. Europe has been weak, as expected. Asia has been somewhat softer than our expectations year-to-date. U.S. has been a little stronger in Commercial HVAC. And as expected, we saw moderate growth in transport markets in North America with some contractions in Europe. We see a continuation of the current conditions in residential markets as single-family housing starts and consumer confidence remain at low levels. We expect R-22 and low SEER units to remain a significant portion of a flattish market in 2012. For Commercial Security, we expect to see a continuation of challenging conditions in the U.S. non-residential new construction market for the remainder of the year, particularly in our key institutional markets. Foreign exchange will be a headwind in 2012, adversely impacting growth by about 2 points. We are maintaining our revenue range for full year 2012 of $14 billion to $14.4 billion, that's flat, up 3% compared with 2011 revenue of $14 billion excluding Hussmann. Excluding FX, the organic growth rate is 2% to 5%. Please go to Slide 15. Similarly, we are maintaining our full year EPS from continuing operations guidance range of $2.90 to $3.10. We continue to expect to generate available cash flow of about $1.1 billion. Second quarter revenues are forecast to be $3.8 billion to $3.9 billion. Revenues on a comparable basis, excluding Hussmann, are forecast flat to up 3% versus second quarter of 2011, that includes FX, which will be a headwind of about 2 points. It means excluding FX, revenues will be up 2% to 5%. Earnings per share…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Jeff Hammond with KeyBanc Capital.

Jeffrey Hammond

Analyst

So just to understand the moving pieces a little bit better in 2Q, so your share count is way down and the offsets are the China gain and a higher tax rate. But how should we think about incremental margins on the modest revenue growth relative to some of the negative leverage you saw in 1Q?

Michael Lamach

Analyst

Jeff, maybe what I'll do is give you a bit more of a Q2 bridge here, and then we can talk about the pieces inside that. But last year's second quarter, of course, was $0.92 and it included $0.07 from Hussmann and $0.05 from the gain on a sale we mentioned about the plant in China, which brings us to about an $0.80 starting point. The share count, you're right. 350 million to 315 million is the share count, which adds back $0.09. The restructuring spend will be about $0.03 higher this year. And then if you add volume price mix, it adds about $0.05, assuming a 50% conversion on that. And then if you look at higher investments, productivity and inflation, lower interest and taxes and FX, it nets to about $0.03 negative, and that gets you back to the $0.88 mid-point. When you pull out, sort of the one-times last year, and look at the leverage in Q2, we're estimating it about 20%.

Jeffrey Hammond

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful on the bridge. Then just quickly on Residential, can you talk about what's driving some of the improvement? Is it weather-related? Are you seeing some traction from R-22 and Ameristar?

Michael Lamach

Analyst

Yes, our mix of entry-level systems is up quite a bit. We would have been running at about 62% in the past. We're running at about 66% today. So the strategy of trying to play across the whole portfolio is working in terms of unit volumes for us. Actually, January and February were very slow for us. March was a very big, important month for us. And so it's tough to look at a trend there off one data point in March, but there are some signs that you're seeing, some progress here in the market. In addition, we're in the market with a product at a price point that's competitive. And the factories and supply chain are working as they should. So that's really kind of where we're at right now in that business.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Stephen Volkmann with Jefferies.

Stephen Volkmann

Analyst · Jefferies.

I'm wondering if you could just comment a little bit. It sounds like the raw material cost inflation has been a little ahead of what you've been expecting, which surprises me a little bit. Can you just sort of flush that out, or maybe I'm just reading it wrong.

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Jefferies.

Yes. Actually, material inflation for us has been fairly well-behaved so far this year. In fact, first quarter material inflation was actually somewhat below our original expectations. And our material forecast for the whole year 2012 was not significantly different from what we told you in February. What we're seeing is some other inflation. And that's going to be in areas like freight and logistics, fuel for our service vehicles and then some benefit-related costs.

Stephen Volkmann

Analyst · Jefferies.

Okay, good. That's helpful. And then can you just sort of remind us the way that the restructuring is likely to kind of go through. I think most of it's coming in the first half. And do we expect it to still be a headwind in the second half or actually turn and be a tailwind in the third and fourth quarters?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Jefferies.

Our restructuring forecast for the full year is unchanged from what we said back in February. And the spend, you're right, will be front-end loaded. So versus prior year, it's about $0.07 higher for the full year despite being favorable year-over-year in the second half. So we had a comment about $0.07 in Q1. We essentially were on track with that. We got a bit more to do here in Q2, and then we'll get favorability in the back half of the year. So in total, it's about $0.07 on the year.

Steven Shawley

Analyst · Jefferies.

And there's 2 forms of tailwind in the second half. It's the fact that we're spending it in the first half, we're also getting the productivity and cost reduction in the second half. So it's less spend and more savings in the second half.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David Raso with ISI Group.

David Raso

Analyst · ISI Group.

On the second quarter revenue growth ex FX, ex Hussmann, it's modestly slower than you saw in the first quarter, but your orders has accelerated, the year-over-year growth rate. Can you give us an update of what you're seeing so far quarter-to-date or square up why an acceleration in order growth in the first quarter is giving you slower core growth in 2Q than 1Q?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · ISI Group.

Yes, Dave. I'll give you some puts and takes on that relative to what we were thinking last time we were on the call. One of the surprises for us in Q1 was the strength of the North American Unitary business. And there, we had bookings in the quarter on North America, up 17%. That's also one of the value streams we've been working on now for a couple of years, mainly around cycle times and quick ship on products. And so in a lot of ways, the orders that we took in January and February in that business, we were able to ship in the quarter. So the turn on that business was very quick for us. We also had a similar event happen with Parts and Service, where we saw Parts and Service booking in the Climate business up about 15%, again, very quick turn and ship on that in terms of the ability to deliver services in that area of the business. So some of what we saw in terms of the high bookings in quarter 1 are evidenced in the revenues in quarter 1, where we're able to book and ship that pretty quick. Probably the third one that comes to mind is the Security business in the Americas, where they actually had a quarter which was a little bit better than we expected in the Americas. And for a lot of that business, we're able to ship that in a matter of hours or in a few days as opposed to weeks or months. So that's relatively quick ship as well. So I think it kind of normalizes back down to the view that we had initially for Q2. We, on the flip side of that, saw slower activity in China, particularly in HVAC. We saw slower than a pretty negative outlook that we had in the container business globally, so that was a little bit of a slowdown for us beyond what we had anticipated. So net-net, we think it's a pretty realistic forecast for Q2 revenue.

David Raso

Analyst · ISI Group.

Well, I guess that quick turn of order into shipment in the quarter begs the question. Would you mind giving us the backlog year-over-year March 31 versus the year-over-year backlog growth at the end of the fourth quarter?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · ISI Group.

Yes, Dave, I don't have the backlog numbers in front of me, but we can get you the backlog numbers here probably offline.

David Raso

Analyst · ISI Group.

Okay. Then last question is the back half of the year, you touched on it earlier about some of the tailwinds you'll have year-over-year. But obviously, the implied second half year-over-year growth is also pretty modest, and you expect to turn that into some pretty big margin improvement. Could you quantify the savings? Steve, you had mentioned some of the actions you're taking now. Now which businesses are they in? And how quick a turn -- I mean, can you quantify it? I think that's the only issue around the guidance is maybe the revenue is conservative potentially, maybe not. It's debatable. Second quarter margins don't look that difficult, but the back half is asking for some expansion in margins that we haven't seen in 1Q nor we expect in 2Q. So I'm trying to get a little better clarity around the cost savings you expect in the back half from some of these first half actions.

Steven Shawley

Analyst · ISI Group.

Yes, I think if you look at the productivity piece alone, Dave, first half to second half, we would see at least a $60 million to $70 million pickup in additional productivity because of the early spending of restructuring plus the fact that we're just getting traction on everything we're working on. So we definitely see that type of a jump in just productivity or savings first half to second half. And if you look at the amount of restructuring spend, there's probably another at least, say, probably about $20 million, $25 million less restructuring spend in the second half than the first.

David Raso

Analyst · ISI Group.

Okay. So...

Steven Shawley

Analyst · ISI Group.

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David Raso

Analyst · ISI Group.

Yes, that's a big number, Steve. So the $65 million alone on the implied second half sales would almost be 90 bps right there. And then the productivity, the -- I mean, the lower spend you just cited of $25 million is another 30 bps. So that's 120 bps right there. So really, that $65 million of savings is, I mean, obviously, we'll have to see it play out, if you really can get it. But that $65 million is a big number. That's somewhere of 100 bps margin right there. So the question I have, where is that? Which businesses do you expect that big a save off the first half?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · ISI Group.

Yes, David. It's Mike. One of the things we're going to see here is that what we'll do in the Residential business is essentially we'll have a planned profit increase in the second half of $27 million more than last year on lower revenues there so that is really working itself out over time here as well. Back half of the year as well would have a couple hundred million dollars in revenue for us. So that would leverage, particularly coming into the Climate business, I would assume.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Deane Dray with Citi.

Deane Dray

Analyst · Citi.

I was hoping to get more color in how March actually played out because one of the surprises, at least to me, at the Analyst Day was how the last 2 weeks of March can really drive up to 40% of the quarter's sales. So how did that actually play out? And longer term, how might you change either the sales incentives to get a more level-loaded quarter, or is this just the nature of your end markets?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Citi.

Really, the Res HVAC, Deane, I don't think that incentives are going to drive a different behavior there, although it's interesting to think about that from a dealer and distributor point of view. But the dynamics in the industry are pretty well set in that regard. Yes, that was a place that we really saw the most risk. And so we would have started January kind of down around 20%. We've seen February down around 7%. And then March is just the phenomenal month, up more than 40% in terms of overall bookings. So you get a feel for the kind of risk that goes into a quarter, particularly in the back half of the month of the final -- of March and even in the last week or so. So as we were together at the meeting, we were looking for a big March, and we got a little bigger March than we even thought. So that was a positive sign for us. The other businesses are a lot more linear than that. The exceptions are going to be those that are either Climate-related, which would be like commercial office space, where we have unitary product going into that market, would be a bit more seasonal, as well as the construction cycles for some of the institutional markets, schools, in particular, would drive a little bit of non-linearity for us in our outlook.

Deane Dray

Analyst · Citi.

And then over on the Climate side, in the marine market, this quarter, you saw a high-profile competitor enter the marine controls market. Now this is not a captive player, but does it change any of the dynamics from your perspective?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Citi.

Yes -- no, we're aware of that. They're a supplier to us in a few areas. I don't think it changes the dynamics much on that, in that we both have our own controls, and we partner with Emerson or before that, JCI, in that business. So I don't think it changes a whole lot.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Nigel Coe with Morgan Stanley.

Nigel Coe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

So I just wanted to dig into the strength that you called out in the North American unitary market. To what extent do you think that's a fundamental turn in the market versus a little bit of weather impact?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Yes, Nigel, it was really -- it's interesting because the Dodge [ph] even data would support in the non-institutional markets that, that was an area of growth in the quarter. I think it's a combination. It was really in office and retail and that's going to have factors that include sort of aging systems much like you see in the Res business, as well as some seasonal factors, as well as, of course, warm winter and a little early spring and summer. So I think all of that kind of combined. Our focus has been on really trying to look at some of that discretionary quick ship business. We've been targeting that. I think we had some success there as well in being able to convert some of that business and compete a little differently on cycle times there. So I think that contributed as well.

Nigel Coe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

And how would you characterize the applied markets?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

It's very interesting, Americas was strong in terms of bookings. EMEA was okay, about as expected. Asia was weak. And Asia for us, we're about split 50% China, 50% rest of Asia. Rest of Asia was okay. Now China was very weak. But I was in China and India a couple of weeks ago. I was in China, actually, early April, and we picked up an order there from a customer for 100,000 tons of cooling on a single order. That's spread over the course of a year or so. But yes, that's some of these large orders that can swing you still there for us. So I think that the market is going to recover in China. I think by the end of the year, we'll see sort of a recovery take place, but the first quarter was very weak.

Nigel Coe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

But then going from 1Q to 2Q, I mean, some companies we cover are talking about visibility in China getting better. Growth rate is picking up in 2Q. Are you seeing that in your market?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Yes, I mean, as evidenced, the order that we got when I was there would be a good sign of that. But also just going through the reviews inside the company there, there was a lot of visibility about what's happening in the market. I didn't get a sense that the activity level was down. I walked away feeling good about the balance of the year.

Nigel Coe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

And then just quickly digging into the operating leverage for 2Q. You talked about 20% underlying incremental margins in 2Q. If we take away Residential, which I'm sure will be impacted, how does that look for the rest of the businesses?

Steven Shawley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Well, Res is a contributor, no question about that. But the...

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Security is the one where -- it's probably got the most amount of restructuring going on there. But security'll look -- that idea, I think if you pull out the restructuring that they're doing there, they're actually going in the right direction there. But that would be the one where we'll see the restructuring there take place and, of course, in the high-margin business that'll hurt.

Steven Shawley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

So I think the -- and Climate will be a little less than you'd expect because of the mix shift. We'll see more, obviously, Trane Commercial equipment in the quarter, which tends to mix it down a little bit.

Nigel Coe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Okay. And then just finally, Residential margins in 2Q?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Yes. 2Q margins, I think you're going to be kind of in that 7% maybe to 8% range in the quarter. We would look at some growth there probably 1% to 4% for us. And that's, of course, a little bit of what we saw in March continuing through here to early April.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeff Sprague with Vertical Research.

Jeffrey Sprague

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Mike, I'm wondering if the March order strength you saw constitutes any effort to rebuild inventory at this point, or if even this kind of early warmth in April is kind of sparking any kind of -- fear is probably too strong a word -- but kind of urgency around channel inventories as we look into the season?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Jeff, we, I tell you, we've been now for about a year trying to work on a whole different sort of inventory model for our wholesalers and for their dealers and for our wholly-owned wholesale teams. And so the replenishment rate that we've got is much faster than it ever used to be, and it's by design. So we're not a good judge of looking at sort of channel inventories and being able to gauge the amount of restocking that's going to take place. Steve, I don't know if you have any additional comments on that.

Steven Shawley

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Yes, what we do have though, Jeff, is when we look at our independent distributors and we looked at the inventory levels in that channel, it's fairly flat. So we think there was some pull-through in even March for what sold through. So right now, it didn't look like there's any problem on the horizon in terms of inventory build in the channel.

Jeffrey Sprague

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Right. And then can you give us a little color on what you're seeing in the energy retrofit markets in Climate. I'm wondering if you're seeing the public spending fall off and if there's any pickup as it relates to the kind of more commercially-driven activity?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Well, institutional markets in general have been weak. Federal markets have probably been the weakest, but healthcare and education aren't too far behind. Interestingly, we've had a couple of large wins in the performance contracting area in the area of education. So this is that dynamic that happens when funding gets a little tighter. We do see some of the vertical markets, particularly education and healthcare, which tend to resort more to performance contracting to -- in services to pay for the retrofit. So we saw some of that in the first quarter. And there's some large active proposals in those verticals outstanding in the second quarter. So I do think that there's a little bit of a shock absorber in that as it relates to performance contracting. And we did see a little bit of a pickup in the size and volume of proposals in that area relative to straight stick retrofits.

Jeffrey Sprague

Analyst · Vertical Research.

And just finally, can you give us just a little more granularity on how weak marine was and kind of what was going on in the U.S. truck -- sorry, the Europe truck trailer markets in Thermo?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Steve, I mean, you got...

Steven Shawley

Analyst · Vertical Research.

You can go ahead.

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Yes, the container was down. I think -- I'm sure I have the number here.

Steven Shawley

Analyst · Vertical Research.

About 30%.

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Vertical Research.

30%?

Steven Shawley

Analyst · Vertical Research.

In revenue.

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Truck and trailer were up a little bit better than we expected. ESA was about what we expected. Container was down, so it offset the favorability in the Americas.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Terry Darling with Goldman Sachs.

Terry Darling

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Mike, sorry for the confusion here. Did I hear you say that the quarter had $0.03 favorable from lower compensation expense that you expected?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Terry, stock-based compensation, yes. So there was $0.03 of favorability that we had not forecasted. You're correct.

Terry Darling

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Okay. And so we should not think of that as repeatable. Are there some positive on a full year basis that extends forward?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

It actually just changes the run rate going forward. We were calculating it differently, and so we made the adjustment in the quarter. So going forward, just probably the run rate going forward, but no, it would not be an incremental pickup year-over-year.

Terry Darling

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Okay, that's helpful. Jumping back to the Resi business, on the down 8% for the HVAC piece. Wondering if you might break that out, unit versus price?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Terry, I missed the first part of your question. What particular part of HVAC?

Terry Darling

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Resi Solutions, HVAC revenues down 8% in the quarter. Just trying to get a feel for price versus units there?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Yes. Price is still positive. We're getting a couple of points of price across each of the businesses still. I think volumes we're down probably about 10%.

Terry Darling

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Okay. And I guess, we're picking up...

Steven Shawley

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

And, Terry, that would be the total motor-bearing unit market, okay -- I'm sorry, that would be our piece of the total motor-bearing unit in the whole thing, okay. All equipment lines, we were down about 10% in volume, okay?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

The market was down 13, we were down about 10. And we picked a couple of points back up in price so that's how we got to the minus 8.

Terry Darling

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Maybe you just answered my next question. But we are picking up that on the -- just on the Resi side, that you're seeing some increased price discounting or some of the increases from last fall are not sticking here. Maybe it's just March reaction to the weaker volumes in January and February, people hedging their plant load as you look into the second quarter. How do you guys feel about the price dynamics in that market right now? And is there a chance for some upside on the unit side as well as you see what's going on in April so far or if you just not have enough data in April so far to go that far.

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Terry, one thing I think that, hopefully, is going to play out well for us in Q2 is the fact that last year, we didn't have a competitive product at 13, 14 SEER. And so what we are doing was dealing with that through some price. Nowadays, as we find these competitive situations out there, we've got competitive 13, 14 SEER products. So we're not having to switch Trane brand or mix our brand into the opening price point. We're able to do with Ameristar, so there's an advantage there that I think we've got in Q2 on how we deal with that. So the substitution that we would have done last year won't occur to the same extent this year.

Terry Darling

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Okay. And just how you're feeling about the approach competitors are taking with price?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Well, I'm not hearing a lot about sort of people dropping price in the marketplace. It's been competitive for at least 2, 3 years to this point really. So no new waves coming out or waves of panic around anybody dropping price. There's a lot of price adjustments going on, I think, as people are fine tuning what would have been a 2009, 2010 more of a blanket approach to pricing. So I have heard of particular models and combinations going up or going down based on just fine tuning now that approach in the marketplace. Most everybody took more of a peanut butter spread around price to move it quickly into the marketplace. And again, you're seeing that fine tuning take place now I think.

Terry Darling

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Okay. And are you just using the Ameristar brand in R-22, or are you using the Trane brand as well?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

No, we've got Ameristar in both in 410A and R-22.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steven Winoker with Sanford Bernstein.

Steven Winoker

Analyst · Sanford Bernstein.

So I'm just trying to make sure I understand the guidance question for the full year since you didn't flow the beat through from the quarter at all. You held your full year guidance relative to the beat. Just help me understand what again is either you're doing -- you're spending more in the investment side, where is the disconnect that I'm missing? Why didn't you flow it through?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Sanford Bernstein.

Well, the revenue is quite a bit above the midpoint, $75 million above the midpoint. And I see that moderating, Steve. I just don't see that really -- I don't see that as a trend. I wouldn't call the month of March a trend here. We'd want to see more data points before we would go out on a limb and say that we're seeing a sustained recovery in either Residential or in Commercial HVAC. So Steve, I'd really need to see at least another quarter of that sort of recovery and beat before I would really want to take the range up or change things.

Steven Winoker

Analyst · Sanford Bernstein.

Okay. So it's really the top line. It's not additional investment, additional restructuring or additional -- or lower conversion or any of that?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Sanford Bernstein.

No, everything pretty much stays the same. There's just -- we felt like -- we saw a lot of volume, and we don't want to get carried away here that it's sustained recovery.

Steven Winoker

Analyst · Sanford Bernstein.

Okay, great. And then I'm just again, as always, trying to make sure that I have a handle on the beat of traction in productivity. And how that's progressing across the business units. I know you do reference it in a couple of spaces in detail. But if I look at that chart again on Page 7, and I've got 0, how big was the -- you talked about mostly just the other inflation side being a little bit bigger than you expect. By my view of the marketplace, I'm expecting that other inflation to be about 3% or so. Is it -- am I way off on that?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Sanford Bernstein.

No, you're not.

Steven Winoker

Analyst · Sanford Bernstein.

Okay. And, therefore, that would sort of imply the same thing around productivity. Are there any other -- I mean, do you see accelerating -- but Mike and Steve, are seeing accelerating improvement on that productivity metric that we used to watch?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Sanford Bernstein.

There is so much investment in Q1 and Q2 there, Steve, that they absolutely have to accelerate in Q3 and Q4. The restructuring we signed up for, the investments we made, whether it's specific to productivity, all have paybacks that we expect yet, as late at the fourth quarter, but we expect to get them.

Steven Winoker

Analyst · Sanford Bernstein.

But even this past quarter, if you just take out the restructuring and all that and just look at the value streams and look at the impacts of those, are you seeing the financial impact?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Sanford Bernstein.

Yes. I mean, we're seeing that we're operating within our capability here. We're pretty accurate at this point in time about being able to forecast that. So there were no surprises in Q1 around, I'd say, productivity when you pull out the investments and the restructuring. I think that we'll see additional material productivity toward the back half of the year. We just formed that team fully in November. They're getting their feet underneath them, going forward, they've got plans and strategies to impact, but that takes time to actually make those changes, both whether it's a supplier price or it's a supplier change itself. And that typically will be more back-end loaded. But no, I don't see any breakdown or surprise in Q1.

Steven Winoker

Analyst · Sanford Bernstein.

And that material productivity, does that show up in the price material inflation segment or the productivity other inflation segment?

Janet Pfeffer

Analyst · Sanford Bernstein.

Price material inflation.

Steven Winoker

Analyst · Sanford Bernstein.

Okay, great. And are you SIOP? I know we've -- are you making progress in the SIOP side and, for example, Resi announcement, when you talk about March and the quick -- or in the light commercial and the quick ship, that means that your SIOP processes have got to be getting better also. Is that your perspective, or...?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Sanford Bernstein.

Yes. I mean we've really, from a whole -- part of the process of sorting out the sourcing organization was to put in place an independent separate materials organization throughout the business and then work on this whole SIOP planning with the materials organization, so we're definitely seeing that. We're seeing it in working capital. We're seeing that as well in just our days outstanding, in the customers in terms ship and fill rates and days past due. We're seeing that as a benefit. It's a primary focus across all the businesses. Obviously, the Res HVAC folks are working on that very diligently. Ameristar is a good sign for us. We began taking orders in March. We began shipping in April, and we were able to match that up fairly well.

Steven Shawley

Analyst · Sanford Bernstein.

If you look at the gross balance sheet statistics, our inventory turns in the quarter were 6/10 of a turn better than they were in Q1 of last year. So, it's flowing all the way through to the enterprise.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Andy Casey with Wells Fargo.

Andrew Casey

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Just a couple quick questions. On the order data that you provide, are you including pricing in that? Could you remind me?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Yes, that would be as reported, yes.

Andrew Casey

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Okay. And then within the Resi Solutions and your outlook, you kind of provided something -- I forgot who asked the question, 1 to 4 for the growth in Q2 and margins of 7 to 8. Could you provide that for the rest of the units -- business units?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Yes. Climate, we'd look for growth of 1% to 3%, OI [ph] in the 10.5, 11.5 range. Industrial, I think you'll see kind of a minus 1 to 2 in the quarter, so slowdowns there that we'll see. Full year there, I expect we'll still see 110, 130 basis points of improvement in that business. Res, we talked about. Security, flat to minus 3 for the full year. Minus 3, minus 5 for Q2. And then net of restructuring, all in, it should be flat in terms of operating margin.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Josh Pokrzywinski with MKM Partners.

Joshua Pokrzywinski

Analyst · MKM Partners.

I wanted to follow up on Ameristar and kind of early traction there. The way I understand it, that is -- you guys actually use third-party manufacturing for that? Just correct me if I'm wrong. And I guess if that is the case, how is conversion on that versus the Trane model?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · MKM Partners.

Yes, Josh, we use a combination. So there is parts and assemblies that we build. There's parts and assemblies that we outsource. So we retain quite a bit of flexibility, even in those outsource relationships, to build a product that if we choose to do that. So it's very dynamic in terms of how we want to do this. It's actually a bit exciting because we've been able to think outside the box, I think, about what's possible in terms of some of these relationships but -- so that's the way we're handling that aspect of it. It's pretty early. March opening [ph] orders and April shipments is a little too soon to tell in terms of anything around real traction. The margins, gross margins are lower than what we would normally see. The support cost are very low compared to what we would see. So the contribution is actually accretive to the full year margins that we've laid out, okay? But it's a different model, it's a lower gross margin, much lower support model, contribution, again accretive.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Shannon O'Callaghan with Nomura.

Shannon O'Callaghan

Analyst

Can we just walk through -- you had the $0.07 of restructuring in the quarter. That's -- and you talked about that, I guess, as the $23 million. But it was supposed to be in a total of 16 with the cost reductions and the growth investments. Do you have the other numbers that roll up to the total?

Michael Lamach

Analyst

I'm missing on the 16.

Steven Shawley

Analyst

Now it was -- based on what we can tell, we were pretty close to what we expected to spend, Shannon.

Shannon O'Callaghan

Analyst

All right. And then -- so well in 2Q. So you had the $0.07, I guess in 1Q, you're going to have $0.03 in 2Q, right? What about the cost reductions and growth investments in 2Q?

Steven Shawley

Analyst

Yes, there's definitely more on top of restructuring in Q2 in the investments line, probably based on what I can tell here by the -- probably another $25 million, somewhere in that range.

Michael Lamach

Analyst

Primarily 2 areas there. I guess the biggest pieces would be the systems component, getting that really moving now. And second, building out in our Industrial business and continuing to build out in our Trane business, the service organizations, particularly internationally.

Steven Shawley

Analyst

Yes, the system spend is going to be picking up. So as we talked about putting in integrated systems around the world, that will be a significant piece of that going forward.

Shannon O'Callaghan

Analyst

All right. And then the -- so on the Industrial piece, you just mentioned kind of slowing down into 2Q and you see the orders have come in. What do you see there happening in 2Q? And then sort of where does it go in the second half?

Michael Lamach

Analyst

Well, yes, in the ITS in Europe, in their equipment business, Q1 was actually a pretty solid quarter for them, low teens kind of a quarter because of the backlog. We saw that backlog change. We saw the bookings rate change. And so we see that going kind of negative single-digit-type numbers in Europe as well. Club Car, it had a pretty good quarter. It was positive territory. I think that might go negative in the quarter as well for that group. So that's sort of the pressure there that we're seeing.

Shannon O'Callaghan

Analyst

And then do you have any view to that changing sort of in the second half after 2Q? Or...

Steven Shawley

Analyst

Well, we would think it's going to slow down and moderate. We've thought that the Industrial business will probably see an overall growth of 2% to 4%, ex FX will be about 5% to 7%. So it would imply lower quarters. So I'd say quarter 3, quarter 4, we'd probably see more of a pickup again in Asia and a bit more of a pickup in Latin America, which was a little soft for us as well. So that would kind of moderate back up then from the Q2 very low kind of 0-ish number or flat number up into something that would give us a full year, about 2% to 4%.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve Tusa with JPMorgan.

C. Stephen Tusa

Analyst · JPMorgan.

I think what Shannon was trying to get out of you, I just want to kind of maybe go from a higher level. So you guided to $50 million in the first quarter of restructuring and other investments, correct?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Right.

C. Stephen Tusa

Analyst · JPMorgan.

So that number came in at what?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Right about that.

Steven Shawley

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Very close to that.

C. Stephen Tusa

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Okay. So then what will that number be in the second quarter?

Steven Shawley

Analyst · JPMorgan.

You get restructuring of about 40 -- 14, so the balance of that would be investments.

C. Stephen Tusa

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Okay. So it's in total about $40 million in the second quarter?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Yes.

C. Stephen Tusa

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Okay. And then that's what steps down kind of as you move to the third and the fourth quarter, you're kind of pulling that stuff into the first half here?

Steven Shawley

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Right. Restructuring flips positive, right?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Particularly restructuring.

C. Stephen Tusa

Analyst · JPMorgan.

So when you say the $65 million in kind of productivity benefits that you highlighted in the second half of year, whenever that was, does that include the favorable year-over-year impact from assuming you run your inventory to a more of a normal level, does that include that impact, or is that kind of over and above what we should see in the fourth quarter from when you shut your plants down last quarter -- last year?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · JPMorgan.

If I understand your question, the productivity we were getting in the fourth quarter in the Res business would be in the productivity number. In other words, the loss absorption would be in the productivity number.

C. Stephen Tusa

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Right. So that would be -- it wouldn't be additive to that. Okay.

Steven Shawley

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Right. It's another reason why we think it's a reasonable way to look at it, okay? Because you're right, that benefit from Res is predominately in the second half.

C. Stephen Tusa

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Right, right, right. And then just on the Resi topic, you're plus 40% in March. That's obviously an orders number, correct?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Right.

C. Stephen Tusa

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Because you talk about how quickly these orders turn into revenues. But I mean, 40% up in March, obviously didn't convert because your revenues in the quarter were still down 8. So I mean, how can that not make you feel a little bit better as we kind of move into the -- move into the season? I mean, do you think that like low-single digits in the second quarter is maybe just a bit conservative? I mean, I understand, all of a sudden, we've gone from having no inventory to people concerned about us having too much inventory. I just can't imagine that the inventory dynamics are that dramatic because sell-through has actually been pretty good.

Michael Lamach

Analyst · JPMorgan.

I hope you're right, Steve, but bookings over the last week, 10 days of March, we saw how dry January and February were -- so the same thing happens here with June and July, okay, in this business. And so we really just need to see something more sustained here than a week's worth of bookings. But I hope you're right.

C. Stephen Tusa

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Okay. And then one more question. How much of Thermo King now is Europe truck on a quarterly basis or [indiscernible], or whatever, whichever works?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · JPMorgan.

You just want the European truck number?

C. Stephen Tusa

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Yes, yes, because -- European trucks. Whatever is levered to kind of the European economy there, I guess.

Michael Lamach

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Yes, Steve, rather than -- because we had global container in there as well. Rather than just kind of shoot from the hip there, why don't we follow up with you on that one?

C. Stephen Tusa

Analyst · JPMorgan.

I mean it's not a predominant -- it's a driver of the business, but it's not a make or break part of the business, correct?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Are you talking about a number that's in the $35 million to $40 million range, okay, every quarter?

C. Stephen Tusa

Analyst · JPMorgan.

On revenues?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · JPMorgan.

That's for truck. Just truck.

C. Stephen Tusa

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Right, right. In revenues?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Yes, trailer is going to be more of that kind of 80 range.

C. Stephen Tusa

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Right. So on a $3 billion quarterly revenue base, that kind of sounds like peanuts?

Michael Lamach

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Profitable.

Operator

Operator

Our last question comes from Robert McCarthy with RW Baird.

Robert McCarthy

Analyst

I'm glad we got the investment spending questions straightened out. I wanted to ask about price versus inflation again. You had talked, coming into the quarter, that you thought you'd get about 90 basis point spread. You got 140, but you're talking about not seeing any better relationship for the full year. Can you tell us what kind of spread do you expect to see in the second quarter? And can you talk about -- I mean, as this rapidly comes down, is this a function of the inflation comparison getting worse? Or is it that price realization declines dramatically sequentially as we go forward?

Michael Lamach

Analyst

Yes, Robert. I'll just maybe set the pricing first and then I'll turn to Steve for his comments. The pricing, yes, we saw a full 2 points across the business in the quarter, which was a little bit above our initial forecast. And then we would think going forward, we expect utilization in Q2 about 1.5 point, and then it should moderate down to 1 point for the back half of the year. Of course, you're starting to lap now pricing increases, so that's fairly obvious. And material inflation was fairly subdued. So that was good news. But other inflation is higher for us. But if you're looking at just the relationship between price and material inflation, I think Q2 would be about 120 basis points positive.

Robert McCarthy

Analyst

But you're leaving other inflation out of that calculation?

Michael Lamach

Analyst

Right. We normally talk about it as price versus direct material inflation. But you're right, other inflation is where we get a surprise the other way.

Robert McCarthy

Analyst

Yes, okay. So 3% number that you talked about earlier?

Michael Lamach

Analyst

Yes.

Janet Pfeffer

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, everyone. And Joe and I will be around for any follow-up questions. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's presentation. You may now disconnect and have a wonderful day.