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The Toro Company (TTC)

Q4 2022 Earnings Call· Wed, Dec 21, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to The Toro Company’s Fourth Quarter and Full-Year Fiscal 2022 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Josh, and I will be your coordinator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. We will be facilitating a question-and-answer session towards the end of today’s conference. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the presentation over to your host for today’s conference, Julie Kerekes, Treasurer and Senior Managing Director of Global Tax and Investor Relations. Please proceed Ms. Kerekes.

Julie Kerekes

Management

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Our earnings release was issued this morning and a copy can be found in the Investor Information section of our corporate website, thetorocompany.com. As a reminder, we have introduced a quarterly earnings presentation as well as an updated general investor presentation, both of which are available on our website. On our call today are Rick Olson, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Renee Peterson, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Angie Drake, Vice President of Finance; and Jeremy Steffan, Director, Investor Relations. We begin with our customary forward-looking statement policy. During this call, we will make forward-looking statements regarding our plans and projections for the future. This includes estimates and assumptions regarding financial and operating results as well as economic, technological, weather, market acceptance, acquisition-related and other factors that may impact our business and customers. You are all aware of the inherent difficulties, risks and uncertainties in making predictive statements. Our earnings release as well as our SEC filings details some of the important risk factors that may cause our actual results to differ materially from those in our predictions. Please note that we do not have a duty to update our forward-looking statements. In addition, during this call, we will reference certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of historical non-GAAP financial measures to reported GAAP financial measures can be found in our earnings release and on our website in our investor presentation as well as in our applicable SEC filings. We believe these measures maybe useful in performing meaningful comparisons of past and present operating results and cash flows to understand the performance of our ongoing operations and how management views the business. Non-GAAP financial measures should not be considered superior to or a substitute for the GAAP financial measures presented in our earnings release and this call. With that, I will now turn the call over to Rick.

Richard Olson

Management

Thanks, Julie, and good morning, everyone. We were pleased to close our fiscal 2022 with record top and bottom line results for both the fourth quarter and the full-year. Throughout the year, we benefited from our pricing actions supported by strong demand for our innovative products, especially in our key professional markets. Importantly, we began to see improvements in our supply chain and in our manufacturing efficiency in what remains a very dynamic operating environment. Our entire organization executed extremely well. We drove operational improvements with lasting benefits and collaborated with our channel partners to support the needs of our customers. For the fourth quarter, net sales were up 22% over last year, and adjusted diluted earnings per share were up 98%. Our revenue and profit growth were driven by pricing, volume gains and improved productivity. For the full-year, our top line exceeded $4 billion for the first time, with net sales of $4.5 billion, up 14% year-over-year. Our adjusted diluted earnings per share were $4.20, up 16%. I'll now highlight our full-year results by segment. For fiscal 2022 on a year-over-year basis, Professional segment net sales were up 17%. We capitalized on continued broad-based demand and drove pricing actions to mitigate inflationary pressures. We closed the year with substantial backlog levels, most notably in our underground and specialty construction and golf and grounds businesses. With this heightened order book, our top line results were driven by our ability to produce in what remained a constrained supply environment. Residential segment net sales were up close to 6%. This was on top of two prior years of incredible net sales growth, up 23% in fiscal 2021 and up 24% in fiscal 2020. Our actions to introduce innovative new products, refresh brand marketing and expand distribution have fundamentally reset this business and…

Renee Peterson

Management

Well, thank you, Rick, and good morning, everyone. As Rick said, we delivered record results for the quarter and full-year. These results were driven by continued strong demand, especially across key professional markets as well as pricing benefits and disciplined execution in what remains a very dynamic operating environment. We grew fourth quarter net sales by 22% year-over-year to a record $1.17 billion. Reported EPS was $1.12 per diluted share and adjusted EPS was $1.11 per diluted share, both up from $0.56 in the prior year. For the full-year, net sales increased 14% year-over-year to a record $4.51 billion. Reported EPS was $4.20 per diluted share, up from $3.78 last year. Full-year adjusted EPS was also $4.20 per diluted share, up 16% from $3.62 last year. Now to the segment results. Professional segment net sales for the quarter were $944.7 million, up 29% year-over-year. This increase was primarily driven by net price realization, incremental revenue from our acquisition of the Intimidator Group, and higher shipments of zero-turn mowers, golf and grounds equipment and snow and ice management solutions. For the full-year, Professional segment net sales increased 17.1% to $3.43 billion and comprised 76% of the total company net sales. Professional segment earnings for the fourth quarter were up 58% to $159 million, and when expressed as a percentage of net sales, 16.8%, up from 13.8% last year. This increase was primarily due to net price realization, net sales leverage and productivity improvements, partially offset by higher material, freight and manufacturing costs, and the addition of Intimidator Group at a lower initial margin relative to the segment average. For the full-year, Professional segment earnings were $584 million, an increase of 15.1% compared to fiscal 2021. As a percentage of net sales, segment earnings were 17%, down slightly from 17.3% last year…

Angela Drake

Management

Thank you, Renee, and hello, everyone. Looking ahead to 2023, I'd like to start with some commentary on our $2.3 billion order backlog. Our backlog has remained elevated the past two years, driven by the strong demand we've experienced coupled with a challenging supply chain environment. In fiscal 2022, we started to see some improvements in our supply chain and continue to adjust our production and operations for efficiencies. Most of our current backlog consists of orders for underground and specialty construction and golf and grounds equipment. This is where we've had the highest level of supply chain disruption. We continue to take measures to ensure pricing is current at the time of order fulfillment, and this provides a strong base for 2023. With that background in mind, along with our current visibility in this dynamic and evolving environment, we are providing the following guidance for fiscal 2023. For the full-year, we expect net sales growth in the range of 7% to 10%, and we anticipate the return to a more typical quarterly sales cadence with Q2 and Q3 being our larger quarters. For the Professional segment, we expect a net sales growth rate higher than the company average. For the Residential segment, we expect net sales to be relatively flat. Looking at profitability. For the full-year, we expect improvement in overall adjusted operating earnings as a percentage of net sales compared to last year, driven by higher earnings margins in both segments. We expect net price realization and productivity improvements to drive year-over-year improvement in gross margin and a higher gross margin in the second half of the fiscal year compared to the first half. With this backdrop, we anticipate full-year adjusted EPS in the range of $4.70 to $4.90 per diluted share. This adjusted EPS estimate excludes the…

Richard Olson

Management

Thanks, Angie. As we head into fiscal 2023, we are well positioned with innovative products, trusted brands and extensive distribution and service networks. We expect to benefit from our well-established market leadership, along with the essential nature and regular replacement of our products. On top of that, we are entering the year with an order backlog of over $2 billion, the majority of which is for products in the areas of underground and specialty construction and golf and grounds. From a broader perspective, we are keeping an eye on overall business confidence as well as consumer sentiment and spending patterns. We are also monitoring inflation, monetary policy actions and the geopolitical environment. We believe we are well prepared to navigate this heightened level of macro uncertainty. I'll now comment on the macro factors we are seeing in our end markets, which could impact future results, starting with our Professional segment. For underground and specialty construction, we expect the current robust demand to continue with public and private infrastructure investments, providing a multi-year tailwind. Utility, construction and rental markets currently show no signs of slowing down driven by the need and support for broadband and alternative power build-outs, along with the aging infrastructure. For example, the American Society of Civil Engineers estimates that a water main breaks every two minutes. And there are 6 billion gallons of treated water lost each day in the U.S. alone. With the most comprehensive equipment lineup in the industry, including solutions for new installations, repair, rehab and replacement, we are actively addressing the serious environmental and economic issue. For golf, we expect strong demand to continue as course budgets are healthier than ever. In the U.S., rounds played in 2022 are on track to once again end the year well above pre-pandemic levels. And the…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Tom Hayes with Northcoast Research. You may proceed.

Thomas Hayes

Analyst

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question.

Richard Olson

Management

Good morning, Tom.

Thomas Hayes

Analyst

Good morning. I guess for you, Renee, on you guys called out through the prepared remarks your price realization in 2022. And I know you don't provide a lot of detail, but I'll maybe throw it out there anyway – anyway you can kind of shape it up and then your expectations for 2023, how much price realization is in your expectations are – the more or less about the same anything you can provide on that color would be great?

Renee Peterson

Management

Yes. Looking at price for 2023, Angie, do you want to maybe cover that one?

Angela Drake

Management

Yes. We expect to see our demand continue to be solid for our products. We're going to continue with pricing to the market as we have typically done. And we do expect to see 7% to 10% sales growth in the year for our full-year guidance. We will probably see more price than volume, but it will be a mix really of both price and volume. And I think we just continue, Tom, to feel like we're going to be agile and focus on productivity and adjust where we need to.

Thomas Hayes

Analyst

Okay. Thanks. And then just maybe as a follow-up, Rick, you talked about supply chain getting a little bit better. I think last time we spoke, you said maybe upwards of 50% of the items that at the worst of the supply chain issue maybe getting a little bit better. It sounds like it continues to get better. I just – how do you see that progressing through this year?

Richard Olson

Management

You're right. We are seeing improvement, steady improvement in the supply chain. I think especially if you benchmark last year at this time, as I look back at my notes, if we had an assembly line that was not running and I called one of our plants, and asked why that was, they would say, we don't know where to start. We've got so many supply issues and suppliers that can't give us dates. Today, that's a much different picture. We're down to a more discrete group of suppliers that are still challenged in a more discrete group of components that are challenging. Those are the categories you probably hear from others, everything electronic. So chips, wiring harnesses, some hydraulic components and a few engines, but it's a much more definable group than it was a year-ago at this time and it continues to show steady improvement.

Thomas Hayes

Analyst

Okay. Appreciate the color. I will get back in the queue.

Richard Olson

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Sam Darkatsh with Raymond James. You may proceed.

Samuel Darkatsh

Analyst · Raymond James. You may proceed.

Good morning, Rick. Renee, Angie. How are you? Good morning.

Richard Olson

Management

Good morning. Happy holidays.

Samuel Darkatsh

Analyst · Raymond James. You may proceed.

Happy holidays to you as well. I got like two or three questions. I'll try and make them real quick. So I think I heard you say that you're looking to work your inventories lower as the year progresses. Can you add a little bit of color or quantification of that in terms of what's a realistic goal from a dollar perspective that you can get inventories by fiscal year-end versus the $1 billion here? And then same question, how much of that $2.3 billion in backlog are you looking – or are you including within your 7% to 10% sales growth guidance that would be worked lower?

Renee Peterson

Management

Rick, maybe I'll take the first question – if you want to talk about the backlog. I guess looking at free cash flow generation, inventory was the driver for our conversion rate within fiscal 2022, which was lower than our historical average. Important to note that we did come off of two very strong years, free cash flow conversion at 140% in fiscal 2020 and 110% in 2021. As we look forward, same we don't have a specific guidance number related to inventory because we'll manage all of the variables that impact our cash flow, but we do feel that we will return to a more normal level of free cash flow conversion. And as Angie talked about, we expect that to be about 100% for the year. So that's embedded in that guidance.

Richard Olson

Management

As you look at the backlog going forward, Sam, the bulk of backlog, the largest portions that are coming from underground, specialty construction, golf and grounds has been consistent in our conversations previously. And we will be working to bring down the backlog. In some cases, that can be done more quickly because the supply chain constraints has resolved more quickly. Others will extend out throughout the year, but we know we're going to be managing the backlog throughout the year. From a capacity standpoint, we will – we're adding capacity in areas that have long-term growth and capacity needs beyond the short-term and the areas that are more of a short-term issue, we're looking to double down on our existing operations, whether we're using other facilities to make some of the products or the opportunity to add shifts and so forth. That's really subject to the availability of components still at this point. So as the supply chain gets healthier, we'll look for options to continue to bring the backlog down as quickly as possible. And we're working with our channel partners and our customers to make sure we support our customers, which is our top priority in this environment.

Renee Peterson

Management

And just adding to that, going back to the inventory question, they're really related to, as we've looked at trying to serve our customers to the best of our ability, given the demand that Rick was just talking about, we have made some strategic decisions to bring in some key components. And we think that served us well, but we'll continue to manage that inventory as the supply chain normalizes.

Samuel Darkatsh

Analyst · Raymond James. You may proceed.

So could I infer then or could one infer that based on the improvements you've been seeing in supply chain and the fact that the season is going to be starting in the next few months or so, that backlog would be worked lower perhaps as soon as – as this existing quarter? Or is it going to be more of a springtime thing when we should see sequential backlog declines?

Richard Olson

Management

I think we're looking at it over the course of the year. So our best estimate is built into our guidance. And certainly, the spring is a opportunity with natural flow for demand for that to come down. But again, the bigger spring push is really on our Residential side and most of the backlog in this case is really on the Professional side.

Samuel Darkatsh

Analyst · Raymond James. You may proceed.

Which lends me to I'm sorry...

Renee Peterson

Management

Sorry, Sam, I was just going to add to that to say we'll really kind of return to a more normal cadence of sales per quarter and seeing our larger quarters be in Q2 and Q3 of F2023.

Samuel Darkatsh

Analyst · Raymond James. You may proceed.

And so my final thought as it relates to resi, there's clearly a lot of moving pieces here in the channel with respect to channel inventories and weather normalization and maybe some push ahead demand from prior periods. How do you categorize the sell-through expectations both from a volume and pricing standpoint this coming year that informs your expectations for flat resi sales growth? Thanks.

Richard Olson

Management

Yes. I think, Sam, we described it as a more normalized situation. So we've got better field inventory positions than we've had the last couple of years in residential. We're still short in a few key product categories that we're looking to sell in, in the field. And then it will be subject to the normal, the timing of spring, the weather patterns and so forth. And 2022 is not a great year for residential from a external perspective with a very late spring and a drought in the summer. So we've already kind of seen somewhat of a return to more normal patterns in 2022, and we did grow the business by 6% in that circumstance. And residential has been an absolute superstar through 2021 and 2020 growing more than 20%. So we're really talking about normalizing on a new plateau of that business based on additional channel partners, the reboot of the product line, marketing and merchandise positioning, et cetera. So it's a different business than it was a few years ago.

Samuel Darkatsh

Analyst · Raymond James. You may proceed.

Thank you. Thank you all.

Richard Olson

Management

Thank you, Sam.

Renee Peterson

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Tim Wojs with Baird. You may proceed.

Timothy Wojs

Analyst · Baird. You may proceed.

Hey, everybody. Good morning, happy holidays. Maybe just on the guidance around margins. I mean, it sounds like you'll actually have less expansion in the first half of the year than the second half of the year, even though I think that the comps in the first half were easier than the second half. So could you just maybe walk us through what specifically is kind of driving that? Just I would have thought it would have been a little bit better in the first half just given the timing of price cost?

Renee Peterson

Management

Yes. I think what you'll see there is that we do expect Pro to be higher year-over-year, but down sequentially from Q4. Part of that is the inventory adjustment that we had to make in Q1, which is just kind of part of a normal process that we do. But this quarter, it was a bit higher – significantly higher than we had to do in prior years, really related to the increased inventory and the inflationary environment. But we did that just to call that out really to help you guys in your modeling, but that will affect our Pro margin a bit, and res will be similar year-over-year. We do expect that this will kind of normalize as we go into Q2 and Q3. Although interest expense is also a piece of that, and it will be higher year-over-year. And then finally, when we look at our adjusted EPS, it's higher year-over-year, too. And our range is going to be 12% to 17% higher year-over-year for the total year, yes.

Timothy Wojs

Analyst · Baird. You may proceed.

For the total year. Okay, yes. I mean, I guess maybe asked a different way, like I guess your implied incrementals are kind of mid-20% for 2023. And I don't think that's much different than your kind of normal incrementals. And I would think you'd have more productivity and kind of better price cost as being kind of tailwind. So I guess just kind of – I guess what are you baking in for kind of the net price cost kind of tailwind on the margin side for 2023?

Renee Peterson

Management

Yes. We're continuing to see positive price realization. We're still in an inflationary environment, though, Tim, what we're seeing. We are seeing some favorable trends from a commodity standpoint. But all of that, we're certainly not seeing in our P&L as of today. It's also important to consider in Q1 when you're looking at just Q1, we did have the Intimidator Group acquisition, which is an impact in Q1 that we wouldn't have had last year. And we talked about that as just at a lower initial gross margin than the segment average. That would be the only other thing I would mention.

Timothy Wojs

Analyst · Baird. You may proceed.

Okay. Good. And then I guess from a landscape contractor perspective, it sounds like you're expecting kind of more normalized demand patterns in fiscal 2023 in that business? I mean does that imply that the channel from kind of an inventory and a kind of floor planning perspective is kind of return to normal?

Richard Olson

Management

I think in general, it is a little bit more returning to normal as expanding on what I said before. We do have key product categories and especially on the more higher end of LCE, the more professional higher horsepower products. We still are short products in the field for those categories. So certainly much more demand even to put the field inventory in the right place for those, but good flow-through still from professional contractors I would just say for some portion of that business also goes to homeowners with acreage, so that's another factor that's a little bit more closely aligned with residential.

Timothy Wojs

Analyst · Baird. You may proceed.

Okay. And then just last one. On the golf and the underground businesses, are you effectively sold out for this year or I guess, fiscal 2023? And I guess I'm looking at the backlog and trying to think about how big those businesses are from a revenue perspective. And I think the backlog is probably bigger than what those two businesses generate on an annualized basis. So I guess I'm just curious if you're already booking those businesses out to kind of fiscal 2024 and what the lead times look like and kind of golf and underground today?

Richard Olson

Management

It's not true universally across those categories, but it's true in some key categories, yes, that were booked out through the year.

Timothy Wojs

Analyst · Baird. You may proceed.

Okay. Sounds good.

Richard Olson

Management

Thanks to the earlier comments, we're working on how we can overdrive our production in some of those areas, those components become available without adding regrettable capacity that we'll have to deal with in the future.

Timothy Wojs

Analyst · Baird. You may proceed.

Okay. And when you think about CapEx, I mean, is it really devoted to those two businesses on a go-forward basis?

Richard Olson

Management

Not universally, it's overweighted to those areas as especially the underground specialty construction side that has long opportunities going forward here relative to the secular trends and the drivers of infrastructure spending and investment. So that would have more capital investment, long-term perspective.

Timothy Wojs

Analyst · Baird. You may proceed.

Okay. Great. Thanks, guys. Happy holidays, and good luck on 2023.

Renee Peterson

Management

Thank you.

Richard Olson

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Eric Bosshard with Cleveland Research. You may proceed.

Eric Bosshard

Analyst · Cleveland Research. You may proceed.

Thank you. Good morning.

Richard Olson

Management

Good morning.

Eric Bosshard

Analyst · Cleveland Research. You may proceed.

On backlog, a couple of points of clarification. But the $2.3 billion number, that number a year-ago was $1.5 billion. Is that correct?

Richard Olson

Management

Roughly, yes, $1.6 billion. Correct.

Eric Bosshard

Analyst · Cleveland Research. You may proceed.

And that – and normalized, if we go back to 2019, that number in the more normal period is roughly what?

Richard Olson

Management

If you look at the average over a number of years prior to or including 2019 and before, it's more in the 150% range, it's roughly was 10x last year at this time.

Eric Bosshard

Analyst · Cleveland Research. You may proceed.

Okay. And so the growth in 2022, I guess what I'm trying to figure out is the number grew $700 million or 40% this year. And your supply chain improved back-end loaded, it sounds like within the year. But the further growth of that number. Is this – can you just give us a sense – I mean, obviously, backlog is the sum or the difference between demand and supply. But can you just help us understand what contributed to that growth this year in those metrics?

Richard Olson

Management

Yes. It's really the narrative on the backlog for 2022 is that our supply chain got better. We were able to fulfill lot of the backlog that was there when we started. And the demand was even more than what we could fulfill. So basically, the answer is incredibly strong demand in those areas underground specialty construction and the golf and grounds market. So we've got better the supply chain got better, we were able to ship more and the demand came in at a faster rate.

Renee Peterson

Management

Yes, really strong end markets and very healthy end customers as well.

Eric Bosshard

Analyst · Cleveland Research. You may proceed.

Okay. And then related to that, secondly, the revenue guide for 2023 of up $7 million to $10 million. I guess as I look at the backlog number relative to last year relative to historic context, with incremental supply is – the limiting factor of this is supply, it's not demand by it feels like multiples? Or am I thinking about backlog wrong?

Richard Olson

Management

Generally, that is true. Yes, it's a supply-driven constraint rather we have – as you can see, we have a lot of demand. And that's been really our theme for the last – throughout the last year plus.

Eric Bosshard

Analyst · Cleveland Research. You may proceed.

Okay. And then the last question I have relates to inventory. Your directional comment that you would make progress on inventory in 2023 is – in terms of operating rates or utilization rates, there's a lot of other companies in your neighborhood that have too much inventory, and they'll solve it by producing less. Is your inventory more a function of shipping more? Or are there – do you have to – I don't believe my question, do you have to idle capacity? Or is this just – there's enough supply we can complete product and then get it out the door. Like is the improvement in inventory have any impact on operating rates or incremental margins? Or is it the alternative?

Renee Peterson

Management

Yes. No, I don't think we'll be producing less. It's really more weighted, Eric, towards work-in process and service parts because, again, we intentionally brought in some of those components to try to get more efficiency out of our production facility. So I think we'll be producing at a high rate. We actually are a little light on finished goods in a number of areas. As Rick was talking about, where we have very strong demand, we're not holding a lot of finished goods. We're shipping that out as soon as we can make it. So when we talk about normalizing the mix, it's really normalizing, bringing down work-in process and finished goods up as a percentage, total inventory down.

Angela Drake

Management

And I would just add to that, we are – today, we are a larger company. And so we've also got inflationary rates a bit in our inventory, but we do believe the inventory is good. We're not seeing a lot of excess and obsolete, it's good inventory.

Eric Bosshard

Analyst · Cleveland Research. You may proceed.

Okay. That’s helpful. Great. Thank you very much.

Richard Olson

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from David MacGregor with Longbow Research. You may proceed.

David MacGregor

Analyst · Longbow Research. You may proceed.

Yes. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. I guess, first of all, thanks for the additional guidance around the first quarter by – if I were to think that you were going to provide that quarterly guidance on a consistent basis going forward, that would be a huge help. So thanks for that. But it's likely to be a base case, right? So I guess I'm just trying to understand, if we end up with a slowdown in demand in 2023 and it doesn't play out in accordance with the base case, but rather comes in lighter than that. Rick, where in the P&L are your greatest opportunities to flex or to protect margins?

Richard Olson

Management

I think this is something that The Toro Company has done just by nature of our markets and our businesses. We know that some of our businesses are affected by weather cycles and so forth. So we stay very agile in the way that we do our planning for the year and our budgeting. So we tend to budget in a way that significant investments are held until we can see how the year is starting to play out. We'll leave flexibility in some of those investments as we go through the year. We have flex opportunities with our suppliers and so forth as well. So we – that's the way that we build our plan for the year to be able to flex should the conditions change and we stay current with the level of demand. So that's how we do our business.

Renee Peterson

Management

Yes. And I would just say from a professional standpoint, there's a lot of our professional customers have not been able to get the products that they need and they want. So we do have kind of a bit of pent-up demand on the professional side. Certainly, some of it constrained by supply chain, but also just the fact that people have been wanting to get that product.

Richard Olson

Management

And that's probably the key point is most of our products are used for essential tasks. They're not discretionary. So especially in the context of a business, many of our professional customers are – have delayed purchases through the early part of the pandemic, and they're already behind. And our products are consumed when they're used. So if they're being used then they're being consumed and they need to be replaced. But also say we're just – we're off to a really good start with snow, as you can imagine, both on the professional and the residential side. We've activated the emergency response system with our channel-to-ship product to the areas that are going to be affected by the storms coming up, and then we've been off to a good start so far this year as well. So it's even in our residential business, that's a really nice way to start out the year as well from a product standpoint.

David MacGregor

Analyst · Longbow Research. You may proceed.

And just to follow-up on your answer. When you talk about investments, so you are really referencing new product development investments? Or is it something else?

Richard Olson

Management

New product investments are usually the last to go, to be honest, it's more – it could be systems, investments, those types of things that don't affect. Product development is an extremely high priority because innovation is so key to who we are. So that – we don't give those up easily, if ever.

David MacGregor

Analyst · Longbow Research. You may proceed.

Right. I guess secondly, just to reference back to an answer you gave earlier with regard to landscape contractor. Some portion of that obviously does sell into residential markets. Are you able to quantify that for us or give us some sense of how likely that segment is to correlate to residential?

Richard Olson

Management

I don't think we've quantified that in the past, but it's essentially customers that are looking for professional products or they have properties that justify having professional level products. So large acreages, it could be farms, it could be estates, those types of things that may be buying professional products. So I just didn't want to imply that those all go to landscape contractors. There are other customer types in that category and they're affected differently by economic conditions.

David MacGregor

Analyst · Longbow Research. You may proceed.

Okay. And then finally, I guess, just from a profitability standpoint, I'm just curious on your thoughts around Intimidator. And I realize it's a high single-digit percentage of the Pro segment, but relatively small, but it keeps coming up and sort of the discussion of the dynamics around the margins. So is there any way to sort of help us understand just what the progression plan is there in terms of profitability? And how much long do you expect it to be dilutive to the Pro segment?

Renee Peterson

Management

Yes. And we've called it out because of the first year, it has more of an impact on the financial performance versus when it's in the base comparing year-over-year. As far as acquisition itself, it has been a great acquisition. It is performing in line with our expectations and with the models that we had upon the acquisition. We're realizing the synergies that we had anticipated at this point in time and getting leverage, especially related to some of the technology areas over the broader three brands that we now have within the zero-churn mower market. So we feel really good about the acquisition. We are seeing improvement in their profitability. But really, we didn't expect all of that to happen all in one year, especially given the supply chain challenges. Initially, we want to make sure we got off to a strong start with the brand and maintained the momentum that they had and we'll work over time to definitely to improve their profitability.

Angela Drake

Management

And I would just add to that in Q1. We expect them to add about $60 million in net sales as part of that net sales increase in the Pro segment.

David MacGregor

Analyst · Longbow Research. You may proceed.

Is your backlog in that business as well? If $60 million sounds like it hasn't grown much?

Richard Olson

Management

Backlog would be similar to other LCE at this point. So some on key product categories, but the field inventory is in better position there than it would be on the other categories of Pro that we talked about.

Renee Peterson

Management

Yes. And I think the $60 million is consistent from a run rate standpoint with what we've been seeing in the prior quarters as well. It has a little more of a seasonal cadence to it. So Angie is quoting the number for Q1.

Angela Drake

Management

Right.

Renee Peterson

Management

And that they weren't in our Q1 F2022. Yes. And I think pre-acquisition, they were about $200 million. So they are growing.

David MacGregor

Analyst · Longbow Research. You may proceed.

Yes. Okay. Thanks very much and happy holidays everyone.

Richard Olson

Management

Okay. Thank you, and happy holidays.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes the question-and-answer session. Ms. Kerekes, please proceed to closing remarks.

Julie Kerekes

Management

Thank you, Josh, and thank you all for your questions and interest in The Toro Company. We look forward to talking with everyone again in March to discuss our fiscal 2023 first quarter results. Happy holidays.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect. Good day.