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Under Armour, Inc. (UAA)

Q4 2024 Earnings Call· Thu, May 16, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good morning everyone and welcome to the Under Armour's Q4 2024 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions]. After today’s presentation there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions]. Please note today’s event is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the floor over to Lance Allega, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations, Treasury, and Corporate Development. Sir, please go ahead.

Lance Allega

Analyst

Good morning and welcome to Under Armour's fourth quarter and full year fiscal 2024 earnings conference call. Today's event is being recorded for replay. Joining us on today's call are be Under Armour President and CEO, Kevin Plank; and CFO, David Bergman. Our remarks today will include certain forward-looking statements that reflect Under Armour management's current view of our business as of May 16, 2024. These statements may include projections for our business in the present and future quarters and fiscal years. Forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future business performance and our actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in the views provided. Statements made are subject to risks and other uncertainties detailed in this morning's press release and documents filed regularly with the SEC, including our Annual Report on Form 10-K and our Quarterly Reports on Form 10-Q. Today's discussion may also include the use of non-GAAP references. Under Armour believes these measures give investors a helpful perspective on underlying business trends. When applicable, these measures are reconciled to most appropriate U.S. GAAP measures, reconciliations along with other pertinent information can be found in this morning's press release and at about.underarmour.com. With that, I'll turn the call over to Kevin.

Kevin A. Plank

Analyst

Thank you, Lance and everyone joining us this morning. We've got a lot to get through on today's call, including some extended prepared remarks so let's dive right in. Four plus years removed from the President and CEO role at Under Armour, I'm bringing a clear sense of purpose and 100% commitment with zero distractions from making UA excellent. I gained unique perspective from the Executive Chair Board seat and while I've maintained a presence in the business throughout, that role was very different from the responsibility and opportunity I now have as CEO to affect the day to day decisions of this brand. I look forward to applying these lessons with renewed approach to leadership. During this time, our industry has undergone significant changes including a global pandemic that tested the resilience on the consumer value chain, and increased competition with many new capable entrants that have altered shopping behavior and preferences. However, our aspiration to build the world's best athletic performance brand has not changed. Our goal has always been to be a premium brand of choice, driven by industry leading athletic performance products, inspirational storytelling, and elevated consumer experiences. Yet, we have not consistently nor holistically delivered on this ambition. A lack of continuity increased complexity of challenge to our execution. With several CEOs and Heads of Products Marketing in North America over the past half a decade, ongoing turnover of critical leadership has been central to our inability to stay agile and decisive. From uneven execution across product and marketing to sub optimal segmentation, wholesale relationships and DTC performance, there remains a significant opportunity to activate more effectively across the dimensions that matter to drive improved brand affinity and therefore demand. With several of our executive team being new to their roles, my top priority has…

Dave Bergman

Analyst

Thanks, Kevin. Starting with our fourth quarter fiscal 2024 results, which were in line with our outlook, revenue was down 5% to $1.3 billion with a 10% decline in North America due to softer wholesale demand and lower sales to the off-price channel. Our DTC business was also down during the quarter with positive store growth, offset by softness in our e-commerce business. EMEA revenue was up 10% or 7% on a currency-neutral basis driven by strength in our wholesale and DTC businesses. APAC revenue was up 1% in the quarter or 5% on a currency-neutral basis driven by positive DTC sales, while wholesale results remained flat. And in Latin America, revenue was up 20% or 12% on a currency-neutral basis. From a channel perspective, fourth quarter wholesale revenue was down 7% driven by softer demand in our full price and distributor businesses and lower sales to the off-price channel. Our direct-to-consumer business was flat with 7% growth in our stores, offset by a 7% decline in our e-commerce business. And licensing was up 11%, led by positive results in our North American business. By product type, apparel revenue was down 1% driven primarily by softness in our team sports, run and outdoor businesses, offset by strength in train and golf. Footwear was down 11% due to a tough comparison and softer demand, primarily in North America. As a reminder, we had robust growth during the fourth quarter of fiscal 2023 as a significant volume of footwear products that were previously delayed due to COVID-related factory constraints meaningfully hit the market. And our accessories business was down 7%. Next is gross margin, which was up 170 basis points to 45% and aligned with our outlook. This increase was driven by 260 basis points of supply chain benefits, including lower product…

Kevin A. Plank

Analyst

Yes. Thank you, Dave. As we wrap up today's prepared remarks, and thank you for your patience in allowing us a chance to lay out our strategy and the actions we're already taking at UA, I'll touch on one final question, so what's different this time and what are reasons to believe in Under Armour? From my vantage point, we've got a lot going for us as an authentic on-field performance brand with more than $5 billion in revenue. Millions of athletes worldwide believe Under Armour products make them better. To be sure, there is much more work to be done and while there may be 50 things to fix at Under Armour, there are also 500 things that are working really well. We are a sports house, centered on athletic performance and a heritage authenticated in competition. Our refined Protect This House strategy is engineered to cut through the noise and complexity we've allowed to dilute the clear mission that once gave us our core focus and energy. As such, we are urgently working to regain our front foot, put wins on the board that can continue to build over time, and optimize our business across the dimensions that matter. I cannot guarantee perfection as we undertake this journey, but I promise 100% team commitment to get Under Armour on a winning front foot, leading from the top, along with our energized executive team, we will bring a clear unified vision and power the organization by providing stability and alignment to drive consistent execution with a clear articulation for all stakeholders of what success looks like. I'll say to investors today that when you buy Under Armour, you're buying a brand, a brand with a formidable heritage that is not easily replicated and one that is more valuable than even the company is at this point. Our job, my job is to close that gap with a strong balance sheet, global presence and awareness, ample resources, and a talented team to take the necessary actions to evolve our company. We'll lead from the front foot, I will lead from the front foot knowing the name on the front of our UA jersey matters more than the name on the back. And as a team, we'll take care of the Under Armour brand. We are fully committed to shifting our trajectory and for that to happen, we must change rhetoric into results. And with that, we'll open it up for questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question today comes from Simeon Siegel from BMO Capital Corp. Please go ahead with your questions.

Simeon Siegel

Analyst

Thanks and good morning. Kevin, so recognizing the tone shift, it makes me think of the last time you successfully focused, I think your words have been building a healthier rather than a lateral company or something to the effect. So how do you think about this go around of the brand elevation versus revenue contraction versus the last time you successfully reelevated the brand and the gross margins? Maybe could you speak to how you'd expect the timeline of that improvement to look, obviously, the focus on brand health feels like the right move but understandably, it's not an overnight fix, so would love to hear how you think that timeline and goal post to hurdles we should be watching for? And I guess, is your expectation in North America would return to growth in 2026 or later? And then just if I can, Dave, can you just remind us what percentage of the OPEX or fixed versus variable costs, the gross margin gains are going to be powerful, and they feel key but just also trying to think through what the right longer-term OPEX should be on the lower revenues? Thanks guys.

Kevin A. Plank

Analyst

Yes. Thank you, Simeon. And I think that really gets to the heart. I'm not sure if there's a, as I said, a repeat that's available to us, but there's certainly a lot of lessons of what brand building looks like. This is going to be a little different, so we're approaching that way and frankly, just using all the reasoning and thoughtfulness that -- and experience and hopefully some wisdom that we've gained over the years and being able to apply that to this chapter is what's most important. Let me just start because I think this really just nails into what's happening in North America. Not winning here, it hits me and our incredible team. It hits at our core. We are truly an authentically American brand that is something we know how to do, and it's something that we can fix. I think it's not going to happen overnight, and that's why we continue to use this 18-month sort of outlook that we've been providing. And frankly, we've seen this in the face of the same cautionary consumer sentiment that you guys are hearing out in the market right now as well. The shifting consumer destocking cycle among retailers, bloated industry inventories, so they've been pretty conservative. And we're reacting and we're dealing with that. But as it relates to UA specifically, it's time for us to firm our brand up and we want to make sure that we're transparent with this messaging as well. It is that what we're seeing with the call down, about two thirds of it is happening to us here in North America and about a third of it is proactive, where we actually were making sure that we cut anything out and we give ourselves room to really start building the…

Dave Bergman

Analyst

And Simeon, this is Dave. Relative to variable and fixed, I think if you kind of remove the compensation cost, which isn't necessarily fixed and just get back to what's kind of locked in, that isn't going to change with revenue, that's probably a little bit less than a third of our SG&A base, something that we've been working on over the years.

Simeon Siegel

Analyst

Great, thanks a lot guys. Best of luck.

Kevin A. Plank

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jay Sole from UBS. Please go ahead with your questions.

Jay Sole

Analyst · your questions.

Great, thank you so much. Kevin, I'm really interested in something you said at the top of the prepared remarks. You mentioned you have a renewed view on leadership. Can you just kind of take a step back and think about all of UA, tell us what's renewed. Tell us how you think about leadership today maybe versus how you thought about it before and how it is going to help drive Under Armour forward, I mean it's clear that you have a clear vision about what needs to be done and where Under Armour needs to go, connect for us how the leadership is going to play into that?

Kevin A. Plank

Analyst · your questions.

Yes. Well, thanks, Jay. I think from the top of the script to the end of my prepared remarks, number one, I love the 80 hockey reference, which is about the name of the jersey on the front versus the name on the back. It's building a team. And we've done a really good job, I think, of understanding what that means to set a vision and power that team and let them run. And we've got capability. And being in sort of the roles that I've been around the company, I've always had the ability, I think, to plug in different areas, but really been able to focus, I think, on building a team. Probably the thing I'm most proud of in the last 10 months is, as I described about our product team with the ability to attract John Varvatos to get John here, to be able to attract Yassine here, the ability to get Yuron here as well. And most importantly, it was the ability to complement and keep those existing team members, our 15-year innovation head, our 21-year design head now gets to work with John. You're watching our team sports and working with Yuron and his experience. So that meld of old and new is something that we're just going to utilize agility that we're going to play the best hand that we have. I think at the SCP and above level, we brought in nine executives in the last 8 or 10 months. And I've been directly involved in recruiting virtually eight of the nine. So touching this team, it really feels like it's ours. But I think not having to press too much and hopefully that an energy of finding that wisdom where you can tip your glasses to the end of your nose and sort of answer or say much more just through the way that you respond and the energy that you have. And so I'm really looking forward to that and looking forward to watching this leadership team really explode with the likes of the Yassines, the what we've done with supply chain and Shawn Curran coming here from 30-year experience at Gap. And now it's a matter of just combining them together and melding that. So it's going to be a little -- as we're pulling everybody together, this team likes each other, and it's just a matter of us running.

Jay Sole

Analyst · your questions.

Got it. And maybe, Kevin, if I could follow up on that in the spirit of leadership. Are there other potential changes in the management team in the future and how will you work to retain this fairly new team?

Kevin A. Plank

Analyst · your questions.

Well, I think we're all incentivized by seeing where we are right now is that we believe that we've got a brand that is not trading at the value that it is. And so everyone is incredibly inspired by that. No, I think most importantly, I'm looking for the additions. We are in the market, and we're looking for a CMO and we'll have that position posted and leaving it open for the best candidates that come. But I tell you, our phone has been ringing. There is this buzz, I keep describing that product organization that we built and you walk into that product, you can just feel something. And so I feel that obligation to make sure that we get a team to complement and round them out. And I know that we've got the regional leaders between Jason in APAC and Kevin Ross and other former UA veteran in EMEA and Kara Trent here. So we're pretty much stabilized, but there'll always be some limited amount of movement there. But the next one we're looking for is the addition of our new CMO.

Jay Sole

Analyst · your questions.

Got it, thank you so much.

Kevin A. Plank

Analyst · your questions.

Thank you Jay.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Bob Drbul from Guggenheim Securities. Please go ahead with your questions.

Robert Drbul

Analyst · your questions.

Hi, good morning. I have a couple, if that's okay. The first one is on the international outlook. How much of the macro is driving the low single-digit percent decline in international or is there something -- is there a weakness that you're seeing specific to Under Armour and do you feel like you're being conservative in that international outlook? And I have a second one.

Kevin A. Plank

Analyst · your questions.

Yes, thanks, Bob. I think that we're cautiously approaching this. Now we've got the benefit of 20 years having done and driven the UA brand and frankly, the lessons over the last five or six years here in North America. So we're incredibly bullish on the opportunity that we have, especially mid and long term. I think we're being cautious in the short term because we don't want to get caught up in a situation where we feel like we're trying to flood big logo hoodies. Like we've run that play. We've seen how that works. So I think we're bringing a bit of cautiousness and frankly, a bit of experience or wisdom to the way that we're approaching that. But in EMEA specifically it is that it's definitely -- it's soft. There is the same sort of inventory issue that we're seeing with some of our wholesalers here. And so we're just -- we're representing a bit of caution there and also that we don't need to push the sales, meaning that we don't need to do anything other than what is in the absolute best interest of making sure that the 16 to 24-year-old just loves and covets the Under Armour brand. And what we've done in Europe, too, it's probably its own little sound byte. We brought Kara here from Europe from the success that she had from going back to 2019, a $600 million-ish brand that ended in 2000 -- or this past year, crossing over $1 billion. And the one thing that's really compelling is that we actually grew contribution margin from 8% to 16%, so doubling that contribution. So we've really been leveraging that hard. So we want to make sure that we can invest there as well. And as I said, I think we have the right leader to take us to the next level there. But what we're seeing are the signs of success. Our largest market there is the UK. We're the number 1 training brand, for instance, the JD Sports. We're within an arm's length at SDI, if we're not number 1, depending on the week. So we've got a great base to build from. And I think it's us just making sure that we do this smartly, and we build this as a brand together.

Robert Drbul

Analyst · your questions.

Great. And just if I can ask a second question. Can you talk about the progress, your view on the progress that you've made in e-commerce and the e-commerce channel and how long will it take you to get your website to where you want it to be?

Kevin A. Plank

Analyst · your questions.

Yes. I think that's a work in process that we'll never be done with that, but it's something that we've got a tremendous team. And so Jim coming on board has brought a lot of expertise that really parallels into our loyalty program as well that we have in a place that's been really good and really positive for us. So I think we've made great progress when it comes to what we can do in the web. But frankly, I don't think that's probably the best place where I think our product and our story are just not lining up well enough. I mentioned us just finding some of the simplistic things to apply brand management, like identifying what are the three aspects that make this product desirable for the consumer. So I don't feel like we've played our best game online yet, and that's why we're focused by beginning with eliminating the -- or significantly reducing the amount of promotion so we can have a much cleaner story that comes through on the website.

Robert Drbul

Analyst · your questions.

Great, thank you very much. Good luck.

Kevin A. Plank

Analyst · your questions.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Brian Nagel from Oppenheimer. Please go ahead with your questions.

Brian Nagel

Analyst · your questions.

Hi, good morning. A couple of questions. A couple of questions, Kevin, and I'll merge them together to make it simple. But I mean, first off, with regard to -- you talked about this in your script, the product innovation, the new products coming. I guess just to make sure I want to understand the timing of that, when we should start to see these products? And then with that, the team you've assembled, the team -- a senior leadership before you, there was already product innovation. There's already been discussion about product innovation. Are you picking up on that or is there really more of a revamping overall with the product innovation in Under Armour?

Kevin A. Plank

Analyst · your questions.

Let's be clear. We haven't been standing still. Thanks, Brian, for that question. But no, I mean, we've been moving forward the whole time. So it's not like we're waiting for Fall 2025. We're still going to move $5 billion plus of product this year. So there are athletes out there that have us. And I think the base that we have from team sports across the board is something we're really excited about. And we have -- I think it's just more of a focus. This goes back to the trimming the number of SKUs that we have and being really clear with our outlook there. But Unstoppable for us is working in an incredible way and something which is our basically our jogger pants line that we have in five or six different expressions. We've really made a commitment to driving and really getting back to the fundamentals of what makes UA, UA. Our base layer compression, as we call it here, heat gear and cold gear. We've tested that, for instance, in DSGs, houses of sport, and it's something that's done really well for us, and that's an area that we'll continue to expand. But it's really just re-anchoring and resetting ourselves. We talked about how that -- men's apparel is going to be a priority for us. It's just because it's the lowest hanging fruit where we can win the easiest for us. It doesn't mean we're going to neglect what we're doing on the women's front, the opportunity we have there. It doesn't mean we're going to neglect footwear, and that's why we're bringing these footwear experts across the industry. And I think that's what's so exciting. We, first and foremost, need to make sure that we're authenticating ourselves and that's why I talk about…

Brian Nagel

Analyst · your questions.

That's very helpful. I appreciate that. And then as a follow-up, and I guess bigger picture as well, you're talking about and others have talked about the more promotional environment within the space broadly. So I guess the questions I have there; I mean, one, do you view that as more shorter term in nature? And then secondly, this is a bigger picture part. I mean for those of us who have followed Under Armour for a while, we remember very clearly when the brand was very successful. As you look at the competitive landscape now, you're putting aside some of these promotions, do you still see that clear lane for the Under Armour brand when Under Armour was performing well or has competition changed that lane?

Kevin A. Plank

Analyst · your questions.

Yes, thank you. I can't speak to the -- I'm not a prognosticator on what the market has in front of us or what happens on a broad basis. But we know that we're -- I think we're just playing the hand that's right in front of us today. We're giving information, which is why we've really just -- when I say it's almost like running the company by constraints. It's like let's just -- let's take a smaller bite. We've got 100 miles in front of us. We're going to work the three feet that is right in front of us right now. And I think this is what it's telling us, so that's what we're going to respond to. What I want to say about UA, it's interesting because I think about this deeply. Our authentication of being in team sports as I described it in the remarks as a podium brand, it's such a unique position. And you look at anyone else that's out there, I think where Under Armour stands alone is that there's a big companies that you can call them old money. There's the cool kids. They're sort of the Sunday leisure league crowd, but there's no one that stands up for the little guy, for the athlete that was not picked first, for the long shot, the underdog. I think that representation for UA, it probably has a story that speaks to virtually everyone on the planet. And it's a position I feel that we own completely uniquely. I don't approach this as saying that's something that's God given for us for the rest of time. So we better act on it soon. And that's where we're playing that humble and hungry mentality, that Under Armour long shot overcoming and it's probably a really good metaphor for where we are right now. So I'm excited about what the future holds for us. I'm excited about this unique position that we hold in the marketplace. Now we just need to make sure that we deliver the product and the story together at once. It's the way it relates and goes and shows up at retail.

Brian Nagel

Analyst · your questions.

Appreciate all the color. Good luck here. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Sam Poser from Williams Trading. Please go ahead with your questions.

Samuel Poser

Analyst · your questions.

Thank you for taking my question. Kevin, I just -- a couple of things. You talked about Europe as it relates to the United States. And I'm wondering in the U.S. trying to elevate the brand, does this mean that you're going to cut off some of the more moderate distribution in order to elevate it to get away from -- over time to get to elevate the brand and make for force better and best to have more prevalence? And I have a follow-up.

Kevin A. Plank

Analyst · your questions.

Yes. I don't think that we like our distribution today. I don't -- that will be part of the exercise as it always is, is constantly culling our retail partners. But it's also -- it's walking into some partners. And some of this, Sam, it's been as much on us. We do walk into one of our premium or close to premium sporting goods stores even here in the States. And the only thing that's leading or explaining what the product is, is the price that's in the upper left-hand corner. And it's hard to explain the difference between a $20 graphic T-shirt and a $45 vantage t-shirt that has Rush technology, and it's just not clearly articulated. So I think we're probably in a pretty good space. We may contract some of the doors and make sure that we're only coming through and some of those retailers. It's on the table always for us as well. But that's something six weeks in the job, we'll continue to evaluate. But for the most part, I just want to -- my main priority is focusing on the product that goes to anyone and ensuring that, that product and story show up hand in hand.

Samuel Poser

Analyst · your questions.

Thank you. And then what made you -- I mean this is a combined question. You said -- I want to know what led the decision for you to step back into this role and to follow up on Jay's question, over the last few years, what have you learned and how are you going to approach it -- what have you learned over the last few years that made you step back in and believe that it was time? And then secondly, you said earlier that everybody should be focusing on selling shirts and shoes. But I get -- I've had the issue with brand first, product first. And I'm wondering, is it sell shirts and shoes to the right people at the right time at the right price versus just selling shirts and shoes?

Kevin A. Plank

Analyst · your questions.

Yes. Well, first of all, I think the ability to step away, it allowed me to get a lot of reflection of, number one, taking a breath after 24 years of running hard with the company since beginning in 1996 to 25 years doing that. I got to watch my kid -- my son and my daughter play high school sports. I got to watch graduations. And I got to take a bit of a beat. That's not to say that I haven't been close or near the business at the same time. I've been watching the business, just from a different chair. And there's a very different outlook that you can have as coming from being the Chairman to being the active CEO and being able to actually affect day-to-day decisions. So I view this, honestly, Sam, I've been pinching myself for the last six weeks. I've done different things, but I realized that what I do love doing is selling shirts and shoes. And in doing that, let me just be really clear, this isn't just selling any shirts and shoes. It's selling the best shirts and shoes. In the product spectrum of good, better, best I think Under Armour makes a lot of good, some better and nowhere near enough best. We're going to focus on that. And again, this isn't just with an eye on we should do it because we see ourselves as a premium brand. It's because I do believe that Under Armour has that upside, and we're also going to make sure that we pay the rent. And so we'd like to secure and solidify this good level of business. And we want to emphasize and focus on our better and best level business. And I can tell you confidently that we have the product engine and team now in place, both legacy as well as the new additions that have come on to lead this with Yassine at the top of that engine. I owe them and I owe this organization, this organization owes itself a great storytelling function. And we have some great people on our marketing teams, but we need to put all those pieces together and get product and story to be one functioning engine for us to sell only and mostly focusing on more better and best as we look to grow from where we are today.

Samuel Poser

Analyst · your questions.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Laurent Vasilescu from BNB Paribas. Please go ahead with your questions.

Laurent Vasilescu

Analyst · your questions.

Hello, good morning. Thank you very much for taking my questions. I wanted to ask about the guide for international being down low single digits. Is that on a reported basis or a constant currency basis? And then, Kevin, I think you mentioned that the environment in China is very promotional. Can you provide a little bit more color on what you're seeing in that marketplace overall and how you're thinking about that business, that geography for fiscal year 2025?

Dave Bergman

Analyst · your questions.

Hey Laurent, this is Dave. I'll jump in on this one. I don't want Kevin to lose his voice. So I think that a couple of different things. When we think about the high-level lead-in, I think Kevin gave a lot of color around that relative to how we're kind of smartly approaching our international and our growth and being prudent about that. I think within APAC, and this is actually consistent with EMEA as well, the DTC growth, we do see it being offset by some of the wholesale and distributor slowdown and caution that we see. So where we can directly control and drive the brand within DTC, we see that growing well. But it is some challenges in the markets with the wholesale and distributors. Within APAC more specifically, I would say that it's a little bit around the retail and e-Comm traffic, but we're driving against that very well. We've also got a little bit of pressures with a partner in South Korea that we're working through. There are some financial pressures there. But we are planning to increase our APAC store fleet by more than 80 doors this year, and that's more back half weighted. And we're excited about the upcoming Curry tour in Asia as well, which is really going to help from a brand voice and energy perspective. Within EMEA, Kevin alluded to this, but we have seen some higher inventory levels within some of our retail partners as we finished out fiscal 2024. And that does impact the fiscal 2025 orders a little bit. And so we planned for that appropriately. We do believe that, that's more of a temporary situation. And as those inventory levels clean up, you would expect better order flow coming through because the brand is very strong in EMEA. And we have great relationships with our partners there. So a little bit of caution maybe, a little bit of prudence, making sure that we're fueling the brand, making sure we're not chasing any revenue that's not the most premium revenue that we want to get after and just playing smart game going forward.

Laurent Vasilescu

Analyst · your questions.

That's very helpful.

Kevin A. Plank

Analyst · your questions.

In the spirit of supporting the team, Dave did a great job on that answer. I have nothing to add.

Laurent Vasilescu

Analyst · your questions.

Okay, thank you. And then, Dave, maybe in order to spare Kevin's voice, you mentioned the adjusted SG&A was down 5% in 4Q. Maybe for the audience, can you just parse out where did marketing go as a percentage of sales for 4Q? And as we think about the SG&A guide for the year of down 2 to 4 to your point, Kevin, you mentioned how you were able to manage that for fiscal year 2024. Where does marketing as a percentage of sales go for fiscal year 2025?

Dave Bergman

Analyst · your questions.

Yes. So when we think about marketing throughout all of fiscal 2024, we ran pretty close to kind of the 10% of revenue mark. So little fluctuations up and down. I think Q4 is probably high 9%, really close to 10%, finishing out the year at about 10%. And that play for fiscal 2025 isn't significantly different. We've rebalanced some of that and really making sure that we're prioritizing the marketing investments. And Jim has done an excellent job working with the teams on that. But you're not going to see a noticeable difference in that percentage of revenue as we go through fiscal 2025.

Laurent Vasilescu

Analyst · your questions.

Very helpful. Thank you very much.

Kevin A. Plank

Analyst · your questions.

You are welcome, thank you.

Operator

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll be concluding today's question-and-answer session as well as today's conference call and presentation. We thank everyone for joining this morning. You may disconnect. Have a great day.