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Q3 2013 Earnings Call· Tue, Oct 29, 2013

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Caroline Stewart

Management

Good morning. It's Caroline Stewart here, Head of Investor Relations for UBS. Welcome to our Third Quarter Results Presentation. This morning, our CEO, Sergio Ermotti, will take you through the highlights of our performance; and then our CFO, Tom Naratil, will take you through the details of the Q3 results. We'll then take questions from analysts, and this will be followed immediately by a Q&A session for journalists. Before I hand over to Sergio, I'd like to draw your attention to this slide which contains our cautionary statement regarding forward-looking statements. Now I'd like to hand over to Sergio.

Sergio P. Ermotti

Management

Thank you, Caroline. Good morning, everyone. It is almost 1 year to the day that we announced the acceleration of our strategy to transform the firm and create the UBS of the future. At that time, we announced plans to further exit Non-core assets and drive greater efficiencies, and we also established a set of ambitious but achievable targets. In the past year, we executed our strategy in a focused, determined and disciplined manner. And despite challenging market conditions for both our clients and ourselves, we have proven that our business model works. Our industry-leading capital ratios are significantly stronger and our businesses have delivered solid results. Let me outline the most important achievements. At the end of the third quarter, once again, we were the best-capitalized bank in our peer group, with a Basel III fully applied common equity tier 1 ratio of 11.9%. In 12 months, we added 260 basis points to this ratio, and we are ahead of our targets for 2013. Our strong capital position is primarily the result of our success in reducing risk-weighted assets. In the past year, we have reduced risk-weighted assets by over CHF 80 billion or 27% to CHF 219 billion, putting us ahead of our 2013 and '15 year-end group targets. Over 85% of this reduction was due to sales-related and other exposure reduction effects, not model adjustments. More importantly, the reduction was executed in a manner that maximized shareholder value. We also continued to make significant progress in deleveraging our balance sheet, which we reduced by more than CHF 300 billion, an amount larger than our existing Investment Bank. This effort helped improve our phase-in leverage ratio to 4.2%, and at all times, we have also remained well above regulatory requirements for funding and liquidity ratios. During the third…

Thomas Naratil

Management

Thank you, Sergio. Good morning, everyone. As usual, my commentary will reference adjusted results. This quarter, we excluded a CHF 207 million gain on the sale of real estate, an own credit loss of CHF 147 million and net restructuring charges of CHF 188 million. We did not adjust for CHF 586 million in charges related to litigation, regulatory and similar matters. As we anticipated, the third quarter saw a number of headwinds. Client activity decreased significantly and risk aversion increased as clients intensified their focus on capital preservation. Nevertheless, performance was resilient, as we delivered a pretax profit of CHF 484 million in a challenging quarter. We reported a net tax benefit of CHF 222 million. As in prior years, we remeasured our deferred tax assets as part of the business planning process, and this contributed CHF 384 million to the tax benefit recorded this quarter. We expect to complete this year's DTA remeasurement process in the fourth quarter. Wealth Management earned a pretax profit of CHF 617 million in a seasonally slow quarter with exceptionally low client activity. Recurring income remained resilient despite cross-border outflows in Europe. Costs decreased mainly on lower personnel expenses, while the business reported net new money of CHF 5 billion, with positive contributions from all regions. Seasonality, economic uncertainty and deleveraging impacted client activity and net new money across all regions, particularly in APAC and the emerging markets. The annualized net new money growth rate slowed in APAC to 4.6% primarily as a result of deleveraging as declining demand for Lombard lending led to approximately CHF 2.5 billion of gross outflows. Seasonal factors also contributed to lower net new money. The net new money growth rate in emerging markets was also seasonally slower and was affected by concerns related to local economies as…

Operator

Operator

The first question is from Mr. Kian Abouhossein from JPMorgan. Kian Abouhossein - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: I just wanted to come back, first of all, to the FINMA operational risk-weighted increase, if you could just run us through the process of how this is established. Is this based on a formula? Is this purely on discussions as a subjective number? And what triggered the change? Because clearly, one of your peers did not have that issue, so really trying to understand the additional CHF 28 billion. And if it is litigation related, why are you taking a relatively small charge relative to the increase in operational capital? The second question is on Wealth Management. You had a 5-basis-point decline in top line margins, I just wanted to -- if you could talk through the issues retrocession, interest rate levels, et cetera, wherever you are in terms of how we should think about the margin development and how you have seen the fourth quarter trend developing in that respect. And lastly, if I may, the Corporate Center, which to us is quite confusing because clearly there a lot of moving parts, it's quite a big, even cleaned-up, pretax loss. Just trying to think about how we should think about the Corporate Center cost in terms of how you're budgeting for this charge going forward so we have an idea how we should look into this into our models.

Sergio P. Ermotti

Management

Okay, Kian, I'll take the first question, and Tom will take the other 2. So again, at the end of the third quarter, we received an order from FINMA announcing the imposition will effect the -- from October 1 of this 50% add-on to the AMA-based operational risk-related risk-weighted assets in relation to known and unknown litigation, compliance and other operational risk matters. FINMA states that's its decision was based on a comparison of recent loss history with the capital underpinning for operational risk with that risks -- with risk-weighted assets. And we have no transparency about the methodology used to come with the 50% add-on.

Thomas Naratil

Management

So Kian, if I go into your... Kian Abouhossein - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Sorry. And this is they don't specify what the litigation issue is? Because clearly, the assumption is this is FX-related. But is there any indication what this might be related to?

Sergio P. Ermotti

Management

There is no indication about a single or -- a single item weighting into that decision. It's an assessment based on the portfolio...

Thomas Naratil

Management

Again, if you -- and if you looked at -- Kian, at the second question that you asked, which is, how does that RWA charge relate to the provisioning we take in the quarter? As I noted in my remarks, the add-on does not correspond at all to what is permitted under IFRS. As you know, we go through a process in assessing our items to determine the probability of outflow and then estimate-ability of those particular items. I think, if you go to the litigation note and walk through the tables that we have and see the cross-references to the different items, I -- you'd also be able to get a better feel for what comprised the total of CHF 586 million in litigation charges we took this quarter. And we have been noting for the past few quarters that we expect litigation charges to remain elevated and, we have said previously, at least for 2013 and, we've said today, through to 2014. Now going to your question on gross margin, what was affecting it, if you think about our outlook statements in the previous quarter, we clearly highlighted structural issues remaining in Europe and the U.S., both in the economies; fiscal situation, in particular in the U.S. And with 80% -- although the ultimate outcome wasn't that the Fed decided to taper, about 80% of the time during the quarter, if you were listening to the news or listening to different economists, the discussion was about Fed tapering. And that clearly impacted the markets and clearly impacted clients and their activity levels. And you see that most pronounced in Asia where we saw an 8-basis-point decline in our gross margin, which was driven primarily by a decline in transactional activity. We also saw deleveraging. The reaction in some…

Thomas Naratil

Management

Sure. So going back to 4Q, I think the outlook statement is the best clue to what we think. And I'll just reiterate the fact, 28% in cash, we've always said it requires structural changes, and I don't think you've seen those structural changes in Europe or the U.S. yet, number one. Now going to the question on the Corporate Center, I think I would focus in, one, as you said, on what's the change in the turnover in terms of the costs associated with exiting Non-core and legacy assets, number one. And then second, I think a more focused effort, and we can follow up with you after the call, more focused look at the treasury income lines, I think, with -- and cost lines would be helpful.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Kinner Lakhani, Citigroup.

Kinner R. Lakhani - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Management

Yes, I just had a one question on the DTAs, actually, just in terms of how you look at the DTA recognition process. You do not recognize any of the U.K. potential DTAs, and a very fractional recognition of the U.S. DTAs. And even on Switzerland, which is clearly a cash cow for you, only 55, some of the DTAs have be recognized. So wondering, what level of conservatism is being applied in your 5-year plans and whether you think the 5-year plans are consistent with industry practice.

Thomas Naratil

Management

Kinner, thanks for that question. So first, looking at the different DTAs and the average lives on them, I think, is probably the best way to look at it. In Switzerland, with an average life of remaining of about 2 years, this one's highly volatile to short-term forecasts. And so to the extent that we have changes in our short-term forecast, that could implement -- that could affect the number quite substantially. And as I indicated, we still have the tune-up process going into the fourth quarter still to come for this year. That's also impacted, to some extent, by -- or a -- all of these are affected by locations of losses. And when you look at the U.K. and you might say, "Well, that's a -- seems very conservative to not have realized anything," a lot of the exit of the Non-core and Legacy Portfolio is U.K.-tax based. And so as a result, that's affecting the profits or offsetting the profits that we generate in other operating businesses in the U.K. And then in the U.S., as you've noted, that's where the greatest potential is for realization of future DTA benefits. On that, how conservative are we in the process? Clearly, when you're doing -- I think it's difficult enough to try to do 3-year plans and then extrapolate that out over 5 years, and there are a number of assumptions. And we do implement a certain amount of prudence that we think is appropriate in valuing the DTAs. When we get some more stability in the markets and see a little bit more visibility on movements, upward in interest rates and return of client confidence, potentially, that would impact the future valuation relative to the assumptions that we've made today in a more positive way.

Kinner R. Lakhani - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Management

Great. And I have -- and can I just follow up with one more question? How are you looking at the Basel proposal on leverage and how that might impact your leverage ratio plan going forward?

Thomas Naratil

Management

So I think, on the leverage ratio debate, we've been very clear that we don't think it's helpful for 6 different competing proposals to be out there. And hopefully, the answer isn't that we have 6 different approaches across the globe. Moving to a position where there's more harmonization, more common definitions of numerators and denominators will clearly help investors and creditors and also you. Our view right now works. Switzerland implemented Basel III on the 1st of January. We're required to comply with the Swiss SRB Basel III leverage ratio requirements. We're significantly ahead of that, as you can see, and we continue to target to that. When we've done the review of the different proposals and made some assumptions about what could potentially come out in an ultimate compromise, our view is we're very comfortable that, whatever the regime is, we'll be able to meet it in advance of the deadlines. And I think you see that 25-basis-point improvement just in 1 quarter. We had 25 basis points already coming to us as a result of the SNB -- exercise of the SNB StabFund option. We were talking about this a year ago when we accelerated the implementation of our strategy. A key factor in choosing the business model approach strategy that we did was the fact that we believe the leverage ratio was going to become more important in the next year or 2, and it has.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Mr. Jon Peace, Nomura.

Jon Peace - Nomura Securities Co. Ltd., Research Division

Management

I have 2 questions, please. The first one was the readthrough of the FINMA charge for the dividend. Do you think there's any chance that you'll be able to move to a 50% payout for the 2014 dividend, paid in 2015, or the impact of having to accrue, meaning that that's more likely now for the 2015 dividend, paid in 2016? And then the second question was to your Investment Bank: Having delivered a return on equity of 17% pretax in the third quarter, arguably a very tough quarter, and it's still ahead of your 15% target, are you thinking about increasing that 15% target ROE in the Investment Bank?

Sergio P. Ermotti

Management

Thanks, Jon. I think, in respect of our dividend policy, as I mentioned during my remarks, we are still very focused and determined to achieve our 13% CET ratio fully applied by the end of 2014. And that means that, at that time, we will pay at least 50% to shareholders for the dividend paid for early 2015. So this has not changed and we will continue to work on this matter. In respect of the Investment Bank, model of the IB and the -- and its targets, nothing has changed. I think that we are very pleased with the outcome. We need to continue to work hard to consolidate this position and improve our position, but that's the reason we are very specific when talking about a 15% annualized minimum. Depending on market condition, year-on-year or quarter-by-quarter, this may vary, but I don't think it's necessary for us to adjust our targets.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Mr. Huw Van Steenis, Morgan Stanley.

Huw Van Steenis - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Management

Two questions. Just going back to Kian's question, is there a process you agreed with FINMA on the process to unwind the operational risk add-on? What sort of milestones or triggers would be foreseeable? And then number two, on your comment about potentially the inflection of the Non-core runoff now divesting but behind us, I was just intrigued in the Legacy Portfolio why there was almost a CHF 2 billion in either other or operational risk RWAs in the quarter and which obviously subdues the ability to shrink that, if there's any more clarity about what's behind that. And is the progress from here on out getting delivered more slow?

Sergio P. Ermotti

Management

Okay, Huw, again, on our -- FINMA has committed to review the add-on periodically. I think that's at least on a quarter-by-quarter basis, I would say, and that's for possible reduction and as they consider the provisions we establish or developments in the litigation portfolios. So it may not necessarily be a provision that triggers a newer [ph] add-on but rather also a good outcome of a litigation process. And this will happen over time but, I would say, at least on a quarter-by-quarter basis. And as we address those issues, I'm confident that we will be eligible for such deductions.

Thomas Naratil

Management

Huw, the only question -- the way you paraphrased it was, the best is behind us. If I separate 2 different aspects of it, I think, from a realization or the cost of exit, we were advantaged because we had started early. We're ahead a lot of the movements on deleveraging -- leverage ratio of deleveraging a little bit earlier than the industry. And we also began that in some friendlier quarters, certainly 4Q last year, 1Q and 2Q. So we were able to realize positive operating revenues on that rather than negative. And so I think we had a favorable environment and we're just returning to a more normalized environment on those exits. In addition, the other comment that I made and, I think, you've heard through a number of the earnings calls this quarter, and particularly from the American banks, more talk about trade compressions and their focus on leverage ratio and how they're managing that, and we're seeing the uptick in interest, which is mutually beneficial obviously to all of us. And we're encouraged by that in getting the line items down in the OTC portfolio. 820,000 might still sound like a lot, but it's down 13% in the quarter, 40% in a year, so that's pretty substantial progress. If you look at the legacy, there's 2 -- there are always a number of movements in and out, and you can see that detailed on the table on Page 63 in the report. But the 2 big numbers that offset each other for no movement, we had a CHF 1 billion reduction in the CDO line on some CDO sales, but we had a CHF 1 billion uplift in operational risk RWAs. That's physical result of the model flipping over increased ORWAs as a result of the RMBS settlements that we've had in the past in the Legacy Portfolio. So we do think the combination of our provisioning on an IFRS basis as well as our AMA model on a standalone basis are sufficient to provide the underpinning of capital that we need.

Operator

Operator

Next question, from Mr. Christopher Wheeler, Mediobanca.

Christopher Wheeler - Mediobanca Securities, Research Division

Management

A couple of questions and a clarification, if I may. The first question is on Wealth Management Americas. There's been a lot of press about the changes in compensation that are emerging. And I think we've had James Gorman at Morgan Stanley being quoted on the fact that some of the upfront bonuses paid to the FAs have been a tax on the industry dealing with the market during the -- or post-crisis period. And that seems to be now going away. I'm not quite sure how that's been achieved. But what's your view on that and how that might impact your compensation costs? Because clearly, you have been hiring people and obviously paying them at traditional market rate in terms of upfront payments. And I wonder if that would -- or you, do you think that would change and that would beneficial to your pretax margin? The first question. Second question, Tom, when we chatted back in May, you pointed out that [indiscernible] was doing a job in cutting costs. But third -- if we'd look at the third quarter when the market was tougher, and obviously you've done really well in getting to the 80%, top of your range. I mean I don't know, is this a hostage fortune? But can we already assume now that, having got down to 80% in Q3, really we can look at that as some kind of ceiling, unless we have a major issue, and that we can actually see you pushing down towards the bottom range? And then just finally, Sergio, I know you'll think this is a pain, but I don't know if anybody is getting enthusiastic about dividends in 2015, but let's be absolutely clear, I think what you're saying to us is that, in 2015, you would pay out a dividend that would obviously not take the ratio down below 13% and will be limited to 50% of earnings. I think that's what you're telling us, isn't it?

Sergio P. Ermotti

Management

Okay, Christopher, I'll take the first question in respect to the compensation changes. Of course, this introduction by [indiscernible] disclosure, I think what is really changing is this demand that -- to financial advisor that are moving from one bank to another, to disclose any financial package to their clients in a very transparent way. And that, we think, is going to clearly prevent or slow down the amount of people, the turnover of financial advisor, in the industry. And hence, this payment that are done will, over time, have a beneficial effect on compensation. But is -- this is not something that you will see on a quarter-by-quarter basis. It's going to take time. And but it's clearly a good news in respect of improving the economics of the difference. And I'll let Tom respond to questions you just spoke to him in May.

Thomas Naratil

Management

Yes. So if I could just add onto what Sergio said on the trends on in the U.S., the only thing I'd note is, first, we are not the high payer for recruiting bonuses at this point in time. We have a very disciplined process on that. We think that we've got a very attractive model as a firm that's focused on wealth management. As a result, we don't have to pay the highest price to get the best-quality advisors. And I do think that, that's an important aspect in the model for competition. It's not about buying, it's just about compensating people for making the move, which is difficult across firms. And those payments are a function of record-low levels of industry attrition. The industry has -- pays those amounts because people don't want to move and not because they do them -- they do want to move. The question that you asked, I think it was a discussion about how we were doing more in the -- as I think as I already [ph] mentioned, the cost/income ratio, that tied-in with the Investment Bank rather than Non-core and legacy, so I assume it was my comments about Andrea's team and their focus on costs and how they were doing on their reductions.

Christopher Wheeler - Mediobanca Securities, Research Division

Management

I think you're probably right, yes.

Thomas Naratil

Management

Yes. So on that, I think what we -- what the context of that discussion that we have had was, what about the range on cost/income ratio? We were performing down towards that lower end of the range, and you had asked me, "Do you really think you just got the range wrong?" and as to why, and my answer was, "No, I don't." And I think this quarter sort of proves that out. Based on our model very databased, very client focused, is if client volume goes down, seasonally slower quarter, we'll be at the higher end of the range. And at the same time, in the better parts of the cycle, we'll be at the lower end of the range. And to the extent we've reached either one of those a little bit, it's more an anomaly than a reason that we should be changing the ranges.

Christopher Wheeler - Mediobanca Securities, Research Division

Management

No, I don't think I was saying that, Tom. I think what I was saying was, can we now look at that 80%, which is I think a pretty good performance in a political quarter for most people, as something where you can say, actually, now you'll sit below that probably as you forward quarter-by-quarter? That was my question.

Thomas Naratil

Management

I would still stick with the 65% to 85% range. And then last, on the question of, what are we telling you? The 13% target isn't a "one point in time, hit 13% and walk away." It maintained, that 13% ratio, and a 10% CET1 ratio post stress after we pay the whatever dividend or returns of cash flows that we have. And we'll pay that when we reach that amount, with a target of above a 50% ratio on capital returned to shareholders.

Operator

Operator

Next question, from Mr. Stefan Stalmann, Autonomous Research.

Stefan-Michael Stalmann - Autonomous Research LLP

Management

I have 2 or 3 questions again revolving around this operational risk surcharge. You are actually taking this as a reason to postpone your 15% group ROE target. And given that this shouldn't really impact earnings, does that imply that you actually feel forced to hold more capital than you would have budgeted for otherwise without this operational risk charge? Or alternatively, is there also an earnings-driven reason why you're postponing the ROE target for 2015? The second question, again regarding this operational surcharge, is it fair to assume that a lot of these CHF 28 billion will actually be reflected in the Investment Bank? And would that have any implications on your targeted risk-weighted assets in the Investment Bank, in particular if this turns out to be more than an interim issue for 2 or 3 quarters? And finally, it strikes me a little bit strange that you essentially just get a letter from FINMA on something like this basically slapping a very meaningful add-on on a key capital metric without much of an additional explanation and without a forewarning and apparently without much discussion going into this. Do we need to read anything more broadly into your quality of communication with FINMA?

Sergio P. Ermotti

Management

Yes, I'll let you come to your own conclusion about the last question. And that's, what we have told you is how things have happened. And for the rest, I leave Tom to answer.

Thomas Naratil

Management

Okay, So Stefan, going back to your first question, why is the target pushed out on the ROE. If you take the CHF 28 billion and our 13%, that's CHF 3.6 billion in additional equity we have to carry. That's the primary driver, more than it is the earnings impact, which certainly moves into your second question. I'll cover it in a couple of parts: If you look on Page 78 of the quarterly report, you'll see the breakdown of the risk-weighted assets by division by category. So we're applying the add-on in proportion to the operational risks in each division. And so out of the approximately CHF 55 billion in operational risk of the IBs, that CHF 13.6 billion, so they'll take CHF 6.8 billion of the CHF 28 billion. And you can see the rest of the distribution across the other divisions when you come to that page of the report. We believe that we can accommodate the add-on within all of our existing targets for RWAs. That's one of the advantages of all the work that we've done over the past 2 years and certainly over the past year to get our group RWAs down not only below our 2013 target but also below our 2015 target. It gives us the capability to withstand an unwanted action like this. And when you think about, in the short run, might that make things a little bit tighter? Certainly, fourth quarter has a little bit of a seasonal slowdown, but that might make that a little bit easier for us to accommodate.

Operator

Operator

Next question, from Mrs. Fiona Swaffield, Royal Bank of Canada.

Fiona Swaffield - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Management

Could you talk about a few more things on in wealth management? Two, is it just a trend in Asia and emerging markets? To what extent do you think that the setback in Q3 was seasonal, transactional in terms of the implications going forward? And the second issue is, historically, or in the last year or so, you've been lending quite a lot to private banking customers, and that lending seems to have stalled in the third quarter. I just wondered if you could talk about the strategy on the lending side going forward as well.

Thomas Naratil

Management

Okay. So Fiona, on your first question, there really is a seasonal and then sort of a secular piece in terms of this. One, clearly, seasonally, we had the summer, traditional summer, slowdown that we had flagged in our outlook statement. But additionally, this move discussion/debate around when the Fed begins to taper clearly had an impact on the way clients thought about the cost of their leverage, the way asset prices performed in certain markets. And as a result, clients, in order to adjust their risk exposures, took leverage off and also didn't initiate new transactions. So some summer, but some of this is affected by what happens as you move into a -- as move from a accommodative monetary policy into a more neutral to eventually tight policy. Clearly, that will have some impact in the turnover phase, in the transition phase on borrowing activity and some other items. So it's more than just the seasonal. At the same time, as Sergio mentioned these, exceptionally high cash levels of 28%, our concern about structural issues in the U.S. that we flagged in our outlook statement for the fourth quarter, I think, give you a view that it's -- there's also some hangover effect that could continue. On your comment about the lending and a -- did you -- what does that look like. We had a slower -- clearly, a slight decline in terms of our Lombard lending in the quarter. But as I mentioned, it's logical one in response to market prices, in response to views on additional future cost of borrowing. And at the same time, let's not forget that we did have a decent decline of the dollar against the Swiss franc, and so any of the asset classes -- or so any of the loans that are denominated in the dollar would, as a result, have been marked down in the report.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Mr. Jeremy Sigee from Barclays Capital.

Jeremy Sigee - Barclays Capital, Research Division

Management

I -- sorry, but I want to get back to a couple of the topics that have obviously already been raised. On the operational risk add-on, is your judgment that this is primarily about future settlements that you've not -- future risks that you've not yet settled and not yet provisioned, as opposed to a backward-looking calculation that's capturing some of your recent charges? You mentioned both things, and I just wanted to check, in your judgment, is it primarily a forward-looking or a backward-looking calculation? The second question I had, really just echoing Stefan's question actually, which is that, even with this, you're below your RWA glide path, so I don't understand why would this affect your ROE targets. You're still well within your guided RWA reduction even with this, and you yourself have highlighted that, so why would ROE target be affected? And third question, on the leverage exposure, you made some more fantastic progress here in the quarter down from CHF 1,141 million to CHF 1,063 million. You've talked previously about a sort of, I think, 2018 target around CHF 900 billion, but it looks like you could be achieving that sometime next year already. Is that a realistic expectation? Can we expect something approaching this pace of leverage exposure reduction to carry on in the next few quarters?

Thomas Naratil

Management

Jeremy, thanks for those questions. I think, looking at the upper set on this question of future and past, as I mentioned, we think current with -- our view, we think current and future is captured by the provisions that we carry. In the past, it's captured by our AMA model. I'd say our regulator's add-on probably deals with the difference in their view on the future. Second, your question, "You're ahead, but why are you pushing out the target?" I think, if you go to our Slide 22, although the CHF 247 billion is certainly below the CHF 250 billion target we set for this year, if you go out to 2015 what we're looking for the ROE target, it is CHF 25 billion -- sorry, that's CHF 22 billion greater than that target. And so as a result, without the complete removal of that, we think we missed the 15% ROE target and so pushed it out at least a year. And then lastly is pace of deleveraging, we certainly have the energy, desire, focus, and as we mentioned, we're encouraged by seeing some other banks and dealers that are also giving that focus. So I'd hate to extrapolate great progress forward, but we are encouraged by what we hear about other dealers also being willing to engage with us.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Mr. Michael Helsby from Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Michael Helsby - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Management

Just 2 questions, firstly on the add-on. Clearly, this was -- this is quite a material change, such as to be wondering why you chose not to tell the market as and when you received this. And secondly, Tom, you've talked, I think, quite a lot about the volatility in the gross margin on a month-by-month basis, particularly in Q1, so I was wondering if there was equal volatility in Q3, if you could talk about maybe the exit rate. And you referenced the outlook statement. And I think, reading that, you're clearly emphasizing the headwinds going into Q4. So I was just wondering, is that a headwind incremental to Q3, i.e., are you guiding those to a lower margin [indiscernible]?

Thomas Naratil

Management

Michael, thank you. So on your question about the timing of our announcement for the add-on charts, it's in line with our announcement or disclosures for this quarter because, one, we received the order at the end of the quarter; two, it takes effect in the fourth quarter and doesn't affect the third quarter numbers; and three, the effect of it was largely offset by the SNB StabFund option, positive effect. Going to your second question, on volatility in gross margin, you're correct to point out we've seen exceptional volatility this year. It did continue into this quarter. The month series during 3Q is 89, 81, 85, so we finished at the average for the quarter. But clearly, you see there isn't a lot of conviction, I think, but that's what happens when you have 28% cash levels and invested and clients have concerns about structural issues in the economy, banking system, fiscal situations globally, and then throw in a little bit of disturbance in the Mid East during the quarter as well. That most certainly would give clients pause and cause small changes in transactional activity and rebalances to have a pretty big swing on your transactional gross margin. The outlook statement has been very cautious for a number of quarters now pointing out the structural changes, but you did correctly point out that we identified that the fourth quarter did certainly begin with a debate focused on a possible default of the U.S.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Mr. Jeremy (sic) [Jernej] Omahen from Goldman Sachs.

Jernej Omahen - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Management

I just got 2 question left, 2 questions left. I mean, it's all a little bit of a clarification issue when they come so late in the call, but here they go. So firstly, on this FINMA intervention, to what extent do you feel that you've been singled-out here as an institution in Switzerland? And to what extent do you feel that this is rather a broader sector issue and that we might see some of your peers, I guess, or some of your competitors come up with a similar thing? So I guess, shortly, to what extent do you think this is UBS specific? To what extent do you feel it is the Swiss bank sector specific? And the second question I get, I'm sorry on this, and I must be slow, but I still don't understand how you end up with more risk-weighted assets because of this add-on, compared to what you are targeting? Did I understand your message currently, are you saying basically that the pace of reduction of risk-weighted assets would have slowed in '14 and '15 compared to what you were targeting to essentially end up at your '15 target? Or is the message something different?

Sergio P. Ermotti

Management

Okay, thanks. I think it's just crystal clear that all these issues that are going on are not idiosyncratic to UBS but are industry-wide issues. And so -- and this is clearly something that I will describe both on an international basis and also on a domestic basis. I think that we have a strong capital position. I think that we have a very transparent methodology to reflect operational risks to our AMA model and the disclosures, as I mentioned, on our litigation risks. I think that I -- we do not go into comments about being singled-out, only to say that we are really confident that we are having a best-in-class disclosure standard and a substantial amount of risk-weighted assets in our computation to take care about those issues.

Thomas Naratil

Management

And Jernej, your question on the RWA. I think it's a -- I think, one, we have to sort of put this in context on we haven't created a new form of alchemy where we're going to evaporate all the RWAs of the bank. We're at CHF 219 billion currently. That is below the December 2015 target of CHF 225 billion and only CHF 19 billion away from the ultimate target of CHF 200 million out into 2017. And if you look especially on these pages, that I think it's 62 and 63, in the quarterly report that show RWA and also PRV, more of the reductions we're going to be doing now is taking out the RWAs. More of our focus is really on PRV and not RWA. And the pace of our RWA reductions most certainly will slow. And at the same time, as we get experience, let's think about operational risk: If you think about that split between CHE 28 billion and CHF 55 billion, we're going to have some historical pressure kicking-in on the AMA model as we settle some of these. That will offset, to some extent, some of the reductions that we expect to see in the add-on. So clearly, we see that this most certainly is an impediment to achieving the ROE target in 2015, and that's why we flagged it.

Jernej Omahen - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division

Management

All right. Can I ask maybe just a -- and this is going to be very short, just a follow-on question? The average risk weights of the Swiss banks have historically always been low, and I don't want to have a debate for the reasons why that's the case, but do you think that there is a possibility that FINMA, which has now taken action on the operational risk weights, weighs in on the market risk and the credit risk side of the equation as well? Or can you rule that out?

Thomas Naratil

Management

So, one, on the credit risk side, they've already taken action through the FINMA mortgage multiplier, which as you know is a phased-in sort of a multiplier that's carrying over a period of time. So I think, one, that action has already been taken. On market risk, as you can see from our Slide 22, the UBS of today compared to the UBS of precrisis is very different. At 34% operational risk, RWA is now, with this add-on, 60% credit, which certainly isn't surprising for the largest bank in Switzerland, and only 6% coming from market risk. Our view in looking at -- we look at the PCBS studies because we actually think they're quite valuable in terms of the way the methodology is conducted. We've looked at that both on a credit risk and a market risk perspective. We're happy we don't stand out on any of those. We tend to fall dead center. And from that standpoint, we don't think we should have great exposure to some form of -- just to the extent there is any recalibration like that. We think that's a mistake. We think the combination -- what Basel III originally intended, the combination of both a risk-weighted methodology and a leverage ratio works in tandem. And if you move too far away from that, it seems like you're shifting to one methodology versus the other, and as you know, that can have some bizarre effects.

Caroline Stewart

Management

Well, I think we've now come to the end of the questions from the investors and analysts. So thank you very much for joining us. And we're now going to switch the call over to journalists, if you'd like to pose questions to Sergio and Tom.