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United Community Banks, Inc. (UCB)

Q4 2011 Earnings Call· Thu, Jan 26, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to United Community Banks' Fourth Quarter Conference Call. Hosting the call today are President and Chief Executive Officer, Jimmy Tallent; Chief Financial Officer, Rex Schuette; and Chief Risk Officer, David Shearrow. United's presentation today includes references to core pretax, pre-credit earnings, operating earnings and other non-GAAP financial information. For each of these non-GAAP financial measures, United has provided a reconciliation to GAAP in the Financial Highlights section of the news release and at the end of the Investor Presentation. Both are included on the website at ucbi.com. Copies of today's earnings release and Investor Presentation for the fourth quarter were filed on Form 8-K with the SEC, and a replay of this call will be available on the company's Investor Relations page at ucbi.com. Please be aware that during this call, forward-looking statements may be made by United Community Banks. Any forward-looking statements should be considered, in light of risks and uncertainties described on Page 4 of the company's Form 10-K and other information provided by the company in its filings with the SEC and included on its website. At this time, we will begin the conference call with Jimmy Tallent.

Jimmy Tallent

Management

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter earnings call. 2011 was another challenging year, but also, one of improvement, and United finished on a positive note with a profitable fourth quarter. I will briefly cover the financial highlights, and then David and Rex will share some comments before I return with concluding remarks and then open the call for your questions. Core pretax pre-credit earnings were $26.6 million, up $152,000 from the third quarter. Our net income was $9.9 million or $0.12 per share. Included in fourth quarter earnings were 2 onetime items that increased net income by $5.7 million. Net charge-offs were $45.6 million, which included $25 million related to our largest loan relationship, which we specifically reserved for in the third quarter. OREO expenses were also elevated at $9.3 million, $3 million related to losses on sales and $4 million was due to write-downs to accelerate future sales. During the fourth quarter, we made $182 million in new loan commitments, of which we funded $147 million. As a result of this growth, for the first time since March of 2008, we stopped the decline in the loan portfolio. We are achieving stability in the portfolio and believe we are approaching an inflection point for which we can begin to see positive growth. During 2011, we increased core transaction deposits by $266 million, $186 million of which was in noninterest-bearing demand deposit balances. $121 million was commercial and $65 million was retail. Core transaction deposits were down slightly in the fourth quarter compared to the prior period, although we saw improvement in the overall mix with positive growth in noninterest-bearing demand accounts. Nonperforming assets were $160 million or 2.3% of assets at quarter-end. The net interest margin was 3.51%, and our capital ratios…

David Shearrow

Management

Thank you, Jimmy, and good morning. As Jimmy noted, our credit metrics this quarter were significantly affected by the $25 million charge down of our largest loan relationship. In the third quarter, this relationship was classified nonperforming, and a $25 million specific reserve was established against it. During the fourth quarter, we updated our appraisals of the underlying assets and determined the $25 million charge-down against the previously established reserve was appropriate. The remaining book balance on this relationship was $50.4 million at quarter-end, and the loan to value, based on current appraisals and net of pledged cash, was 67%. With that update, I will review our results for the quarter. This quarter, we provided $14 million for loan losses, down from $36 million in the third quarter. Net operating charge-offs were $46 million in the fourth quarter, up $28.5 million from last quarter. Nonperforming assets declined $29 million from $189 million last quarter to $160 million this quarter. The decrease in the quarter was primarily due to the $25 million charge-down previously mentioned, although we did realize an $11 million reduction in foreclosed properties. Nonperforming assets included $127 million of nonperforming loans and $33 million in foreclosed properties. The net inflow of new NPLs was $46 million this quarter compared to $103 million last quarter, which included $76.6 million related to our largest relationship. We had no accruing loans that were past due 90 days. The ratio of nonperforming assets to total assets was 2.30% compared to 2.74% last quarter. In addition, our performing classified loans decreased $13 million from $341 million to $328 million on a linked quarter basis. Accruing TDRs totaled $106 million and increased $36 million from last quarter. Most of the increase in TDRs occurred in CRE and residential mortgage categories. Our early delinquency remained…

Rex Schuette

Management

Thank you, David, and good morning. My comments today will refer to pages within our Investor Presentation and tables included in our earnings release. Now highlights for the fourth quarter. Core pretax pre-credit earnings for the fourth quarter of 2011 as shown on Page 20 of the Investor Presentation were $26.6 million, up $152,000 from last quarter and down $527,000 from a year ago. The increase from last quarter is primarily due to lower operating expenses. I will comment on each area later, but first is net interest revenue. Net interest revenue of $59.1 million was down $231,000 from last quarter and down $1.1 million from a year ago. A key element in the margin declining this quarter was a 23 basis point decrease in the yield on our securities portfolio. We're unable to reinvest cash flows from the prepayment of mortgage-backed securities at the same rate. This increase in prepayments of mortgage-backed securities lowered our margin by 7 basis points. On the positive side, besides lowering our funding cost again this quarter, we were able to hold loan volumes relatively flat with last quarter, and we believe we are at or near an inflection point. We haven't seen a flat or growth quarter in loans for nearly 4 years. Achieving quality loan growth in 2012 is key to growing net interest revenue. The $1.1 million decrease in net interest revenue from a year ago was primarily due to a $593 million decline in average loan balances, which was substantially offset by lower deposit costs. Our average interest-bearing deposit rate was 70 basis points this quarter compared to 120 basis points a year ago. As shown on Page 23, our average yield on loan balances for the fourth quarter was 5.49%, down 6 basis points from 5.55% last year. Being…

Jimmy Tallent

Management

Thank you, Rex. You have heard a great deal about the fourth quarter and 2011 as a whole. Not all the news has been positive, but we've made significant progress in a number of key areas. We have continued to grow core deposits with 15,600 net new core deposit accounts in 2011 alone. That translates to $266 million in net new core deposit growth and thousands of new customers. We have stabilized the runoff in our loan portfolio and are beginning to have traction that, we believe, will lead to growth in the future. We continue to improve our loan portfolio composition and to grow owner-occupied commercial real estate and small business loans while reducing our high-risk construction portfolios. Throughout 2011, we were able to maintain our loan portfolio yield within 6 basis points of the fourth quarter of 2010 while decreasing deposit costs by 50 basis points from 120 to 70. This helped to offset the impact of the $593 million reduction in average loan balances compared to the fourth quarter of last year, and we continue to see excellent customer satisfaction ratings at 95.5%, the highest in the nation, as reported yesterday by Customer Service Profiles. I make these points to say that we have laid a strong foundation for continued improvement in 2012. Through the efforts of our dedicated bankers, I am confident that we will continue to grow core deposits. We will continue to be vigilant on pricing, although we expect pricing pressure on good credits. On the subject of loans, the leveling off of our loan portfolio is encouraging and is due primarily to the addition of seasoned commercial lenders focused on owner-occupied commercial real estate in our metro markets, and you will see more of this. We expect all of these factors to contribute…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Jefferson Harralson with KBW.

Jefferson Harralson

Analyst

I want to ask David a question. I'm just kind of going through my notes of the -- of the marks you're talking about and the NPLs and the OREO. I think I heard you say $0.71 on the $1 is currently for the NPLs. And I just -- I had from my notes that the last 2 quarters were $0.57 and $0.62, respectively. Are my numbers right? And if so, is there a mix change going on there that -- where the newer stuff coming in is higher quality and being marked down less or something?

David Shearrow

Management

Yes. Well, first, I think your numbers are right. I don't have the historical numbers right here in front of me. But I think directionally, those are accurate, and they're probably exactly on. The real issue, Jefferson, is our process on the NPL side is getting current -- we get a current appraisal as soon as a loan goes to classified status, and our process is to write it down to a minimum of 80% of that new appraisal. And so what it's telling me, and you can see it, it's really a shift in the mix as much as anything, and the collateral is behind it. If you go back several quarters, we had a higher percentage in residential construction. We continue to see the inflow out of that portfolio decline. And of course, that's where our greatest losses are. So that -- more than anything else, it's the mix shift. But the science behind it really comes down to what is that correct appraisal telling us, and that's how we take the mark.

Jefferson Harralson

Analyst

Okay. And is that similar for the OREO? I had it at $0.33 last quarter, and it increased to $0.36 even though you took a decent negative mark there.

David Shearrow

Management

No. It is the same -- or let me just add to it. The OREO process, again, would -- we would start at a baseline of 80% of the current appraised value. However, we might take a deeper mark based on reduction in sales price. We always take the lower of either that 80% of appraisal or 90% of the current sales price. And so, for example, when you see us with the -- you saw the OREO expense climb here in the fourth quarter, about $4 million of that related to additional write-down on the remaining OREO on the books. Most of that had to do with our desire to go ahead and mark that down to position us to more aggressively move those assets in the coming quarter as opposed to new appraisals, although there is a piece of it that would tie it to new appraisals. So that is the flow there. But ultimately, when you back into that percentage you look at, it has more to do with what is the market value -- the current market value tied to appraisals than anything else.

Jefferson Harralson

Analyst

All right. And one more. Accruing TDRs, is that a subset, or is that separate from performing classifieds?

David Shearrow

Management

It's a subset of performing classifieds. So yes, I mean, you got that $328 million of performing classifieds. Virtually all of our accruing TDRs are classified. There's a very -- I think it's less than $1 million is not classified. In future quarters, you'll begin to see some of that probably get upgraded because a lot of them have been restructured. They're performing well and will go back to better credit grades. But as of today, all of it -- virtually all of it is in the performing classified.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Michael Rose of Raymond James.

Michael Rose

Analyst

Just had a question on the expense reduction that you talked about, $10 million. I was wondering off of what base you're basing that off of. Does that include credit costs and some of the other items this quarter, or is it a full year run rate of 2011? Just some guidance there, clarity would be great.

Jimmy Tallent

Management

No. The $10 million does -- would exclude the credit cost out of that, Michael. Our expense base is roughly -- if you remove the FDIC fees, it's roughly $100 million on salaries and $70 million on the remaining business, or $170 million is what I would look at as the overall operating costs.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Bill Young with Macquarie.

Bill Young

Analyst

I just kind of -- right now, I'm just looking at kind of your efficiency ratio and your operating at about 71% in the fourth quarter. Is there kind of a long-term target that you're trying to manage towards with this new expense program?

Jimmy Tallent

Management

Actually, what we're trying to do is to remove the -- or get that number down in the upper 50% range, which is where we have been in the past. What we've done basically has continued to look at our overall expense base, look at the growth potentials and so forth. But in pulling our group together, the real focus has been on our process improvements, our operating efficiencies, whether that's on the deposit side or on the lending side. We believe there is considerable savings, and revisiting those and becoming much more efficient. That process on the deposit side is well underway and certainly believe we'll -- we will get significant benefits. But we'll also be -- benchmarking will become a tool to help and ensure and calibrate our company relative to our size and expense base. We'll look at everything across the board, from our branch network, the overlap, the little branches that have significant growth potential, those that doesn't, cost structures within those branches, as well as cost structures within the holding company. So everything's on -- is on the table.

Rex Schuette

Management

Bill, this is Rex. I'd like to add to that. The 71% that you're looking at includes the elevated level of foreclosure cost. So as Jimmy indicated, as we look at it, we're looking at reducing the other core expenses in the $10 million you talked about. And that would probably -- with the $10 million we talked about, with a good portion of that being expenses, would probably put us in the mid-upper range 55% to 58% on efficiency, again, with a lower run rate on foreclosure cost in that number.

Bill Young

Analyst

Got you. And then switching over to the -- to kind of credit. I know some of the reserve release this quarter is related to your large NPL. But kind of how do you -- how do you kind of look at your reserve going forward as you go into 2012?

David Shearrow

Management

Right, yes. Well, yes, $25 million of the reserve release this quarter was the release of the specific reserve from last quarter that was charged off. But as we -- looking forward, really our reserve is going to be dictated by the methodology we use, which is really heavily driven by historical loss experienced in these portfolios. And as the credit metrics improve, we'd expect to see a little bit of a release in that. Now that'll be offset, of course, by judgmental factors and our desire to be cautious, in terms of how much that reserve would come down, and environmental factors, in terms of what's going on in the economy, et cetera, early leading indicators. So all those things will bake in. There isn't an absolute target that I can give you. I think based on what we're experiencing, there's probably a pretty good likelihood we'll continue to see some notching down of the overall reserve, but I don't expect it to be a real rapid decline.

Bill Young

Analyst

Okay. And just one last question, if I may. Just on a core basis, charge-offs ticked up sequentially, excluding the large write-downs. Can you just comment if that's kind of more you guys being a little bit more aggressive in marking down assets for sale, or are you seeing anything systemically in the portfolio?

David Shearrow

Management

No. Really, I think the -- excluding the large one this quarter, the net charge-offs, yes, were up a little bit this quarter. It's more of a function of just this NPL inflow had come up some in the quarter, again, if you exclude the large relationship. Valuations on real estate properties are still very distressed. Some -- in some parts of our geography, I think -- I'm not sure that we're at the bottom yet; other parts, I believe that we are. And so really, it depends on where the assets coming in from in terms of the impacts on the overall level of charge-offs. However, I do think that the overall net charge-offs and the inflow are really at the higher end of the range of what I would expect over the next few quarters. Generally, if you look at the trends in our portfolio in terms of what's going on with past dues and performing classifieds and even our watch list, we are seeing improving trends. The thing that's so hard to predict is there's going to be some lumpiness on credit. Some of that comes out of credit that you show adequate capability, but then the willingness of the borrower isn't there. And we still encounter that from time to time. So I guess I say all of that to say -- kind of reiterate what I said in my opening comments, which is I do believe that, generally, the credit metrics will continue to improve, but I think you could see a little bit of a variation from quarter-to-quarter. And again, I do think we're at the higher end of that range of what you saw in the fourth quarter.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Jennifer Demba of SunTrust Robinson and Humphrey (sic) [SunTrust Robinson Humphrey].

Jennifer Demba

Analyst

I was wondering, 2 questions. One, can you just talk about how you've been able to hold your loan yield up so well in the last several quarters? And then two, David, could you give us some color on the nature of the inflows you're seeing right now in the fourth quarter and what you're seeing in first quarter, too? If you could give us any color.

David Shearrow

Management

Jennifer, on the loan pricing, I think it really comes down to the mix that we have in the portfolio. We've seen probably 2/3 of it being fixed coming through. The other 1/3 is prime daily, and that probably 3 or 4 -- 3 years ago was reversed. And again, I think, additionally, being able to still hold in our floor pricing as it renews, as it comes back through. We are seeing with the new loan portfolio, with new loans coming on, more competitive pressure, especially in our metro markets, with those coming down, but the mix still is holding in. If you saw the one page there, I think we're at 5.01% on the new and renewed over the past quarter. So we're still able to hold it in well, where our maturing loans coming off are probably in the 5.20% or 5.30%. So it's still around the same blended rates. So we're not having a significant negative impact with that.

Rex Schuette

Management

On the inflow question, Jennifer, the largest inflow category is residential mortgage here this past quarter, and we saw that tick up. Part of the reason for the rise this past quarter was, oftentimes, we have full relationship borrowers who -- where we may have a commercial relationship, along with their house, and so it may impact more than one category. That was part of the reason for the driver. Yet, overall, resi mortgage continues to just be a source of inflow for us, and I think it's going to continue to be one of the largest segments for us. The -- on residential construction, we continue to see that decline. I mean, it's declined every quarter, really for the past 4 quarters. I think if you went back, it's probably now at least 8 quarters down. I don't have those year prior quarter-by-quarter numbers in front of me. But certainly over the last 4, it's ticked down sequentially, and I really expect that trend to continue, both because the size of the portfolio has shrunk, but also the default rate of that portfolio appears to continue to improve. CRE was the second largest inflow category this past quarter. And so when I -- and then commercial construction, I guess, would be the -- in there as well. The actual numbers, if you want me to give you that breakdown, it's commercial construction was $7.9 million. C&I was $2 million. CRE was $12.1 million. Resi construction was $8.4 million, and resi mortgage was $14.7 million. And generally, my expectation is that residential mortgage will probably stay in an elevated level for some time. The residential construction will continue to tick down. CRE, I think, will bounce around up and down. I think we're probably at the higher end of the range, because frankly, the 3 prior quarters, we've been down in the $7 million to $9 million range. And I think -- I really don't think we'll see it as high in the coming quarters, but it could on a given credit. It could've impact that. And then commercial construction, I think we'll see that drop as well. Because that land content, while we still have a fair amount of land content, the default rate there appears to be dropping. And I think we had -- we had been at $900,000 in the third quarter. We jumped up to $7.9 million. So it's going to be lumpy, I guess, is a better way to say it. And so generally speaking, the most predictable is resi mortgage and then CRE probably following that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Kevin Fitzsimmons of Sandler O'Neill.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Just a few things here. Rex, could we -- can I just get some clarification on the margin outlook? I think I heard you right. You said $375 million for 2012. Does that mean kind of averaged over the year? Does that mean reaching it at some point? Does that mean reaching it in the first quarter? And is it -- it seems like it's based on the assumption that loan growth is going to continue to improve and -- but also this excess liquidity is really going to fall off. And I know that was the main thing that didn't play out this quarter. Is it the risk that, that happens again to your outlook in the next few quarters?

Rex Schuette

Management

Let me clarify it again, Kevin. I know sometimes I talk pretty fast. I didn't know that in my comments earlier that we had projected the fourth quarter at about 3.7%. And again, that was with a significant amount of excess liquidity coming off the balance sheet, which is about 67 basis point impact right now. I did comment that our outlook for 2012 is in -- is staying in the $350 million range. It might ticks to the upper end of that, but I think, as I indicated, the pressures out there. Jennifer raised the question earlier that loan repricing is obviously a concern. We're holding it in well. We're -- I commented that we're repricing CDs still down further, and we have a significant amount maturing that would give us benefit in 2012. Though the bottom line with it is if you look at, is again in the context of what drives net interest revenue. And what drives net interest revenue, again, is our loan repricing, holding in our -- holding in loan repricing, getting a little more out of our CD repricing. And what makes it complicated when you look at our margin is the significant amount of excess liquidity. And again, we will benefit from that in 2012, but it really is not going to have a material impact on the bottom line. And that's where it gets little more difficult in trying to project out, because then you have to project out what's kind of the real margin that relates to the net interest revenue versus we will get benefit as excess liquidity comes off the balance sheet and going forward. So I do think if you look at our margin underneath it, we -- I guess we're saying we look to see net interest revenue holding pretty steady. Again, it has some loan repricing pressures, but we have the benefit of CDs repricing. And again, if we can continue to grow the mix, which is key both in more demand deposit mix in our funding, as well as, again, adding more loans, and next year, hitting this inflection point with some growth.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Okay. So I heard it wrong. So you said in the 350s range. So it's really more of maintaining the margin but with a focus on dollars of net interest income.

Rex Schuette

Management

Right.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Okay, great. If I could also ask David. Just -- if you could give a little more color on disposition plans. If you could repeat what you disposed of this quarter. But then, with this, it seems like you guys took a very aggressive approach to writing down properties this quarter. And that's not just for what you disposed of, but what you, hopefully, have teed up for the next 2 or 3 quarters. Can you give us some idea of timing of how that's going to work? Is it going to be kind of a slow steady bleed of OREO, or are we going to see, maybe in the second quarter, because of the strong selling season, would you expect more of a sizable step-down in OREO?

David Shearrow

Management

Yes, sure. Yes, we sold $30 million in the fourth quarter. Losses on sales on that was right about $3 million. And yes, we -- the remaining inventory that we were carrying at quarter-end, we took another $4 million write-down in the fourth quarter on the retained -- on the OREO yet to be sold. It was positioned as to hopefully move it out of here more quickly and with minimal or no loss going forward. I think the challenge, Kevin -- we have 2 challenges. One is, the first quarter tends to slow down. And we're aware of that, yet we'll be moving hard. The other thing that has -- as we've gone through this, we have less larger parcels that we're selling. It's a much more granular portfolio of OREO today than it would've been 1 year or 2 years ago. That's good in that you can attract more buyers, but it's a lot more transactions to get -- to move off the same kind of dollars. So I guess I say all that to say I would expect -- I don't think we'll hit $30 million in the first quarter. If I had to -- excuse me, $20 million in the fourth is what we did. I don't think will hit $20 million in the first, but we could. I think it'd probably be somewhere in the $15 million to $20 million if I had to guess. It's really a guess at this point. Second quarter, I think, will pick up, and we'll see a much stronger quarter, because that's just historically what's happened. So hopefully that gives you a little bit of flavor. And at the same time, I'd tell you that we're always looking at various options. We have people approach us about bulk purchases and that type of thing that we weigh into the mix, which could change it in any given quarter. But generally, our strategy is going to be more of a retail strategy.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Okay. One last question if -- I don't know, for Jimmy or Rex. If -- you mentioned how you're going to be focused on improving credit, continuing to put up profitable quarters and that, that would -- in theory, that would result in the reversal of the DTA allowance. Is there any sense for how long that takes? I know we've seen a few companies out there where they've put up 5 quarters of consecutive profits and have gotten it. Is that your sense, or is there a chance that, that would be -- it would be even faster for you all?

Rex Schuette

Management

Kevin, this is Rex. I think it's still, I think, a difficult one to project out. I do believe that it takes several quarters of sustained profitability with improvement in both credit coming to the bottom line over that period of time. And the key, really, underneath it then is the evaluation and looking at that is subjective evidence that through the credit, you're earning solid profits to support that in the context of accumulative loss. So I don't think there's a time period specific to that, but I -- we do look at that in the future, continuing with profitability and being able to utilize the DTA.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Christopher Marinac of FIG Partners.

Christopher Marinac

Analyst

And, Rex, I guess I had a similar question that Kevin did on the DTA, just to ask another direction. I mean, does the absolute level of profitability, in terms of dollars, drive how much you can recapture any given year or quarter? Should we be focused on that as well?

Rex Schuette

Management

Yes. I mean, the simple mechanics of it if you look at each quarter is basically your pretax income or pretax loss, and we hopefully don't expect losses, but your pretax earnings will fall to the bottom line. There will be some little breakage in there between allocation and some of the OCI components. But I think that's the way we commented that in the press release, that we expect minimal provision, whether expense, in '12 relating to our pretax income. So basically, that falls right to the bottom line.

Christopher Marinac

Analyst

Okay, great. And then I guess my other question for Jimmy was just more from the regulatory relationship standpoint. Where are you in terms of where they want you to be on classifieds as well as -- just if you have opportunities externally that come along, I mean, can you look at those? Or what is, I guess, the thought on timing of just looking at external opportunities this year or next?

Jimmy Tallent

Management

Well, the classified to Tier 1, Chris, is a very key number for us, as well as the regulatory side. But my guess would be that, that needs to be down into the low to mid 50s. And right now, I think, at the end of the Q4, we're about 66%, 67%. Certainly, I believe our relationship with the regulators, because we stay very close in touch with them, is very solid. And certainly, we would -- we have a strong interest in participating at the appropriate time on the consolidation. We're working down this classified to Tier 1 as -- just as quickly as we can, managing the efficiency of and the cost of capital in doing so. But we're very mindful of that ratio. And though we've not been given a number specifically from the regulators, that's our best assumption.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is a follow-up from Michael Rose of Raymond James.

Michael Rose

Analyst

Just one quick follow-up for David. I noticed in the performing classifieds, the owner-occupied CRE ticked up a little bit. Was there anything that drove that?

David Shearrow

Management

No. It was -- it's really not any particular one name, Michael. It just -- it's just a general tick up in a few different names that popped it up. I really wouldn't expect that trend to continue, but we'll see as we work through the quarter. But no, it was not any particular one name or anything like that.

Operator

Operator

I'm showing no further questions in queue. I would now like to turn it back over to you, sir, for any further remarks.

Jimmy Tallent

Management

Well, thank you, operator, and we want to thank everyone for being on the call this morning. Rex, David and myself will be around all day and certainly encourage you to give any of us a call if you have additional questions. Thanks again for your interest in United, and we look forward to talking with you next quarter.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. That concludes the presentation. You may disconnect, and have a wonderful day.