Michael Sharp
Analyst · Jefferies
Thank you, Bob. Julien, as Bob said, there's a tremendous amount of intrinsic value here at AmeriGas, right? And to unlock that value, we have the 6 PMO projects that are in progress right now at various stages from supply to around the delivery, customer value proposition, billing. So a number of initiatives, again, that we're seeing -- already seeing the results or the fruits from those projects. So really successfully executing those projects. And we have a number of other projects that we don't advertise outside the PMO, which are also creating -- will create -- creating tremendous intrinsic value. So a lot of effort around there. As Sean mentioned, we had a 70% EBIT growth last year. We foresee this year being in that ballpark, right, the same ballpark. And then going forward, there's additional value going forward. But this isn't a onetime thing. It's an ongoing thing. There's a lot of improvement at AmeriGas. I think anyone this call, it's not a secret that the last several years here at AmeriGas has been difficult but we have stabilized the business, right? So 17% growth in EBIT. Our volumes are virtually flat this year, which is the first time this has happened in 5 years. It's been a sustained decline. So we flattened volumes and then getting all these things right, as Bob says, is there's just a tremendous amount of intrinsic value growth ahead of us.
Sean O’Brien: Julien, maybe to answer that last question, I'm just going to add on real quick. So this year, we went from a leverage ratio of about 6 when you look back coming into the year to 4.9, which we're incredibly proud of. That happened in 2 ways. Mike and the team grew EBIT $24 million, 17%. Obviously, that has a positive impact. And we delevered another $200 million, came into the year with about $1.9 billion of debt exited the year close to $1.7 billion. And you were asking in the future, where do we see that going? I'm pretty confident you're going to see us in '26 start to approach or even beat a 4.5 leverage rate in AmeriGas, somewhere in that range, maybe even a little lower, and that's going to come in the same way. We're continuing to delever a little bit more. And as Bob and Mike said, we're expecting low double-digit growth out of AmeriGas in '26. So more of the same and it'll be a pretty impressive day when that leverage rate is sub-4.5.