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Q2 2021 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 12, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and thank you for waiting. Welcome to Ultrapar's Earning Conference for the Second Quarter of 2021. This meeting is also being simultaneously cast through Ultrapar's webcast, ri.ultra.com.br and MZiQ platform. Please feel free to flip through the slides during the presentation. With us today are Ultrapar CEO, Mr. Frederico Curado; Ultrapar CFO, and IRO Mr. Rodrigo Pizzinatto; and Ipiranga CEO, Mr. Marcelo Araujo joined by the group's other executives. Please be advised that this event is being recorded. And all participants will be connected in listen-only mode during the company’s presentation. After Ultrapar’s remarks, the floor will be open for questions, at which time further instructions will be provided. [Operator Instructions] We would like to remind you that question’s for the Q&A, maybe posted on the webcast page at any point during the call, and the recording of this conference will be available on replay for one-week. Before we proceed, let me mention that the company's forward-looking statements are being made under the safe harbor of the 1996 Securities Litigation Reform Act. These statements are based on the beliefs and assumptions of Ultrapar's management as well as information currently available to the company. They involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions seen as they relate to future events and therefore depend on circumstances that may or may not materialize. Investors should understand that general economic conditions, the state of the industry and other operating factors could also affect Ultrapar's future earnings and could lead to significantly different results than those expressed in said forward-looking statements. Now, let me turn the conference over to Mr. Frederico Curado. Mr. Curado you may now begin the conference.

Frederico Curado

Analyst

Hello, and good morning everyone. Thank you for participating in our earnings call. Let me kick off saying that we had a good progress in the second quarter, particularly now our strategic agenda, but also in cash management and a gradual reduction of our indebtedness. So the three transactions I would like to talk about in May, we signed the contract to sell Extrafarma to Pague Menos and this transaction now awaits the approval of CADE to be finalized. We also announced the sale of our 50% stake in ConectCar in this case when possible. This operation has already obtained approval of CADE and the only pending condition is now the clearance from Brazil's Central Bank once. Of course ConectCar is a financial institution. And finally, we announced negotiations are now on exclusive basis with Indorama for the sale of Oxiteno. Our expectation is that we should finalize this rather soon. Speaking now briefly about our businesses, which Rodrigo will cover details in a few minutes. We had another excellent quarter in Ultracargo and Oxiteno. In both cases, the companies recorded new quarterly records, so great progress there. I would also like to highlight the advancement and anticipation of Ultracargo expansion projects both in Vila do Conde and Itaqui and this early entry into service will provide an increase in revenues towards the end of this year. Speaking about Extrafarma now they have achieved another quarter of significant improvements. It is facing competitive pressure in its main markets, but its continued on its trajectory of recovery. Ultragaz had another solid quarter despite the challenges in the markets imposed by the continued increases in the price of raw materials. Just to give you a perspective in 2021 alone raw material has risen something in the order of 40%. And finally Ipiranga…

Rodrigo Pizzinatto

Analyst

Thank you, Fred and good morning, everyone. It's a pleasure to be here once more to talk about Ultrapar's quarterly results. So let's start with Ultrapar's consolidated results on slide number 4. As you can see in the upper-right graph, our recurring EBITDA totaled BRL 898 million in the second quarter a 50% increase over the second quarter of 2020 the quarter most affected by COVID especially due to the significant drop in fuels consumption that affected Ipiranga. We also had in the second quarter the signing of the sale of Extrafarma, which generated asset impairment that negatively affected EBITDA by BRL 395 million. I remind you that this impairment does not have any cash impact. Our net income excluding the impairment effect was BRL 290 million, a BRL 240 million growth over the second quarter of 2020 as a result of an increased EBITDA and better financial results, especially on the back of BRL 73 million of tax credits and positive temporary effects of mark-to-market currency hedges, which partially offset the negative effect that we had in the first quarter of 2021 and this is recall. We recorded BRL 1.15 billion cash flow generated from operating activities in the second quarter compared with BRL 871 million in the second quarter of 2020. The improvement in cash generation was driven by the higher EBITDA despite greater investment in working capital on the back of higher prices of oil derivatives and raw materials that in 2020 were in a downward trajectory. Moving now to slide number 5, let's talk about the progress in liability management. We ended the quarter with a net debt of BRL 10.9 billion, which is BRL 1 billion less than that of March 2021. This reduction is explained by the increased operating cash generation that I just…

Marcelo Araujo

Analyst

Thank you, Rodrigo and good morning everyone. I made an effort here to summarize in a single slide which is slide 11 of this presentation, an update on the progress of the initiatives that we have to increase our competitiveness and profitability as we have been talking and as I presented in the Ultra Day in May. There we have defined four avenues for growth and profitability that summarize our strategic priorities. What I will do here is take some of business of these initiatives to those revenues and give you an overview of the contribution to the results we expect for the entire program. We selected the two most relevant initiatives to provide more details. The first one is what we call the regional integrated strategy. Of the main 12 logistics corridors in which we operate today and have already management committees integrate in commercial areas of our retail and business-to-business customers with the pricing trading logistic and operational structures for each corridor. So, this integration has allowed a decentralized management implementing strategies and decision in a much more agile way reflecting the dynamics of the market of each region. This is very relevant for us, since it is really the biggest change in Ipiranga's operating model in many years. What we see is, why are we advancing this redesign of the managing and operating systems to support the greater granularity of these corridors. We already expect to capture some quick wins in the coming months. In particular, we had already identified opportunities some logistical flows and the optimization of the take-or-pay contracts for storage and transport, which we expect those opportunities to have an impact of R$15 million to R$20 million in the second half of 2021. Here in August -- this month in August, we started our…

Operator

Operator

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Andre Hachem from Itau. You may proceed.

Andre Hachem

Analyst

Thank you for taking my question. I'd like to start my question talking to Marcelo. I think that considering the record this -- your historical series this was maybe the lowest result that we've seen. Could you please talk a little bit about the effects that pressured your margins? And especially talk about what you're seeing especially this quarter at issue. And what are the adjustments that you expect to see over the second -- or the first half of the year? It seems like the low end of your gain seems a little bit to -- a reach.

Marcelo Araujo

Analyst

Good morning. This is Marcelo Araujo speaking. Thank you for your question. I think that your question was very much on point and touched on the core of what our challenges are. So, I will try to go over every aspect of our vision for everyone listening. This was a very challenging quarter for our gross margins. And we saw a very distinct evolution from one quarter to the other. We had not foreseen such a contraction in our margins because of the pandemic lockdown. And this lasted a long time between March and April and this really pressured our margins especially in ethanol with a momentarily -- momentary drop in prices and also a decline in sales volumes. But right after that the market returned to its steadier levels. And also, we saw a number of restrictions with raw materials an unexpected surge in oil prices especially ethanol prices. And that made it very difficult for us to recover our regular margins. Consumer sales were very much pressured. And then in the second quarter they went up as did ethanol and diesel prices which went up over 75%. So, it was a massive impact on consumer sales. And even though our volumes went up again, the level of prices made it more challenging for us to recover our margins. But we were able to sustain our strategy, which we had already shared with you, which was to stand up and defend our market share, even though we had to sacrifice our margins to do that. That maybe prevented us from capturing the return in the PIS/COFINS contributions. We had some -- made some headway in the diesel market. But ultimately, our inventory levels were slightly below our average and we weren't able to enjoy that return of the PIS/COFINS…

Andre Hachem

Analyst

Yes. Your answer was very clear. Now, if you could please -- or if I could please ask my second question to Rodrigo. There was a hard cut in the -- last year about bottled gas, but the costs seem to be following a trend that affected the margins for Ultragaz. If you could talk a little bit about that pressured margin or those pressured margins and your expectations for the second half of the year that would be great.

Rodrigo Pizzinatto

Analyst

Of course. Well, what most affected Ultragaz's results in the second quarter were LGP costs and the passing on of prices. And with those adjustments that we considered for the second quarter, we expect to see our margins return to normal or to what we had been seeing at Ultragaz until then.

Andre Hachem

Analyst

Perfect. That was great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Gabriel Barra from Citibank.

Gabriel Barra

Analyst

Fred, Rodrigo, Marcelo, thank you for taking my question. I have two questions. The first one for Marcelo and this is actually some of a sort of a follow-up on Andre's question. I'd like to talk a little bit about the regulatory aspect. We saw something in regard to sales at service stations and also with regard to ethanol. And also how do you see these changes? And also growing a little bit broader this is sort of a wider scope than what was approved by Congress yesterday. So, I'd like to hear a little bit, how do you see this change and what impacts do you expect to see in the contractual relationships you have with your network. I think that would help us to understand that dynamic. If you could answer that first and then I have a second question. Thank you.

Marcelo Araujo

Analyst

Good morning, Gabriel. What you mentioned is very important even – because this is something, we've been talking about since last night this executive decree. Well, first of all, this executive order will not come into effect immediately. The one regarding direct sales of ethanol is expected to come into effect in a few months. And the one with regard to loyalty service stations which is very controversial has 90 days to be regulated. But it's important that, we make it clear. And the very executive order does it and its one paragraph states, it very clear that, this new provision will not – will have no prejudice to existing contract clauses in this clause or in this – on the state or for the future. So what the government is doing is proposing another alternative to the existing models, where you have maybe a commitment to a specific brand that you can maybe operate independently, charging what you want from customers, and taking responsibility for the quality of the product that you're delivering. So these two models coexist in the Brazilian market sort of 50-50. And both with regard to the quality of services, or with prices, this new alternative that the government is proposing, we believe is not – is neither relevant nor a priority for us right now. But I think it's valid to discuss it. We were a bit taken by surprise by it. And I think that, you must have heard what companies were saying as they came out and stood out to talk about it. Even with regard to the transparency, and the analysis of regulation impacts, as it should be in an industry that's so important for the economy as a whole, but we were very surprised by the executive order. It doesn't…

Gabriel Barra

Analyst

Yeah, that was very clear. Thank you. Now I have a second question. And perhaps Rodrigo could give us a little bit more detail. Looking at the production processes within the company, we saw the Extrafarma sale and then Extrafarma sale and Oxiteno. And perhaps the endpoint of this restructuring would be the rehab situation. And my question is with the postponements that we're seeing with the sale, what risk do you see to this sale process. Seeing as we are now approaching an election year, where uncertainties are greater, how do you see this scenario moving forward where the actual sale could not materialize? Would that be possible that rehab sales do not come through? What are the risks you see to this entire process?

Frederico Curado

Analyst

Hello, Gabriel, this is Fred. How are you? Well, I'm trying to give you a more encompassing answer. We are in this process which was also informing two processes one that's to inform and the other to rationalize this investment process. So talking about Ipiranga Ultragaz and Ultracargo. These are companies we have a lot of scale in and a great market share. And in the second stage of development, we plan to look into the consumer side with regard to AmPm. And we also want to move forward in terms of integration. And that's where the opportunity for a new refinery comes. This is an industry where we see the possibility of substantial returns on our investment. And we want something that makes sense evidently. So the consultation that Petrobras looked at gives this risk -- or return and risk balance. So what we have is an adequate deadline to finish negotiations which are ongoing. Still about the development of our portfolio, we are looking into the energy transition aspect both in terms of energy per se and infrastructure. Our LNG operation is something that we're trying to reshape and try to operate on that side of the industry as well. We have processes in place to deal with state and local distributors which is something we have made headway in recent months. And here we're talking about a much cleaner energy. And lastly with Ultracargo, we are looking into expanding their operations. This is a company that has potential to grow not only in what it already does, but we also have no haul and the expertise to operate in different sides of the market. So as with everything it's always a matter of risk and return opportunity or a risk/return balance, and it will continue to be so moving forward.

Gabriel Barra

Analyst

Great. Thank you, Fred.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Luiz Carvalho from the UBS Bank.

Luiz Carvalho

Analyst

Hello, Fred, Rodrigo, Marcelo. Thank you for taking my question. I'd like to go back a little bit. I was reading your earnings release yesterday and I was really impressed by the fact that the negative margin of BRL 52 per cubic meter at Ipiranga and for the last year the last time we saw something like this was 2019. And since then your volume specifically has grown to 35% nearly 40%. And we have had significant discussions, especially after the attempt to buy Alesat which the antitrust authority ultimately blocked. Talking about obviously the position of the company in terms of challenges for the competition and even looking at your last slide, I'm very struck by how late you were in a few steps. I think ever since Pedro Parente entered Petrobras in 2016 the import market is already moving forward. It's already thriving. And I'd like to understand -- perhaps this is a rhetorical question, but I'd like to understand with this BRL 200 to be gained next year or even BRL 400 in the next five years, obviously, the market has these figures in mind. And the ability for the company to deliver results of that level seems small. It's literally twice as much as what you've been able to deliver. So what I'd like to understand is what is going on? I mean, I'd like to hear an analysis of precisely where the company is losing or getting out of step so to speak, and how you plan to recover from that. So that's my first question. My second question has to do I think with the previous question with regard to refining. If you could give us a little bit more detail about where that negotiation is standing right now. Obviously, CADE gave you until October to finish. And what are the topics in terms of contract negotiations that you're maybe stuck in? And do you believe this negotiation will be concluded by October?

Marcelo Araujo

Analyst

Luiz, this is Marcelo speaking. Thank you very much for your question. This is obviously a topic that must be addressed in greater detail. But just to remember, we reviewed very thoroughly our strategy early this year -- late last year and early this year prioritizing those four avenues for growth that we talked about: competitiveness in our network, our cost competitiveness, and the recovery of our market shares, and also the preparation of the company for the future. So these were like the four main avenues for growth all of which are really priorities for us, so emancipating the IMPM. But I think the strategy the path is very clear for us. We have no major question. This is a plan that's been approved and is being monitored by our administrative board very thoroughly and very regularly. So we are already on track to reach those goals. Now you mentioned imports. We're not late in our import game. Our imports have been material and comparable to the levels of our competitors. In the second quarter of this year, we went back a little bit because of the regulatory issue, but we have already rebounded from that. The question is how much you're using that shorts in terms of supplies to be able to make better use of the volatility of this market and find opportunities to add more value to our brands. That's the trading initiative that I tried to speak in greater detail today. This even includes the new risk management policy that we have in place and the new system to implement those policies that have been detailed to our governing bodies. So we are already on track to all of that -- to doing all of that. And as I highlighted very clearly in the previous…

Luiz Carvalho

Analyst

Yes. Obviously -- I'm sure, I know that Fred wants to answer about refining, but I'd like to pose a third question even picking up on what Marcelo just said. Considering the recent changes in the company's Board, could you really please give us a little bit more color in terms of what the relationship looks like right now, especially considering the main challenges and the main points that have come up in terms of questions for you as executives? Thank you.

Frederico Curado

Analyst

Hi, Luiz. Well, let me talk about refining first. Of course, the pace is not as fast as what we expected. But negotiations by definition involve two parties. And obviously, what we expected is not exactly what is going on and what they expected. So we understand. And this is a complex negotiation. There are several contracts being looked at. And perhaps this is not going at the same pace as we wanted, but it's being conducted with a lot of respect and in a very clear way. So the risk/return balance that we established in our original proposal is something that we're trying to respect and also pursue, obviously. So, once again, the deadline that we established is absolutely adequate and sufficient for us to achieve that. But, once again, these are two parties negotiating, so it's not just up to us. Now, with regard to your other question, we have our committees in place and the structure that was created about two or three years ago with these committees, makes it a lot easier for everyone to do their jobs. So you have no relevant issue that is not really looked at in detail. So Marcelo mentioned a while ago that, something that everyone is looking at more closely right now is Ipiranga's performance. So the Board and the work that they're doing obviously reflects that as well. And their work will obviously depend on the ultimate earnings results. The relationship has been very positive. The adjustments that we made, not only the last one, but all of the adjustments that we've had, relied on very significant contributions from the Board. And that's something that should be strengthened over time.

Luiz Carvalho

Analyst

Thank you, guys. Thank you for answering.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Vicente Falanga from Bradesco BBI.

Vicente Falanga

Analyst

Good afternoon, guys. Well, I had two questions. First of all, do you have an estimate of the margins for Ipiranga going out of the quarter, or could you quantify how pressured the margins were for Ipiranga? And how much of that was caused by the change in prices by Petrobras? How it affected your industry targets and how it affected the company as a whole? And my second question, we've been reading recently that the Polimix Group is building a terminal to export oil and handle byproducts in the State of Espírito Santo as well. So I wanted to know whether that poses a business opportunity for you, especially with Ipiranga moving forward. Thank you.

Marcelo Araujo

Analyst

Hi, Vicente. Let me start with your first question with regard to our margins and the impact that they -- that this might have caused to prices. Well, it's important to have in mind that the industry where we operate, gasoline and ethanol, which is not -- there's no share in aviation fuel, for example. So it's just a share of the market as a whole. So our cycle during this quarter is one that started with the rise in ethanol prices, with good recovery and very substantial challenges in general, especially with ethanol and diesel. But we have seen a recovery to start and we expect it to be even more substantial moving forward, because of the volumes that we're seeing. When the volumes grow, the demand is naturally greater and we see this -- the cost in the market settling as well. So considering how much they've gone up 60%, 70% in the last few months, the challenge to pass that on to your consumers is very difficult without pressuring your entire value chain in the middle. So it's a great challenging, even to be consistent to our other strategy, which is to strengthen not only our relationship with our network, but also to recover the financial robustness of that network, which had been very much pressured, because of the pandemic in the past year. So a very important indicator for us, in this sense is the consistent decline in delinquency that we've seen since 2019. This is a very important indicator for us, to understand how the robustness -- the financial robustness of our network is doing. So how our partners, or how competitive our partners will be moving forward. So these are important indicators that give us an idea of what things are looking like. Perhaps,…

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

Yeah. Just adding to that Vicente, we are not looking in particular to those operations in Espírito Santo. We're looking more to the North and Northeast regions of the country, where we see a clearer increase in demand.

Vicente Falanga

Analyst

That was perfect. Thank you, Marcelo.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Bruno Montanari from Morgan Stanley.

Bruno Montanari

Analyst

Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my question. I just have some quick follow-ups. In terms of Ipiranga's competition, when you talk about defending the company's market share is that more about the peers -- your direct peers or your white lines? Now with regard to total purchases, I'd like to understand, whether it will be possible to pass on the entire cost to makeup for the price increases and how that will affect especially the bottled segment. And if you could talk a little bit about the refinery is it more about prices or in terms of contracts is it more about operational aspects? And I'd like to understand whether it has to do more with your assets or liabilities within your negotiations. Thank you.

Marcelo Araujo

Analyst

Hi Bruno, this is Marcelo. I'll start by answering the first part of your question. When we talk about defending our -- the market share of our company-operated stores, as you see in the document, it has to do with the volume that I sell with my Ipiranga brand. And the volume I sell with the -- what we call the white-flag brand. So these are sort of spot markets that, we operate in a few locations where we have greater competitive edge. And where we sell a little bit more. On average that's sort of 17% of our sales which go to these spot market. But that is all about competitiveness. And it depends on where we are. Because some places in Brazil, we do not have a large market share. So we can't grow our market share in these places, but we can have a good relationship with these nonproprietary brands. Now what we are most concerned with is the Ipiranga brand network. That's the network where we want to defend the market share from the entire market. We want the proprietary brand market to continue to grow which comes from the number of service stations and their productivity. And right now, we are very much focused on increasing productivity and sales volumes in each of our service stations. And that will only occur if they're more competitive where they're located. So when I talk about defending our market share with the Ipiranga brand stations, I'm talking about the network of service stations and defending their market share from the rest of the market.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

Good morning Bruno with regard to Ultragaz, you're right. The share of the increase makes it more difficult to pass on the costs. But what we expect for Q3 is to recover our margins with a more stable price level. Yes, the market is very nonelastic. But with regard to refining Bruno, unfortunately I can't give you more granular details. And I don't want to be elusive. I'd rather say that we are still negotiating. I mean if I go into greater details here, I will be crossing a line and I can't do that.

Bruno Montanari

Analyst

No that's fair enough. Thank you guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Regis Cardoso from Credit Suisse.

Regis Cardoso

Analyst

Good afternoon guys. Thank you for taking my question, Fred Rodrigo and Marcelo. This was definitely a challenging quarter. So I have two questions and they're more focused on the future than the past. So considering this very challenging quarter I'd like to know if you understand that the impacts were restricted to that second quarter or whether there will be some leftover challenges to the following quarters in terms of the trend of your margins considering the levels that we've seen? And being a little more clear in what I mean in terms of margin would you need to reach something like 90%, 95% EBITDA margins over the course of the third quarter to reach the target that you've established in your guidance? And I'd like to know if you've had -- or if you expect to have full recovery starting in Q3? And I'd like to hear from you whether that was a specific effect and restricted to that quarter or rather recovery will be slow and gradual. And if we should expect to see something like what we saw in Q2 and Q3 as well? Now my other question is with regard to the gains that you pointed out in your slides considering a challenge for the next year. And my question is what comparison basis should I adopt to understand those figures? Is it the current quarter normalized and whether I should make some sort of adjustment? For example, over the current basis there were maybe some nonrecurrent effects considering asset sales and tax impacts. I just wanted to understand what basis should I adopt to understand those figures. And if you could give me a little more details about where those gains are coming from whether it should be increments in your gross margins for example? Thank you.

Marcelo Araujo

Analyst

Hi Regis, this is Marcelo. Those were excellent points that you raised. Obviously in terms of our margin trend is something that we expect to continue trending positively. Obviously, we are not – we do not expect to see a great leap from one quarter to the other but the level of prices should be high considering the recovery in our margins at a time when demand is still recovering. It's not yet a very – a booming recovery so to speak because our economy is still recovering from the pandemic. But we expect margins to trend very positively. And we continue to believe the targets we set in our guidance. With regard to those R$200 million in gains that we expect that's good because perhaps it was not very clear. This is the expectation that we had for this year's results, considering the regular results of 2019, even because the results in 2020 were very much off the curve. So the methodology we use to calculate that was our own plans and the plans that sort of originated our guidance. So the two strategies I talked about here are the two that would have the greatest impacts on those results. Here we're talking about operational costs and margin impacts. If you look at the regional operations, that's where we see more opportunities to make good use of our infrastructure and to grow our business. So growing our business and growing our marketing are the strategies that we will adopt for those regions. And trading adds value to that and allows me to use all the volume from those transactions with Ipiranga to capture additional margins and enjoy the volatility in commodities using more sophisticated instruments to capture gains from that. Obviously, there's still room for gains but they should be marginal gains from now on moving forward. So we've already captured R$240 million with the company. It's in our SG&A. That's a very competitive level for today, even compared to our volumes in the past. So we are in – we are fastly moving in a trend of capturing value.

Regis Cardoso

Analyst

Thank you. Thank you for your answer. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Pedro Soares from BTG Pactual.

Pedro Soares

Analyst

Good afternoon, everyone. My first question has to do with your CapEx, specifically with Ipiranga. So currently your CapEx is 19% of what your guidance had which is significantly lower than your historical average for this time of the year. And the results in service stations was also the lowest since 2019. So if you could talk a little bit about how those factors are connected and whether you have any caution associated with those variables or any specific challenge with regard to that that would be very interesting information. And now going back a little to refinery and your price strategy moving forward. If you could give us a little bit of how you see these refineries fitting the development of those operations? And a third quick question. We usually ask this in every call. We've asked this in previous calls. If you could talk about service stations that still have to receive a brand you used to talk about 1.5% of them, I would like to know whether they're still at that level. Thank you.

Marcelo Araujo - Ipiranga

Analyst

Hi, Pedro. This is Marcelo, again. Thank you for your question. You touched on a very interesting point. And I think, it's important to make it clear that we have no reservation about being conservative in our CapEx applications and investments. This has to do with the moment that, we're living in we've talked about extensively here today. Our CapEx is low not, because the lack of branding stores or anything like that. It was actually lower – or actually higher than what we had forecasted for the first half of the year, which was over 100 stations. Also, our backlog is up over 200 stations. And our target is obviously to surpass 250 stations this year. And this is our actual plan. We no longer expect – and this should be very clear – to have a large number of service stations – of company-operated service stations. We are looking into stations of over 300 cubic meters and we will be replacing those with the sort of long tail of our network. And when we look into the future some of these smaller ones will have a greater challenge surviving in the long run. So we're absolutely on track with our budget and our plans in terms of operating those unbranded stations. Now, this does not reflect, especially on our CapEx, but we have negotiations that are very advanced. We have contracts that have already been signed. And some are expected to be signed in the second half of the year. So there's no major challenge. Obviously, the market is very competitive. It's not a bright blue sky, but we are not seeing any challenge in our ability either to attract or to conclude our negotiations with those stations. Quite the contrary, we are seeing something that we hadn't in a long time, which is a growing demand of entrepreneurs coming to us, to join our network which is very positive and shows how accurate and well guided our strategy is. Pedro, I think you mentioned something else about refining. Would you like to touch on that again and expand on your question?

Pedro Soares

Analyst

Yeah. Sure. It was about, how will it be possible to purchase refab and develop going from there?

Marcelo Araujo

Analyst

Yes, perfectly, obviously Pedro. Now, every change in commodities as is the case for us will benefit on the intelligence of the producer. So whether it's oil byproducts or anything else looking at how right the market is doing, it's very important for me to operate it. So we have to look at how prices – that commodity prices are trending in the market. So the intelligence of these two businesses really complement each other both on the demand side and the supply side is something that would help us really make the most of the change in prices. I hope, I was able to answer all of your questions, Pedro.

Pedro Soares

Analyst

Yes. That was perfect.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. With no further questions, I would now like to turn the floor back to Mr. Rodrigo for his closing remarks.

Rodrigo Pizzinatto

Analyst

Great. Thank you to everyone for your questions. If there is any question that was asked via webcast that we couldn't answer, our team will be answering those via e-mail. Thank you very much everyone.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's Ultrapar earnings conference call. You may now disconnect your lines. Have a great afternoon.