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U-Haul Holding Company (UHAL)

Q3 2014 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 6, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the AMERCO Third Quarter Fiscal 2014 Investors Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. Now I'd like to turn the conference over to Sebastian Reyes. Mr. Reyes, please go ahead.

Sebastien Reyes

Analyst

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Welcome to the AMERCO third quarter fiscal 2014 investor call. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that certain of the statements during this call, including without limitation, statements regarding the revenue, expenses, income and general growth of our business may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbor Provisions of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended; and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended. Forward-looking statements are inherently subject to risks and uncertainties, some of which cannot be predicted or quantified. Certain statements could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. For a discussion of the risks and uncertainties that may affect AMERCO's business and future operating results, please refer to our most recent Form 10-K filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and then any updates as may be provided in Form 10-Q for the quarter ended December 31, 2013. Joining me here today is Jason Berg, Chief Accounting Officer of AMERCO. I'll now turn the call over to Jason.

Jason A. Berg

Analyst

Thanks, Sebastian. Good morning. I'm speaking to you today from Phoenix, Arizona. Also on the call with me from the offices in Reno, Nevada are Gary Horton, AMERCO's Treasurer; and Rocky Wardrip, AMERCO's Assistant Treasurer. All 3 of us will be available for questions after these prepared remarks. Yesterday, we reported third quarter earnings of $2.67 a share, as compared with $1.89 per share for the same period in fiscal 2013. To try to minimize repetition during my prepared comments, all of my period-over-period comparisons will be for the third quarter of fiscal 2014 to the third quarter of fiscal 2013, unless specifically noted. Excluding our insurance subsidiaries, operating earnings at our core Moving and Storage operating segment increased $19 million to just over $92 million for the quarter. For the quarter, our U-Move revenues increased over $41 million to a total of $436 million. While we may be seeing some modest improvement in pricing in certain narrow market segments, our revenue growth is still coming overwhelmingly from transaction growth. As we've discussed for several quarters now, we are improving the customer experience. We're reinvesting in the equipment fleet as we've been adding trucks, trailers and towing devices, and I'll have a little bit more on this in a bit. We've not wavered from our focus on refining our Internet processes, and we are expanding the number of retail outlets from which customers can do business with us. In just the first 9 months of this year, we've opened 43 new company moving centers, 26 of those already have storage product up and running. Similarly, our independent dealer network continues to expand as well, adding over 700 locations in the last 9 months. More so than last year, our team in the field is having to deal with challenges presented…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And the first question comes from Jim Barrett from CLK & Associates. James Barrett - CL King & Associates, Inc., Research Division: This is Jim Barrett from CL King. Jason, you may have touched upon this in your summary, but when you step back, what have been the major factors that have changed, that has enabled the company, not only to make money in the December quarter, but to make a significant amount of money? I mean, I know prior to 2010, when you made $0.02 in the quarter, more often than not, it was a money-losing quarter. So, from your perspective, what has changed over the last several years?

Jason A. Berg

Analyst

Sure. What's been driving the operating margin? The operating earnings has been our ability to increase top line revenue. We've discussed for years, on these calls and also year investor conferences, the operating leverage built into the organization. And we've been successful for a number of reasons, and Joe talks about this every time. As long as we continue to serve the customer better, we think that there's untapped business out there that we can get, people who aren't using any rental equipment at all currently. If we can communicate our value proposition to them, we're going to have additional transactions. So back-office improvements, with our distribution and rate system, have put the equipment in the right places. Usually during this time of the year, there's an abundance of equipment. So typically you don't have a problem serving the customers that come to you. Although we still have the busy times at the end of the month, and we've been able to handle those a little bit better than we've handled them in the past. And I really think our ability to expand the number of locations, adding the convenience factor to customers, I can't help but think that, that has an enormous impact on the amount of business coming to us. James Barrett - CL King & Associates, Inc., Research Division: Okay. And you did mention that your business was up in January in spite of the weather. Has it been maintaining this trend that we've been seeing over the last several quarters, in terms of transaction growth?

Jason A. Berg

Analyst

Yes. I'm not going to get into the details of that other than to say that we have been dealing with some of the challenges presented by the weather. But we have still been able to keep a positive trend in revenues so far in the first 30 days.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Ian Gilson from Zacks Investment Research.

Ian T. Gilson - Zacks Investment Research Inc.

Analyst

I noticed that you changed the data for the storage facilities from the way it was presented in prior quarters. I presume that prior quarters included the managed-but-not-owned facilities. Or what is the change there?

Jason A. Berg

Analyst

Yes. In the press release disclosure we have been presenting both owned and managed and now we've limited our disclosure to just the owned facilities. But I'd be more than happy to answer any questions that you might have about the total portfolio.

Ian T. Gilson - Zacks Investment Research Inc.

Analyst

Okay. The managed portion does not seem to have grown very much. Is that basically because of investment decisions by third parties or are they also self-managing some of those facilities?

Jason A. Berg

Analyst

Yes. The position that we're in today, at AMERCO, is that we have enough capital to grow the storage business on our own without having to resort to any off-balance sheet arrangements. So the vast majority of the growth in self-storage is taking place on balance sheet at AMERCO. The third-party facilities that we managed, I think, in the last couple of years, have opened a handful. I mean, I think this year maybe 1 or 2 in the whole 9 months. So the vast majority of the growth, almost all of it is taking place at U-Haul.

Ian T. Gilson - Zacks Investment Research Inc.

Analyst

Okay. And going back a few years, the casualty insurance business builds up its reserve base and took charges against earnings to cover liabilities of the prior insurance. Are those working out? How much of a tail do we have left?

Jason A. Berg

Analyst

Sure. The reserve increase that you're referencing took place at Repwest and it was somewhere in the magnitude of $50 million or so, give or take. And that was covering what we refer to as excess workers' comp reinsurance treaties, where we were to reinsure for workers' compensation claims after they cleared a certain self-retention level. At that point in time, when we took that charge, we noted that we tried to be as conservative as we could in recording that. And so far now, a couple of years after the fact, it looks like our estimates are still holding up and we haven't had to make any significant adjustments to those reserves. So, a couple years out, it looks positive. But those claims can last 30 years. So we're attempting to work those down as fast as we can through settlements or just managing those claims, but we still have a long way to go.

Ian T. Gilson - Zacks Investment Research Inc.

Analyst

What's the probability of reversing some of those charges and actually generating positive income?

Jason A. Berg

Analyst

If that was to take place, I would think that it would be several years out because some key assumptions would have to change from what we're seeing today. So I'm just not seeing that today. But without getting into details -- I mean, for a business like this, where you're paying people, a continuing payment over time because they're sick. Unfortunate things would have happen to them for us to have to release reserves. So I don't think we're planning on that happening. We're planning on the worst case scenario. And if something works out a little bit better on the next 10 or 15 years, we might see some of that come back.

Ian T. Gilson - Zacks Investment Research Inc.

Analyst

Okay. And as you look at the fourth quarter and the acquisition of equipment, how does it look between leasing and borrowing and buying at this point in time?

Jason A. Berg

Analyst

Rocky, do you want to cover that question?

Sebastien Reyes

Analyst

Rocky's here. He'll take that.

Rocky D. Wardrip

Analyst

Everything that we're doing right now will either be in a by-scenario or if we do a lease it'll be a capital lease because we need to retain the tax benefit associated with those acquisitions just because of our level of earnings.

Ian T. Gilson - Zacks Investment Research Inc.

Analyst

So you're looking at depreciation as a positive factor in that decision?

Rocky D. Wardrip

Analyst

Yes. The maker's depreciation. We're paying a little bit of a price on the tax position right now because of the government subsidies, effectively, during the '08, '09, '10 period that allow for accelerated write-offs. So we're trying to generate as much tax shield as we can through the acquisition of the equipment.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Jamie Wilen from Wilen Management.

James R. Wilen - Wilen Investment Management Corp.

Analyst

A couple of questions. In the revenue growth, you say most of it was transaction growth. Can you kind of give us a ballpark percentage how much was transaction and how much was pricing?

Jason A. Berg

Analyst

I would say the transaction growth is almost on top of the revenue growth percentage. So it's very similar.

James R. Wilen - Wilen Investment Management Corp.

Analyst

And as you've netted out how much your capital expenditures are, purchases versus sales, how much has your fleet actually grown this year net-net? Are you just replacing what has been aged or is there an upgrade in the fleet?

Jason A. Berg

Analyst

We've been growing the fleet this year. So, as far as a total number -- outside the annual reporting, we don't report on actual fleet numbers, but I would say that we're up 7,000 to 8,000 units compared to last year.

James R. Wilen - Wilen Investment Management Corp.

Analyst

Okay, that's on a base of?

Jason A. Berg

Analyst

I think our last reported truck count was 112,000.

James R. Wilen - Wilen Investment Management Corp.

Analyst

And let's see, a couple -- in the property and casualty segment you are narrowing a very decent return. Is there any reason that your profitability has increased so much in that area?

Jason A. Berg

Analyst

Well, I spoke to Ian about the excess workers' comp charge here, just the last question. And what was happening with that segment several years ago was that we were kind of bleeding in development every year, and we finally just did a complete review of that and took one large adjustment to it. So we haven't had those kind of incremental year-over-year charges that we were seeing before. So that's kind of been taken care of and it looks like we may have hit the mark on the right reserve number there. At least what we know today. And then on top of that, Repwest, all of their new business related to our Moving and Storage business. So it's selling additional protection packages associated with equipment rentals or tenant insurance with our storage product. And as our business trends up, then their business will generally trend up right along with it. So I think it's a combination of those 2 things has led to the improved earnings at Repwest.

James R. Wilen - Wilen Investment Management Corp.

Analyst

Okay. You're doing such an incredible job but the only problem I see you having, moving forward, is how to manage your capital structure. A huge amount of cash from your balance sheet and huge cash flow. Can you talk a little bit about your plans for altering the capital structure, whether it's the debt that you have, buying back shares, instituting a regular dividend, et cetera?

Jason A. Berg

Analyst

The last couple of calls, Joe has alluded to this, and that is our July 2015 senior mortgage maturity, which is kind of our last big maturity bubble. Joe and the board have taken a cautious tone in our capital structure until we work our way through that. And Gary, he's been working his plan on refinancing that and continues to move ahead with that. And I think, after that point, there's going to be hard look at the capital structure. We're certainly running with more cash and availability now than we ever have. I know Rocky and Gary have managed the cash operation of this company with a fraction of what we have today and we can do just fine with that. So I still think that, that will probably be 1.5 years out from any significant changes, and it might be a little bit after that, if we kind of see the lay of the land. But that's the best answer I can give you today.

James R. Wilen - Wilen Investment Management Corp.

Analyst

What's preventing you from refinancing those mortgages now?

Jason A. Berg

Analyst

Gary, do you want to speak to that?

Gary B. Horton

Analyst

With a lot of fixed rate debt, you end up with prepayment as very large. And when we look at where your current 1-year treasuries are versus what we financed at, it's a fairly large hit. And what we're basically doing is managing that and working it down. I think next year, about this time, there'll be a lot of different things that we have done, as far as refinancing and paying down the debt. And we have been using a lot of the cash to go ahead and pay for our new acquisition of fleet and of property. So we've basically been going pretty much unencumbered on a great deal of the trucks and of the storage.

James R. Wilen - Wilen Investment Management Corp.

Analyst

Okay. And how much of that is coming due in March 2015?

Rocky D. Wardrip

Analyst

Potentially July of 2015. There's 2 CMBS maturities that are roughly around $366 million if they go to full maturity. As Gary mentioned, we are trying to refinance those, and we'll do that in advance and try to minimize the fees. And there's also about a 3-month window, actually a 6-month window on those, where there would be no other fees [ph] too.

James R. Wilen - Wilen Investment Management Corp.

Analyst

So you're $300-and-so-million of mortgage debt, and given you've got $600 million of cash on the balance sheet, that's kind of defining how you're going. It seems like a small amount to have that shape your capital structure so far into the future.

Rocky D. Wardrip

Analyst

Well, there are other maturities in addition to those amounts that are maturing on that particular day. I believe the total maturities that year are in excess of $500 million.

James R. Wilen - Wilen Investment Management Corp.

Analyst

Okay. And lastly, I know this before but any commentary on changing the name to U-Haul? Or given that you rate $220 stock split with only 20 million shares outstanding, doing a 4- or 5-for-1 stock split to make it an even more publicly traded company both in terms of name recognition and in terms of trading availability.

Jason A. Berg

Analyst

On both of those issues, they've been discussed. The stock split more so than the name change. I think we have fairly clear direction, internally, on the stock split that I wouldn't be looking forward to that happening in the near term. And then on the name changes, we just haven't taken any action on that yet either, but it's not something that we've completely dismissed yet.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And there are no more questions at the present time, so I would like to turn the call back over to management for any closing comments.

Jason A. Berg

Analyst

I'd like to thank everyone for your interest in and support of AMERCO, and look forward to speaking to you again during our next earnings call, which is going to take place than last week of May. It's going to be about 1 week, 1.5 weeks earlier than it normally is. During that call, we will cover our fourth quarter and annual results. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect. Have a nice day.