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United Natural Foods, Inc. (UNFI)

Q1 2019 Earnings Call· Fri, Dec 7, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Jesse and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the UNFI First Quarter Fiscal 2019 Earnings Call. [Operator instructions] Thank you. Steve Bloomquist, Vice President of Investor Relations, you may begin your conference.

Steve Bloomquist

Analyst

Thank you, Jesse and good evening everyone. Thank you for joining us on our first quarter fiscal 2019 earnings conference call. We appreciate everyone’s flexibility since we moved our call from yesterday to today in recognition of the financial markets being closed to honor former President George H. W. Bush. By now, you should have received a copy of the earnings release issued this afternoon. Press release, webcast and a supplemental slide deck are available under the Investors section of the company’s website at www.unfi.com. Joining me for today’s call are Steve Spinner, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Sean Griffin, the CEO of SUPERVALU; Mike Zechmeister, our Chief Financial Officer; and Chris Testa, President of UNFI. Steve, Sean and Mike will provide a business update, speak about our performance in the quarter and address our fiscal ‘19 outlook for the combined company. We will then take your questions after management’s prepared remarks. Please limit your questions to one question with one follow-up. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that comments made by management during today’s call may contain forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements include plans, expectations, estimates and projections that might involve significant risks and uncertainties. These risks are discussed in the company’s earnings release and SEC filings. Actual results may differ materially from the results discussed in these forward-looking statements. And lastly, I would like to point out that during today’s call, management will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP financial measures are included in the schedules included in our press release. With that, I will turn the call over to Steve.

Steve Spinner

Analyst

Thank you, Steve. Good evening, everyone and thank you for joining our first quarter earnings call. I will start with some comments on the quarter and our new combined fiscal 2019 outlook for the completion of the SUPERVALU acquisition, which replaces our original UNFI standalone guidance. Sean will then provide some remarks about SUPERVALU, including our integration process. Mike will then go over some more details on our financials and outlook, which as mentioned now reflects the combined company, UNFI and SUPERVALU. This acquisition was and is all about the creation of value. We are transforming the way in which food is supplied throughout North America through synergy, scale, services, products, and people, providing better food for a better future. While we are clearly disappointed by the near-term results in SUPERVALU, we started this process with a viewpoint that in order to build the business for the future and to create considerable value for our constituents, UNFI would serve its shareholders over the long-term by becoming the premier wholesaler of products and services throughout North America. This thesis has not changed. In fact, as we have begun to integrate, our outlook for the combination is stronger than ever. We have no doubt that the combination of UNFI and SUPERVALU will translate into more significant value for shareholders than UNFI as a standalone company over time. I do want to recognize the incredible work done by our leadership team and all of the associates of UNFI and SUPERVALU. We worked diligently to complete the acquisition of SUPERVALU, something we accomplished 1 week prior to the end of our first quarter. There is a heightened level of excitement and energy now that we have combined the two organizations, and together we are transforming food across North America as the premier wholesaler of…

Sean Griffin

Analyst

Great. Thank you, Steve and good evening everyone. Today marks the 44th day that I have been leading SUPERVALU and there has been a lot going on as we take the initial steps toward delivering our future. October 22, 2018 was truly a transformational day in our company’s history. However, as Steve pointed out, it has not come without its challenges, which I will get to momentarily. Much of my time has been focused on three of our key constituencies, our associates, our customers and our suppliers. Since the deal closed, I visited 15 SUPERVALU distribution centers and regional offices and have met with thousands of our associates to welcome them to our new company. This time has given me a jumpstart on the pulse of our people and our business. It has been extremely beneficial to me in seeing, hearing and feeling how our associates are thinking about our future. It’s been encouraging to see the engagement and excitement as our team can clearly see the benefits and the opportunities this combination creates for them and their families. I have also had the opportunity and the pleasure to meet with many of our customers. We have articulated our vision for the new UNFI and gathered valuable feedback on how we can win together in the future. Our customers are truly excited about our new company and their newly created ability to purchase a wider variety of products and services from one partner. Scale wins and our customers certainly understand how our consolidated company can bring value to our relationship. Over the last several days, I have also met with several significant suppliers to our company. Every one of our supplier partners and in this instance, I am describing big CPG here, get why we did this deal and the…

Mike Zechmeister

Analyst

Thank you, Sean and good evening everybody. Let me start by echoing the prior sentiments on how exciting it is to be part of the food distribution transformation that we have in front of us. It’s a momentous time in our company’s history and we have an opportunity to deliver incredible results. Our focus remains on value creation by delivering our synergy targets through effective integration actions. For fiscal 2019, while we expected some of the core business softness at SUPERVALU, the downside has been much greater than we anticipated. That said, synergies continue to be the key to driving value in the combined companies and we are on track to deliver our targets. This evening, I will provide additional detail on the quarter, talk about the financing of SUPERVALU acquisition and end with comments on the full fiscal year. Let’s start with our fiscal ‘19 first quarter results, which includes 6 days of the SUPERVALU operating results and the full impact on the balance sheet. Q1 net sales were $2.87 billion, an increase of 16.7% or approximately $411 million compared to Q1 last year. Excluding approximately $224 million net sales from SUPERVALU, net sales increased 7.6% compared to Q1 last year. We experienced modest inflation during the quarter at approximately 71 basis points, which makes Q1 the 10th consecutive quarter of either deflation or modest inflation. Our 10-year average inflation is approximately 1.9% per year. The lack of inflation continues to be a headwind to both top and bottom line results. From a channel perspective, first quarter supernatural net sales grew 20.4% over Q1 last year and represented about 35.8% of total net sales. The Independent channel net sales grew 4.4% and represented approximately 23% of total net sales. Supermarket channel net sales increased 0.6% versus Q1 last year…

Steve Spinner

Analyst

Thanks Mike. As you can sense, there is a lot of enthusiasm at UNFI, which is shared by our customers and suppliers. And simply put, no one is better positioned to feed today’s consumer than UNFI. And we know from talking to our customers that they want to buy more goods from fewer suppliers and we are now the wholesaler that offers them the widest variety of products from natural and organic to conventional, including meat and produce to private labels, specialty and multicultural. Our merchandise selection is complemented by our industry leading services business that helps customers lower their cost on a wide range of services needed to run their business. If they want it, we are the wholesaler that has it. We certainly have some near-term headwinds and we know there is no silver bullet that can turn it in the short run. We are acutely aware of the need to balance running the business with combining the businesses and we are committed to doing them both concurrently. I am confident in our team and the leadership at UNFI that has continually delivered on our strategies. We will move with urgency and believe that we will make the decisions that are necessary and thus for the long-term success of our business and our shareholders to position UNFI as the premier food wholesaler in North America. By providing better food choices, we will help create a better future. With that, we are ready to take your questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator instructions] Your first question comes from John Heinbockel with Guggenheim Securities. Your line is open.

John Heinbockel

Analyst

So Steve, let me start, the UNFI outlook EBITDA or EBITDA outlook that is unchanged. Is that correct? And I think you had $45 million of synergy built into the prior outlook, is it still – is that still the number?

Steve Spinner

Analyst

Yes. So John, on the UNFI side for the full year, we are still pretty confident with where the original guidance that we provided fit, no real change. That’s a little bit soft on the top line, but bottom line is in good shape, and I will turn it over to Mike and he can talk to you about the synergies.

Mike Zechmeister

Analyst

Yes. John, on the synergies, you will recall that back in September, what we said was more than $185 million of cost synergies as our long-term run-rate synergies in year four. We went on then to say that for year one, we would expect to get 25% of that $185 million, and now with the partial year and call it the 41 of 53 weeks, about 77%, you could calculate that to be an implied synergy in fiscal ‘19 of about $36 million.

John Heinbockel

Analyst

Alright. Then just one quick follow-up, Steve, when you think about the customer base of SUPERVALU, right and whether there is some leakage there, I think about Fresh Market closing some locations. How much more risk do you think there is to the top line of erosion in some of the SUPERVALU’s customer base that they picked up in recent years?

Steve Spinner

Analyst

Yes. I mean, obviously, the chain that you mentioned had some store closures, and that’s certainly embedded in the results. But I think what we are hearing, and I will certainly defer this to Sean in a second, but what we are hearing from the customers is the acquisition does bring some stability. As you know, SUPERVALU had a lot of things going on before we acquired them. And so, there certainly was a lot of noise within the company, a lot of noise within the customer base, a lot of noise within the supplier base. The UNFI acquisition brings a lot of stability to that. And so, the customers and the suppliers are all telling us really, really compelling, good things about what’s going to happen in the future. So, I certainly feel good about kind of the numbers that we’re guiding towards the back half of the year. Sean?

Sean Griffin

Analyst

Yes. I would just say, John, that in addition, both companies have had historically really phenomenally high retention rates. We – on the SUPERVALU side, we haven’t lost any customers specifically. Although to your point, we have had some store closings, very difficult to look ahead and sort of forecast what that might look like in terms of any closures. But there’s -- one other factor here is that, since the announcement of the deal, since the closing of the deal and now we’re sort of moving forward, it’s really hard to engage new customers, if you will. Any substantially new customers would be reticent to engage thinking about integration and so on and so forth, so we think that from a selling perspective that we’ve run through that. That has been part of the last 6 months at SUPERVALU. And of course, now we’re pivoting to playing offense, if you will, and we expect to have some benefits of that in the remaining part of the year.

Steve Spinner

Analyst

And I would just follow it up with the SUPERVALU customers are just desperate for the UNFI product offering. And so we’re going to figure out a way to get those products into those DCs. And number two, SUPERVALU when we acquired them was going through three, what I would call, pretty significant DC integrations. And obviously, when you’re in the middle of an integration, and I’m talking about Florida and the Pacific Northwest and in Pennsylvania, it’s tough to get sales growth when you’re in the throes of it, and we’ve got a lot of resources in those buildings, getting some stability and already starting to see some positive results.

John Heinbockel

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Edward Kelly with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Edward Kelly

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Yes. Hi, guys, good afternoon.

Steve Spinner

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Hi, Ed.

Edward Kelly

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Could you talk about the retail business and maybe just provide an update on the potential sale? How is interest, can you do this in a value accretive way? And then as we think about the $45 million, is this a stable business right now? And then how does that number change if you sell it to someone who does not sign a wholesale contract?

Steve Spinner

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Sure, I’ll take that one. So I’m really optimistic about where we are with retail. We worked really hard on selling Hornbacher’s to an existing, a really good existing SUPERVALU and UNFI customer. And so, in that particular sale, obviously, we had a great economic event and we signed long-term supply agreements both at Coborn’s and Hornbacher’s. And so, in the Shoppers banner in the East, we said in the beginning that if we could sell it with a supply agreement, we would. If we can’t, then we won’t because that’s one market where we just desperately need the capacity, because all of the legacy DCs in that market are just out of space. And so, SUPERVALU has a big facility, an underutilized facility in Mechanicsville, Virginia. And so, as the Shoppers are sold and we obviously make room for some other capacity, we can divert from York, Pennsylvania; Howell, New Jersey; Richburg, South Carolina, and fill that facility pretty quickly. So, we are deep in the process at Shoppers, and again, I’m optimistic. And then on the remaining banners which is Cub, we’ll take our time. Cub is a great, great retail banner, number 1 market share in Minneapolis. And again, in that particular case, we certainly will look to sell Cub with a supply agreement and to the right supplier or to the right investor in that market. But generally, I feel pretty good about where we are in selling the retail banners.

Edward Kelly

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Is there risk to the $45 million if that changes or in the underlying performance of the business, or do you feel pretty good about that number?

Steve Spinner

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

No, I feel really good about that number.

Edward Kelly

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Okay. And then just a question on the free cash flow, can you just maybe talk about what you’re expecting from a free cash-flow perspective this year and next year just given all the integration costs and the headwinds that you mentioned? And then, what’s the CapEx outlook going to be, the working capital demand? I’m just trying to understand the extent to which you’re going to be able to pay down debt in the next couple of years?

Mike Zechmeister

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Yes, hi, Ed, this is Mike. That’s a good question. And we’ve got a lot of integration work stream planning and initiatives going on that can move that number around, and so we didn’t provide that guidance today. We’ll come back on January 16 and provide more color around that. But as you know with this business, there are lot of moving parts and with this integration, that increases the number of moving parts. And so to be – we just want to make sure we give you the right color on that.

Edward Kelly

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Okay. And then just, this is the last question for you related to the integration of the assets. Could you maybe talk a little bit about the timing of the individual steps? And for investors that are sitting here worried about the integration and the execution risk associated with that, what are the key milestones that we should really be keeping an eye out for here?

Steve Spinner

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Well, I think Sean covered some of the major milestones in his script. And we certainly look at the synergy as it relates to costs, first and foremost, and network redesign as well. Obviously, selling retail is also a big part of the synergy, but not part of the overall synergy calculation. So I think really, the first step is labor.

Sean Griffin

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Yes. I mean, I would – Steve, if I may.

Steve Spinner

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Sure.

Sean Griffin

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

I would not necessarily time bound how we’re proceeding and communicating milestones per se. But we’ve talked about around the $185 million is that it’s approximately 66% SG&A cost-out and 34% operationally cost-out. Inside of that 34% is distribution center consolidation. I’ve communicated and as you know, the network is large. It’s 60 distribution centers. We’re doing the work now to understand from an inventory perspective, in a model perspective, whether 60 is the right number. Frankly, we’re quite certain it is not the right number. But whether that number is 60 or 55, and frankly, 3 years from now, it may be something greater than 60. But we’re running the models, we’re doing the work, we’re phasing the appropriate consolidation and operational benefits, certainly, I’m really not going to go any further than that on this call. And I’ll add some more information and provide some more color on the 16th of January.

Steve Spinner

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

And just for perspective, we have a significant heavily resourced internal team that sole focus is synergy and integration. They meet regularly. We have very specific milestones, and I’m not worried about hitting the very specific synergy targets that we’ve outlined.

Edward Kelly

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Great. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Christopher Mandeville with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Christopher Mandeville

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Hey, good afternoon, guys. Mike, I may have just missed it, but can you just walk us through again the math in getting to the adjusted EBITDA, how much of that was actually related to the SUPERVALU wholesale business?

Mike Zechmeister

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Yes. I kind of – I knew that was going to be a question out there, and so I tried to walk you from the first full-year guidance, which is what we provided back in September. And if you remember, that was $655 million to $675 million. And again, that was for the first full-year. And so now with the SUPERVALU acquisition behind us, we’ve got a partial year. And so if you take, if you want to start with the midpoint of that guidance, that’s $665 million. And so if you want to get to our current guidance, you add $58 million for the exclusion of share-based comp, you add $45 million for the inclusion of the discontinued operations that we talked about. You subtract $78 million for the partial year of SUPERVALU adjusted EBITDA, and then you subtract $32.5 million, and that gets you to the midpoint of our new guidance of $657.5 million. And that last $32.5 million was really the business softness that we said is primarily driven by the wholesale business of SUPERVALU.

Christopher Mandeville

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Okay. I appreciate that review. And then just a follow-up here. I think, Steve, you had referenced in kind of your initial commentary that there was maybe the idea of considering selling additional assets to accelerate debt pay-down. Was that in regards to something outside of the retail business that you’re already pursuing to sell? And if so, what might that be?

Steve Spinner

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Yes. So obviously, we are looking at, for example, real estate. We acquired quite a bit of real estate with SUPERVALU, not to mention some other assets that we own. And so I think the point that I was trying to make is, where we can create value and it’s in the best interest of the company long-term, then we will look to sell those assets in order to pay down the debt sooner.

Christopher Mandeville

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Okay. So that’s not necessarily saying something like Woodstock, for example, would be up for it to pay [ph]?

Steve Spinner

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Yes. Again, holistically, we’re going to look at those assets within the UNFI system, and if it makes sense for us to monetize them, then we will.

Christopher Mandeville

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Okay. Thank you.

Steve Spinner

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Whether it’s retail or whether it’s some other banner that UNFI owns, where it makes sense, where the market is right, I think the point is we don’t – we’re not going to be pigeonholed to just looking at things that we historically have looked at. We’re going to make sure that we pay down this debt in a very disciplined way.

Mike Zechmeister

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

We’ve talked a lot about our leverage and we’re committed to reducing that leverage, and so we’re looking at opportunities to bring value in, and I think that’s what Steve is talking about.

Christopher Mandeville

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Got it. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Vincent Sinisi from Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Vincent Sinisi

Analyst

Hey, great. Good evening, guys. Thanks very much for taking my question. Just wanted to go back to one of your early on comments in the prepared remarks. It seems like in terms of the reception that you’ve been getting, it seems like things so far, it’s early, of course, but as you mentioned, kind of suppliers, as well as customers seem to be kind of open to the combined company potential, of course. But you did mention early on that you’re continuing to have some out-of-stock issues, as well as kind of that continued supplier promotional spending going down. So I just want to get more of your basic thoughts around that. Do you see any changes? How have maybe some of those conversations with suppliers been going with regard to those two items and just kind of thoughts going forward?

Steve Spinner

Analyst

So I’ll try to answer the first part. So I think what we were trying to communicate is that the suppliers’ ability to fill our demand actually got quite worse in the quarter versus the same period the year before. So you might ask, well, why is it getting worse? So everybody’s interests are aligned, right? Suppliers want to have products and we want to have products to selling. What we think is happening is a couple of things: One, a lot of the products that are historically packed in natural and organic are co-packed, and in other words, they don’t make it themselves, they contract with others to make it. Well, there’s a limited number of co-packers and our view is that the co-packers are just adding capacity. They can’t produce much more than what they’re currently making until they add more lines, more buildings, more plants, more manufacturing. And we’re just at a point where there’s just more demand than there is capacity to meet it. I think it’s a temporary headwind, but we’ve been facing it for a while and it got meaningfully worse. Secondly, and I said this I think in my remarks, there’s no price elasticity at retail. In other words, the retailers are saying to the big manufacturers, don’t you dare pass through any price increases because we can’t pass it through, which means we have to eat it. And that’s the biggest primary driver of the reduction in promotional spend because if the manufacturers can’t pass through the price increases, then they’re just going to reduce the promo spend to make sure that they remain whole. So we’re just in a little bit of a tug of war that will pass and we certainly hope it passes soon, but it hasn’t. Does that help explain your question or answer your question?

Vincent Sinisi

Analyst

Yes, Steve. No, that’s helpful. That definitely helps to get at it. And maybe just as a follow-up, you’re a month and a half or so at least as of the quarter end into the integration. Just like maybe kind of the most pleasant as well as unpleasant surprises, if you will, since kind of really having everything open to you guys post the deal closing, what would you say kind of on each of those ends?

Steve Spinner

Analyst

Well, I mean, certainly, the worst is the general condition of where the numbers are coming in. I mean, that was a bit of a surprise to us. But we’re getting our head around it. It is what it is. The deal pieces still works, the economics still works, and we’ll fix it. I think the best surprise is the quality of the people, number one. We’ve inherited some – just some terrific, very dedicated people that suppliers and customers and all of our existing UNFI departments have really come to respect. And I think the general commentary from both the customers and the suppliers has been incredibly good. And I think Sean could give you some more specific color on that.

Sean Griffin

Analyst

Yes. I mean to me, Steve, it’s the latter in terms of when you get into a quiet space with a customer and you can discuss how our company will look going forward and positioning UNFI and vis-a-vis our retailer in a position to compete, win in every department in a retail store, that scale can really go to work in a positive way for a customer. And when you see and you get – and the – and if you will, the thesis is validated in these conversations by the customer. Well, that buoys us that we’ve done the right thing here and our customers are supporting. Same conversations with suppliers in terms of the benefits to move natural organic into what we believe are underserved, independent supermarkets that had – really have had limited or no access to the incredible brands and the strength of UNFI’s better-for-you assortment. That indexes really well for CPGs that certainly have spent the last 5, 7, 10, 3 years acquiring natural organic brands. And so one step further is as companies out there, CPG companies work to put their supply chain and manufacturing prowess to work against these natural organic better-for-you brands, the cost of these products and the price to consumers are narrowed between a conventional cereal or cookie, if you will, to a natural product, and that is going to attract more consumers. And that is what these CPG firms and our suppliers are all about. And so it’s a tremendous alignment around growth, but it takes time. And they get it and we get it, but it’s a longer-term play in vision versus this quarter or next.

Steve Spinner

Analyst

As an example, we talk a lot about how scale drives today with retailers. 5 years ago, you could argue that a retailer might buy from 10, 15, 20 different wholesalers, whether it be specific by product or just general distributors. Today, the retailers want to buy as much as they possibly can from as few as they possibly can, because the economics of delivery are such that the more you can add into the delivery system, the lower the price. When you think about building out the store, which we’ve talked about for a long time, we now do multiple billions of dollars in conventional and organic produce. We now do multiple billions of dollars in conventional and better-for-you protein. So we have effectively fully built out the store, which enables us to go to a retailer across conventional or independent or natural and provide them with just about every single item they need to put in their store. On the natural side, we’ve also talked a lot about the cross-over consumer, the fact that a lot of consumers who generally eat with clean ingredients also buy Tide in Great Northern and Charmin. And so I think we’re starting to see a trend of more and more of the more kind of natural retailers putting a lot of pressure on us to carry some of the more conventional SKUs. And this gives us the ability to do it in a really good and really economic way.

Vincent Sinisi

Analyst

Okay. That’s super helpful to hear your thoughts kind of flushed out there. So good luck, fellows and we look forward to hearing more next month at the Investor Day.

Steve Spinner

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Karen Short from Barclays. Your line is open.

Renato Basanta

Analyst

Hi, this is actually Renato Basanta on for Karen. Thanks for taking my questions. Just on the guidance, a good full year color, but can you just give us a better sense of how we should think about EBITDA by quarter just the puts and takes for 2Q through 4Q? And then if there is just anything from a modeling perspective on why some quarters might be weaker than others?

Mike Zechmeister

Analyst

Yes, Renato, this is Mike. We have never broken out quarterly guidance. And I would suggest that given all the moving pieces that we have here, this wouldn’t be a good time to start with that. There is a little bit of seasonality on each business that you can observe if you go back and look at history. For example, on legacy UNFI, our third quarter tends to be our strongest quarter. Our second quarter tends to be our weakest. It’s a little different at SUPERVALU, but we weren’t intending on providing additional guidance on the EBITDA by quarter.

Renato Basanta

Analyst

Okay. And then I guess just to follow-up on the synergies, can you talk a little bit about what you consider to be the biggest risk to achieving those and just how you are sort of thinking about mitigating those risks?

Sean Griffin

Analyst

Yes. I mean, Renato, I kind of would say that the most significant risk is timing. We feel like we have done a really good job at identifying and validating from a bottoms-up where the opportunities lie, but we are running this business and it is complex. And to a very large extent, we are talking about integrating four companies into one as I previously commented on. So, it’s not really the size of the opportunity or the value of the synergies so much as assuring that we are appropriately timing and running frankly fast enough that we are getting the value of the phasing over the next 4 years that we have communicated. So, the price is very much in place. It’s the timing. So that’s how I would think about risk.

Renato Basanta

Analyst

Okay. And if I could just sneak one more in, can you just tell us how much of the combined revenues will be up for contract renewal in year one?

Steve Spinner

Analyst

Yes. I don’t think that we could provide that. We don’t know. We don’t have that with us. But it’s not material, I can tell you that.

Renato Basanta

Analyst

Okay. Alright, thanks. Best of luck.

Steve Spinner

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Scott Mushkin from Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Paul Kearney

Analyst

Hey, guys. This is Paul Kearney on for Scott. Thanks for taking my question.

Steve Spinner

Analyst

Hey, Paul.

Paul Kearney

Analyst

I guess two-part question. Can you tell us what your expectations are for profitability on the legacy UNFI business this year, excluding SVU? And then also supermarket channel growth was 60 basis points. Are you expecting this business to pickup during the year? Thanks.

Steve Spinner

Analyst

Yes. So we touched on the UNFI numbers for this year earlier and we expect that the initial full year guidance that we provided is still our full year guidance. So top line will be a little bit softer, but the guidance that we provided on the bottom line is still the guidance that’s in effect. As it relates to the supermarket numbers again, we lowered the overall revenue number to be more reflective of some of the economic headwinds that we are seeing our retailers face whether it be supplier out of stocks, the retailers having difficulty getting the consumers into the store and it’s just the nature of what we are seeing within the supermarket channel right now. And our overall guidance reflects some of that headwind in the supermarket channel.

Paul Kearney

Analyst

Great. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Kelly Bania from BMO Capital. Your line is open.

Kelly Bania

Analyst

Hi, thanks for taking the time to have a long call here and fit all these questions in. I wanted to start with the inclusion on the share-based compensation. I was just curious if that – the way that you are now looking at it, is that consistent with the way that the rating agencies and your debt covenants particularly your leverage ratios are calculated?

Steve Spinner

Analyst

Yes. Mike, do you know the answer to that?

Mike Zechmeister

Analyst

Yes. I don’t have insight into how the rating agencies are specifically thinking about share-based compensation in the entirety of their analysis. The thing we said about share-based compensation that has changed is we have adopted from an EBITDA, an adjusted EBITDA standpoint. We have adopted the practice that SUPERVALU went to at the beginning of fiscal ‘19, which is to exclude stock-based compensation from EBITDA, which is more consistent with what our peers in the industry are doing and also that we believe provides more transparency and a better estimation of cash generation.

Kelly Bania

Analyst

Are your debt covenants the same though?

Mike Zechmeister

Analyst

The debt covenants the same as – just please clarify that, our debt covenants.

Kelly Bania

Analyst

The way that you are calculating it now up by adding – by including the share-based compensation. I can follow-up with you on that. I guess the other question on the retail. So we are adding the $45 million. Can you just go back and clarify again exactly which banners that are included or accounting for that $45 million and which are not? And then also as you go through the process of pursuing to sell the retail banners, I believe the unfunded pension liability that’s in SUPERVALU’s filings, I believe that’s connected to the retail business. So, maybe can you just help us understand what happens with that as you go through the process, if there is any specific banners those are attached to or not?

Mike Zechmeister

Analyst

Yes, so good question, Kelly. So first of all, included in discontinued operations today are three banners, Cub, Shoppers and Hornbacher’s. Now we have just announced the sale of Hornbacher’s and we would expect that deal to close in a month or so. So by the time we get to the end of Q2, we would expect that Hornbacher’s no longer in discontinued operations and therefore, it’s just Shoppers and Cub. And I think on your unfunded pension question, I will hand it to Steve.

Steve Spinner

Analyst

Yes. So, Kelly, both wholesale and retail have some pension obligations. Obviously, we are continuing to run wholesale. So, we don’t anticipate triggering any kind of pension liability associated with continuing to run the wholesale business. In retail, some of the banners have pension, which all are liability issues, some obviously don’t. And the way we look at it is it’s really an economic value associated with how we sell those banners. So if we are looking to sell a banner that has a withdrawal liability, then in theory, the purchase price on a dollar-for-dollar basis would have to cover the potential withdrawal liability. And so today, we are pretty comfortable based upon the work that we have done and the progress we have made thus far in actually seeing the value of retail that we will be able to in fact cover the withdrawal liability associated with retail as we sell.

Kelly Bania

Analyst

Okay, great. That’s very helpful. And if I could just squeeze in one more just on the interest expense, I guess, first question is as you pursue going through these swaps, which it sounds like you are partially way through that process, how does that change the – how could that change the guidance for the interest expense? Can you give any clarity or color on how you expect that to play out? And then two in terms of the pricing of the term loan B, you called – you mentioned the higher than expected rate, I was just curious how much the maturity played a part in that, because it does seem like there is some language in there about the Whole Foods contract and the timing in 2025. And I was just curious if that was the maturity that you were targeting for, for that term loan B? Thank you.

Mike Zechmeister

Analyst

Yes. So, couple of things. First of all, on the possibility of the spring maturity that can move up the 7-year term by less than a year and that was really in the event that we didn’t resign Whole Foods to an extension in September of 2025. So I don’t see that as a big difference in the term or on the rate. And then I am sorry, what’s the first part of your question again?

Kelly Bania

Analyst

Just how the swaps could impact your interest rate guidance as it sounds like you are partially in some of those?

Mike Zechmeister

Analyst

So we have got an incredibly flat yield curve right now. So interestingly, the fixing rates had very short tenures, 1, 2 years are very similar to going all the way up to 7 years. And so we are laddering our maturities to reduce refinancing risk, but the pricing associated with short-term versus long-term rate fixing is almost negligible.

Kelly Bania

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And your last question comes from the line of Eric Larson from Buckingham Research. Your line is open.

Eric Larson

Analyst

Thank you. Appreciate getting the end here. So, when you look at your adjusted EBITDA guidance, the one thing that’s kind of stuck out and maybe it’s because of the inclusion of the discontinued ops, but you had D&A of $332 million, which was sort of a big number. What is in that, what will that number go to when you finally sell the Cub and Shoppers banners? I think that’s why that number is so high, I am speculating but...

Mike Zechmeister

Analyst

Yes. The impact of purchase accounting has a big impact on both amortization and depreciation as we brought the assets from SUPERVALU into the company and adjust them for the purchase price. And so that’s a big driver of the deepening. With respect to the sale of the banners, I won’t speculate on where we land as a result of the divestiture of those businesses.

Eric Larson

Analyst

Okay, alright. So the final question is can you – with your new guidance range of $1.69 to $1.89, can you go through the same EPS build on the EPS build that you did the EBITDA build given we don’t really know what that tax rate is? Obviously, you have got higher interest – a bunch of things in there. Can you do a build for us from your previous guidance of $3.48, $3.58 to where you are now and what the big components on that are?

Mike Zechmeister

Analyst

Yes. So let me take a cut at it here. So first of all, we have given you pretty good idea of the build on all the way through EBITDA. We have given you the impact of purchase accounting of $1.05. We have given you the impact of the interest expense at $0.51. We have bucked on providing full clarity on the tax rate, but we have said that we would expect our taxes to be less than $20 million given all the one-time expenses that we have had this year. So that should be a pretty small rate. And then we also gave a nod to a little bit more share dilution as it relates to the conversion of some SUPERVALU equity on the acquisition, call that less than $0.05. And I think you have got all the pieces there.

Eric Larson

Analyst

Okay, great. Thanks, guys.

Steve Spinner

Analyst

I want to thank you again for joining us today and we look forward to seeing you at our upcoming Investor Day. As we have said many times, UNFI is transforming the way food is supplied to North America. And along the way, we expect to create significant value, synergy and opportunity. It’s going to be a journey that takes some time. However, in the end, we will have created North America’s premier wholesaler with over $20 billion in revenue, over 60 distribution centers and an unequaled offering of products and services. The thesis for this acquisition has not changed. In fact, as I said earlier, as we begun to integrate, our outlook for the combination is stronger than ever. We have no doubt that the combination of UNFI and SUPERVALU will translate into more significant value for shareholders than UNFI as a standalone company over time. Thank you and have a good evening.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s conference call. You may now disconnect.