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Victory Capital Holdings, Inc. (VCTR)

Q2 2023 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 4, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Victory Capital Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All callers are in a listen-only mode. Following the company’s prepared remarks there will be a question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Matthew Dennis, Chief of Staff and Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Mr. Dennis.

Matthew Dennis

Management

Thank you. Before I turn the call over to David Brown, I would like to remind you that during today's conference call, we may make a number of forward-looking statements. Please note that Victory Capital's actual results may differ materially from these statements. Please refer to our SEC filings for a list of some of the risk factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed on today's call. Victory Capital assumes no duty and does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements. Our press release that was issued after the market closed yesterday, disclose both GAAP and non-GAAP financial results. We believe the non-GAAP measures enhance the understanding of our business and our performance. Reconciliations between these non-GAAP measures and the most comparable GAAP measures are included in tables that can be found in our earnings press release and in the slide presentation accompanying this call, both of which are available on the Investor Relations portion of our website at ir.vcm.com. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to David Brown, Chairman and CEO. David?

David Brown

Management

Thanks, Matt. Good morning, and welcome to Victory Capital's second quarter 2023 earnings conference call. I'm joined today by Michael Policarpo, our President, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer; as well as Matt Dennis, our Chief of Staff and Director of Investor Relations. I'll start today by providing an overview of the second quarter. After that, I will turn the call over to Mike to review the financial results in detail. Following our prepared remarks, Mike, Matt and I will be available to take your questions. The quarterly business overview begins on Slide 5. We generated another quarter of strong revenue, earnings and margins to close out the first half of the year. Long-term net flows improved for the second consecutive quarter with outflows of $1 billion compared with the $1.2 billion of outflows recorded in the first quarter. This excludes the 3 basis points passive mandate redemption in April, which is previously disclosed in our April AUM release. Average AUM was essentially flat quarter-over-quarter, and our average fee realization rose to 52.1 basis points, which contributed to higher revenue compared with the first quarter of the year. Our margins remained exceptional coming in at 50.9% this quarter, which highlights the differentiated nature of our operating platform and its highly variable expense structure. This is the 12th quarter in a row that we achieved margins above our long-term guidance of 49%. And this is the eighth quarter over that period where our margin surpassed 50%. Our long-term margin guidance remains unchanged at 49%. And keep in mind, this does factor in ongoing strategic investments that will help us grow our business in the future. Adjusted net income or tax benefit rose to $1.11 per diluted share in the quarter, up from $1.08 in the previous quarter. Substantial capital return to shareholders…

Michael Policarpo

Management

Thanks, Dave, and good morning, everyone. The financial results review begins on Slide 11. Assets under management increased nearly 2% from $158.6 billion at the end of March to $161.6 billion by the end of June. While the point-to-point variance was higher, our average AUM was slightly lower than in the first quarter due to intra-quarter market volatility. The higher ending point of AUM in June gives us a nice jump-off point to start the third quarter from a revenue perspective. Revenue of $204.2 million was up in the second quarter compared with the $201.3 million of revenue in the first quarter. The higher revenue on the lower average AUM was a result of a higher quarter-over-quarter fee rate realization and one additional day in the period. GAAP operating income was $87.5 million in the quarter and our adjusted EBITDA was $104 million, both up from the previous quarter. Second quarter net income was $56.7 million or $0.83 per diluted share on a GAAP basis, resulting in GAAP EPS increasing by 17% from the prior quarter. And adjusted net income or tax benefit rose quarter-over-quarter to $75.9 million or $1.11 per diluted share. The quarterly cash dividend of $0.32 per share will be payable on September 25 to shareholders of record on September 11. On Slide 12, you can see a steady increase in total AUM over the trailing 12-month period, reaching $161.6 billion at the end of the second quarter. Our AUM remains well diversified from a distribution channel and client perspective. We are also well diversified from a vehicle perspective with ETFs and separately managed accounts, including model delivery, representing more than a third of our total AUM. Turning to Slide 13. Long-term gross flows were $5.6 billion in the quarter. Industry-wide softness in gross sales has persisted…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Etienne Ricard from BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Etienne Ricard

Analyst

Thank you and good morning. To circle back on the launch of brokerage capabilities in your direct channel, how do you think about the opportunity to cross-sell your strategies? And what improvement are you expecting as it relates to the number of products held for customer?

David Brown

Management

Good morning. The launch of our brokerage platform, I'd start off by saying we're in the early stages. We launched it at the end of April of this year. And we're making really, really good progress on it. There will be a great opportunity to be able to cross-sell -- to take your term, to cross-sell our investment strategies to our current clients to new clients. But I think the real opportunity is to get closer to our clients there, so to offer them more product choice to be able to work with them with their financial future and to really be able to see what we can do to be a bigger part of their financial life through more product choice. So part of that is going to be more of our own products. But another part of that is going to be other firms products sitting on our brokerage platform. And that's the real goal is to really help our clients and to get closer to our clients and then ultimately to get new clients.

Etienne Ricard

Analyst

Okay. Understood. Switching gears a little bit on New Energy Capital. Could you please remind us of the potential for scale in that business as well as how investor interest is holding up in this macro backdrop? And lastly, the time line for future fundraising.

David Brown

Management

So New Energy was our first entrance into really private markets. And the business is smaller relative to our overall business. Think of it as $1 billion or sub-$1 billion platform. The opportunity there is to go out and to launch new funds. We were net flow positive for this quarter with them. And it's really just the beginning of New Energy, and that's also the beginning for us in the private market part of the industry.

Etienne Ricard

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Craig Siegenthaler from Bank of America. Your line is open.

Craig Siegenthaler

Analyst

Hey, good morning, Dave, Michael, hope you're both doing well.

David Brown

Management

Good morning.

Michael Policarpo

Management

Good morning.

Craig Siegenthaler

Analyst

So fixed income continues to be a net flow headwind for Victory despite pretty good and best performance, but I wanted your perspective over -- into the second half, into 2024. Are you expecting a large pickup in industry fixed income flows kind of really after the Fed pauses and how do you think your bond business is positioned for this migration?

David Brown

Management

So we -- as we said in the script, we think the second half of this year and then going into next year, we do think that investors are going to pivot really from money market or very, very short-term fixed income investments to more longer duration. And from our perspective, and we articulated this in the script, we have a number of products that have really good performance, long track records, high ratings from a Morningstar perspective. And we've expanded out the distribution over the years. So we think we're really well positioned. Some of the softness, if you go back to the first half of the year for us has really been in some of the noncore fixed income products that we have, some floating rate, high yield and other noncore fixed income products that really we've seen those investors go into a money market type investment. So when those investors feel comfortable -- I think, as we talked about with the industry, feel comfortable getting out of a money market type investment, we think we're really well positioned, and we're really excited about that. And we think that, that's going to be a big driver going forward of our organic growth opportunities.

Craig Siegenthaler

Analyst

Great. For my follow-up, I want to circle back on M&A, just given the rebounding markets here. I wanted to see what that's changed. Has there been any change in valuation multiples over the last six months. The financing side looked a little more challenged last year, is that starting to ease a little bit, too?

David Brown

Management

I think sellers have come down in their expectations. So I would say that there's probably a lot more conversations happening that potentially can get to a conclusion. We have seen some activity from Victory's perspective, we're really encouraged. We're working hard and part of our growth over the last decade has been through acquisitions. And I would anticipate that going forward and I'd also anticipate, and I've said this before, that coming out of some of these challenging periods, you see a lot of M&A activity in this industry, and I don't think it's going to be any different this time. And if you assume we're coming out of a challenging period through this year and into next year, I think the M&A activity is going to happen, and I think there's going to be a lot of it, and we're going to participate in it.

Craig Siegenthaler

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Mike Brown from KBW. Your line is open.

Michael Brown

Analyst

Great. Hi, good morning, guys.

David Brown

Management

Good morning.

Michael Policarpo

Management

Hi, Mike.

Michael Brown

Analyst

So I guess a really nice margin result this quarter. As you called out, this is the 12th consecutive quarter above your 49% guidance, looks like the lower comp was certainly helpful this quarter. Any thoughts on perhaps changing that guidance? Or any quick comments on how to think about maybe the coming quarters here?

David Brown

Management

So I'll start and Mike will follow-up. We've always talked about margin guidance from a long-term perspective quarter-to-quarter with the ebb and flow of investments that we're making in the business, the way the market is and then how we realize revenue. Really, it's tough to think about it quarter-by-quarter, and we've had a great track record of exceeding the guidance. But our guidance, we're comfortable at 49%. Over the long run, we have a really differentiated operating platform. I think this is the second highest margin -- operating margin we have achieved as a public company. And I think the first was Q4 of 2020. So to think that we would have our second highest margin in this environment just says a lot about our platform.

Michael Policarpo

Management

Yes. I would add. I think the ability for us to continue to make the investments, and we highlighted a few areas where we are reinvesting for long-term, data, product, distribution, continuing to invest in those areas really pointed for the future. And as Dave mentioned, those investments will ebb and flow. So while this quarter, we had a 50.9% margin we think that the beauty of the model is it's highly consistent. And if you go back and look, we've been operating at 49% margins for the last 12 quarters, and that includes those investments.

Michael Brown

Analyst

Okay. Great. And then could you just comment on the broader investor sentiment. Just looking at your flow trends and a lot of your peers, it looks like the gross sales have been -- just remained quite soft, and that's really an important part of the net flow trends that we've been seeing. What causes investors to really engage in a more meaningful way in your view? Any green shoots that you've been seeing on this front?

David Brown

Management

Yes. I would agree with you that gross flows from an industry perspective have been soft. I think a lot of investors are sitting in money market investments. I think the last number I heard was $7 trillion, which is around quarter of the industry is invested in money markets. I think that there is a lack of certainty of what the future holds from a Fed perspective, from a rate perspective. So I think to earn 5% in a money market essentially risk-free is a good risk adjusted return for many investors. I think as we get clarity on the Fed and the economy, I think a lot of that money will move. And I think that's what we're excited about. We do see some movement now. We're seeing a pickup on our won but not yet funded on the institutional channel. We called this out the WestEnd platform that we have. We've seen a nice pickup. And I do think when we get some clarity, you're going to see a lot of money move. It will go into various types of investments. I think until then, I think people -- many people, many advisers, many investors are going to be very comfortable just sitting in a money market and earning a 5% yield. When you go back two years ago, you think about what money markets were yielding, it is a good risk-adjusted return when you look at it historically.

Michael Brown

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thanks, David. Congrats on the anniversary. It's a big milestone.

David Brown

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ken Worthington from JPMorgan.

Michael Cho

Analyst

Hi. Good morning, Dave and Mike. This is actually Michael Cho for Ken Worthington. I just wanted to follow-up on the margin discussion and organic growth -- organic investment discussion. I mean, you listed a few -- several different organic initiatives. And so I guess, we're thinking about kind of the 49% long-term margin target. I mean what's kind of the level of annual organic investment that's kind of assumed in there long term?

David Brown

Management

So we set the 49% margin guidance over the long term factoring in that we would make investments in our business to grow the business. We're making a lot of investments today. Mike went through a few of them, data, technology. We launched the brokerage platform. We rebranded really the direct business. We also have launched products and there is a lot of other things happening behind the scenes where we're investing in our business, and we'll continue to invest. We think the balance of investing for organic growth and then maintaining the 49% as our long-term guidance is the right balance. I do think that our model is different. And I think when you compare us to other firms in the industry, we just have a different operating model where a good portion of our expenses are variable. And then we have the ability to really scale up and to scale down during tough markets and maintain our margins. And so the balance of the investments and the 49%, we really think that's a really -- that's threading the needle and getting both of those things right.

Michael Cho

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Alex Bolstein from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

Hi, guys. Luke here, on for Alex. Thanks for taking the question. Can you just provide a quick update on capital allocation strategy? Obviously, buybacks continue to be very healthy and are encouraging. But how are you balancing that with debt paydown and inorganic activity? And on the inorganic side, are there any specific areas of focus you guys are thinking about as you do your due diligence? Thanks.

Michael Policarpo

Management

Sure. Good morning. I think our capital management strategy has really remained consistent and is unchanged. We want to maintain balance sheet flexibility really to execute our differentiated strategy, which really includes, as you highlight kind of the inorganic opportunities that we see. The strong financial performance that we've delivered, the business diversification, that's really been driven by those organic investments that we've made in -- inorganic investments have kind of provided us that ability to remain flexible. And really, as we think about the level of buybacks that we've done in the first half of the year, and balancing that versus the other capital management elements and pillars. We've been opportunistic and really those decisions are based on facts and circumstances. We've leaned in the past several quarters on shareholder return. We think that's been the right pivot from an allocation perspective. We've got a very advantageous debt stack. As we've talked about, we've got a hedge on about $450 million of the debt that it really allows us to kind of have a lower interest cost and it really is something that we think about kind of going forward. And we also believe on the share buyback because we think there's a statement with respect to the value of the stock as well there. But I think as we think about going forward, the priority and the best use of our excess cash will continue to be inorganic growth. And we want to make sure that we've got the right capacity from -- and tools to be able to deliver on that.

David Brown

Management

Yes. And then I'll take the -- what kind of inorganic growth opportunities we're looking at. I mean, first, anything we do, we start off that has to make the company better. A lot of what we have done in the past has made very, very great strides financially. But everything, the constant has been that we made the company better. So we start off, we estimate the company better. The different types of transactions that we're interested in, I'd put them into a transformational transaction where it's going to be large in size and scale, going to have multiple levers of value that you can create products, opening up distribution channels and we have done some of those in the past. Then another area we're interested in is really acquiring products that are part of the future portfolio of our investors. So a WestEnd type acquisition, New Energy, a THB, these are acquisitions that have fantastic products that are part of the future of portfolios and you know what we're hearing from our clients, the type of products that they want and desire. So we're looking at those kinds of opportunities. And from a sizing perspective, the range really is something very small to something very large. And as Mike has said, we have a lot of different levers to do acquisitions. Part of that has been debt in the past. We have -- we generate cash, we have structuring, and we've done a number of different things. And we feel today that we have the balance sheet and then we have the other tools that we can use to really execute on M&A.

Unidentified Participant

Analyst

I appreciate the color there. And maybe a nice segue into a follow-up. So WestEnd has obviously been like a very successful acquisition for you guys. Can you help frame for us how significant of a driver it has been and you expect it to be maybe for the quantum of flows? And is there anything specific that you can speak to that's driven the recent pickup in activity here? Thank you.

David Brown

Management

So I'll take the back half of that question. I think the recent pickup is really just a general market environment. WestEnd has had excellent investment performance, but even deeper is they really do provide a solution to advisers and to clients. And so none of that has changed. It's really just been a general market sentiment. And I think the group that's out servicing and selling the product does an excellent job. WestEnd, since we've done -- since we closed the acquisition really at the beginning of 2022, we've had organic growth. And if you think about the beginning of 2022 to today, to have a product that has grown organically, really at every time period that we measure, so all of 2022, year-to-date in 2023, both grow -- both periods, they've grown and then cumulatively, they've grown. It's been excellent. We have big expectations for them going forward. We think they're going to be a big part of our organic growth opportunity. And as the general investor sentiment gets better, we think that their organic growth will increase. If you remember, when we did the acquisition, this was a double-digit organic -- annual organic grower, percentage-wise. So they have experienced great growth in the past, and I don't see in a normal market environment why we can't reproduce that.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Matthew Howlett from B. Riley Securities. Your line is open.

Matthew Howlett

Analyst

Good morning and thanks for taking my question. Most of my questions have been answered, but Dave, I want to ask you on the 12 platforms, how often do you feel a need to get involved from a management strategy? Remind us again, sort of how often in the past you step in on the day-to-day and so forth?

David Brown

Management

So our model really is all about an independent autonomous investment franchises is how we describe it. So you have investment professionals really every day, researching and managing the portfolio as they see fit. They do it on a platform, which we think is best of class. But really, the investment professionals are driving, building the portfolios and deciding how the portfolios are positioned. That's how we have built our business and we think that that's the best way to get great investment performance. You can see from our investment performance, how excellent it's been, how consistent it's been in. It's really because we've got, as you said, 12 investment franchises where you have groups developing their own portfolios, and then -- and the ability to articulate those portfolios without any interruption from non-investment professionals. And I think that's been consistent over the last decade as being an independent company.

Matthew Howlett

Analyst

So there's no need to step in and sort of guide someone that may not be up to what the others are doing, you just sort of let them -- it's worked for you in the past, and that's the way it stands when you look to run the company.

David Brown

Management

Yes. It's all about providing them all of the necessary tools that they need to build portfolios and to manage client assets. And so our focus is on providing them all of the tools to do that. They take those tools. They build the portfolios. And then our job as well is to go out and make sure that we secure them clients and that we service those clients. And we let them focus as much as their time as possible on the portfolio and making the decisions around the portfolio.

Matthew Howlett

Analyst

Makes a lot of sense. And that leads into my next question. You run the gamut in terms of what you're looking at in terms of M&A. How do you narrow it down? Does it come down to sort of the best value out there, the needs of the company or a geography we'd like to be in. I mean you're going to presumably see a lot of potential deals out there. I mean what can you tell us in terms of how you prioritize all that's out there?

David Brown

Management

Yes. I think we have a really good track record with our M&A over the last decade. How we prioritize isn't really around asset class or size or scale or even financial accretion, it's really around the best fit for the company. This industry is going to go through -- in my opinion, going to go through continued consolidation for the foreseeable future. There's going to be a lot of opportunity. And I do think sorting out the best fit for your organization is one of the challenges for leadership teams. And so part of that is science and you can go through all of the investment performance, analytics and other things. And then the other part is our -- and I think we draw upon our experience of doing acquisitions.

Matthew Howlett

Analyst

Yes. Absolutely. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

And there are no further questions at this time. Mr. Dave Brown. I turn the call back over to you for some final closing remarks.

David Brown

Management

Thank you and we appreciate everybody's interest in Victory Capital. We look forward to keeping you posted on our progress as we execute on our strategy through the second half of the year. Thanks for attending, and have a great day.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.