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Vermilion Energy Inc. (VET)

Q2 2025 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 8, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Vermilion Energy Q2, 2025 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] This call is being recorded on Friday, August 8, 2025. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Dion Hatcher. Please go ahead.

Anthony Hatcher

Analyst

Thank you, Kelsey. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Dion Hatcher, President and CEO of Vermilion Energy. With me today are Lars Glemser, Vice President and CFO; Darcy Kerwin, Vice President, International and HSE; Randy McQuade, Vice President, North America; Lara Conrad, Vice President, Business Development; and Kyle Preston, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please refer to our advisory and forward-looking statements in our Q2 release. It describes forward-looking information, non-GAAP measures and oil and gas terms used today. And it relies on risk factors and assumptions relevant to this discussion. Vermilion delivered strong second quarter results. Production for Q2 averaged 136,000 BOEs per day, representing a 32% increase from the prior quarter, mainly due to a full quarter contribution from the Westbrick acquisition that closed in February. Subsequent to the second quarter, we closed both of the previously announced Saskatchewan and U.S. asset sales for a combined gross proceeds of $535 million, which has been allocated to debt reduction. These divestments were a key component of Vermilion's broader strategic transition towards becoming a global gas producer. Enabling us to enhance operational scale and long-duration assets and better position the company for sustainable, profitable growth. Vermilion now has a production base of approximately 120,000 BOEs per day, 70% weighted to natural gas with over 90% of our production coming from our global gas assets, which include liquids-rich gas in Canada and high netback gas in Europe. We expect over 80% of our future capital investment will be directed towards these global gas assets, which will be the primary growth drivers within our portfolio. We generated $260 million of fund flows from operations and $144 million of free cash flow in Q2 after deducting E&D capital expenditures. Capital expenditures were down from the previous quarter due to the seasonality of drilling…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from Greg Pardy from RBC Capital Markets.

Greg M. Pardy

Analyst

Thanks, Dion for the rundown. I wanted to ask you 2 things. which you definitely touched on in your opening remarks. So maybe just in terms of streamlining the portfolio, like there's definitely been coring up in areas. You still have a number of areas, perhaps maybe they're smaller assets or less core or even some of the stuff in Europe and so on. I'm just curious, what's next in terms of shaping -- reshaping the portfolio? And where would that be?

Anthony Hatcher

Analyst

Thanks, Greg, for the question. Yes, no, I think you're right. If you think about Canada, of course, we've exited U.S. and we've exited Saskatchewan and I think we're going to see the benefits with improved capital efficiency and lower cost structure as we look forward. As we look to Europe, we have announced earlier this year that we're exiting Hungary, and we're well in the progress of making that happen. We did also have some interest in Slovakia, which we decided not to pursue. And so that is another a couple of jurisdictions that we're deciding not to allocate capital to go forward. And then finally, Croatia, of course, is an area where we've had some success. We've drilled some good wells. We have some production. And also on the SA 7 block, we did have some exploration success, but that is yet another area that we're looking at to although we've got a very strong technical team, and I think a pretty interesting land base well -- we'll test the market maybe on some retention value for that asset, especially given the capital allocation decisions we have in front of us with the success in Germany, some of the drilling opportunities in Netherlands, and of course long suite of projects that we've got in North America. So we're not done yet, Greg, to answer your question. And I think you're going to see continue to focus on making the business more streamlined, which will improve our capital efficiency and our cost structure.

Greg M. Pardy

Analyst

Okay. And maybe just shifting to the shareholder returns. Let's say you were at $1 billion today than perhaps given the value? I'm just trying to -- I'm not trying to lead you. I'm just trying to get a better sense as to with the -- where would the payout ratio presumably go? And then is there a bias towards dividends or buybacks, I'm assuming maybe the buyback just in -- just given your relative valuation, but curious there?

Anthony Hatcher

Analyst

Yes. No, thanks. I'm going to pass it over to Lars to walk us through that.

Lars William Glemser

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Dion. Yes, on the shareholder return front, I think we have been pretty clear and transparent the last couple of years here. And so we were at 50% of excess free cash flow being returned. We did a very material acquisition late last year -- announced late last year with the Westbrick acquisition funded with the balance sheet, primarily at the time of the acquisition and then with the dispositions that Dion mentioned in the U.S. and Saskatchewan. It was a -- as a result of it being a cash-funded acquisition we reduced the return of capital to 40% of excess free cash flow. We have been buying some shares this year, and we're quite comfortable with that 40% level as we chip away at the debt look to get back to 1x leverage. I think, on the dividend front, we still like the idea of ratable per annum increases. I don't think there'll be the 20% to 25% increases that you saw the last couple of years. And so we will look to prioritize share buybacks with that incremental return of capital over and above the dividend.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from Menno Hulshof from TD Cowen.

Menno Hulshof

Analyst

I'll start with a question on the Westbrick synergies. Can we perhaps get a more detailed breakdown on what drove the increase to the estimate, the $200 million? And if there is upside beyond your new estimate, where is that most likely to come from?

Anthony Hatcher

Analyst

Thanks, Menno, for that. I can't wait to talk about it, but I'm going to pass it over to Randy to walk us through some of those synergies that we're seeing.

Randy McQuade

Analyst

Yes. So yes, as you mentioned, we -- as Dion mentioned, that we've got about $200 million of NPV synergies identified. We expect to achieve about 2/3 of that in the next 5 years. So in terms of the details that you're looking for, like in the Q1 announcement, it was very much the first $100 million that we announced. It was around development and operational. So that would have been drilling the extended reach wells with the combined land base optimize production and then our operating cost reductions that we've seen. This next $100 million that we've seen here are announcing in the Q2 call, is focused on or related to the reorganization of the Canadian -- the restructuring of the Canadian organization, and that was based on the efficiencies that we've identified with the combination of Westbrick and the existing teams that we had in place. The other synergies that we're looking at are related to the reduced drilling costs, service costs that we get with the bigger program and more consistent program and then the processing fees that we -- a reduction in processing fees that as we continue to negotiate with our various third parties. So overall, I think when we look at it, we kind of estimate it to be about $30 million a year of savings, so quite significant. We would allocate about 1/3 of that would be on the CapEx side, 2/3 on the expense side. So I think we're very happy with the work that was done to date. The team continues to work as we integrate Westbrick. We're very pleased with the acquisition, and we do -- we would expect to see more synergies as we continue to integrate.

Anthony Hatcher

Analyst

Thanks, Randy. Yes to summarize. I think we're really seeing, like if you looked at that image we published at the time of the announcement on December 23, like just the sheer synergies around land touching each other, offsetting infrastructure. And so the team is having more time to work with it. And we're talking, again, $30 million a year of kind of savings, which EMP bill and all that, as Randy was saying, is how we got to that $200 million number, but great work by Randy and the team to start to realize some of these synergies.

Menno Hulshof

Analyst

Yes. No question that it's a very strong number. Maybe just moving on to -- you touched on this in your opening remarks, just on acquisition potential. Can we get an update on the opportunity set in Europe? Do you envision any packages coming to market anytime soon? And maybe a refresh on how you would go about funding it would be helpful as well.

Anthony Hatcher

Analyst

Thanks, Menno. We still see the potential. As a reminder, we're 5% of the market in Netherlands and Germany, and a lot of that other 90%, 95%, I should say, is owned and controlled by the majors, and then they position their intention to over time to divest. The one, of course, we've talked about the most is in the Netherlands, and I think that is still their intention to divest of those onshore assets, and we're quite well positioned given our history there, and we're the second largest operator. As to funding and Lars feel free to jump in. Here the unique thing about these opportunities, and I think Corb was the poster child where the headline number to acquire those assets at the time was $600 million, but the cash to close when you closed 15 months later, it was about $200 million. So when we think about our ability to do deals in Europe, I mean, we are deleveraging by the day with approximately $750 million off balance sheet here this year. But also the time to close and the type of assets that we would buy, which are typically high free cash flow generation, we feel really, really comfortable about our ability to be able to finance those. But Menno, give me a thumbs up or good there Menno.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Chris Worley from Hughes Fund Management.

Chris Worley

Analyst

I want to ask a little bit about Q3 CapEx. There was a lot of CapEx from Q2 that's clearly getting deferred. It looks like. So can you just kind of talk through what happened with those deferrals? And maybe like which parts of the development plan got deferred and sort of like how well those deferred dollars get spent in Q3 and Q4?

Anthony Hatcher

Analyst

I'm going to pass from Lars a couple of comments there, [indiscernible], there is some seasonality as we talked about with -- in Canada, breakup things do tend to slow down here. And then we are picking up rigs, 2 additional rigs here in the Deep Basin and drilling in Netherlands right now. So I think you'll see that cadence change. But with that, I'm going to pass it over to Lars to talk more about that.

Lars William Glemser

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Dion. Chris, maybe just a couple of data points as well to level set, and then I'll provide a little bit of perspective here. So Q2 was a strong quarter. As you heard from Randy, a really successful integration. We're starting to see the synergies come to fruition as well. And so what we did in the second quarter is we started to pull back on investment in some of the non-core assets that were announced as being sold. So Saskatchewan and the U.S. to help prioritize debt reduction I don't think that can be understated as well or overstated in terms of we printed a $2.1 billion net debt number at Q1. We're now at $1.4 billion. That's a combination of both the disposition proceeds as well as the fact that we were able to defer some capital on those non-core assets. So just to level set here, we have invested $297 million year-to-date. As you referenced, Q2 was a lower spend quarter with $115 million spent. You have the lower activity levels due to spring breakup here in Western Canada. And so we are on track to spend $630 million to $660 million for the year. And then that includes $23 million on the sold assets. And when we look at our current forecasting, we're trending to be at the lower end of that guidance range, so closer to the $630 million level, which includes the $23 million of investment on sold assets. That number is $100 million lower than our previous guidance. And so, as I referenced when you combine that with the proceeds from the dispositions that's what's allowing us to delever from that $2.1 billion level to $1.3 billion, while high-grading the asset base. And so looking ahead, Chris, a capital run rate…

Anthony Hatcher

Analyst

Thanks, Larry. I mean, to summarize, production is up, now only 35% year-over-year. Capital efficiency has significantly improved and our cost structure is lower. And this is why we're excited as a management team as we start to look out in the future years. I think we've got a much more concentrated focused asset base, and that's where we're excited about the sustainable profile that we're seeing with our excess free cash flow, especially as we think about the ramp-up in Montney, the pivot as we become free cash flow positive on the 2028 timeline and then the build up in Germany. But with that, Chris, back to you.

Operator

Operator

I will now turn it over to Kyle Preston for additional questions.

Kyle Preston

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Kelsey. So we did have a few questions coming online here. I think a couple of them have already -- already been addressed by the questions we've received so far, but there was 1 other outstanding here. Your Q2 corporate realized gas price premium relative to AECO was lower than the previous quarters. Can you help me understand this?

Lars William Glemser

Analyst

Yes. Great. Thanks, Kyle, for the question here. So yes, as the individual referenced here, we've reported a realized gas price of $4.88 for the quarter at the corporate level. The equal benchmark, which a lot of us are familiar with was $1.69. So just about 3x premium to that. So the thing to keep in mind is when we report that corporate realized price, it is a blend of the production that we are selling in Europe, combined with the Canadian gas production. That is a very unique feature to Vermilion. And so the gas that we produce in Europe, we received local prices for that -- what we have found here in the last couple of years is European gas prices are very highly correlated to global LNG prices. So you are getting that global LNG price today through the Vermilion production profile. Just to sort of reiterate these numbers that were in our release here for the second quarter of 2025, the TTF price in Europe averaged CAD 16.27 versus that AECO price of $1.69. In the second quarter, we produced just over 390 million a day of gas in Canada. And I'll just remind you those come from our liquids-rich gas assets in Canada. So on average, those gas wells are contributing about 30% liquids as well. And then we produced about 105 million a day of gas in Europe. And so really what you're getting today with Vermilion is you're getting that LNG price exposure through our European gas production. Here in North America or Western Canada, you're getting a very material exposure to Canadian gas that is well hedged with a very high liquid weighting as well. In fact, for the second quarter here, our Canadian revenues on the continuing operations around that global gas business. We're about 60% driven by the liquids. So I think those are just some nuances that are good to stop and walk through because they are very unique to Vermilion in the sense that we are giving you that global gas exposure through indigenous production in Europe as opposed to contracts that can be risky to get gas exposure from Western Canada to Europe or Asia for that matter.

Kyle Preston

Analyst

That's it, we had -- all we have for online questions, operator.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Turn it back over to you.

Anthony Hatcher

Analyst

Well, thanks again for participating in the Q2 conference call and I appreciate everyone's time.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude your conference call for today. We thank you very much for your participation. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.