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Virtu Financial, Inc. (VIRT)

Q4 2016 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 2, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Virtu Financial Conference Call announcing 2016 Fourth Quarter Results. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. Andrew Smith, Head of Investor Relations, you may begin.

Andrew Smith

Analyst

Good morning everyone. Thank you for dialing in. As you know, our fourth quarter results were released this morning and are available on our website. Today's call may include forward-looking statements, which represent Virtu's current belief regarding future events and are therefore subject to risks, assumptions and uncertainties which may be outside the Company's control, and our actual result and financial conditions may differ materially from what is indicated in these forward-looking statements. It is important to note that any forward-looking statements made on this call are based on information presently available to the company and we do not undertake to update or revise any forward-looking statements as new information becomes available. We refer you to disclaimers in our press release and encourage you to review the description of risk factors contained our Annual Report on Form 10-K and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In addition to GAAP results, we may refer to certain non-GAAP measures including adjusted net trading income, adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin. You will find a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to GAAP terms included in the earnings materials with an explanation of how management uses these measures. Speaking and answering your questions today are Mr. Douglas Cifu, our Chief Executive Officer; and Mr. Joseph Molluso, our Chief Financial Officer. They will begin with prepared remarks and then take your questions. I would like to now turn the call over to Doug.

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Your line is open

Thank you, Andrew. Good morning and thank you all for joining our call this morning to discuss Virtu's fourth quarter and full year results. I am very pleased to report that our global business performed well in the fourth quarter of 2016. For the quarter, Virtu reported adjusted net trading income of $100.3 million and $0.24 per share of adjusted EPS. The fourth quarter was really a tale of two quarters. October volumes and volatility were similar to the third quarter which was marked by a low volume and mute volatility environment. The U.S. Presidential election in early November brought us some much welcome change to market conditions as we saw an uptick in demand for our market making services across all of our asset classes globally and these positive conditions carried on through the first half of December. Although the year end was characteristically quiet we are generally pleased with Virtu's solid performance and profitability in this quarter and the full year 2016 given the overall market conditions. We could not have achieved the consistently profitable results in this quarter or the full year of 2016 without our diversified global and scale platform which continues to perform well in all market conditions and as well our relentless focus on cost. Despite the challenges of a mixed operating environment during much of 2016, I believe the first full year as a public company for Virtu was successful in several respects. First, we maintained what we believe are best-in-class margins for market making firm despite the mixed operating environment and the additional cost and expenses associated with operating as a public company. Secondly, we broke ground on expanding our technology offerings by launching our technologically driven agency execution business and entering into an agreement with J. P. Morgan to provide outsourced…

Joseph Molluso

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Thank you. GAAP net income for Virtu Financial Inc. after attribution to non-controlling interest was $9 million which equates to $0.22 per share of diluted GAAP EPS. Consistent with the financial presentation and our quarterly and annual results since our IPO we provide non-GAAP Financial information to supplement our presentation. On a non-GAAP basis our normalized net income was $32.9 million for the fourth quarter. Assuming $139.7 million fully converted shares outstanding, this equated to $0.24 per share in normalized adjusted EPS. Our adjusted EBITDA which excludes the impact of stock-based compensation and other items was $64.8 million for the quarter with a corresponding margin of 62.6%. Turning to revenues in the overall environment for the fourth quarter our total adjusted net trading income was $100.3 million down 7% versus the fourth quarter of 2015 and up by 6% versus the third quarter. On a full-year basis, adjusted net trading income came in at $414.1 million, down from the record high of $500.7 million in 2015. On a daily basis, adjusted net trading income was $1.592 million per day in Q4. There were 63 trading days in Q4 of 2016. For the second year in a row, the Americas equities category earned the largest share of adjusted net trading income with 31% of the total for 2016. The fourth quarter was particularly strong for Americas and EMEA equities compared to the third quarter and given the overall environment. On a share volume basis, U.S. consolidated equity volumes were up 7.2% versus the prior quarter and EMEA notional value traded was up 11.7%. Americas equities and EMEA equities results were up 27% and 19% respectively versus Q3. We are pleased with these results particularly in light of the continued overall poor environment for a market maker like Virtu. The average mix…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Rich Repetto with Sandler O’Neill. Your line is open.

Richard Repetto

Analyst

Yes, good morning, Doug, good morning, Joe.

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Your line is open

Good morning Rich.

Joseph Molluso

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Good morning.

Richard Repetto

Analyst

Yes, I guess the first question is, what stands out is the adjusted margins 49% close to 50% and I guess the question is, and it has been asked before, but given the environment why don't your strategies struggle like some of your competitors that were seeing actual losses, quarterly losses?

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Your line is open

Well, that’s obviously Rich, I know what we do right, so it’s hard for me to comment on how other firms run their business or what their strategies do and why they react to volatility and rising markets or falling markets in different ways. My theory is and I've articulated this many times, we’re a pure market making firm right? So, we don't have an axe if you will. What we're – our mission is to be the finest increment of the bid and offer and to have a price at every moment in time for the 12,000 financial instruments that we trade. We do that by reference obviously the publicly available market data understanding market structure and having a great technology plan, that’s our mission singly focused. It's what Benny was doing 30 years ago in the trading fit the story and we use technology and scale to provide that efficiency in to the marketplace. So as a pure market making firm, candidly you should make money in rising and falling markets. Now, obviously, you'll make more money when there is more volume and many times you can make more money as you see in this quarter where there are periods of volatility or increased interest where the bid offer spread will expand, but our mission and our focus and our job if you will is to be a service provider, to provide the financial intermediation in the most efficient way between natural buyers and natural sellers. When you do that and you stick to your knitting and you are consistent and you manage your cost and expenses which Joe just went through, which we did, frankly you should be profitable every quarter as we have been since our inception in, since we started trading in 2009.

Richard Repetto

Analyst

Understood, that's helpful. And I guess Doug, you did talk a fair amount about the growth initiatives adding several new buy side clients and optimistic in 2017. I guess the question is, is there any way to put some sort of quantitative, how much can this contribute either on a percentage basis or just trying to feel what possible impact it could have on the financials in the coming year, the gross initiatives being the buy side and the partnerships with J.P. Morgan et cetera?

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Your line is open

Yes, now look obviously I get it and I know you guys and our investors obviously want to see how can we size that opportunity, how can we grow. We do separately disclose in our Technology Services segment, that kind of we’ve got a couple of technology deals and obviously now we have an agency business. So it all kind of get’s lumped in there and we get at the right moment in time as that business grows we’ll provide more detailed color on it. But I stick with the comments and the statements that I've made on these calls and in other public forum which is we think that’s a meaningful opportunity. We've had great take-up from world-class institutions that frankly we’re very humbled to be in business with and you know some of the names that have been out there in the press. And in terms of sizing it we think it can certainly be 10% of our overall results. Now the one thing that I'm not going to get boxed into is to say, hey how is that going to scale out quarter-by-quarter? And I get it. It’s important for the modelling and what not and people to look at the evaluation and I'm cognizant and respectful of that, but we think this is a real opportunity and we’ve had great uptake and I think the thing that I want people to be focused on is like we are running those businesses as it were two business. We have it ramped up with hiring a bunch of new employees and scale and new technology. We haven't made any meaningful investments in there because we frankly don't have to. What we have discovered is that we are a great financial technology company that really understands market structure because we have to make markets in these markets. And so I think that's a very unique asset if you will that we have and the business partners that we are now doing business with who are very discerning consumers and have frankly their choice to any financial technology company out there in the world, recognize that differentiation. We’re not going to be commoditized. We’re not going to be the cheapest option, but if you want a firm that really has built a great technological plan, is very efficient, is on the cutting edge, but really also understands 235 plus markets in 36 countries we might be the guy to do business with. And so we think that value proposition does scale, it does scale in a Virtu way and we'll continue to pound it and hopefully you’ll see the quarter results increase.

Richard Repetto

Analyst

Thanks. That’s all I had Doug and Joe and good luck in 2017.

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Your line is open

Thank you, Rich.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Chris Allen with Buckingham Research. Your line is open.

Chris Allen

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Your line is open

Hey guys how are you doing? And I guess we can just start on cash equities business, if you could just give us may be some color in terms of what drove the performance relative to, I mean we kind of look at the realized volatility metric, I don’t know if there is strength in ETFs or some other element there and also how the start to 2017 is so far?

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Your line is open

Yes, I mean thanks Chris. Good question. I think obviously when I said it in my comments I mean the somewhat I guess the price, I don’t want this to be a political comment because it’s not, the surprise election of President Trump and the ripple effects of that obviously had a very positive impact on our U.S. equities business during the quarter. I think the significant thing about that event was, unlike Brexit, which was limited to a day or two or three, Chris we did see a significant interest and uptick if you will in our market-making services as it is obviously seen by the results and the increased capture rate and all the other stuff that you guys will model out during the quarter. And again, as a leading and you hit it right on the head, as a leading ETF market maker, when you've got people shifting portfolios, when you've got people particularly on the night of the elections but also the next five, six, ten trading days thereafter making fundamental decisions on what does this mean for my portfolio. And a lot of that is driven by ETP products that we happen to be very active in and very efficient in, that’s going to have a significant impact on our operating results in a particular segment, in a particular quarter. So it’s really, that was really the offshoot of it and again it’s just beat the drum again, that’s the business model, like try to be everywhere and be the best fit and the best offer in all these different asset classes, in geographies and you'll get rewarded. Obviously we saw an uptick in the FX business as well. Some of that was related to the improvements and the investments that we've made in terms of personnel and technology, but also obviously the ripple effects from the Trump presidency certainly helped that business. January has been interesting, obviously coming off the increased volumes in volatilities in November and the first couple of weeks of December we were anticipating that January would hopefully be a more active month. You guys see the numbers and whatnot. I think there's been a fair degree of uncertainty as to where the Trump Presidency policies will come out in the areas of tax in particular and maybe some of the regulatory structure. So that uncertainty I think unfortunately has meant that there is less natural buyers and natural sellers and less portfolio shifting in the market and you guys see the volumes in January which have been somewhat muted and not as, not as robust as we saw in November. But it's still very early days in the quarter and I'm an optimistic guy by nature, but certainly, January you guys see the numbers from all the exchanges have been somewhat lower than what we saw in November and in the first part of December.

Chris Allen

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Your line is open

Got it, that’s it from me guys, thanks.

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Your line is open

Thank you, Chris.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Alex Blostein

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Hey guys, good morning.

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Good morning.

Alex Blostein

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

I was hoping you could give us an update on the J.P. Morgan relationship. I think it's been a couple quarters since the announcement came out. I think in the past you guys talked about expanding into potentially other asset classes there as well. So may be just an update on how that's gone so far and what sort of next we should expect from that relationship?

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Well, look as with every relationship you've got to date a little bit before you get engaged, before you get married. So I think, look I mean they are terrific people. I think the great results have been I think culturally and ergonomically the firms fit very, very well together. Obviously there was a period where we had to get our systems to speak and compliance and all that kind of stuff. That's all now behind us and we're actively engaged in working with them to enhance their market-making capabilities and in active treasuries and what not. I'm really not going to comment on kind of where it goes from there. I mean, I think it’s way too early days Alex. I mean, we’re humbled and honoured to be candid with you to be in business with such an important financial institution. We've learned a lot from them and hope they've learned a lot from us in terms of how they operate and I think they've hopefully learned on how a smaller may be more nimble firm operates. So, I think there's a lot of great synergies there. But in terms of where the relationship goes, I think it's still early days. I mean we’ve got a multiyear relationship with them, multiyear partnership. It does, you know, it's represented in our financial results where you'll see some uptick in 2017, but I think it’s again and I’ve said this on multiple calls, I think it's a great sign of how large terrific financial institutions that have customers and capital and all the wonderful things that banks have, can partner with very nimble financial technology firms that happens in our market structure very well. So I continue to be very enthused about the partnership.

Alex Blostein

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Got it, thanks. My other quick question was just around the tax reform and obviously it’s early days and nobody quite knows where things will shake out. But for you guys specifically, given the obvious new structure and kind of the way you account for taxes on an adjusted basis, if the tax rate were to go down to something let's say in the mid-20s range, can you give us a sense I guess like, how that would impact your adjusted results? And then more importantly, how does that impact the way you think about the spreads, I guess whether your competitiveness on the pricing side meaning that does that create a special opportunity because you guys have a lot of scale already and section enables you to provide pricing I guess in a tighter spread?

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Yes, in my prior life I used to be a lawyer, pretend I was a great tax lawyer but I actually wasn't. So I’m actually going to ask Joe to give a better answer than I could on what it means for our tax rate.

Joseph Molluso

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

No, you are right Alex, if the corporate tax rate all things being equal goes from the statutory rate 35 to a statutory rate of 25 we will benefit from that by 10% in terms of how we book taxes. I think the devil is always in the details and we presented on a pro forma basis because we think that’s the right way to do it and we think it – the right way to value the company is to assume we’re not in a structure and where, it fully taxed C-corp. So we would see no reason to generally the statutory rate is kind of where your effective rate hovers and we would expect that we would be right around the new statutory rate. And I know there's a lot of detail, lot of things being discussed about having more to do with manufacturing companies probably in a company like that, but we would, we would welcome our public company as a C-corp and pays s corporate taxes, so we would welcome that lower rate.

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

The only other comment Joe I would make is I should point out, our offshore operations are based in two lower corporate tax rate jurisdictions. So were in Ireland and in Singapore and both those rates are 12.5 and Singapore 15 or 17 dependent upon what the category is. So as a global company if the new Washington if you will lowered the corporate tax rates to 20% to 25% it really would help us as well because our offshore profits are below that. So we would have to move things around and restructure. And I think you also asked like how has it impacted the bid offer. I mean, I think one of the things that does not get talked about is, there is actually a financial transaction tax in the United States. It is called the Section 31 fee they call it a fee not a tax. But I'll tell you what, it is a tax. It definitely impacts where we can make bid offer spread and it impacts our profitability. It shows up in our variable expense line. So, people don’t talk about a lot, but it's pretty significant. I know it allegedly goes to fund the SEC and the excess goes to the “Treasury” but it is a big part of the bid offer spread. And candidly if that fee was reduced in a new administration with the new SEC Chairman taking a look at it, I mean that would actually help our U.S. equity results considerably.

Alex Blostein

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Got it. That’s very helpful. Thanks guys.

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Yes, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Ken Worthington with JP Morgan. Your line is open.

Ken Worthington

Analyst · JP Morgan. Your line is open

Hi, good morning. As we think about 2017 and the FX business, maybe talk a little bit about what are your priorities for kind of continuing to get that business to recover? NTR is still sort of, well below levels of experience over the last couple of years. I guess maybe how are you thinking about adjusting to both the ongoing market structure changes that the FX environment is sort of going through and then adjusting to just the lower levels of volatility, are there other things you can kind of invest in and due to kind of grow NTR to those prior levels?

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · JP Morgan. Your line is open

Yes, good question and I think, the further like I’ll say fragmentation efficiency the FX market actually is something that does, will and does favor a firm like Virtu. One of the things that we did in 2016 and we’ve seen some success already was further automate and scale that business. Five years ago, six years ago when we were trading FX and I have said this publicly and privately before, was we had access for cash platforms and the CME. Scroll forward to 2017 and there is literally dozens of platforms and brokers that we can make markets to for further dissemination of our price and our product offering has scaled considerably. So applying for Virtu automation and regular if you will to that asset class that's something that we really focused on in 2016 and we started to see some of the benefits in 2017. I think as that asset class becomes more transparent, as you see more competitors, as you perhaps see more kind of real-time price dissemination, as if you actually saw some type of centralized clearing, again I’m speculating, there is nothing in the works, all of those things Ken in terms of market structure are going to benefit Virtu because it’s going to start to feel a lot more like an equity style business than more of a bilateral spoke type of business and that’s obviously very good for uss. I think some of the other regulatory challenges like we're a significant market maker in the swaps products. If that becomes easier and under Dodd-Frank to do onshore in a competitive stuff environment, it is not that easy to do right now. It’s one of the unintended consequences I think of Dodd-Frank. I think that could be a significant uptick to us. So expanding the repertoire of pairs that we effectively make markets in maybe some, I'll call it sensible reformation of Dodd-Frank to enable more competition, I think there are a lot of unintended consequences in the FX market around Dodd-Frank. I think people can look at that and say, hey this really probably wasn't the driver of the financial crisis and Dodd-Frank has made it more difficult and more challenging for both dealers and non-dealer market makers to participate in certain type of products. So if there is some sensible reformation I’ll say at Washington that’s probably positive to our business, but again this is not a business where we’re going to go directly to buy side counterparties. We were very comfortable with the relationships we have with the big dealers. We’re not going to scale out and have a sales force and all that kind of stuff. I think there is a lot of room for a very efficient market maker like Virtu to take our prices and effectively redistribute them through business partners whether we call it banks, technology providers or exchanges, or ECNs whatever you want to call them, there is a lot of room for growth there.

Ken Worthington

Analyst · JP Morgan. Your line is open

Great, thank you very much.

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · JP Morgan. Your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from William Katz with Citigroup. Your line is open.

Jack Keeler

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is open

This is Jack Keeler filling in for Bill. Thanks for taking the questions this morning.

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is open

Yes, good morning.

Jack Keeler

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is open

First one on the Technology Services business, you mentioned you've had conversations with other financial institutions, just kind of curious how much of this has been you guys still being inbound calls versus reaching out to these institutions and I know you just mentioned about the sales force, I know it’s kind of an un-Virtu thing to do, but do you have any dedicated salespeople and is that something you would think about doing in the future?

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is open

Yes, I mean I guess on the lean salesman of Virtu not to be too flipping, but no, again there aren’t, it is not like there are 100 customers. I mean you could probably name on one or two hands the large financial institutions. I think the great news is because we're in the market and because we have relationships with your employer and just in every employer that’s on the phone and others that we do business with either as a trading partner or prime brokerage customer over the years and we have those relationships. So these were all inbound calls because obviously when there is noise around us entering into arrangements and doing various things, I think that raises eyebrows in corridors in the institutions and people say, hey I want to know what’s going on. Might this make sense for me to do something as well? And so, I think our reputation with most or all these financial institutions is stellar because we are transparent fully regulated market maker and we've had really good business relationships with these folks over the years. So, these aren’t commoditized products. We're looking for strong strategic partnerships. I know I'm being vague intentionally, but you kind of get it which is large institutions look at the efficiency scale and market structure, expertise that we can bring. Those are areas within large financial institutions that I understand having talked to executives at these financial institutions where they are kind of trying to figure out what they do and how they can become more efficient in providing services to their customers. We’re all trying to solve the same problem which is markets are getting more efficient and end-users are demanding efficiency in pricing. It seems like a natural fit because we as a general matter don't have customers, don't have relationships with the buy side, don't have research, don’t have IPO accounts, all those wonderful things that large financial institutions have and have developed over frankly centuries, it would be silly for us to try to compete with that and we would never do that. But how can you marry the efficiency scale and market structure expertise that we have with all the fantastic things that a large financial institution can bring? We've done that now in a couple of instances and might there be opportunity to do that again, absolutely.

Jack Keeler

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is open

Got it. Thanks and what are your thoughts can you give any, is there any color you could give on the pipeline for future Technology Services deals, is this something that you have conversations ongoing or is it in the future if more came out you would be interested in doing it?

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is open

I mean they are certainly ongoing as I said in my script, which means that we're in talks with people. They are at various stages though. Hey tell me what you guys do, does it make sense to let’s try something out, so you could see it this might work. Again, I don’t want to sit here and promise and say we’re going to sign up two of them in 2017 and this and that. What I've said is, this is not going to be a couple of dozen of business partners. We're a small firm and when we do these things we do them very intensely because we want to prove that we can really provide value to the business partners. This isn’t a question of setting up some commoditized technology, algo, licensing kind of business. There are plenty of firms that do that and I assume do it very, very well. What we can offer is really a holistic understanding of technology and market structure which we think is kind of unique because I feel the way that we make money understanding the markets and being really efficient. And if we can partner with somebody that needs that efficacy and understanding in a very, very efficient, not off the shelf kind of manner and we think it - and it works for them and it works for us we’ll do it. But again, I'm not going to sit here and promise that it will be X, Y, and Z over the next number of quarters because I think that would candidly be irresponsible.

Joseph Molluso

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is open

And remember just as you look at this, as you look at our financials as you see as we pointed out the Technology Services is where these revenues develop and the agency execution piece of it were developed hopefully in a more steady way as we kind of onboard customers as and that's just the equity, agency execution piece. I think what you are asking about is more the Technology Services/outsourcing which by nature is going to be lumpier.

Jack Keeler

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is open

Got it. Thanks guys and then Joe, just a question for you, obviously the expense for access [ph] was pretty strong year-over-year in 2016 and while it was a pretty challenging environment, if you see a similar environment in 2017 was there any kind of delayed spend or delayed investment 2016 that you are planning to use in 2017 instead or could you kind of stay at kind of run rate levels as the environment challenged?

Joseph Molluso

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is open

The answer to your question is no. There is not anything that we, that we did not report on expenses, any deferred expenses any delayed expenses and I would say emphatically yes, we can maintain the run rate and we will do what we have to do adjust the environment even if it got worse. So, we do have continued for us and we feel strongly, you've got to be able to make money in all kinds of environments including the quite core environment in the third quarter and fourth quarter.

Jack Keeler

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is open

Got it, thanks for taking my questions guys.

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is open

Thank you, Jack.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And I am showing no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back to Mr. Douglas Cifu for any closing remarks.

Douglas Cifu

Analyst · Buckingham Research. Your line is open

Thank you very much, operator. Again, we thank everyone for their interest in Virtu and for a very successful 2016. We look forward to even more success in 2017. Thank you everybody.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude today's program. You may all disconnect. Everyone have a great day.