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Operator
Operator
Good morning and welcome to the Vornado Realty Trust Third Quarter 2012 Earnings Call. My name is Christine, and I will be your operator for today’s call. (Operator Instructions) I will now turn the call over to Ms. Cathy Creswell, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
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Cathy Creswell
Management
Thank you. Welcome to Vornado Realty Trust’s third quarter earnings call. Yesterday afternoon, we issued our third quarter earnings release and filed our Form 10-Q with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These documents, as well as our supplemental financial information package, are available on our website, www.vno.com under the Investor Relations section. In these documents and during today’s call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. The reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in our earnings release, Form 10-Q and financial supplement. Please be aware that statements made during this call may be deemed forward-looking statements, and actual results may differ materially from these statements due to a variety of risks, uncertainties, and other factors. Please refer to our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our annual report on Form10-K, for more information regarding these risks and uncertainties. The call may include time sensitive information that may be accurate only as of today’s date. The company does not undertake a duty to update any forward-looking statements. On the call today from management for our opening comments are: Michael Fascitelli, President and Chief Executive Officer; David Greenbaum, President of the New York Division; Mitchell Schear, President of the Washington DC Division; and Joseph MacNow, Chief Financial Officer. In addition, Steven Roth, Chairman of the Board will be present for the duration of the call. I will now turn the call over to Michael Fascitelli.
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Michael Fascitelli
Management
Thanks, Cathy. Good morning and welcome to our third quarter earnings call. We are happy you are all joining us today and appreciate your time and attention. After my opening remarks, David Greenbaum will talk about our New York business and Mitchell Schear will talk about our Washington business, followed by Joe MacNow who will provide a financial overview of the quarter and then we’ll answer your questions. We will end at 11 o’clock. Before getting started, I would like to acknowledge the devastation the Northeast suffered from Hurricane Sandy. This tragedy which cost over 100 lives thus far and tens of billions of property damage affected our home base in New York and Washington, particularly in New York, which was hardest hit. I’m pleased to report that we suffered no personal injuries and only minor property damage. I want to thank all of our people for the incredible job they did and express our best wishes to all those affected by the hurricane as they recover. David and Mitchell will comment further, particularly David, on the specifics for their businesses. Overall, I’m quite satisfied with our third quarter results, which were $0.01 better than last year’s third quarter. In spite of the downward pressure coming from BRAC in Washington DC, an old story, it’s interesting to note that if Washington would have been leveled this year to last, we would have had comparable FFO performance over the prior year’s quarter of 7%. The Washington office market is sluggish and the New York office market, lacking support from the financial service industry, is locked in neutral. However, it is clear from our financial results that our New York portfolio is outperforming the market and our Washington portfolio is outperforming the projections we provided in our public filings. David and Mitchell…
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David Greenbaum
Management
Thanks you, Michael, and good morning to all. Before I turn to the results for the quarter, I do want to spend a minute talking about what we’ve been going through here at New York City over the past several days. We have contingency plans for almost all occurrences and last Friday, as we began to receive dire warnings, we implemented our emergency management procedures coordinating all of our personnel to have round-the-clock coverage in all of our buildings. Our engineers, porters, security guards and property management professionals, all were hunkered down during the storm. Some of them still today in buildings, which are dark, literally living in the buildings, sleeping in shifts on cots. I’m enormously proud of our team for securing all of our buildings during the storm, and for communicating on a real-time basis updates to all of our tenants. Most of our buildings did not lose power and have remained open throughout. Other than one small building directly in one of the flood zones downtown, which will take about a week to bring back, all of the buildings that lost power should be up and running as soon as Con Edison completes the repairs to its network, which we hope will take place this weekend. Now, let me turn to the quarter, while the overall market in New York is tepid, we’ve had a strong quarter. We leased over 500,000 square feet of office space in the third quarter, which took our office occupancy up 50 basis points to 95.8%. The highlights of our leasing activity this quarter are two headquarters consolidation deals, one in financial services and one in advertising. At 350 Park, we leased 103,000 square feet to M&T Bank in a renewal and expansion transaction, which allowed M&T to consolidate its Wilmington Trust…
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Michael Fascitelli
Management
Thanks, David. Let me turn it over to Mitchell Schear to discuss our Washington business.
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Mitchell Schear
Management
Thanks, Mike, and good morning to everybody. While we in Washington, largely dodged Sandy, I have an incredibly competent team on the ground that was fully prepared for the worst. Our colleagues in New York bore the brunt of it, and really did a yeoman’s job during this crisis. As you may know, our Washington portfolio is approximately 20 million square feet, concentrated in Washington DC and Arlington, Virginia, directly across the Potomac River in Crystal City, Pentagon City and Rosslyn. Our footprint is about twice the size of any of our peers. I want to start by contextualizing the Washington Metro market in general. Currently, market demand is soft, but not as soft as many believe as tenants await election results and clarity of the budget crisis. There is leasing activity in the market. In 2012, the gross leasing activity is expected to be about 32 million square feet, which is actually on par with the 15-year average. There is a lot of churn, but not yet enough absorption to eat into vacancies, especially in this peak BRAC year. Through three quarters of the year, there was negative absorption of about 2.5 million square feet in the market. Rents are holding steady, but concessions are up to attract tenants. Limited supply over the next several years will help to stabilize the market, but we don’t really expect the market to gain significant traction until 2014. Within our Washington portfolio, our year-to-date leasing velocity has been brisk, over 1.6 million square feet so far, well ahead of our projection for the full year. We are attracting good activity and consistently executing more than our fair share of deals at good rents. In fact, we have signed six new leases, each one of them over 50,000 square feet, as compared to…
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Michael Fascitelli
Management
Thanks, Mitchell. I wanted to cover a few things of retail, non- New York City retail and talk a minute about sustainability. Our retail strips and mall team continue to perform. In the quarter, we had an 8.8% GAAP mark-to-market and our occupancy was 93.4%. While the shake outs in the supermarket industry in the closings and downsizings associated with Best Buy and others are a concern, this nationwide trend is less important to us because of the concentration of assets we have in the densely populated high-barrier to entry affluent tri-state area. Our mall segment is much smaller and leaner now and the numbers show it. Occupancy is up11.6% to 94.2%. As a result of the Motorola Mobility Google lease and the EBITDA improved by $1.1 million to $13.7 million. The commitment of Motorola Mobility Google at the Merchandise Mart is having the positive ripple effect we thought it would have. We also benefited from restacking the showroom tenants in the building in a very efficient way. Let’s talk sustainability for a minute. We’ve been working very hard on this front. Our commitment to sustainability is highlighted in our annual sustainability report available on our website and reprinted in Steve’s Chairman letter. We think sustainability is not only good business and it’s morally responsible and works to increase our profits in the end. Most recently, we are proud that we ranked number one in (inaudible) of our entire industry. And we were 87th among America’s 500 largest publicly-traded companies and 500 largest companies internationally, that’s quite an achievement. By the end of 2012, we will have at least identified over 30 million feet in our portfolio, more than any other single owner nationwide. We are a leader in energy management and sub-metering and our efforts have resulted in significant reduction in energy consumption throughout our portfolio. In summary, we are very excited about the future of our great assets and businesses, which are run by a very talented management team. We will continue to make Vornado, a simpler company and improve the portfolio and recycle capital and increase asset quality. I’d like to turn it over to Joe MacNow for the financial review.
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Joe MacNow
Management
Thank you, Michael. Yesterday, we reported comparable funds from operations of $1.14 per share versus $1.13 per share in the prior year’s third quarter. Total funds from operations was $1.34 per share versus $1.05 per share in the prior year’s third quarter. First Call was $1.17 per share, as some analysts factor in non-comparable items into their estimates and others do not. Our non-comparable items in this quarter consisted of a $19.7 million after-tax gain on the sale of the Canadian Tradeshows, $12.5 million of FFO from discontinued operations and a $11.7 million gain on redemption of preferred units, $4.3 million of income from the mark-to-market of the JCPenney derivative position, partially offset by a $7 million Veridien impairment and other costs. As Mike indicated, we announced the sale of the Green Acres Mall for $500 million to the Macerich Company. Net proceeds from this sale will be $185 million after repaying the existing loan and closing costs. The gain for financial statement purposes will be approximately $195 million. The tax gain will be approximately $304 million and is expected to be deferred as part of a like kind exchange. The Green Acres sale is expected to be completed in the first quarter of 2013, and is conditioned on the closing of the Kings Plaza Mall. Alexander’s, our 32.4% owned affiliate, also announced the sale of Kings Plaza Mall for $751 million to Macerich. Net proceeds to Alexander’s from this sale will be $481 million after repaying the existing loan and closing costs. Alexander’s gain for financial statement purposes will be approximately $603 million of which Vornado’s 32.4% share will be approximately $181 million after adjusting for certain acquisition costs in Alexander’s stock. Alexander’s tax gain will be approximately $625 million, which is expected to be paid out to shareholders…
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. (Operator Instructions) And our first question is from George Auerbach of ISI Group. Please go ahead.
George Auerbach – ISI Group: Great. Thanks very much. Mitchell, with the BRAC moved outs largely behind you and the DC portfolio around 81% leased on the office side, how should we think about the timelines against that portfolio back to kind of the 90% occupied range, is that sort of a three to four year target or should we expect a bit of a longer lease up given some of the uncertainties you see?
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Michael Fascitelli
Management
Oh, even with my hearing aid, I have trouble hearing you. Can you talk a little louder?
George Auerbach – ISI Group: Yeah, sorry about that. Just asking Mitchell about the DC occupancy levels, clearly you’re sort of at a bottom now with the BRAC moveouts behind you, how should we think about getting the portfolio back to 90% occupancy, is that sort of a three to four year timeline or should that be a bit longer given the uncertainty in DC?
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Mitchell Schear
Management
As I said earlier, I think that our expectations for 2013 are relatively modest, and we expect to see traction in the marketplace starting in 2014. So, I would say that we’re looking at a couple of year period once we get into 2014 to really regain closer to our stabilized occupancies.
George Auerbach – ISI Group: Thanks, and Mike, you’ve had a successful year selling assets in 2012, I guess thinking about 2013, how do you see the pipeline of sales? How should we think about the level of potential proceeds and what would you put at the top of the list of your wish to sell list?
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Michael Fascitelli
Management
Well. I think, George, we’re going to continue to sell assets as we move into 2013, there’s still a considerable amount of assets that we’re – we want to sell and we will sell for over a period of time. I don’t want to specify exactly the order in which assets are going to be handled, but I think we’ll continue to do in a very measured and orderly way. And we will then look at each asset as we did in the case of Kings Plaza, we distributed that money, and here at Green Acres we’re doing a like kind exchange depending on its tax and its basis, how to handle that. The acquisition market is a competitive market. And we only are going to buy assets there where we think we’re getting very good long-term rate of return on an adjusted basis that meets our hurdle rate. So, it’s a process which I think we did a very good job so far and we’re going to continue to do that. And as we do that, we’ll obviously update you on the specifics in the quarterly calls and obviously in our filings. I will say this that we do have a very great effort that every asset that we sell, obviously improves the quality of the portfolio of anything that we would buy. So, that is one of the recycling themes that we will continue to emphasize.
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Cathy Creswell
Management
Next question?
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. Our next question is from Michael Bilerman of Citi. Please go ahead.
Michael Bilerman – Citi: Yeah. Good morning. Just sticking with the point, Mike, is there anything keyed up today, obviously the malls went through a big process and had unbelievable execution on those sales, so I’m just curious as we think about the more near-term next few quarters, is there anything sort of actively being marketed for sale and just that we understand the magnitude of potential near-term dispositions?
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Michael Fascitelli
Management
Thanks, Michael. I think – I take it that you like the execution on that by that question, so thank you. I think that we have – The Plant still on the market for sale, and obviously, we have several other assets right behind that that are coming to the market for totaling approximately $400 million to $500 million, and we’ll continue to do that as we go through the fourth quarter, and obviously into next year, these deals won’t close in the fourth quarter, of course. So, and then each asset just like we sold the asset in Philadelphia, which was not core and we will continue to sell assets here and there that we think don’t fit the geographies, that don’t fit the profile that we want to go forward to it. So, it’s a process that we will generate a considerable amount further proceeds from, but I don’t – Michael, I think as we go through, those are the two most immediate ones that we have on the market.
Michael Bilerman – Citi: And then just you said Steve was there, I don’t know if he’s taking questions, but I had a follow-up just for Steve, in terms of the rezoning on the East Side it was something Steve that you had talked about two letters ago. Obviously there has been some progress on that front, I’m just curious your take on where things stand today and what Vornado’s key opportunities would be in that potential rezoning?
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Steve Roth
Analyst
Hi Michael, obviously since I initiated the idea several years ago and reiterated it in the second letter, we think it’s a good idea. We think it’s extremely important just to focus for a moment on Park Avenue, which I guess we in New York consider to be the number one corporate thoroughfare in the world actually, that it has the kind of economic incentives that developers need to tear down obsolete buildings and build new buildings. So, we’re very – actually we’re very pleased that the powers that be are working on it. The Bloomberg Administration is in its twilight years, they’re trying to rush a plan through and we hope they succeed and we think it will be good for New York.
Michael Bilerman – Citi: Thank you.
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Michael Fascitelli
Management
Next question?
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Operator
Operator
Our next question is from Anthony Paolone of JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
Anthony Paolone – JP Morgan: Thank you. Good morning. Last quarter you said New York City rents were rising modestly and so I was just wondering if financial services kind of stays in this bit of a respite state, do you think there’s the risk that as Lower Manhattan product comes online next year, we can take a step backwards or do you think there’s enough absorption in other industries to kind of keep that modest growth going?
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Michael Fascitelli
Management
I’ll let David take a shot at that one.
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David Greenbaum
Management
I think generally what we’re seeing in the market is basic equilibrium. The expectation is that the actual availability/vacancy rate Downtown as some of the new product, the World Trade Center and some of the buildings where tenants will be relocating Downtown to Midtown that we’re going to be seeing some much higher vacancy rates Downtown. I think generally though what we’re seeing still to date is continuing job growth in New York. Year-to-date, we’ve had about 30,000 – 40,000, I think the number is about 43,000 office sector jobs, actually met just yesterday with one of the brokerage houses and their Chief Economist and the projections for 2013 are continuing job growth with actually acceleration as we get into 2014 – 2015. So, I think next year is going to be relatively flat, I think as we get out to 2014 and 2015, I feel better about some growth in rents.
Anthony Paolone – JP Morgan: Okay. And then just another question, maybe this is for Joe, as you guys pass special here, sell some retail which generally tends to have less CapEx than say office. How should we think about the dividend and AFFO or FAD on a go-forward basis as you get some pressure from those things perhaps and also you’ll have the – in the next few years some lease up of DC, which will probably bump up CapEx, I’d imagine?
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Joe MacNow
Management
No, fortunately some of that asset disposition, lack of FFO and taxable income going forward is offset by growth in our other businesses. So, the board tries to get the dividend to be somewhere close to recurring taxable income and I think that will continue and I don’t think there is much upward pressure on a taxable income in 2013, but there is certainly no downward pressure on it either.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. Our next question is from Jamie Feldman of Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.
Jamie Feldman – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Great, thank you. Good morning. I’m hoping you guys can talk a little bit more about your latest thoughts on JCPenney kind of where do you think we are in the restructuring plan and what’s your appetite for investment going forward?
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Steve Roth
Analyst
This is Steve. Everybody is looking at me for that answer. So, Jamie, hi, first of all, we remain committed to the investment. JCPenney will report their quarter a week from today, next Friday. Management is executing a plan of enormous change on that business, enormous change. This year, which is the transition year, is a difficult year. It’s actually no secret that it’s proving out to be more difficult than the management team thought. The second year, the recycle that begins in 90 days on February 1, 2013. We remain committed to the investment. We believe that the transformation of the – and the creation of a unique retailer and what Rod Johnson calls a specialty department store has the prospects of being enormously successful. This is a tough period. We understand that, but we remain committed to the investment. Thanks.
Jamie Feldman – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: So are there certain benchmarks that are kind of goals that you want to see hit by in a certain amount of time? Like how do you judge when it’s time to get out?
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Steve Roth
Analyst
I really can’t answer that question. Obviously, the business is complicated. Obviously, we monitor the performance very carefully. I and other large investments are on the board there. And I really can’t say anything more about that, Jamie.
Jamie Feldman – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: All right. Thank you.
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Steve Roth
Analyst
Thank you.
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Michael Fascitelli
Management
Next question?
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Operator
Operator
Our next question is from Chris Caton of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Chris Caton – Morgan Stanley: David, thanks for your commentary on New York. I was hoping you could revisit the retail. You mentioned rents I think are at peak levels, can you talk about that dynamic a bit? How have they trended over the past year or two, and to what extent has that been driven by the strength in retail sales and to what extent is that a desire by retailers to have a flagship store and accept a higher occupancy cost? Do you think the rents can continue to experience outsized growth?
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David Greenbaum
Management
I think the three markets where we’ve really seen some significant growth in rents over the last year plus are on Fifth Avenue and Fifth Avenue effectively really is two segments from about 51st Street North and South 51st to 42nd Street, Madison Avenue and then Times Square, of course. We’ve probably seen the single largest increase in rents on Fifth Avenue in the quarter from 42nd to 51st Street seeing rents effectively over the last year approximately double to a tad in excess of that. As I said earlier, on Upper Fifth Avenue, we’ve really seen rents approaching $3,000 a foot and that was in fact validated with the deal that we did at 689 Fifth Avenue with MAC earlier this year. And, again on Madison Avenue, we’ve seen extraordinary strengths in the market. We have closed a number of deals at 11 East 68th Street, again at rents at and above $1,000 a foot. I think as you look at some of the sales numbers, I guess the comment I’ll make is, Times Square is an extraordinary market because it almost a 24/7 market. As we’ve looked at some of our retailers, some of them have approached sales per square foot of $6,000, $7,000 and $8,000 a foot on some small stores. So, I don’t think these things are just “advertisements and branding”. I think companies today and especially a number of the fast retailers that do their own production, these stores really are making money for them.
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Michael Fascitelli
Management
I’d just comment also that SoHo has had a pretty good run in rents, also. In that (inaudible) if you look at retail, as David said in his comments, we have great well-located assets with a lot of rollover that will produce substantial mark-to-market gains. And even if there’s a pause in these rents at this level, it’s going to be enormous mark-to-market and the demand for these assets are worldwide and the tenants, as David mentioned, and also the shoppers are worldwide, in terms of tourism around the world as well as tourism within the United States. So, we expect these markets to be very good long-term. There won’t be a straight line up, there may be a pause as the market absorbs these new rental levels, but then you see more tenants trying to drive that. So, bullish – we’re very bullish on this over the long-term.
Chris Caton – Morgan Stanley: Thanks for that. And then – and the follow-up is on that mark-to-market. So, as you look at some of the renewals or expirations you get over the next few years, to what extent do you expect the tenants to renew in place and to what extent do you think you need to rebuild out the space?
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Michael Fascitelli
Management
It varies by case, I think – and take 640 Fifth Avenue in which H&M was their original flagship store which have gone up substantially, multiples, they chose to relocated to a cheaper site, and reduce – and so still have an increase in existing rent, but not the size of that, and we’ll backfill that space with tenants that will generate substantial multiples than what they were paying, but it’s case-by-case. Some tenants will renew, some tenants will downsize and renew, some tenants will seek more value-oriented locations, but it’s hard to make a generalization, but you want the space to be desired by multiple peoples so you could push the rent vis-à-vis existing tenant or the tenants that might come in to occupy that.
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David Greenbaum
Management
The only thing – it’s David, that I might add to that is at 640 with H&M having announced the relocation, it actually is a great opportunity for us, that lease comes up in 2015. We’re out there now marketing the space. We expect actually, if we want we can get our hands on it probably sometime around the middle of next year.
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Michael Fascitelli
Management
Next question?
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. Our next question is from Alex Goldfarb of Sandler O’Neill. Please go ahead.
Andrew Schaffer – Sandler O’Neill: Thank you. It’s actually Andrew Schaffer here. First I just wanted to get some additional color on your investment host and how the 5.2% return was arrived at versus a usual developer 8% plus hurdle?
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Joe MacNow
Management
Hi, Alex. It’s Joe. Well of course you might expect that that was a negotiation and you’re right. There is a lease that gives us effective control over the retail redevelopment at the base and that lease calls for annual payments of $12.5 million a year plus a share of the growth in cash flow that comes from the redevelopment that we do. But, the underlying – and Marriott has an ability to put it to us after the retailers made a separate condominium from the hotel and we have a right to take it from them in a certain number of years. (Inaudible) Alex were you able to hear that?
Andrew Schaffer – Sandler O’Neill: I can’t. It’s actually Andrew and I cannot hear that.
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Joe MacNow
Management
Okay. What Steve said was, that the 5.2% was calculated based upon the existing cash flow. If it was a market price deal, the first digit would’ve been a four or maybe even a three with a high second digit. So, we have a capital lease for $240 million, we have a capital lease liability for the same amount on the balance sheet. The income statement won’t have any effect until it gets out of development and that’s about the summary.
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Michael Fascitelli
Management
I want to just comment on, I know you guys focus on the going in yields on any of these deals. And it’s not unimportant, but it isn’t how we look at things. We look at the overall return we can create over a period of time. Sometimes we’re buying well below market lease and that would justify a much lower cap rate that we could turn in a period of years into a much higher yield. And we look – and so the 5.2% doesn’t really relate to the overall cost of capital of 8%. It’s really what the asset can perform and generate over a period of time. So whether it’s the Marriott deal or whether it’s another deal, we look at that over a period of a holding period which could be as long as five to ten years or longer and then that has to meet that – clear that hurdle of our cost of capital.
Andrew Schaffer – Sandler O’Neill: That definitely makes sense. I was just trying to get a better understanding of that negotiation. And secondly, I was just trying to get a better understanding of what it would take in relation to the Kings Plaza sale for you to take or exercise your right to get this $30 million in stock from Macerich and if that’s completely rated for tax purposes?
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Michael Fascitelli
Management
Yes. Yes.
Andrew Schaffer – Sandler O’Neill: Okay, that was simple. All right, thank you very much.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. We have five minutes left in this call. And we’ll take one more question. The next question is from Michael Knott of Green Street Advisors. Please go ahead.
Michael Knott – Green Street Advisors: Hi, everybody. Hey, Mike I assume it’s fair to say that, that Vornado expects to remain a net seller next year. But on the investment side of the coin, just curious where you may see the best opportunities today?
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Michael Fascitelli
Management
I’m not going to speculate. We’re certainly going to sell assets. If we found great acquisitions, we would certainly proceed with those. We’ve been focusing on the core markets that we’re in, we’re focusing on the street retail in New York, as David mentioned before, particularly for value-added opportunities that may come with some releasing down the road or redevelopment down the road. Nyack is a good example of that, David, there’s a process to go through, adding additional space, really working that asset over a period of time, to try to pay, as Joe mentioned, a $5.2 existing income going substantially up. So, street retail in New York with value-added components is particularly a focus. We’re looking at a lot of office buildings, I think there’s an escalating volume of office deals coming to the market as we go into the fourth quarter and into next year. Bigger deals that might provide some opportunity. Obviously, if there’s a lease rollover in some of those that will take place down the road, that could affect the – obviously pricing could affect the return potential. So – and in DC, we haven’t seen much distress in asset sales, despite what a negatively viewed market. If we saw a break here – we’ve obviously been a net seller in DC, and we look at all these markets to try to find a deal that fits our parameters, Michael. So, I would say the acquisition market is not easy to find deals right now, that meet that criteria because there’s more money and more demand for it than I think the deals volume right now suggests. So, we’ll continue to look at it and whether we’ll be a net seller or whether we will continue to sell remains to be seen.
Michael Knott – Green Street Advisors: Thanks. And then if I can ask one other question if we have time. I’m just curious on Toys ‘R’ Us, would you give a quick comment maybe on your thoughts on prospects for the business heading into the holiday period? And then with respect to a holding period, should we continue to assume that we’re probably looking at maybe 2014 as maybe the soonest exit, you could probably do from that business, from that investment?
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Michael Fascitelli
Management
Oh, yeah. And we’re right in the – I’ll comment on the first part of that question. First, we’re right in the middle of obviously the beginning of the holiday season which has been a little bit disruptive this week by the massive problems in the Northeast. But our hopes are good for this season. I’m not going to comment specifically but we’re in that period right now on the numbers, but obviously we’ll have a better view of that post-Christmas. And the opportunities, as I said previously, and all the sponsors are looking for a very good exit at the right time. So, I would think that 2013 and 2014 will be a focus on how we monetize that investment.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you. That’s all the time we have for questions. I will now turn the call back over to Michael Fascitelli.
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Michael Fascitelli
Management
I want to thank you all for tuning in and giving us your attention and time. We know this is a particularly difficult time for many of you with offices in New York and maybe not even in offices in New York. We always appreciate your comments and we appreciate your questions. And we look forward to our third conference call coming up hopefully without the circumstances we’ve had in the first two. So, we’ll see you all later. Thank you.
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Operator
Operator
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today’s conference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.