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Q3 2011 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 27, 2011

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Operator

Operator

Good day everyone and welcome to the Mack-Cali Realty Corporation Third quarter 2011 Conference Call. Today’s call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to President and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Mitchell Hersh. Please go ahead sir.

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Thank you, operator. Good morning everyone and thank you all for joining Mack-Cali’s third quarter 2011 earnings conference call. With me today are Barry Lefkowitz, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer and Michael Grossman, Executive Vice President. On a legal note, I must remind everyone that certain information discussed on this call may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Federal Securities Law. Although we believe the estimates reflected in these statements are based on reasonable assumptions. We cannot give assurance that the anticipated results will be achieved. We refer you to our press release and annual and quarterly reports filed with the SEC for risk factors that could impact the Company. First, I’d like to review some of our results and activities for the quarter and what we’re generally seeing in our market, then Barry will review our financial results and Michael give you an update on our leasing results. We had a solid quarter here at Mack-Cali. FFO for the third quarter were $0.73 per diluted share. As you’ve seen in the press release, we did have significant leasing activity during the quarter totaling almost $1.25 million square feet of lease transactions. There were 136 transactions of which approximately 300,000 square feet were new and the balances were renewals. This reflected in an end of quarter occupancy of 88.2%, which was slightly up from $88.1 million last quarter. This also reflected a 78% retention rate and so far year-to-date in 446 transactions. We released almost 3.5 million square feet of which (indiscernible) square feet are a new transactions with a balance, renewals, and retained. Rents for the quarter roll down by approximately 3.4% compared to last year’s 9.1% roll down and so of course that’s favorable. For the balance of 2011, remaining rollovers are just 1.4%…

Barry Lefkowitz

Management

Thanks, Mitchell. In the third quarter of 2011, net income available to common shareholders amounted to $20.5 million or $0.24 per share as compared to $30 million or $0.16 per share for the same quarter last year. FFO for the quarter amounted to $72.9 million or $0.73 per share versus $64.3 million or $0.69 per share in 2010. Included a net income in FFO for the quarter ended September 30, 2011 was approximately $6 million or $0.06 per share in net real-estate tax refunds. Other income in the quarter included approximately $674,000 in lease termination fees as compared to 639,000 for the same quarter last year. Same-store net operating income, which excludes lease termination fees increased by 2.4% in a GAAP basis and 3.7% on a cash basis for the third quarter without the effect of the real-estate tax refunds, same-store net operating income decreased by 3% on a GAAP basis and 1.9% on a cash basis for the third quarter. Our same-store portfolio for the quarter was 30.8 million square feet, our encumbered portfolio at quarter end totaled 237 properties aggregating $24.5 million square feet, which represents about 78.6% of our portfolio. At September 30th, Mack-Cali’s total undepreciated book assets equaled $5.7 billion and our debt undepreciated assets ratio was 33.2%. We had interest coverage of 3.3 times and fixed charge coverage of 3.2 times for the third quarter of ’11. Currently, we have $95.5 million outstanding on the $600 million revolver. We have now arranged the FFO guidance for 2011 to 277 to 281 per share. We have provided initial guidance for 2012 in the range of 250 to 270 a share. At the midpoint, our assumptions include leasing starts of 2.3 million square feet for the year versus scheduled exploration of 2.7 million square feet. End of 2012 occupancy about a 100 basis points below our September 30, 2011 level of 88.2%. Short-term borrowing rate averaging 1.75% for 2012 and payoff of maturing bonds to the line and no terming out of the debt until the end of the year. No acquisitions resumed in our guidance at the midpoint and assume development in the model includes continued construction of the previously announced Phase II headquarters for Wyndham Worldwide and Parsippany New Jersey which is expected to come online in the first half of 2013. Please note that under SEC Regulation G concerning non-GAAP financial measures such as FFO we are acquired to provide an explanation of why we believe such financial measures are relevant and reconcile them to net income. Available on our website at www.mack-cali.com on our supplemental package and earnings release, which includes the information required by Reg G as well as our 10-Q. Now, Mike will cover our leasing activity. Mike?

Michael Grossman

Management

Thanks, Barry. Our consolidated portfolio was 88.2% lease at September 30th as compared to 80.1% at the end of the second quarter. Third quarter leasing activity in our portfolio totaled approximately $1.2 million square feet including 280,000 square feet of new leases. Our tenant quarter was 78.4% of that growing space. Our remaining 2011 rollover is approximately 350,000 square feet or 1.2% of our leased space. In 2012, expirations totaled $2.7 million square feet representing 10% of leased space, the 2012 expirations awaited in the third quarter with reminder evenly divided over the balance of the year. The percentage of overall vacancy represented by sublease base continues to decline in most of our markets, but still averages about 12.4% of overall vacancy.

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Thanks Mike. In closing our prepared remarks, I would just say and reiterate that with the ongoing uncertainty in the economy and clearly a lack of meaningful job growth to this point. Our goal is to continue to remain focused on procuring and securing as many new leases and renewals as we can to keep our portfolio as fully occupied as we can. We think we’ve done it in a smart way made some pretty good economic transaction in the marketplace and we believe that would premier assets that are extremely well located along with the team of professionals that represent this company and service our tenants. We clearly expect to be at fore front of the eventual market recovery given the fact that there is been virtually no new supply added to the market place. As well and as I previously discussed on the last earnings call we are advancing a planned, residential development down at harbor side along the waterfront New Jersey City, we are working diligently to complete our joint venture agreements which we expect to be done immediately at which time we would then announce our partnership. We have been working aggressively with the city and the redevelopment authority in advancing, the planning for this proposed residential development. We would probably expect Phase I to be somewhere in the neighborhood of a $400 million project of which Mack-Cali would have 85% of the economics, little too early to predict the completion date. But it’s something that clearly is on the horizon for us and so with that we will conclude our prepared remarks and the open the floor to questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) And we’ll take our first question from Sloan Bohlen with Goldman Sachs. Sloan Bohlen – Goldman Sachs: Hi, good morning. Mitchell, could you may be give a little bit more color on what’s your guys return expectations would be for the development New Jersey City. And then in addition to that Barry whether you guys have taken a look at what the construction financing market looks like for something that magnitude?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

We expect a return on a stabilized basis, and on leverage basis of approximately 7% on that development it’s a little too early to discuss the financing other than to say that we know that construction financing in the 60% range is available for these types of project and permanent financing that is as well available more in the 75% range, somewhere and again we’re in a ever changing world than in evolving world, particularly I guess today with the potential EU solutions but somewhere around 5.5% including amortization. So that’s what the world looks like as we speak. Sloan Bohlen – Goldman Sachs: Okay. And thoughts even just initially on what the time to stabilization would be on projects like that?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Well we’re hopeful that it’s in a three year time range from where we are today. Sloan Bohlen – Goldman Sachs: Okay. And then one other question on Jersey City, the Brookfield sale of the Newport Tower, can you maybe talk a little bit about where you saw pricing was for that asset what was the underwriting for what you think the underwriting might have been for winning better

Michael Grossman

Management

Bob we’ve of course we underwrote it and took a very careful look at it. I believe that the asset was acquired at approximately a 5% yield. And close to what we can develop new product for. Again it was a high quality asset but still 20 years old. And had some issues with respect to termination options and part of tenants and other things that we underwrite very carefully in our we’re thinking and what market exposure might be at the time of termination options in the term of expiration. So clearly our pricing wasn’t in that zone for that asset when three blocks away we have approvals in place to build similar size asset for roughly the same pricing level and presumably coming into a stronger market when we would continue to doing that. So that’s where I think the pricing was about 375 million the new launches to again some of the tenant leases but that’s between that the purchaser which was a Canadian pension fund/REIT and Brookfield. Sloan Bohlen – Goldman Sachs: Okay. And then just one question if I could on guidance. Barry you talked a little bit about the occupancy assumptions. Can you talk about maybe what your rent expectations or lease rent spreads are for your leases next year? And then maybe any just general color on early negotiations with those renewals.

Barry Lefkowitz

Management

The assumptions that we made with respect to the, we see rents pretty flat at this point. I mean, so we don’t see any deterioration in the marketplace the midpoint of guidance reflects of the fact that when you do have a bit of our valley particularly in the mid part of the year with some expirations in the ramp up of replacement tenants will not the full impact so we’ll not be fully felt in 2012. So that’s really what we see in terms of how we established the guidance each point of occupancy is close to $0.08 per share. With respect to velocity in the marketplace we have certainly challenges are ahead of us in 2012. We have a couple of larger expirations that I know that the analyst community or have asked about we’ve talked about and it’s been in some of your notes they are at the very end of 2012 and we have some midyear expirations in the 75 to 100,000 food range. And so we have to do lot of leasing through 2012 and then again towards the end of the year. What we’re seeing right now is sort of a flat maybe slightly up year–over–year, tenant call or demand a lot of the space requirements many of the space requirements are of the smaller variety. So, we have lot of deals to do we do space call analysis every week. And we see more of the 10,000 food variety then we do the 25,000 food verity these days some of the demand is being generated as hopefully as make sound by the pharmaceutical industry. And the variety of industries that are either in marketing or drug type industry. So, that’s composes a lot of what we’re seeing in the marketplace today. Up in…

Mitchell Hersh

Management

You are welcome.

Operator

Operator

Moving on, we will take our next question, comes from Jordan Saddler from Keybanc Capital Markets

Jordan Saddler - Keybanc Capital Markets

Analyst · Keybanc Capital Markets

Thanks good morning, just wanted to dig into the VanDom development, congratulations on that you have mentioned that on the last call so good to put that to bed. Are those tenants coming from within the portfolio or is that coming from outside, is there an expansion or reduction net of space, just a curiosity.

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Right now VanDom lease another building site from the new headquarters building that we built from them, it’s about 146 foot building, so clearly if and when they would take that building and move into the new headquarters in the early part of 2013 or the mid part of 2013. It represents a gain of about 55,000 square feet. VanDom is in fact a growing company as you know and so their plans are to continue to grow the company and to continue to locate people at the headquarters location at the privileged model coincidently. They are introducing Steve Homes at a launch, who is the of VanDom made the deal with if you will so there are growing company there are international worldwide company and we will see how it goes. Jordan Saddler – Keybanc Capital Markets: Okay. And then you mentioned pharmaceutical expansions I was just curious you have the relationship with Sanofi and there has been following sort of the merger, some speculation that they are looking for significant square footage up in the Boston/Cambridge area, do you know happen to know if there if that will be a relocation or net expansion and just any commentary on sort of their position in your portfolio?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

I don’t know. We have just commenced a 15-year lease with Sanofi on 200 and 4,000 square feet, which is part of their corporate headquarters location. Sanofi does occupy other leased facilities in the Bridgewater area, those leases which are probably a year from expiration or so could be the ones that they are talking about in connection with the Cambridge location. But in so far as we know we have the headquarters location. There is absolutely no plan to relocate that headquarters that I am aware of. They have just invested considerable capital in moving 1000s of people into the Bridgewater location. So, beyond that Jordan, I don’t know what they are thinking right now. Jordan Saddler – Keybanc Capital Markets: Okay, that’s fair. And then you touched on some of these larger tenant expirations, two ways, for instance, you’ve got something progress potentially. Can you comment on as we try to get a handle on what’s going to happen over the next year or two? IBM has a 250,000 square foot expiration leased for 150, Prentice-Hall is reportedly moving into Hoboken, New York. Can you comment on those basis in particular?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Well, first of all, the first look at the Prentice-Hall situation is obviously more of a 2015 event, because it’s end of year 2014 expiration. So, it’s a little to – it’s somewhat premature to read the tealeaves on that beyond they are announced or they discussed relocation into Hoboken and New York City. So, that’s a bit away right now in terms of timing. The IBM situation, the expectation based on discussions with them is they were going to backfill some of their corporate-owned facilities up in Westchester and not extend that lease for that quarter of the million square feet, again end of 2012 expiration, but they haven’t confirmed that. I mean, we have had these discussions with them and they do have some specialized installations in the building, but the expectation is that they are going to leave based on the preliminary information. The advantage that we have with respect to that asset in particular is that it’s located in the heart of the medical college in Westchester medical facility. So, you have the medical school and the entire health centre epicentre up there. They have - clearly the medical college has expressed serious interest in a significant amount of space in the building and we are advancing those discussions with them, because it’s the buildings right in the heart of their campus. So, that’s what I can tell you at this juncture relative to Skyline. And again with respect to promise Paramus, which I talked about a little bit before, we have a tenant that they by all indication are going to go to direct with us on a 11-year lease and we have some level of activity on the larger scope, whether these transactions happen too early to tell, but we do see some level of activity there. Jordan Saddler – Keybanc Capital Markets: And lastly on the Credit Suisse one, any comment?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Well we are finalizing the transaction with another existing tenant that we think will take up a large part of the Credit Suisse space. Jordan Saddler – Keybanc Capital Markets: Last question on the residential, just curious about the fundamentals in Jersey City, specifically along the waterfront, what you are seeing in terms of market vacancy, market rent trends for residential?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Well, again it depends on the product, but we expect to achieve rents in a $40 foot range, market vacancies particularly along the waterfront for rental housing are very low. There seems to be an insatiable demand or workforce or workplace type housing, smaller units averaging even sub 1000 square feet, 850 square feet. And there are other projects that are being planned. We have an absolutely premier location. We are right along all of the master and public transportation systems with the light rail and the water ferries and the past as well as of course the vehicular access. So, we have tremendous view carters, tremendous location, amenities that continue to expand in the community and we are going be careful in the sense that our current planning is for three phases of residential development totaling if we build it all out somewhere between 1,800 and 1,900 units over an extended period of time. But at the present time, given the residential rental market, given all of the issues that you are very familiar with regarding home ownership and demographic trends and the difficult and affordability with respect to single-family home ownership and obtaining mortgages and all the things that all the (pundits) talk about all day long on the media – on the business channels. We think we will do extremely well with a very high-end product along the waterfront. Jordan Saddler – Keybanc Capital Markets: And that $400 million is excellent, this is incremental?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

The land is going into the venture at $30 a square foot in FAR, so it includes the imputation of the land. And that’s a rough number at this point. Jordan Saddler – Keybanc Capital Markets: Okay, thanks Mitch.

Mitchell Hersh

Management

You’re welcome.

Operator

Operator

Moving on we will take our next question from Sheila McGrath from KBW. Sheila McGrath – KBW: Yes, good morning. Mitch, external growth via acquisition still is not a meaningful part of your strategy. Would you say it’s because of the lack of assets for sale in the market, are you participating in putting in bids and not successful?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

The answer is we have put in bids. We have underwritten a number of assets including Newport. Right now, 10 Exchange Place is on the market, which is adjacent to our harbor side facility. And I would tell you that certain yields and pricing levels given what we know about markets and given exposure sometimes I’d rather be the competing landlord than paying 5% free and clear and replacement costs are above in areas where you really can’t build anything like Jersey City. Then just step up and pay up, because there is no growth. And so it might make a nice splash to buy a million square foot building one day headline, but you can’t get any real economic benefit out of it other than more market share. So, you need to be very, very careful and we bid on metropolitan plaza down in the Meadowlands. And you have such an abundance of capital, the wall of capital that sometimes pays a dear price without understanding all of intricacies of the marketplace. Sometimes they are more of institutional funds involved and they do things that we simply won’t do to, because they are not economic. And so that’s why, I mean, we have been called into the second rounds, if you will, of biting on a couple of assets. And there is just a threshold at which the flatness of the yield opportunity, the risk involved in understanding tenants and their growth patterns and their termination options, just you don’t have caused us not to see the value in what we have seen so far in the marketplace. Now, whether that will change? I mean, it seems to me that underwriting standards at least on the part of mortgages have only gotten increasingly more difficult. And so we are hopeful we don’t like to see the stress and we have all talked about this for three years and haven’t seen a lot of it. But with our liquidity and our fortress balance sheet, we think that at the appropriate time we will be able to step into some situations that require expertise as well as capital and that’s what we are trying to do. Look I am sure our money is as good as anybody else’s. We could have paid 5% for Newport and owned it, but we didn’t choose to do it at that economic basis. Sheila McGrath – KBW: Okay. And real quick on the real estate tax run-rate, would you say that in fourth quarter we should see the level of bounce back up to what it was in second quarter?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Yes, I mean, the third quarter was a settlement and it was an anomaly from that perspective. It was a great result for us largely led by (Tony Crook) who is our Senior Vice President of Finance who orchestrated that sort of the whole (indiscernible) appeal issue and we would expect now a more normalized run rate if you will on that. Sheila McGrath – KBW: Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Moving on, we will take our next question from Michael Bilerman from Citi. Michael Bilerman – Citi: Hi, I just want to come back to guidance for a second. So, your 250 to 270 is a quarterly run rate of call it $0.63 to $0.68 with the midpoint being $0.65. You are running basically this quarter and next that about $0.67 on a core basis. I think you mentioned the $100 million bonds that are coming due at the beginning of the year, March going to be floater on the line and that’s probably a good 300 to 400 basis point spread. So, you are looking at it a penny or quarter of upside and it sounds from an occupancy perspective you are heading into the fourth quarter with higher occupancy in the third quarter. And so I am struggling and I know Mitch you talked about some move-outs in the middle of the year, but I am really struggling to see how you go down to this in the lower part the range of 63 to 65 and even how you don’t get to 67, 68 for the full year. Can you help reconcile some of these numbers?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Sure, Michael. I will give you sort of our quarterly analysis which starts in Q1 of ‘12 at 65 to goes to 68, 65, 64, that actually produces $2.61 at a midpoint at this jointure we think aside from the absolute occupancy and a little bit of a valley that we are going to hit and sort of average 100 basis point decline, we do have about a 3.5% same-store NOI decline. And frankly, we talked over the course of 2010 at that 3% to 5% range. We tightened it up. We think we are pretty accurate and so far as how we see the world today at about 3.5% down. So, we aggregate all of those factors. You are coming out plus or minus a penny or two at the 260 mid range. Clearly, you are absolutely right hit it right on the head with respect to the bond deal. If we don’t have to, we have plenty of line capacity, there is no necessity to go replace that 100 million in January. And we will keep it on the line at 150 over or 125 over plus our facility fee. We got plenty of capacity we will see how the bond market moves. And if we do some acquisitions through the course of the year, then we can do an index eligible bond issue at an appropriate level. Right now, nobody knows where that is. We see the same things you see. And the latest pricing clock is at least for Baa2 which is our rating is 3 to 3.25 over the corresponding yield, maybe that will change, because of the EU settlement, some stability in the world. But right now, we are not anxious to be the bellwether in the bond market, but if you factor these things together, I mean, that’s where the numbers are coming out at the moment. Michael Bilerman – Citi: But I guess what’s happening between this quarter, you are at $0.67, the fourth quarter you are going to be at $0.67, what’s happening the first quarter to then drop down to $0.65 and in that $0.65, it sounds like you are floating the bonds, so the reality is – it’s really $0.03 spread or 3 million bucks. I mean that’s not, it means a big change sequentially. I can sort to get a little bit comfortable that there are some move-outs and you want to protect yourself and you are obviously baking in only 2.3 million square feet of leasing even though you’ve been doing a 1.25 million, but I am just trying to even the starting point seems really, really low.

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Well look, I think we have had this discussion before. We are trying to be – we are a bit conservative, but we are trying to be accurate. We can’t predict expenses. Last year, we got creamed on snow removal and energy cost, because of the severity of the winter. We are trying to be a little bit conservative, but we are trying to be accurate. So, maybe you are right, maybe it’s a penny off for the quarter, you are perhaps a better predictor than we are, but that’s all it is. We are not talking about orders of magnitude that are significant. Michael Bilerman – Citi: Right. And there is nothing happening in terms of the management company income like all the construction levels or lease termination fees or G&A that would be widely different from what they were in ’11?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

No, no. Our run rate is about 9.25 million on G&A. We see that flat. We see construction. It’s not even worth talking about the differentials there. We might make a little money, but basically it’s more of a service organization. So, you may be right, maybe it’s a penny or two differential but that’s all it is. Michael Bilerman – Citi: And then what were least termination fees in the quarter?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

The least term in the quarter were pretty low. They were $674,000.

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Okay. And then just lastly dispositions, you talked little bit about the acquisition environment and not wanting to participate effect of those yields and basically just (indiscernible), but does that and your leverage is already extraordinarily low. And so it doesn’t do anything on that, but that doesn’t make sense to be more aggressive at selling assets and buying back your stock if it’s your portfolio, you know the best that you think is trading at a discount, why just certainly have a Chairman that’s familiar with doing leverage recaps and why not do that, why not pursue that sort of strategy.

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Yeah, well. First of all we’re in the business of doing what we do so and we’re not an arbitrage hedge fund where we’re trying to be other things to other people. We were in the business of owning and managing quality real-estate where we have market presence, that’s a meaningful and gives us a competitive advantage. There were clients at the few years ago and I’ve talked about this looking where we’re looking a sale, we were considering some of flex product in South Jersey and the perspective buyer got clip by Avalanche or Tsunami that occurred in the financial markets. And I can tell you that largely, I mean I’m not talking about our peer group in the REIT industry or Canadian pension funds that our third-party managers to buy (trophy) assets and manage them for them to kind of product that we would be selling is the identified buyer of that kind of product would be a leverage private operator. And that sort of leverage doesn’t exist today in the banking market or the insurance company market. We just went through reify of a small asset or JPMorgan is our partner. We have a minority interest in an asset of pristine asset. If I tell you what the banks put us through to for a simple loan. The underwriting is severe at least and I am talking for assets that our $25 million to $100 million or $25 million to $50 million, I’m not talking about billion dollar assets were a pension fund just like to check or we just like to check. And so that the execution risk in putting anything up for sale and getting into the – if I showed you the list of acquisitions from every market that we operate in and from…

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

We’ll now take our next question from Jamie Feldman from Bank of America/Merrill Lynch Jamie Feldman – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch: Thank you and good morning.

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Good morning. Jamie Feldman – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch: Given your guidance, can you talk a little bit about what it means for FFO and then dividend coverage both at the high end and the low end?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Yeah. This year 2011 based on what we expect to spend throughout the end of the year, we’ll probably plus or minus flatted to slightly negative more less, not a big number one way or the other and that’s obviously always a variable in 2012, we expect that, we could be if we do as much leasing to maintain the sort of occupancies that we’ve built into guidance, and spend all of the money and all the reserves that we’re projecting and chances are we won’t spend all of the reserves, credit reserves and so forth. But if we did we probably be somewhere at the current dividend level of down $25ish million at the end of 2012, and for $6 billion company it’s not such a serious thing. Jamie Feldman – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch: Okay. Either sense of way before it’s comfortable again what point you said to reveal the dividend?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Yeah, while we talked about it at every September Board meeting third quarter. I think and I just had that same discussion that I just have with you in September. So we’ll talk about it next September, we’ll see where it’s trending. I don’t think there is any issue at that level with respect to the dividend. Jamie Feldman – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch: Okay. And then just a follow-up, I just want to make sure you said leasing spreads were minus 3.4% in the quarter is that correct?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Yes, that’s right. Jamie Feldman – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch: Okay. And then I know you’ve said your same-store outlook for next year. But what are you thinking in terms of leasing spreads for next year?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Well, I think that the leasing spreads, there were again as always the anomalies and the situation, they would probably, would have been down close to 7%. But we had some benefit of the Vandom transaction that particularly the economics of that mitigated against some of the roll down. So I am guessing that is 6%, 7% down. Jamie Feldman – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch: Okay. And then did you say if the apartment building you think it would be about 400 million?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Phase I, somewhere in that range. Jamie Feldman – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch: Okay, all right. Thank you.

Mitchell Hersh

Management

You’re welcome.

Operator

Operator

Okay. Now we’ll take our next question from Michael Knott, Green Street Advisors. Michael Knott – Green Street Advisors: And so this carries, if you feel like the uncertainty among tenants is still as high as it had been?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Yes, I do actually. I mean it looked there are always exceptions to the rule. But there is still a lot of apprehension in the economy. I think that obviously the events of the day could change attitudes a little bit. But to be very candid with you Michael, I think that the election is an overwriting concern and issue and unfortunately we’re not going to have clarity on that one way or the other or another year. And so I think that there will be more of a tip going in terms of decision making as evidenced by the $1 trillion sitting on corporate balance sheets that nobody wants to put the work right now. So, I think the election is a serious concern and I don’t want to go into die a try bout the disfunctionality of Washington and so forth. But he’s a feeling that you’re not going to see wide spread or wholesale expansion of businesses largely in general until there is a more of a ballot painted in terms of the political landscape. And what it’s going to mean towards taxes and so forth. Certainly at this point the investment banks and financial institutions have stepped back a little bit couple of them have announced some staff reductions in investment banking and I’m not talking about Bank of America, I’m not talking about more recent announcements that impact particularly the metropolitan, New York place. So we’ll have to see how it goes. But because the EU seem to have settled the debt issues for the moment, the phones is not ringing, we’re tenants that are willing to make commitments. I mean it’s going to be a slower process. Michael Knott – Green Street Advisors: Okay. And then any update on some of the comments you’ve given in the past about making platform acquisition. I think potential in the DC metro area?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

We’re not trying to do that and those discussions while there are not as heated up as I would like them to be. There is still serve on the back (indiscernible) and I think the big question what will access the capital be not unlike what I discussed before about the private leveraged owner/buyer. And I don’t think anybody clearly wants to see control of their company if they don’t have to and so, we are still talking and but like everything else is moving slowly.

Unidentified Company Speaker

Analyst

And then the Michael Bilerman’s question about share buybacks and your view on financing levels for perspective buyers, you feel like the extent to start chase at a high employed GAAP rate that’s sort of empower with private market values with the GAAP rates are higher because of the financing issue or is your version to buybacks still going to based on just the idea that you don’t want to shrink your capital base and you are does not interested at any price in the public market buyback sort of opportunity.

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Yeah, well I don’t want to shrink the capital base, I mean once you’ve moved in that direction, it’s very hard to turnaround. I think there are similar events impacting the marketplace. I could tell you that certainly the banking community at large as evidenced by our credit facility and the rating agency believes that valuations are stronger than some of the recent transactions that somebody alluded to one of those transactions before black storm and I don’t know enough about the comment on it, but we clearly believe that values for the corner real-estate we own with quality of income that we have and presents in branding that we have here that we are under priced and undervalued in the public market, but that doesn’t mean we’re going shrink our capital base.

Michael Knott - Green Street Advisors

Analyst

Okay thanks.

Operator

Operator

And moving I’ll take our final question from Jim Sullivan, Cowen and Company. Jim Sullivan – Cowen and Company: Yes, I just have one quick question and maybe I missed it earlier, but the joint venture – the residential joint venture the land that would be contributed to that joint venture. Is that on our balance currently and does our guidance for 2012 assume the capitalization of that and when does that begin.

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Yeah, the land zone frame we are on a balance sheet, there is no effect or impact in our 2012 guidance from the residential or contemplating residential development. Jim Sullivan – Cowen and Company: So is that mean that you would not be capitalizing your – the value for that land or you book on that land?

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Well, first of all we don’t know at what point or which point the project will commenced because going through an approval phase and what will occur is we will get a joint venture credit for the amputation of land based on the FAR or the developable area of each phase of development at the $30 of square foot when we all contributed the joint venture, but that won’t happen until we get full approvals on the project. Jim Sullivan – Cowen and Company: Okay. And what would be the likelihood, what quarter do you – would you expect if things are going, according to plan that we would get approval for Phase I.

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Yeah, I’m hopeful, that it happens in 2012, but it’s clearly going to take probably towards the end of the year for that to happen based on the complexity of all variety of approvals that are needed. It’s an approved use, but it’s just a complicated development. Jim Sullivan – Cowen and Company: Sure okay.

Mitchell Hersh

Management

May be in the third quarter sort of best case. Jim Sullivan – Cowen and Company: Okay. Thanks.

Mitchell Hersh

Management

You’re welcome.

Unidentified Company Speaker

Analyst

Operator, is there any other questions?

Operator

Operator

Not at this time sir.

Mitchell Hersh

Management

Okay. Well in that event, I want to thank everybody for joining us on this earnings conference call today and we look forward to seeing many of you at NAREIT and then getting together again the end of year conference call shortly thereafter. Thank you. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. That will conclude today’s conference. We thank you for your participation.