Yes, no, it's a great question because really, as a sort of I think through the fourth quarter, right. So they were -- there are whole bunch of factor, right. The main factor was just the backdrop of everyone de-risking and really across the board asset classes, investors were de-risking and moving to cash, so we absolutely participated in that. And then on top of that, we sort of had two elements that I would really sort of focusing on, small caps and basically leveraged loan strategies. Because as you remember, we previously had several quarters of positive flows and some of that was driven by high levels of demand in small caps, which were absolutely in favor earlier in the year. So they sort of -- we had done soft closes on those and those strategy sort of fell out of favor and then actually the Russell Index really performed poorly in the fourth quarter. significant decline in sales of the small cap, but at the same time, we actually saw an increase in large cap equity, mid cap equity and I think -- of our fixed income strategies. So we're actually seeing those sales go up, but the sharp decline in small caps stood out and then Mike sort of reference, the leveraged loan strategies, that asset class goes in and out of favor with more frequency than other asset classes. So you see some periods where a lots of money will come in that asset class and in December, as Mike alluded to, we had a huge draw down and that was about $1.1-ish billion in really in that one month. So then really January, really is almost like a different environment, right. Beginning of January we saw the residual of what I call the fourth quarter cleansing. But then really the demand for equity strategies was clearly evident. Many of those days are starting to be positive, slightly positive, slightly negative. So you saw the decline of the redemptions from the de-risking, you saw the increase in the demand on equity assets and for us, more optimistically, the emerging markets and international strategies, which had been previously out of favor. The only thing I'd say we haven't really seen yet is for fixed income. We haven't seen that gotten back to the place where we're hoping it we'll get to. So it's not redeeming, but certainly haven't -- we haven't seen that sales level quite up to where we would like it to be, given some of the really strong performance we have with several of our managers.