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Viasat, Inc. (VSAT)

Q2 2025 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 6, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by. My name is Meg and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Second Quarter 2025 Viasat Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. And now, I would like to turn the call over to Lisa Curran, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Lisa Curran

Analyst

Thanks, Meg. We will present certain non-GAAP financial measures on today’s call. Information required by the SEC relating to these non-GAAP financial measures is available in our Q2 fiscal year ‘25 shareholder letter on the Investor Relations section of our website. During the presentation, we will describe certain of the more significant factors that impacted year-over-year performance. We will also make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws, including statements regarding events or developments that we expect or anticipate will or may occur in the future. These forward-looking statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties and actual results might differ materially from any forward-looking statements that we make today. Information regarding these factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements is available in our SEC filings, including our annual report on Form 10-K. These forward-looking statements speak only as of the date they are made, and we do not assume any obligation to update any forward-looking statements. With that, I’ll turn it over to Mark Dankberg, Chairman and CEO.

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

Good afternoon and thanks for joining us today. With me, along with Lisa, we have Guru Gowrappan, our President; Gary Chase, our CFO; and Shawn Duffy, our Chief Accounting Officer. We encourage reading the shareholder letter and referencing the slides we posted on our website earlier this afternoon for more details. I’ll give a quick overview of the shareholder letter, Guru will briefly cover operations, and Gary will cover our financial results and highlights in our growth outlook, and then we’ll take questions. Our second quarter fiscal year 2025 results were better than expected in terms of revenue and adjusted EBITDA growth, as described in the shareholder letter and slides. We also continue to take actions to strengthen our capital structure, including an upsized refinancing of nearly $2 billion of 2026 secured notes. New contract awards in the second quarter were a new record at about $1.3 billion and were led by Defense and Advanced Technologies, which doubled year-over-year awards led by cybersecurity, ground systems and space and mission systems and by aviation connectivity services. Our recent teach-in highlighted the attractive growth potential and durable competitive advantages in key technologies such as next-generation breeze-based optical technology, mission-specific phased array terminals, space-based cybersecurity and others. Our Q2 defense and advanced technology, or DAT awards reinforce that we are on the right track, including the U.S. government program, international government opportunities in certain commercial markets. One of the unifying themes among our customers is access to diverse set of orbit spectrum and constellations and avoiding overdependence on single individual systems. Of course, we understand the intensity of competition in some of the core businesses that makes the size, competitive positioning and growth prospects of these DAT opportunities, especially [indiscernible]. We are open-minded about the best ways to capitalize on these opportunities and…

Guru Gowrappan

Analyst

Thank you, Mark. I’m going to provide a brief organizational and operational update and then introduce a new member of our executive team. Wi-Fi teams are focused fostering collaboration and operating as one to deliver results while continuing to sharpen our execution rigor. This is core to how we show up and execute for our customers and products, which in turn drives value creation. Our quarterly highlights only scratch to surface, but show the good momentum we are building. We know there’s a lot of work to be done and progress is being made as we continue to put our customers first. We continue to align our internal organizational structure in support of our strategic goals and to take advantage of our scale to improve operational efficiency. We are making great progress across the company to leverage our strength across departments and ensure a cohesive technology strategy that supports our growth and innovation. Nexus Wave is an excellent example of this. Our operating model fostered the collaboration and cross-function problem solving necessary to develop and bring to market an industry-first offering like Nexus Way. Mark mentioned that it’s off to a very good start with an order pipeline already at 3,500 vessels. In the near term, primarily in our indirect channel, third-party companion offerings created incremental ARPU pressure on flattish FX vessel count this quarter. We are refining our channel strategy for indirect. We expect NEXUS Wave will enable a return to net vessel growth and ARPU expansion in Maritime. But the near term is offset primarily by reductions in legacy fleet broadband some declines in indirect FX ARPU and modest FX net vessel count production. As we continue to navigate the dynamic landscape of our industry, we will remain adaptable and responsive to our businesses needs. This means continuously improving our structure, processes and strategies to ensure they are optimized for success. Our goal is to create an agile and efficient organization that can quickly leverage opportunities and challenges to drive growth and enhance value capture. Now I would like to introduce a new member of our executive leadership team, Gary Chase, who joins us as Chief Financial Officer. Gary Chase joined Viasat after more than 12 years with Delta Airlines in various senior financial roles, most recently serving as Senior Vice President of Operational Finance. We are excited to have Gary’s depth of experience and track record of execution in financial planning and analysis, strategic planning, corporate development, operational finance, capital structure management and cost efficiency improvement. Prior to joining Delta, Gary was and equity research analyst at Barclays Capital, having covered the airline and transportation industries. Now I would like to hand it over to Gary.

Gary Chase

Analyst

Thank you, Guru. Well, I’m excited to join Viasat at such an important time in the company’s history. I have a tremendous amount of respect for Viasat’s businesses and global mission of delivering safety and connectivity to customers in the air at sea on land. I’m grateful for the support I’ve gotten from the whole Viasat team in my early days, but especially our finance team led by Shawn, and I may well need some of that support during the Q&A. As a team, we look forward to partnering with Mark, Guru and the rest of the leadership group to further advance the finance function and its support for Viasat’s strategic initiatives, especially shareholder value creation. I’m going to cover two topics: financial performance and outlook. But before I get there, let me thank all of my Viasat colleagues for the hard work that led to these results. All of the comparisons in the second quarter discussion that follows exclude the nonrecurring catch-up contribution from the litigation settlement in the second quarter of fiscal ‘24, which benefited revenue by $95 million and adjusted EBITDA by $86 million. Looking now at second quarter fiscal ‘25 financial results. Awards were a record, up 25% year-over-year. Our Defense and Advanced Technologies segment and Aviation Connectivity Services led to growth. Revenue was $1.12 billion, down 1% compared to $1.13 billion in last year’s second quarter, reflecting declines in fixed broadband and maritime within communication services. Partially offset by strong growth in aviation and tactical networking products in our Defense and Advanced Technologies segment. Net loss of $138 million improved from the net loss of $767 million a year ago, which was primarily due to the impairment charge related to our satellite program. Adjusted EBITDA was $375 million, a decline of 6% year-over-year. As noted…

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

Thanks, Gary. So at this point, we will be happy to take questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Edison Yu of Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Edison Yu

Analyst

Hi, good afternoon. Thank you for taking our questions. First, I want to start with on the first page of the shareholder letter, I mean, as mentioned several times you’re evaluating all these I guess, proposals ideas on the structure, capital structure, financial structure. You had this teach-in. I don’t know that long ago about the assets in DAT. Can you perhaps comment on if you’ve gotten external strategic or financial interest in some of these assets? And if there has been, have there been any sort of structural reasons as to why no sort of transaction has occurred?

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

Okay. So one is it’s actually not unusual for us to get inquiries all the time on a number of our assets. So that part is not unusual. I think – and there’s no specific structural blocks – roadblocks or bottlenecks to any transaction. But what we really – the main thing we’re trying to say is we’re just trying to be prudent and no [indiscernible] about the best pal to work with IRS. And one of the things that we are assessing is working on what the valuation is for them. And fortunately, one of the good things is a lot of those government assets, especially they’ve just been improving a lot recently. We anticipated some of that. It’s good to see it came to fruition and one thing we’re doing just trying to factor that in to how we work with them. But there’s no – I think that the point of being open-minded is just to say exactly that, that we’re open minded.

Edison Yu

Analyst

Understood. Understood. And then just a follow-up on the L-band side. Can you perhaps give us a sense of how you’re thinking about that landscape? And obviously, we’ve got quite a few efforts from a lot of players now on D2D. You have a lot of L-bands. And so is the – I guess, is there a vision that you may monetize some of that? Would you keep it all yourselves? Would you do both? How do you sort of think about just maximizing the value potential there?

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

Okay. Yes. So the first thing is what we’re most focused on are the things that we can do ourselves and with partners. And that one of the things that we did in that area, which we think is a good step is forming the mobile satellite operators, the Mobile Satellite Services Association. And the theory behind that, which we’ve talked about, and I’ve talked about it in public addresses is that what we expect is that the capacity, airtime costs, speeds that can be delivered to terrestrial cellphones through these non-terrestrial networks or what’s called directed device is really going to be dependent on the amount of spectrum that’s available there. And the main thing that we’ve been working on is promoting, identifying and promoting both the open standards, which are primarily the 3GPP standards around first narrowband IoT and then the 5G new radio, combined with an open architecture system and then extending the concepts that have worked well in terrestrial mobile networks, which is to have multi-tenant infrastructure. So that part I think we’re making progress on it. I think the other things that are becoming evident there’s another approach that people are pursuing, which is to reuse terrestrial spectrum. I think that the – I think what the bottlenecks are and really is a terrestrial network, a net terrestrial spectrum is primarily impact on other terrestrial spectrum through – there’s a lot of discussion around what’s called out-of-band emissions constraints, and the amount of spectrum. And so what we think is happening is I think there’s become more awareness about the value of capital licensed MSS spectrum in this space. And so I think that’s good for us. Certainly, I don’t think that creates options for people that are good – that have spectrum. We have…

Edison Yu

Analyst

Great. Appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ric Prentiss of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Ric Prentiss

Analyst

Hi, good afternoon, everybody.

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

Hi, Ric.

Ric Prentiss

Analyst

Welcome, Gary. Look forward to working with you. A couple of questions on my side. I want to probe a little further – on the actively evaluating alternatives topic, can you give us kind of what stage you’re at? Have you hired bankers for the different areas? And when you mentioned that while those businesses are both delivering growth and increasing potential, are you talking about core and DAT there? But first question is on the actively evaluating and kind of what stage and where we’re at?

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

So as I said, right now, we’re just considering and evaluating alternative architectures. Those structures are going to be influenced a pretty fair amount pie what’s going on in the business. And we were anticipating a pretty strong quarter that was going to help set the direction for these businesses, and we got it. So I think that’s helpful. There’s quite a – one of the things we mentioned is – what we like about these businesses is they’re pretty differentiated. They’re very core to both the U.S. government and international governments, use of space for national security and sovereignty, we think they’re really valuable. So we’re not – I think the – the point is we just want people to know that we’re being open-minded as opposed to extend [indiscernible] and about how we work with them. And we’re going to – we are certainly aware that if you look at, say, a reasonable sum of the parts, valuation would be, maybe we’re not getting full value for those. So that’s what’s causing us to think about other alternatives. But we don’t – I would say we have not made any decisions that those businesses are – we think are going to continue to grow. So we’re just going to be shareholder focused. That’s the main thing.

Ric Prentiss

Analyst

Somewhat early stage then also just recognizing the sum of the parts and one in good quarters and then home let people know you’re interested in hearing that.

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

In multiple ways. Yes.

Ric Prentiss

Analyst

Sure. Makes sense. And Gary, I think you mentioned that you’re in the midst of a multiyear plan before getting granular on quarterly information in fiscal ‘26. Is that an allusion to kind of the timing of positive free cash flow, given one there’s some CapEx slip, but there could also be some other items out there?

Gary Chase

Analyst

Yes. Well, first, Ric, let’s – I just want to make sure we don’t bury the lead on the idea that the outlook is unchanged as we look across the 2 years, we did move $100 million of CapEx from fiscal ‘25 into fiscal ‘26. And we do want the benefit of that process before we get more granular on how the timing looks. Additionally, because we think it’s going to be a good opportunity to continue looking at how we optimize our spend. And let me just add a little bit of color to that for things that we see as customer critical we really want to challenge and see if we can accelerate some of those to drive contribution sooner for things that don’t fall into that bucket, we want to challenge both the level of spend and the timing. When we can move things out we really get two sources of value: first, time value of money, which I obviously don’t need to explain to anybody on the call. But a lot of time, the spend also has what I know is an operating tail, which means as we construct the operating expenses start to spool up, too. And that’s nonproductive operating expense while we’re building it. So – as we go through this process, we just want to give ourselves the opportunity to, a, get better information on how things are going to play out. but also an opportunity to just go back and revisit those assumptions for the opportunities I just described.

Ric Prentiss

Analyst

Okay. And last one for me is on the Aviation side and flight connectivity. Big debate out there, airlines seem to be choosing sites and technology or Orbits. How should we think about LEOs versus GEO and the competitive dynamic in commercial aviation?

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

Okay. I think from an airline perspective and the airlines, we’re dealing with a – I don’t think they think of orbits first. I think what they think of is what’s the business model going to be? And when we first entered the business and our first customers offered free service to passengers, including streaming. The – I think one of the things that a lot of the airlines realized pretty quickly was if every airline ended up paying for free Internet service then every airline would have additional expenses and no airline would have any competitive advantage relative to what they had now. So I think that the main thing that the airlines have been focused on is a business model and that business model has to be in the context not only of what they’re doing, but what is the field doing as well. And so the main thing that we’ve been hearing with airlines is, okay, how do we – what are the opportunities to differentiate. Almost none of the airlines expect that the way they differentiate is going to be – is going to last 5 years or 10 years, they’re really looking at how they differentiate in on some continuous basis. And then low latency, which is the main advantage of LEO is a good thing. It’s one of the reasons that we’re – we’re adding a lot of latency to our maritime service. We talked working with live speed to do the same thing for Ka-band. I think that then the issue is really going to be differentiation. And also, I can tell you the other thing that’s really become more and more evident, especially for us, I think in terms of numbers of planes that we have, but it’s becoming more and more…

Ric Prentiss

Analyst

Okay, thanks. Have a good day.

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

Sure. Thanks, Ric.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Sebastiano Petti of JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Sebastiano Petti

Analyst

Hi, thanks for taking the question. I guess maybe perhaps just following up on Rick’s question and to your comments, Mark. Now with UIL choosing their pony in the race or deciding to go free, I mean how does that now permeate through the ecosystem, right? Obviously, one of your original partners, pull those kind of been on that path for a while Delta has discussed it. But this seems like a topic that we’ve discussed across commercial aviation IFC for the last couple of years. And so what are the next steps from here, perhaps maybe the best way to put it in light of the UAL announcement? And then thinking about – do you see – what is the feasibility or the inclination perhaps and some sort of hybrid LEO-GEO in-flight connectivity solutions similar to what you’re doing with Nexus Wave and Maritime. Is that something that could make sense over time? Why or why not? Thank you.

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

Okay. And just could you – when you said what are the best steps in light of the UAL announcement? Are you talking about...

Sebastiano Petti

Analyst

Yes. I mean, ecosystem-wide UIL has not made their decision to be a partner with StarLink and kind of – I think where do you see the chessboard, how do you see the chessboard perhaps playing out from here? Potential next steps or additional – how does the – how do strategies evolve from here in your point of view – from an airline level?

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

Yes. I think the – so the number one – I’d say, how do the ingredients have been evident over the last 10 years, right? So the number one – I think the number one issue for a lot of airlines, is monetization. That is like what they don’t want to see is a substantial new expense without some value associated with it. So well – and the way to put it is, I’m just going to give you an example is that – one answer was when free Wi-Fi was first introduced at scale, it was, hey, I gratifying that airline. And so maybe they could get a premium in ticket prices, right? So the measure might have been a revenue per passenger seat mile. As an example that, that might be an example of a way that it was monetized. But if multiple lines have free, then it’s hard to get a premium on ticket price as an example. So then people are looking for other ways to differentiate. And I think that, that is a big part of what’s going on now is understanding the different ways to differentiate and how to capture those. And they’re quite – if you just think about what you see when you fly in different airlines, you’ll see everything from advertisements to promotions by telecom carriers, promotions by content providers. There’s – there are different tiers of service, could be free texting, could be complete free Internet – the Internet with or without streaming. I think that what people are – what the airlines are looking for are what are the ways to monetize. Who – what data is available. It’s – that’s what it’s turning into from our perspective. And I think that you’re also seeing different airlines to take…

Sebastiano Petti

Analyst

Yes. Appreciate it. Thank you, Mark.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Simon Flannery of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Simon Flannery

Analyst

Thanks a lot. Good afternoon. I was wondering if you could just update us on any new developments on the ViaSat-3 F2 and F3 SE, the commercial timing is unchanged? Any more details around launch timing or any other milestones that you have and also where you think you are going to deploy the capacity going forward. And then just following up on the UAL question, could you help us size the potential exposure and the timing? It sounds like United is keen to move aircraft onto the new system quite quickly. So, we could love to get on how you see that going given the contracts you have with United? Thanks.

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

Okay. Good morning, just – okay. On the new satellites, the reason we put that roadmap in the way we did is because the in-service tape is really what drives our ability to monetize the satellites. The – those are unchanged now. It really – as we go through this, there is actually, a lot of works involved in holding to those schedules and working with our suppliers. So, there is work going on. Some of those – and this is the reason that we have focused on the in-service dates is that there are opportunities to – if some things go faster, we can benefit from that, if some things go slower, we have the opportunity to try to accelerate other parts of the program, maybe at an additional expense or additional resources. But so far, we have been able to hold to the in-service state. And I think that’s the – like, that’s how we are thinking about it. I think that’s a good way for investors and customers to think about it as well. The – but we are making good progress on the main for – going back to your other questions. F2, the main things that we have been doing, we got, we did, I talked about this before, very extensive analysis what the failure anomaly mode was on F1, come up with two main mitigation approaches. One is a way to prevent the failure mode from recurring at all. And the other one is to beef up the structure in a way that even if that failure would were to occur, the structure would still deploy effectively nominally. So, the main things that we have seen that have been good, have been the implementation of those corrective actions. So, that’s the main thing. The…

Simon Flannery

Analyst

Yes. Thank you.

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

Thanks Simon.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mike Crawford of B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead.

Mike Crawford

Analyst

Thank you. Just continuing on the when we can expect in-service Flight3 and Flight2 for ViaSat-3. Just I appreciate the pictures you have provided us in August to now with this report today on the ViaSat satellite roadmap. But when would be the earliest that Flight3, these satellites each could go in service at this point?

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

Well, what we have said is mid to late-2025 for Flight3 and late-2025 for Flight2. And that’s I think right now, we are not. Yes, that’s a good range for us to give at this point.

Mike Crawford

Analyst

I guess I am a little confused on that because from the picture, it looks like Flight2 is further along its final ground test stage, but ViaSat-3 is going to catch up and pass it?

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

Yes. So, Flight2, it has to do with the launch vehicle and the specific mission. Flight2 has a longer orbit raising time than Flight3.

Mike Crawford

Analyst

Okay. And then, Mark, after ViaSat-3, you are talking now today about maybe some multi-tenant infrastructure. I think when you and I talked a couple of months ago, you were talking about maybe just simpler, faster to build satellites, maybe even proliferated GEO? Is there any to diffuse risk and enable more agility? Is that all part and parcel of what you are thinking, or have thoughts evolved more?

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

No, those are – okay, those are two different approaches, and there are for two different purposes. The area where we are getting good interest in the multi-tenant environment is in the D2D mobile application. And that’s really because of the standards and the open architecture that’s available. So, if you look at the – and again, it’s these 3GPP standards that are – we think are going to be really a lot of the foundation of these non-terrestrial networks. So, the approach that multiple – and just to be clear, I mean right now, if you look at the forecast, there is – there are good opportunities and existing opportunities for mobile satellite services that are not 3GPP standard. But the 3GPP standard modes, because the market is of those that can use those is so large, that’s what’s expected to dominate. So, what we have described is essentially a satellite architecture and that can work multi-orbit that allows – think of it as just to use the types of services that are in now, I remember Iridium has its own satellite with total infrastructure, tone handset, it’s own way where Globalstar has its own, Inmarsat has its own, AI [ph] has its own, but when you go to these 3GPP standards, you should end up with devices that could work on the RF bands of each of them, and they also – if they are using the same standards and the same network architecture, you could make any of those devices work on any of those constellations. At which point, if the market is as big as what it looks like, it would make sense, just like it did in terrestrial for operators to share infrastructure that would allow much more – it should have a better return…

Mike Crawford

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. And I have a last – I think I know the answer, but the last question is, with I think five-fold increase in bids are going to be able to deploy once you launch these two ViaSat-3 satellites. Is there any change in your belief that you will be able to deploy these ample demand for you to deliver mainly in services and bandwidth to customers with this capacity you are bringing online?

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

There is a lot of demand. And I think one of the ways you can tell that is even these LEOs that have put out really big numbers about what they are going to deliver, don’t deliver that all the time, right. They struggle to get to reach the peak speeds all of the time or in the highest demand basis. So, we see a very large amount of demand. That capacity is one of the – is one of the ways to differentiate. There is a little bit of diminishing returns. If you do need how much high definition do you really need on an airplane, but right now, it’s lots of people who are streaming on an airplane and airport that there is a ton of demand in those situations.

Mike Crawford

Analyst

Alright. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of…

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

Go ahead. sorry.

Operator

Operator

Yes. The next question comes from the line of Chris Quilty of Quilty Space. Please go ahead.

Chris Quilty

Analyst

Thank you. Mark, so I just want to follow-up, you did mention when you were talking, I think about directed device about a concept of a multi-tenant satellites, which is that part of what you were just discussing in the strategy, which I thought was more focused on the SATCOM side of the business rather than direct-to-device, or do you see those two as kind of one and the same?

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

So, the multi-tenant, just to be clear, think of – so when we talk about multi-tenant simple way to think about it, think of it like cell towers that are multi-tenant, right. And they are designed to cover the entire range of spectrum and to support the – whatever the network generations are and the backhaul that are required to support those. People have done multi-tenant satellites before, think of like condos apps in the GEO environment, and you can have multipurpose, I mean even Iridium did condos apps, with ADS-B, for instance, in MSS. So, the thing – so we are trying to make a distinction between in the direct-to-device space is really business model as well as the technology. In the GEO space, things might do – might look a little more like condo-sats with shared satellites, but don’t really go to the same extent as the direct-to-device would because it’s going to be so dominated by these 5G standards.

Chris Quilty

Analyst

Okay. And for that, I will call it the condo-sat business model, where are you in terms of customer outreach and basically building a pipeline on that? And likewise, on the flip side, I think that’s a bit of a distinct supply chain I would think from what you currently source? And what sort of hurdles, if any, are you seeing in that effort?

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

No, I would say the best example, some of the best examples of that really revolve more around network standards than technology. And so we have done this pretty successfully for quite a long time with partners in Asia Pacific and in Latin America. We have several more already in the works where we would share networking features and pretty much on demand design basis, where they can support their national needs, but really work with us for getting access to different verticals or for global roaming. And we are finding more – we actually have quite a few of those types of arrangements in the works, using existing satellites, some of them ours, some them of them are others.

Chris Quilty

Analyst

Got it. And hopefully, rule, just quickies. I will just be direct. Did you remove any United aircraft from your previous order backlog? If not, can you give us a sense of what sort of exposure you have given the announcement with United on the 1,000 aircraft that they are sending over to Starlink?

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

No. Okay. So, we are not going to – it would be a presumption of us to do that. I think you should – I think people should talk to United about what their plans are for each of the services that they have. What I can tell you is we will bake those into our forecast, our understanding of them. We are not going to break them out separately, but the forecast that we give for airplane count will reflect not just United, but all of our airline customers plans.

Chris Quilty

Analyst

Got it.

Lisa Curran

Analyst

Sorry, Chris, we are starting to run long. So, I think you had your more than one and follow-up question. So, May, can you go ahead and move to the last questioner please?

Operator

Operator

Yes. Sure. So, we have one last question from Ryan Koontz. Your line is now open.

Ryan Koontz

Analyst

Great. Thanks. I will keep it quick here. You talked about decelerating broadband headwinds. I am not sure your numbers in services really reflects that in fixed and other in the quarter. I wonder if you can maybe unpack your thoughts there on – is there a declining competitive threat on fixed that you are feeling from LEO?

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

Fixed, the main things are, the main ingredients there, and it’s been the same thing as one is moving bandwidth from fixed applications into aviation. The other one, which is sort of an industry-wide issue for everybody is that growing per user bandwidth demand requirements. So, if we have – if we are not adding bandwidth from our satellites, then we are probably going to go down, and we have shown this effect before is that as user bandwidth expands, then the number of subscribers you can support those down for the same amount of bandwidth. So, those are the two things. I think from a year-over-year perspective, the dollar amount on the fixed decline – is decelerating.

Ryan Koontz

Analyst

Got it. So, you are saying it’s part of your plan to move bandwidth anyway towards mobile and IFC. So, the impact is less, even though it stands out as a double-digit decline in total…?

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

I mean some of the bandwidth that was contributing to fixed revenues now contributing to mobile revenue or government revenue.

Ryan Koontz

Analyst

Got it. Alright. Thanks…

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

Thanks Ryan.

Operator

Operator

That concludes our Q&A session. I will now turn the conference back over to Mark Dankberg, CEO, for the closing remarks.

Mark Dankberg

Analyst

Okay. Well, thanks very much everybody for participating in our call and for taking out in a little bit of excess. We appreciate all the interest and we look forward to speaking again next quarter. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today’s call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.