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Vestis Corporation (VSTS)

Q2 2025 Earnings Call· Sat, May 10, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Vestis Corporation Fiscal Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the call over to Michael Aurelio, Vice President of Investor Relations.

Michael Aurelio

Analyst

Thank you, operator. And thank you all for joining us. With me are Phillip Holloman, Interim Executive Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Kelly Janzen, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and they will discuss our fiscal 2025 second quarter results. After commentary, we will open the call to questions from the analysts. The Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 provides a Safe Harbor from civil litigation for forward-looking statements. This conference call contains forward-looking statements that reflect the company’s current views as to future events and financial performance. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties which could cause actual results to differ materially from those we may discuss. I refer you to the discussion on these points contained in our most recent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. I will now turn the call over to Phillip.

Phillip Holloman

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Thank you, Michael. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Before we get into the quarter, I want to highlight the news we announced after market closed yesterday. Jim Barber, former Chief Operating Officer of UPS, will be stepping into the role of President and Chief Executive Officer, effective June 2, 2025. At that time, I will return to my role as Chairman of the Board. Jim is a proven leader with a track record of driving profitable growth, and I look forward to working closely with him to ensure a seamless transition. With that, let me turn to our results. I will begin my remarks with an overview of the second quarter performance, specifically, what changed between Q1 and Q2 and why we did not deliver the revenue growth that we expected this quarter. I’ll then discuss actions that we have been taking to improve our performance as well as the positive results we are seeing from those actions. At the end, I will turn it over to Kelly to review our financials in more detail before we take questions. Second quarter revenue was $665 million which declined approximately $18 million from Q1 or 2.7%, a significant difference from the growth we implied in our guidance. Excluding a $150 million one-time bad debt adjustment that Kelly will discuss, adjusted EBITDA with $63 million or 9.4% of revenue, a 250 basis point reduction compared to Q1. This decrease in margin from our lower revenue demonstrates the operating leverage inherent in our relatively fixed cost structure, which in times of revenue growth is beneficial. During the quarter, $7 million of decline was related to direct sales and $11 million of the decline was from our rental business, which we had expected to grow, given the previous trends. While this…

Kelly Janzen

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Thank you, Phillip. And good morning, everyone. I will first go over the second quarter financial results and at the end give an update on guidance. Revenue during the quarter was $665 million, down 5.7% year-over-year and down 2.7% when compared to the first quarter of 2025. The $18 million sequential decline in revenue was due to an $11 million decrease in rental revenue and a $7 million decrease in direct sales. Within rental revenue, growth from new business contributed $17 million or 2.4% of revenue during the quarter. As Phillip mentioned, we continue to see solid momentum in both our field and national account sales organizations which collectively installed 35% more recurring revenue year-over-year and 10% more than in the first quarter. These new customer installations were skewed for the second half of Q2, providing a tailwind going into Q3 as we realized their benefit for a full quarter of revenue. The revenue impact in the second quarter from lost business was approximately $20 million which is an improvement of roughly 10% when compared to the lost business impact in the first quarter. On a rolling 12-month basis, our customer retention was 92.4% at the end of Q2, which is relatively consistent with the annual rates we have seen in previous years. We remain highly focused on both generating new business and effectively managing our lost business. Revenue from existing customers declined approximately $8 million in the second quarter compared to Q1 which includes the $4 million in L&R revenue that Phillip discussed. We continue to realize price increases with our existing customers. And while new pricing has been partially offset by price adjustments elsewhere, our overall net pricing was positive by $3.5 million as compared to the first quarter. Net volume from existing customers, which we call adds…

Operator

Operator

The floor is now open for questions. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Our first question comes from Andy Wittmann with Baird. Please go ahead.

Andy Wittmann

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Great. Excuse me. Good morning. And thank you for taking my questions. I guess, I want to start with trying to understand your confidence level that that this earnings level that you’ve got to here for your fiscal third quarter is the right level and the confidence that you have that this is in fact kind of marking the bottom, I guess. You mentioned that it’s a little bit higher than the second quarter that you just reported. You talked about the weekly revenue, but the organic revenue growth did decelerate quarter-over-quarter. You talked about elevated credits during the quarter. You said that maybe it’s getting a little better now, but sounds like there’s still kind of a service issue at its core, and these are – these have been issues for some time, and they don’t usually change in one quarter. So Phillip, I just thought maybe you could just comment on your confidence around this being the bottom and fundamentally the service at the at the root of all of this.

Phillip Holloman

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes, Andy, thanks for your question. Yes, we do have confidence, I do have confidence in our guidance for next quarter, but obviously, we’re looking at it to make sure that the trends that we see are sustainable going forward. And with our new CEO coming in, it’s a matter of saying that I – the trends that we’re seeing support this guidance through next quarter and then we’ll go from there, but – so yes, I feel confident in the guidance.

Kelly Janzen

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes. And if I can add in there, Andy another reason why we would feel confident around it is because if you normalize the $4 million L&R impact this year, our rental business declined last year as well from our – declined this year $7 million from Q1 to Q2, and we saw a very similar impact last year. So, we believe a lot of the decline was related to seasonal decreases that our existing customers – related to our existing customer volume. Many of our customers decrease their volume for certain products depending on their needs during the holiday period. And then we saw that increase come back during the quarter, and as I mentioned, month-over-month we saw revenue increasing. And not only did we see it through March, but we’ve actually seen that increase through April, which in fact was different last year where we start to tail off a bit. So, we actually believe the trends are very positive and we’re, as Phillip mentioned, we’re going to wait and see, but I do feel confident in the way things are going at this moment.

Phillip Holloman

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

And Andy, I would also say that we have a much better handle on our numbers from a financial standpoint as we look at different aspects of that over stuff that we feel really good about having a much better understanding of the numbers and what we need to do to improve.

Andy Wittmann

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Got it. Okay, I had kind of two other questions that I wanted to get in front of you as well. And in your prepared remarks, Phillip, but we heard a lot about the quarter, you talked about being fully staffed on sales, but given where the new revenue might be residing here, I was wondering if there is any other actions that you can take on the cost structure? I know there have been many significant actions already taken over the past couple of years, and so, I don’t know if there’s more that can be done, but I didn’t hear you to refer to any. Or if that’s not part of the strategy, that’s fine, but I was just hoping that you would address that. And then my follow-up after that was probably more for Kelly and heard the comments that you weren’t going to be commenting on free cash flow guidance. Obviously, in the past you said think about it as 50% of EBITDA, but if you’re not willing to comment on that, I was hoping maybe you could just talk about some of the puts and the takes that we should all be thinking about as it relates to your free cash flow, given this new kind of earnings level that seems to be emerging here. So, those two questions then I’m done. Thank you.

Phillip Holloman

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Okay, I’m going to start with Kelly answering the second question, and then I’ll come back and answer the first question that you asked.

Kelly Janzen

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes, sure. And Andy, like we said, as we’re not guiding cash flow for the year, however, if you look at the Q2 results, we did make an investment in $30 million of inventory over the quarter, which we had said for the rest of the year we would not be really needing to increase. And when you normalize for this effect, you can think about free cash flow on an annualized basis, we’re currently in the range of about $80 million when you also layer in some of the seasonal dynamics we see in the first quarter. So that’s kind of a better view of how to think about cash. And the first part of your question, Andy, we are continuing with our efforts around plant consolidations and better utilizing of our assets and facilities and being more efficient, so we continue that work. At the same time, we did a lot of work. A lot of work was done, I should say, in the past year on cost reduction. And I’m at the point now, Andy, and I believe we’re at the point where we need to settle down and really look at making absolutely sure that we are investing where we need to help retain customers and provide better service. So, it’s a fine balance there, but we need to make absolutely sure that we’re able to service our customers in a very robust, solid, customer centric kind of a focus.

Andy Wittmann

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Makes sense. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Next we’ll go to Shlomo Rosenbaum with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Shlomo Rosenbaum

Analyst

Hi, thank you very much. The issues that seem to be going on, at least in the service issues seem to have been going on for a while, and the company seem to have been working on it in order to address it. And I just want to get your view as to what really has to be done here to fix some of those things. And then, we’re not seeing volume issues from Cintas, they basically said that things were pretty steady, and I’m trying to figure out why there would be more of a concern amongst your client base than what we’re seeing from Cintas. And after that, I’ll ask one follow-up.

Phillip Holloman

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes, in the service area, we are now – and what we’ve done over the last few weeks, we are better organized and providing the right resources to implement both the improvements that need to be made in the plant and the improvements that we need to make in service. Making sure that we have some resources that are focused on that, helping to implement and execute those improvements in the locations, and so, that’s the part of why I see it improving. Also, we’ve been talking a lot about culture and being focused on the customer and being customer centric, and making absolutely sure that we’re doing that. The other part of it is what I often say, and I think I said it in my remarks, is that we need to be always working towards positioning our RSRs for success because they are, of course, the face of the company and they have the relationships with the customer, and we need to make absolutely sure that they have the products with complete loads that they need to fully service the customer. And we’re doing training in that area and really focus on how we can best make our RSR successful. And so that gives me more confidence. And I understand your point around we’ve been working on these things, I would say we now have a renewed focus or making absolutely sure that that we’re getting these things implemented.

Kelly Janzen

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes. And related to the volume question, I think, it probably has to do with different mix of products, certainly, they have a number of products we don’t carry. And then within the rental space where we are similar, I think, we might have a little heavier mix towards some of the lean areas and some of the with food and beverage and hospitality businesses. So, that’s where we actually saw the decline coming out of December and actually the return as well coming back into March is really in that space with those types of customers as they were able to kind of make decisions up or down in those product areas. So, I think that could be a contribution. I can only speak to what we have seen, and that’s really where we see the impact this quarter.

Phillip Holloman

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

And as you noticed, we have started to talk about credits, the amount of credit that we issued. And the real opportunity there is to fix the performance issues that cause credits to happen and that’s what we’re focused.

Shlomo Rosenbaum

Analyst

Got it. And then just given the service issues and the need for more volume, you’re bringing in someone new who’s got experience, who’s got to come in with the ability to make the changes that he wants to make. Would you envision that realistically, he’s going to want to invest a lot more money to turn this company around. And so, what we should be seeing is an investment period in order for the company to get to that service level, get to that sales level, get to the operational efficiency level that you need.

Phillip Holloman

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes, I don’t want to prematurely speak for our new CEO that’s coming in. I’m sure he will be considering all aspects of our business and how best to move forward. So, time will tell. I think that we’re transitioning what I would consider to be a very robust base of operation and that he will determine where we go from here.

Shlomo Rosenbaum

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And next we’ll go to Tim Mulrooney with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Luke McFadden

Analyst

Hi, good morning. This is Luke McFadden on for Tim Mulrooney. Thanks for taking our questions today. So just looking at your slides, does look like that gap between new and lost business continued to shrink here in the second quarter. I was hoping you could give us a sense for when you’d expect that to turn positive for – just the outlook for the remainder of the year. Should we continue to see that gap narrow?

Kelly Janzen

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes. Well, of course, we’re very optimistic that we will continue to narrow that gap as we go forward. I don’t have a specific time period of when we would say definitively that our new would exceed loss. All I can say is that we are certainly ramping up our new sales. We’re seeing a lot of momentum in that area as we mentioned in our remarks, specifically related to our field sales ramp as we’ve been investing in that team. And then, of course, you saw the improvement in the loss versus last quarter. So, I can tell you that with is a highly focused area for us in both of those pieces and I’m hopeful that we will start to the new will start to overtake the loss in the near future.

Phillip Holloman

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes. And we’re now fully staffed and in our sales organization and our productivity levels are increasing. So, as Kelly just said, I am very optimistic that we will cross over including the fact that we will continue to improve our lost business.

Luke McFadden

Analyst

Understood, very helpful. And then maybe just switching gears here a little bit, thinking about the demand environment. With all the recent headline news related to tariffs and more uncertain macroeconomic outlook, can you update us on how conversations with your clients have been trending? Any color around that we metrics or changes in demand conditions would be really helpful. Thanks so much.

Phillip Holloman

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes, we really haven’t seen any groundswell of information around from our customers as it relates to their staffing levels and their needs. We really haven’t seen a decline. Our new business is going quite well, which is clearly an indication of continued momentum on this, the very strong industrial laundry rental market. So we haven’t had any anything that has popped up that would indicate that there’s a headwind ahead, because we said in our statement, from a demand planning standpoint and tariffs, we’re watching that, covering that, but again, don’t see any real cutbacks from our customers.

Luke McFadden

Analyst

Understood. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We’ll go next to Manav Patnaik, Barclays. Please go ahead. Manav your line is open.

Ronan Kennedy

Analyst

Hi, apologies. This is Ronan Kennedy on for Manav. Good morning and thank you for taking my questions. If I may, I’m just looking to quickly confirm three things to be absolutely clear. They were touched on in a certain extent in the prior three questions, but the results and suspension of the annual guidance that is primarily attributed to the internal challenges, right? It’s not uniform and ancillary services market. It’s not necessarily the macro or the strength of the consumer. And then on the much needed fundamental cultural transformation, can we just confirm how we should think about how long that will ultimately take need to take place, what inning you’re in. And then lastly, I apologize if I missed this, but on the past two quarterly calls you spoke to having retained strategic advisors to evaluate alternatives. Is there an update there, please?

Kelly Janzen

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Sure, I’ll take the guidance question and then I’ll pass it on to Phillip. So, the reason we’ve gone to Q3 guidance only and suspended the rest of the year is probably a combination of us getting ourselves realigned with our forecasting as well as the fact that while we have not seen specific indicators related to the macro environment and our current results, certainly, there is a lot out there as it relates to potential future impacts. So it’s somewhere in between the two, and you know, we’re going to go from there – we’ll go from here as we think about guidance in the future of how we will do that.

Phillip Holloman

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Okay, and as far as the strategics are concerned, we don’t have any active activity at this point in time, and so that’s all I can say about that. We don’t have any active activity in that area. The cultural transformation, that’s an interesting and provocative question. We are working to make absolutely sure that we’re looking at some pretty fundamental things from a cultural standpoint. We can start with accountability to make absolutely sure that all the leaders, managers are accepting fully aware of their accountability, working very effectively, working on making sure that we’re working effectively as a matrix organization. That’s a part of this transformation, and make absolutely sure that we’re working with our frontline teammates, listening to them, understanding what their needs are for us to have the success that we know that we can have. So that cultural transformation will take time. I can’t put a date on that. I think a big part of it is going to be around Jim and our – with him being our new CEO as we continue to move forward.

Ronan Kennedy

Analyst

Thank you, appreciate that. And there is a follow-up if I may. How should we think about what was the initially guided targets for deleveraging and a leverage target?

Kelly Janzen

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes. Well, what I can tell you is that we are very committed to a strong balance sheet to delevering as a priority. And right now, I am not really going to put out an actual target, but we would suggest that would be probably something that would be a little bit higher than what has been previously discussed in the past. Certainly not above three, but something potentially that could be higher than the 1.5 to 2.

Ronan Kennedy

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We’ll go next to Stephanie Moore with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Stephanie Moore

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Thank you. I appreciate the commentary and kind of the backward looking kind of what has happened over the last several months and the likes. But as we look forward and you continue to stem some of those customer losses and offset those losses with hopefully some new wins, can you talk a little bit about why a customer would switch their provider to the likes of Vestis versus maybe a competitor? Are you seeing some of those wins come from maybe first time outsourcing or the likes, but I guess, just given maybe the events of the last year or so, maybe some of the service issues, what is the playbook for your sales rep to go out and win that new business? Thanks.

Phillip Holloman

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes, as you know, we have new leadership in our sales organization. But just as an example, in Q2, our skill sales team sold well over 7,500 new accounts. 44% of them were non-programmers and 56% of them were taken from our competitors. So that split is really good that they’re going after and we’re able to sign up non-programmers, but also that we’re competing with folks that are existing providers to those companies. And so, when we look at our service level, we’re telling them and working with them to make absolutely sure that we’re providing the very best service possible to meet their needs and being again very customer-centric around that. We’ve got some new tools and new processes that we put in place to make sure that we retain that new business once we get it. And then obviously, we’ve got to continue to work with our existing customers because we want our existing customers to, of course, stay with us. And we even want to go beyond that. We actually want them to recommend us to others, so that’s an even higher bar. So whether it be service allergies from the competition that they’re having problems with that we’re going to fix or whether it be at times price may do it as we look at being competitive, but again, 44% of our new customers are actually no programmers.

Stephanie Moore

Analyst

Great. And actually, I just had one follow-up to that. I just wanted to confirm, I think, in prior quarters, there has been some management additions as you just called out, and you had a sales, COO. Just confirming, both of those individuals are still at Vestis?

Phillip Holloman

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes. Our sales leader, Senior VP is still in place, Pete Rego; and our COO over operations, Bill Seward is still in place, yes.

Stephanie Moore

Analyst

Got it. All right, thank you. Appreciate the time.

Phillip Holloman

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And next we’ll go to George Tong with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

George Tong

Analyst

Hi, thanks. Good morning. I wanted to discuss the broader selling environment. So, revenue declines in the quarter widened even though comps were easier in the prior year. Can you just elaborate on what could have caused year-over-year revenue declines and how much of it was due to internal issues versus evolving competitive dynamics versus macro considerations?

Kelly Janzen

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Hi, George. Let me make sure I’m understanding your question. So for the year-over-year revenue decline, it is driven by a number of things. One is we did have the lost business that did exceed the new business. Obviously, we’re narrowing that gap, but certainly year-over-year that was a fairly significant factor. We also did have the adjustment, the lower volume with existing customers, I think, it’s a very similar conversation as it relates to some of the service discussions that Phillip had, service items that Phillip had, some of the credits, and as well as potentially some of those changes in inventory demand depending on some of our mix of customers. We also had a reduction in direct sales related to the loss of that large national account we had talked about and that had a relatively significant impact on the year-over-year. And then last year, we had some unusual positive exit billings for a couple of our customers that did not repeat this year. So, those were the larger items that caused the year-over-year. I’d say we are not attributing really any of that to a macro environment change that’s happened from last year to this year. And in addition, we think that we’ve made a lot of improvements in recent weeks and months as it related to some of the drivers that drove that reduction. So, let me know if that answers your question. Happy to add anything to that.

George Tong

Analyst

Okay. No, I think, that’s helpful context. The question stems from the fact that the sort of the two-year stack on growth seems to have worsened, so it’s not really like a comp issue from certain revenue streams or lost accounts, but that’s helpful color. I guess if you look at pricing on Slide 4, you disclosed $3.5 million of revenue sequentially [indiscernible] pricing. Can you talk about how much the year-over-year change on pricing was and what your overall longer-term strategy for pricing increases will be going forward?

Kelly Janzen

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes. Directionally, year-over-year, the pricing was a little bit even less than that. It’s really kind of incorporated into our change in existing customers, that $6 million that we talked about on Page 3, but we’re seeing a relatively similar trend as it relates to pricing.

George Tong

Analyst

Okay. So percentage, so are you seeing 1% contribution from prices or is pricing down is a negative 1%, or what kind of percentage can you provide?

Kelly Janzen

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes, relative pricing year-over-year was certainly a bit of a positive as it relates to that, and it was in a similar range of what the pricing was here for the quarter.

George Tong

Analyst

Okay, got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And this concludes the Q&A portion of today’s call. I’d like to turn the call back over to Phillip Holloman for closing remarks.

Phillip Holloman

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Thank you all for joining us today. We believe there is a significant opportunity for Vestis in the attractive uniform and workplace supplies market. We have a profitable business model with financial flexibility to achieve our objectives, and we are moving with a sense of urgency to enhance our execution and strengthen our core business. These efforts will set the foundation for sustainable, profitable growth and long-term value creation. We look forward to engaging with you further in the days and weeks ahead. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today’s Vestis Corporation fiscal second-quarter 2025 earnings conference call. Please disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day.