Shawn Singh
Analyst · Joanne Lee from Maxim Group. Please go ahead
Sure. Well, first, with respect to itruvone, or PH10, that's now, after a bit of a long run, it's staged to go into Phase 2b development in the U.S. Those - the efficacy study was run outside the U.S. And so we really had to start back to the point of the U.S. IND-enabling program. For that one, because there had been no prior U.S. activity or no prior U.S. IND, we did the whole standard battery of nonclinical studies followed by a small Phase 1 to then now be able to leap back over, we believe, the Phase 2a that was done and move into Phase 2b, so tremendously exciting program given what we just also learned that, like 94B or fasedienol, there's no meaningful systemic exposure. And the kinds of safety profile benefits that we see from fasedienol are also in the itruvone zone, meaning that we didn't - we don't anticipate sexual side effects. We don't anticipate weight gain. We don't anticipate many of the types of side effects and safety concerns that are associated with the currently approved systemic therapy. So very excited about that as the stand-alone treatment for major depressive disorder. As to PH80, again, you hit it. Hot flashes is hot right now. With the new NK3 antagonist that was approved, there's been a lot more interest of late in that space. There's an enormous population course that's affected by hot flashes for many years with very limited options that don't cause some concern, whether it's hormonal therapy or the new class. PH80 is majorly distinguished from both of those current treatment options and the antidepressants that are used for hot flashes because, again, like fasedienol and itruvone, we don't believe it's systemically absorbed. We think, again, that it also has the ability with neurocircuitry that's associated with temperature to be able to reduce the daily number of hot flashes that - just as we saw in the Phase 2a study but also the severity of those hot flashes and the types of things that disrupt lives, so sweating and function and the like. So it's exciting that the challenge with that one is, like PH10, we've got to go through what probably will be about a 12 to 15 months IND-enabling program, where we do the CMC work and the preclinical work that's needed to get back into a Phase 2b setting. The difference with this one is that there is a - there were - there was a prior U.S. IND. So we don't think we need to do a Phase 1 study in order to get into Phase 2b for this indication. So will be - it's not a long - it's not a lot of money, less than $2 million for these IND-enabling programs. We have to do similar work with PH15 and PH284, the other two pherine assets in the pipeline. So that's the status of both.