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Vuzix Corporation (VUZI)

Q1 2017 Earnings Call· Wed, May 10, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Vuzix First Quarter 2017 Financial Results and Business Update Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Now I would like to turn the conference over to Robert Haag, Managing Director at IRTH Communications. Mr. Haag, you may begin.

Robert Haag

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I would like to welcome all of you to Vuzix's first quarter 2017 financial results and business update conference call. With us today are Vuzix's CEO, Paul Travers; CFO, Grant Russell and the company's new COO, Paul Boris. Before I turn the call over to Paul Travers, I would like to remind you that in this call, management's prepared remarks contain forward-looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties, and the management may make additional forward-looking statements during the question-and-answer session. Therefore, the company claims the protection of the Safe Harbor for forward-looking statements that are contained in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results could differ materially from those contemplated by any forward-looking statements and as a result of certain factors not limited to general economic and business conditions, competitive factors, change in the business strategy or development plans, the ability to attract and retain qualified personnel, as well as changes in the legal and regulatory requirements. In addition, any projection as to the company's future performance represents management's estimates as of today, May 10, 2016. Vuzix assumes no obligation to update these projections in the future as market conditions change. This morning, the company filed it's 10-Q with the SEC and issued a press release announcing its financial results. So, participants in this call who have not already done so may -- who may not have already done so may wish to look at those documents as we provide a summary of the results we discussed today on this call. Today's call may include non-GAAP financial measures. When required, reconciliations to the most directly comparable financial measure calculated and presented in accordance with GAAP can be found in the Quarterly Filings at sec.gov which is also available at www.vuzix.com. I will now turn the call over to Vuzix's CEO, Paul Travers, who will give an overview of the company's business activities and developments during the first quarter of 2017. Paul will then turn the call over to Grant Russell, Vuzix's CFO, who will give an overview of the company's first quarter results. And after that Paul will talk more about the company's outlook, technology and programs for growth. Following Paul Travers will be Paul Boris, Vuzix's new COO, who will provide a brief introduction and share his thoughts on where things stand at Vuzix. We will then open the call up for Q&A after management update. Paul, go ahead.

Paul Travers

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

Thank you, Robert. Hello everyone and thank you all for joining our call today to discuss the company's first quarter 2017 financial results and business outlook for 2017. 2017 is off to a tremendous start in Vuzix as evidenced by our first $1 million plus revenue quarters since we sold our defense division in 2012. Our brand and positioning as a leading supplier of smart glasses and enterprise continues to gain steam to our direct customers and to other leading enterprise players as evidenced by Vuzix's strategic agreement with leading PC electronics firm Toshiba and with another -- a number of other active OEM engagements. Our primary objective this year is to execute to our business plan, grow revenue, increase our M300 production, broaden our distribution channels and prioritize support and actively engage interest received from select OEMs. To help support this effort we've named Paul Morris former Vice President of Manufacturing Industries of GE Digital as our Chief Operating Officer. Paul has been a pioneer in wearable hands-free manufacturing for several years and look forward to his input and impact on our manufacturing, engineering and software development and business development efforts in general to help drive the commercial adoption of our smart glasses product lines. The opportunity at hand with the enterprise space is to outfit mobile workers with smart glasses in the United States alone is enormous and if you age of the potential market size more than doubles. Forester research estimates that nearly 14.4 million US workers will use smart glasses in 2025 with net new sales eclipsing replacement sales until 2021. Having aggregate a $1000 dollars per unit, this represents a $14 for billion market for hardware sales in the US alone. To get a feel for some of these numbers come from in the U.S.…

Grant Russell

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

Thanks Paul. Good afternoon, everybody. Before I begin I’d like to point out that I'll be rounding many of the discussed numbers to thousands it might be forward dollars. I also encourage interested listeners to review our 10-Q for more detailed explanation and some of the quarter’s year-over-year variances as I will be highlighting just a few. On the revenue side for the three months ending March 31, 2017 we reported $1,211,012 revenues as compared to $364,000 for the same period in 2016, an increase of over 233% year-over-year. Overall sales were up primarily the result of the volume production release and commencement of sales related to our M300 smart glasses and the sales of engineering services for specialty version of our smart glasses for Toshiba. We achieved a positive overall net gross margin for the three months ended March 31 of $149,000 as compared to a gross loss of $239,000 for the same period last year. The improvement was primarily the result of increased product revenues which allowed for the pull of all our relatively fixed overhead costs such as facilities, software royalties and amortization. Further Q1 margin improvement was driven by our engineering services, which contributed materially to our overall gross margin improvement from the 2017 quarter. As we continued to achieve higher sales, the absorption of all these overhead costs could be leveraged further and contribute to significant levels of margin improvement pretty quickly. Additionally, the greater maturity of our production processes and the transfer of the M300 manufacturing product line offshore will result in lower manufacturing costs resulting ultimately in additional margin improvement. Q1 2017 gross profit was hampered by zero gross profit earned on the iWear video headphones sales due to its prior write-down to its net expected realizable value at the end of December…

Paul Travers

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

Thank you, Grant. Let’s start with an update on the M300 again we had a solid start in the first quarter of 2017 despite Q1 2017 being such a big jump over Q1 2016 our financial results were constrained by manufacturing ramp and yields. As such we shipped all the M300 inventory that was available, we shipped to our customers in Q1 and we clearly could have shipped much more based on demand. Our manufacturing and rollout strategy for the M300 was to begin initial production in the United States and to work with our VIP partners to improve the features, software and manufacturing details as well as giving our VIPs a head start on their software efforts. At the same time this has helped us lockdown the manufacturing process with the planned move to manufacturing in China with our partner as soon as possible to reduce cost and improve yield numbers. Starting production in United States allowed us to leverage shorter shipment lead times to cast and optimize the M300 and respond quickly to necessary tweaks during the initial manufacturing process. We began ramping production of the M300 in mid-February and assembly of the first 1,000 units readily target for Q1 2017 was completed by mid-April from our partners U.S. manufacturing facility. As the M300 units were received they were flat software direction tested an immediately shifted out to door of the customers. The process of transferring the M300 manufacturing lines from the U.S. to China is well underway in the current quarter. Manufacturing the M300 in China will lower our cost profile, improve our yields and expand production levels. Our existing partner is tracking the production line in China for manufacturing the M300 and we expect to be up running over the next few weeks because of everything…

Paul Boris

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

Thanks, Paul, and good afternoon, everyone. So, let me start by sharing how excited I am to join the Vuzix’s team. We’ve got impressive technology and we’re at a time in history where the ability to expose, move and store business-critical data seamlessly across the value chain is intersecting with our ability to use machine learning and our efficient intelligence to make sense of it in new ways. This manifest itself in things like prescriptive analytics, digital thread, digital twin, all of this is really great for people, and it's great for business unless, of course, you can't render the results in a simple consumable way on demand and in context. And that's where the rubber meets the road for all this cool new tech and precisely where we fit in the solutions stack. We’ve a critical component to the success of trends like smart manufacturing service, industry 4.0, and whatever name the companies use for the data connected enterprise. As an introduction, I’m a manufacturing and operations guy. I’ve got over 30 years in the space either running operations or developing selling and deploying technologies to enable rapid sustainable outcomes for industry. A few years ago, I joined GE as the CIO of advanced manufacturing strategy after nine years or so at SAP. Based on the successes that we drove early on for GE's own manufacturing sites, I was asked to take a role as the vice president of manufacturing industries with the newly formed GE digital organization. In short, I was asked to take the successes we drove internally and move them into a broader market. I got to see firsthand what this technology will do for industry, and more importantly how quickly the right solutions properly positioned will be adopted. I say I am excited about where Vuzix is headed. That puts it lightly. Beyond that, I have a legacy of delivering systematic improvement scalability, all infused with a right dose of technical innovation. I love tech but it's only when you deliver real measurable outcomes both internally and externally that you can really claim the value from it. Again, I’m excited at where we’re headed, and equally excited about the tools and teams we have that will take us there. So, thanks for letting me introduce myself, and I'll turn it back over to you.

Paul Travers

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

Thanks, Paul. I’d like to add that Vuzix is equally excited to have an individual of your stature, realize the journey, and see the value proposition that Vuzix is on the cusp on of delivering on. And we’re thrilled that you’ve decided to join our team to help make it happen. It's says an awful lot. To close out our meeting, I would like to let everyone know that Vuzix will be hosting an open house during our annual shareholders meeting on June 13 here in Rochester, New York, our corporate headquarters. We will be letting everyone know more details for the event shortly, but please save the date if you’re interested in seeing the latest from Vuzix and some our VIPs and application in person. Now, let me pass the meeting to Robert.

Robert Haag

Analyst

Thanks, Paul. That's all amazing stuff and we’re all very impressed. We would like to now open the call for questions. So, operator, if you can open the call for questions, that’d be great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

At this time, we'll be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Jim McIlree of Chardan Capital. Please go ahead.

Jim McElroy

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

Thank you, good evening. I think, Paul, you said that you shipped 1,000 of the M300's through April. So, did you book revenue on all 1,000 so far? And approximately how much wasn't booked in revenue in Q1?

Paul Travers

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

Jim, I’m going to let Grant answer that.

Grant Russell

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

We’ve booked in Q1 what we could -- what we shipped. That said, at the end of the quarter, we’d only been able to fill about little over 50% of our migration orders and we fulfilled none of our preorders. But that said, we did not ship those 1,000 units in the year. I thought we said some production, continued production startup issues in the yield were there. We are unable to do so. We could have easily solved them all but that’s why you see in our balance sheet at March 31, differed revenues and customer deposits.

Jim McElroy

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

Right. So, for Q2 -- well on the production side, all of those issues have been solved or you're still solving them?

Grant Russell

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

We can make product now, Jim. We’ll stay where we are in the middle of a week to two here transition as we bring up the China facility. So, we’re producing, as we said in our talk here just a minute ago, we don’t expect to see a drought. We actually don't have much in the line of inventory because we continue to ship as the inventories come on board.

Jim McElroy

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

And so, all of the migration orders have been fulfilled and right now you're working on the preorders. Is that correct?

Grant Russell

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

No, Jim. As of today, we still got unfulfilled migration orders, and we shipped zero against our customer deposit.

Paul Travers

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

There's a lot of demand still, Jim.

Grant Russell

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

And strategically, there might be a little bit of line jumping here and there, but it’s needed.

Jim McElroy

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

Are you expecting to fulfill? Are you expecting to complete all the migration orders this quarter?

Paul Travers

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

We expect to fulfil all the migration orders, but there’s a ton of other stuff that's in the queue that’s right behind it.

Jim McElroy

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

Okay, and I'm a little bit confused about the M100. Last quarter on the call you said that you were going to place another order. I think you might even said you have placed another order and this time around, it sounds like you're still uncertain.

Paul Travers

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

I'm sorry. Maybe I wasn't clear. We have placed another order already in the first quarter.

Paul Boris

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

And maybe indicating because of the continued demand for the product, we might be placing another order.

Jim McElroy

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

Another one after the one you -- okay great that.

Paul Boris

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

Expecting delivery in the next 30 days the one coming thereafter well we’ll see.

Jim McElroy

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

Right. Okay. That clarify it thank you so much. All right thanks a lot good luck everything.

Paul Travers

Analyst · Chardan Capital. Please go ahead

Thank you, John.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Brian Kinstlinger of Maxim Group. Please go ahead.

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

Great congratulations, I think you definitely demonstrated you have a significant head start versus your peers.

Paul Travers

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

Thank you, Brian.

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

What I wanted to talk about I thought it was interesting comment you mentioned you have several OEMs. other than Toshiba I am wondering will you be able to announce them soon or provide any other detail and maybe how many you have in total?

Paul Travers

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

The answer there definitely will be announcements coming from those OEMs I don't know the timeframe it should be definitely in 2017 because things are rolling with these folks but the answer is yes, I just don’t know the timing Brian.

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

And can you compare them in size to Toshiba?

Paul Travers

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

They’re their tier consumer electronics firms.

Grant Russell

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

Maybe equal or bigger.

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

Yeah great.

Paul Travers

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

In electronic and they’re price based.

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

Yeah and then when you finally are in China, which sounds like soon and you’re at scale so the economy is at scale for your suppliers are where you want them to be what is your target gross margin for the M300 what does that look like?

Grant Russell

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

Look with current expected wholesale selling prices it’s going to be around 55%.

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

Right, but that 55% will be reached at what volume not a couple of quarters or do you think by the second half of the year you'll see something like that?

Grant Russell

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

It will be during Q3 and the 55% is pretty an overhead allocation, that’s the product cost. So obviously we need enough total revenues to absorb all the manufacturing cost.

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

The product gross margin will be 55% but the overall gross margin won't be something that looks like that for probably another year is that right?

Grant Russell

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

And sort of how fast we ramp but for sure on mature basis we hope to be north of we think we can get north of 40%.

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

Great and then just a follow-up on one of Jim’s question can you actually supply us the number of M100 and M300s that you delivered in the quarter?

Paul Travers

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

For competitive reasons, even Brian we don’t want to start breaking this thing down into market areas and which products went where and those kind of things.

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

Okay. I think one of the differentiation and we’ve seen companies fail in the past due to lack of software applications and you’ve obviously highlighted that in other calls and some of your press releases, can you talk about how many software apps you have right now working on the M300?

Paul Travers

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

We have over 50 VIPs if you look at the press release and we haven’t announced all of them. Each one of those guys represent between one and three or four applications. Some of these guys are building significant businesses around smart glasses so they have picking applications, they have manufacturing applications, they have quality applications. Other companies are value added resells are focused just on field service. So, they might just have one. I will add that there is upwards of 4.000 developers in all of that other group we could probably point to over 250 value added resellers in total that are writing applications around it.

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

And by year end how long does it take to build some of these apps on average? Will you have 100s by year-end do you think? Will you have much more?

Paul Travers

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

The beautiful things about where Vuzix is in that today is we’ve been doing this with smart glasses for a fair number of years already. So, there is a big head start and our whole VIP program in early access was about making sure that some of the bigger more important I shouldn’t say more important, every one of our customers is important, but the guys that are more driven with the guys that made it into our VIP program. So, we're off to a really good start here, but I expect it just keep accelerating. I will say that Vuzix is also looking for ways to be able to make it even easier down the road for folks to develop around our products?

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

Yeah and then you had mentioned 1500 per month is your planned capacity pretty soon. If I assume for four collateral start maybe in the third quarter, maybe a little bit after, do you think you have demand right now for that or that begin to build a little bit of inventory in the second-half of the year?

Paul Travers

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

I am not sure that we’re going to be able to build inventory through the fall of the year based upon how fast some of our VIPs will start cracking up.

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

So that leads to my last question when Toshiba and other start to sell these glasses where will the additional capacity come from? Will you have to open a much larger facility or will you be able to build that capacity with your current supplier to meet those other OEMs demand?

Paul Travers

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

Yeah, we’ll not need to sell new tools. The system that we have in place, the part of the reason why the overheads are there is because it’s capable of delivering significantly more than that number.

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

Great very exciting results thanks.

Paul Travers

Analyst · Maxim Group. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from James Medvedev of Cowen & Company. Please go ahead.

James Medvedev

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Hi guys thanks for taking my questions, a lot of them have been answered but let me just ask a little bit about the expense categories, the expense lines. So, the R&D is up pretty sharply year-over-year, it’s a little bit more or less flat with the fourth quarter, what’s the outlook there?

Grant Russell

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

A lot of it is related to the M300 and going through the final regulatory approvals around the world as well as -- we had to do some finetuning and we have yields issues and made some last-minute changes. So that cost us money for us. We probably added -- we’ve gone from maybe around 18-20 people a year ago and we're closer to the 30 people on R&D. So, when you add and you like that out, you end up with the larger increase, but I did say that it has ticked down from Q4 because we had a lot of resources targeted at the M300 and it should moderate a little. But we have as Paul highlighted we got a Blade 3000 in development. We got M3000 and right after some AR3000. So, we have a pretty good schedule laid out by using more of our internal personnel and we can somebody to do offer him a job for a third or a quarter of the price of somebody external contractor. So, we're going to try to make better use of our own internal team.

James Medvedev

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Okay. Great and can you characterize how sales and marketing should unfold for the next few quarters?

Grant Russell

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Well Q1 at least for us we’ve always been historically a little bit of the peak and that's primarily because we have a big presence at CEF each year. We do Mobile World Congress and we did a EMA Conference and we are signed up for the game developers conference this March and we decided not to go as part of our -- we have to deliver M100. There is some -- there's nothing planned too much in the next couple of quarters. There's no new major product roll out releases. We’re going to continue to make some improvements in our website and marketing literature and some other activities. So, I think you shouldn’t be seeing much in the way of increases over the next couple of quarters at least in sales and marketing.

James Medvedev

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Okay. And then you said you added some headcount in G&A. So how does move you into the next few quarters?

Grant Russell

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

It's probably going to add well we’re going to save a little on -- against the high SOX cost because it is deferred to [indiscernible] audit and some other things I would think we’ll clearly won't go back there where we were at the prior year. But I don't think you’re going to see any absolutely dollar increases in G&A over the next few quarters I mean the addition of staff might add and extra costs 60,000, 75,000 a quarter and most so there shouldn’t be any big shocks there.

James Medvedev

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Okay. Great. Thank you so much.

Grant Russell

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please go ahead

Okay.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Amit Dayal of Rodman & Renshaw. Please go ahead.

Amit Dayal

Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Please go ahead

Thank you. Good evening guys. Just a question on Toshiba, it looks like you still have plans moving forward continuing on the agreement you announced, but in the background, we’re seeing some bankruptcies related issue prop up in the news recently can you talk a little bit about that?

Paul Travers

Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Please go ahead

Yeah, we don't know what all of Toshiba's plans are around that. I can tell you that they have assets that can seaming easily take care of that issue. The groups that we're working with inside of Toshiba have nothing to do with the power plant issues that other associates was going on at Toshiba. They're a massive company. It's just impossible for me to believe despite the fact that they have to put out filings that are so cautious about where they may end up, its impossible for me to believe that that's going to impact what we’re doing with Toshiba. In fact, everything that we’re doing with Toshiba is related to the future of where Toshiba could be going. So, I think they perceive views as a very important part of where they’re at. I was visiting Toshiba just two weeks ago plus on the West Coast and meeting with some of the very, very senior people and they're just really motivated to work this program with Vuzix and the future with Vuzix.

Amit Dayal

Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Please go ahead

Understood. And can you talk a little bit about what these engineering solutions comprise of and is this going to be sort of consistent revenue stream for the company going forward?

Paul Travers

Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Please go ahead

Yes, there is an engineering component to this Amit because we’re taking amazing technology that Vuzix developed over the years and we are forming in into a version of a device that is needed that's unique for what Toshiba is going to offer to world. And what they are offering is really synergistic to Vuzix, but it does not in any way impact the revenue streams that we see our current products making. So, it's a great relationship between two of us there and those engineering dollars are only beginning their relationship. We’ll be in production knock on wood in the fall of the year and this is where things get fun between us and Toshiba. They are going to be rolling this unique solution out into the enterprise marketplace and buying in volume from Vuzix, which is another complete different effort at revenue stream that will be recurring and recurring between us and Toshiba.

Grant Russell

Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Please go ahead

And that will be product revenues, but the NREs are purely for engineering services situation or prototypes designs maybe some custom tooling because it’s not for our product and they're helping to pay for that leveraging all the part work we did -- we report that as engineering revenues.

Amit Dayal

Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Please go ahead

Understood. And from a revenue growth perspective, can you talk about whether we could potentially see sequential revenue growth with all of these production issues being resolved right now or will the second quarter maybe flat maybe a little softer and then you resume growth in the third and fourth quarters any color on how the revenues will probably play out over the next few quarters?

Grant Russell

Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Please go ahead

Amit, we’re really excited about where we’re at. I will say that we’re just get rolled and hick-ups happen along the way, but if they’re just modest hiccups, we should see continued revenue growth -- that's reasonably substantial and I am cautious just like I was in the last conference call, are you going sell exactly a 1,000 or not? There is always that there is a haze when you are a company with Vuzix is just getting through all of this. But we continue revenue growth throughout the year and if it really worked well, it should be pretty significant.

Amit Dayal

Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Please go ahead

Understood.

Grant Russell

Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Please go ahead

It’s an exciting time really on that.

Amit Dayal

Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Please go ahead

And this decision to move or push out M3000, are you looking to bring this back a year from now look any color on what you're planning to do with the rollout of the M3000 now and whether in terms…

Grant Russell

Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Please go ahead

I am sorry.

Amit Dayal

Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Please go ahead

No go ahead.

Grant Russell

Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Please go ahead

It’s a very important product for Vuzix. If you want to talk about a really big differentiation of the competition, that is a huge step and the M300 is in a solid place right now. It has great opportunities, but right behind it, it's going to be the one, two times with the M3000 because it opens up even more amazing opportunities. So, it's high on our list, it's just amazing amount of attention to B3000 the blade and we have limited resources and we said where should we put in the best optimized revenue for the year and the opportunities for Vuzix for the year, the blade clearly was a better place. There is less competition for the M300 first and there is a lot of folks that are partners that would rather see us not have such a competitive device. So, it just made more sense. Now it's not going to be the last latter half of 2018 you'll see it. I don't know exactly when, but you'll see it in the earlier part of 2018.

Paul Travers

Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Please go ahead

And additionally, when we made a decision to take on the Toshiba project requested them to modify one of our smart glasses and we gave them a higher priority for the M3000 just because it's good revenue paying and it could have a very potential quick ramp and into volume production. So, if we had another eight or 10 engineers then we're still recruiting people smartly, things could change but we could only do so much so fast, so that's the other reason why it slipped a little bit.

Amit Dayal

Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Please go ahead

Understood. That's all I have guys. Thank you so much.

Paul Travers

Analyst · Rodman & Renshaw. Please go ahead

Thanks Amit.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of the question-and-answer session and I would like to turn the call back to Paul Travers for closing remarks.