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V2X, Inc. (VVX)

Q4 2023 Earnings Call· Tue, Mar 5, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for joining us for the V2X Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. Today's call is being recorded. My name is Maria, and I'll be the operator for today's call. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode. Following management's presentation, I will open the call up for a Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. And now, I'll pass the call over to your host, Mike Smith, Vice President of Treasury, Investor Relations and Corporate Development at V2X. You may go ahead, sir.

Mike Smith

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the V2X fourth quarter and full-year 2023 earnings conference call. Joining us today are Chuck Prow, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Shawn Mural, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Slides for today's presentation are available on the Investor Relations section of our website, gov2x.com. Please turn to slide two. During today's presentation, management will be making forward-looking statements pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Federal Securities Laws. Please review our Safe Harbor statements in our press release and presentation materials for a description of some of the factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from the results contemplated by these forward-looking statements. The company assumes no obligation to update its forward-looking statements. Additionally, I would like to point out that in addition to GAAP earnings, we will be discussing and reporting various adjusted non-GAAP metrics, including adjusted EBITDA and margin, adjusted operating cash flow, adjusted net income, and adjusted diluted earnings per share. The definition of these non-GAAP measures can be found in our presentation materials available on our Investor Relations website and in our press release filed with the SEC. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Chuck Prow.

Chuck Prow

Analyst

Thank you, Mike, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on the call today. Please turn to slide three. Before we get started, I'd like to thank you over 16,000 V2X employees for their contributions and in particular their performance during the fourth quarter to end 2023 on a high note. I just returned from a trip to the Middle East visiting our clients and people. The feedback I receive from our clients underscore the unwavering service, agility, innovation and technology enabled solutions that we are delivering in support of their most critical missions. It's this around the clock, around the globe commitment to our clients that would drive our continued leadership and growth. Please turn to slide four. The transformation of V2X continues. Organic and inorganic growth, which improves scale, profitability, diversification and capabilities has allowed us to emerge as a leader in the operational segment of the broader federal services marketplace. Our company is purpose built across an expanded client, contract and geographic footprint to deliver value in this market. Our market has witnessed significant structural changes in recent years and continues to rapidly evolve. We are advancing how missions are operated by leveraging converged and engineered solutions at the intersection of technology and operations. This includes modernization and sustainment support that elongates platform lifecycles, while enhancing capabilities. These improved outcomes yield greater value for our clients and shareholders, while providing greater opportunities for our people. Please turn to slide five. Top line momentum extended into the fourth quarter with revenues once again exceeding $1 billion. This resulted in revenue growth of 6% year-over-year and 4% sequentially. Revenue for the full-year increased 8% on a pro forma basis to $3.96 billion, which was also ahead of our guidance range. Revenue in the fourth quarter was driven…

Shawn Mural

Analyst

Thanks, Chuck; and good morning, everyone. Please turn to slide eight, where I'll discuss our fourth quarter financial results. Performance across all metrics was in line or above our expectations for the quarter. Revenue of $1.04 billion in the quarter represents growth of 6% year-over-year and exceeded our expectations due to exceptional team performance, delivering milestones ahead of schedule, expansion on existing programs and new business. Adjusted EBITDA in the quarter was $82.1 million, delivering a margin of 7.9%. Adjusted EBITDA and the margin increased sequentially as anticipated. Adjusted diluted EPS was $1.22, up 26% from the prior year. The growth reflects lower income tax and interest expense, partially offset by higher depreciation and other expense. Interest expense for the quarter was $28.5 million. Cash interest expense was $26.3 million. The team delivered strong cash flow performance with adjusted operating cash flow of $75.9 million, representing a 195% net income conversion. Please turn to slide nine, where I'll discuss our full-year results. Full year 2023 revenue was $3.96 billion, increasing 8% on a pro forma basis year-over-year. Adjusted EBITDA for the full-year was $293.9 million, or 7.4% margin, compared to $278 million on a pro forma basis in the prior year. Adjusted diluted EPS was $3.74 based on 31.6 million weighted average shares. Interest expense for the year was $122.4 million. Cash interest expense was $113.4 million. Net cash provided by operating activities was $188 million for the year. Adjusted operating cash flow was $159.5 million, exceeded the upper end of our guidance range. The strong performance represents 135% adjusted net income conversion and contributed to a record day sales outstanding of 58 days. Please turn to slide 10 to discuss cash and liquidity. As mentioned, cash generation was strong and enabled us to reduce total net debt by $137.1…

Chuck Prow

Analyst

Thanks, Shawn. Please turn to Slide 12. V2X remains focused on creating value for shareholders. The four components by which we plan to achieve this include: one, continued focus on generating top line revenue growth through backlog conversion, on contract growth and execution of our robust pipeline into new awards in our core markets. Two, increasing profit via revenue growth and operating leverage, as well as margin improvement through program performance, technology insertion and campaigns. Three, continued strong conversion of profit into operating cash flow through disciplined working capital management and low capital intensity. And, four, utilizing our high reoccurring cash flow to strengthen our balance sheet and further reduce interest expense and net debt. In conclusion, V2X continues to transform to deliver enhanced capabilities in an expanding market. We have strong momentum, robust backlog, highly aligned pipeline, limited recompetes, and high free cash generation that provides an excellent fundamental profile to support value creation in 2024. Now, I'd like to turn the call open to questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Tobey Sommer with Truist Securities. Please proceed with your question. Tobey, are you there?

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Yes, I am. Can you hear me?

Shawn Mural

Analyst

Hey, Tobey.

Chuck Prow

Analyst

Yes, we can now. Tobey, how are you?

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

That's great. Could you provide some incremental color on the FMS pipeline, including geographic breadth and sort of describing new work versus takeaways from traditional competitors? Thanks.

Chuck Prow

Analyst

Sure. We -- in general, as the name would say, the majority of our FMS pipeline is in CENTCOM and INDOPACOM, and to a much lesser degree, I would say Eastern Europe. The most recent activity that we announced, and I'm sorry I can't give all the specifics yet, was actually a new requirement, something that was not being done before by another provider. It is aerospace O&M. And I will tell you that it is the combination of rotary wing maintenance as well as facility maintenance. The remainder of the pipeline is really balanced between aerospace O&M as well as logistics/operations management. And it's a good question. I would just -- judging from memory here, I would say we're probably about half takeaway and half net new requirement in that FMS pipeline.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Thank you. Could you describe the timing of the wind down of projects in contracts? We have some airframes being retired. Just thinking about from a modeling perspective when the sort of most significant headwind to growth?

Chuck Prow

Analyst

Yeah. I would say, and Shawn please feel free to chime in here, so this will be the final year of the wind down for both the KC-10 and the T-1A. It's relatively balanced throughout the year. As we've indicated, we'll see sequential growth to make up for that wind down. So, I would say, a bit earlier waited in the year, but extending through the full year. Shawn, anything to add?

Shawn Mural

Analyst

No. Exactly. Thanks, Chuck, yes. We'll grow sequentially throughout the year, Tobey. And I would say it's first half weighted, meaning some of those headwinds as things wind down again, as we said and expected.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Thanks. Question we get from investors, if peace breaks out, which the news doesn't seem to convey as likely anytime here near term, does the company have activities that would cease? And if so, how much revenue is exposed?

Chuck Prow

Analyst

I would say, if peace were to break out, that's -- I guess we can all pray for that, I suppose. But, by and large, the missions that we're maintaining will, I would largely, if not entirely, continue. You always have risk like we saw in Afghanistan a couple of years ago, if we were to pull out of a country. We have no indications of that. We often talk about on these calls. And when we talk to you and other analysts and investors about op tempo. Today, we do have tailwinds with regards to both revenue and profit generation just because of the rate and pace of activities in both CENTCOM, or Eastern Europe and as you saw in the reported results in INDOPACOM, a lot of activity in INDOPACOM. As we mentioned in the prepared remarks, Tobey, we actually had higher revenue in the second-half of the year in INDOPACOM, although the first-half of the year is where the exercise actually occurred. So, kind of a long winded answer to your question. But as the military infrastructure continues to age, as the airframes and ground vehicles continue to age, that actually creates more requirements for V2X.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Thanks. Just quickly, could you elaborate on the GMR-1000 opportunity, including comment on the sort of size and scope of that? Thank you very much.

Chuck Prow

Analyst

What GMR-1000 represents is a new suite of capabilities that are really taking hold post the merger. We believed that the untethering of the Indianapolis facility when it was acquired by Vertex, and ultimately now part of V2X, would create opportunities because of the organizational conflict of interest of being owned by a prime contractor going away. We're in fact seeing that. And this whole suite of engineered solutions, GMR-1000 being one, is our really great engineers and capabilities in Indianapolis working with both new and existing platforms, in this case a router, and hardening those capabilities in such a way that they can be used for new and innovative military missions. So, as we've mentioned in the prepared remarks, this is actually a sole-source bid. We don't know whether or not we've won yet, but the traction of the GMR-1000 and other engineered solutions is actually progressing very, very nicely.

Tobey Sommer

Analyst

Thank you.

Chuck Prow

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Joe Gomes with Noble Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Joe Gomes

Analyst · Noble Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning. Nice quarter.

Chuck Prow

Analyst · Noble Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. How are you?

Joe Gomes

Analyst · Noble Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Good. So, first question, kind of little -- couple of parts to it, but book-to-bill was a little light in the quarter and wondering is that solely due to the protested and then the foreign contract that is still being definitized, or is it -- the continuing resolution which has gone on much longer than I think all of us had anticipated? Is that starting to impact? You were saying that you have $9 billion in bids waiting for award, up from $6 billion at the end of last quarter. Maybe you can talk a little bit about the continuity resolution and any impact it's having on you also?

Shawn Mural

Analyst · Noble Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Hey, Joe, this is Shawn. Yes, so exactly as you pointed out, right. So the pending awards increased $3 billion in the quarter. It's a bit muted environment relative to the case and the cadence of the awards, and nothing of note. I don't think we're concerned about anything, but we are seeing a bit of a slowdown from some of those things. We would have liked to have seen them, but I -- it doesn't change our outlook for successfully capturing those -- that work. Chuck, anything else?

Chuck Prow

Analyst · Noble Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

No. I think, you're right. We -- as always, in continuing resolution, the rate and pace of awards slow. Again, the ops tempo that we're seeing, and you see that in our revenue and our on-contract growth continues strong. So, I think, as we move through this year, we will see awards again. It will be a little slower than we would like, but we're very confident in our guidance.

Joe Gomes

Analyst · Noble Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. And speaking of the guidance, the adjusted EBITDA margin, if I look at it on the midpoint, it's -- it comes to be about 7.4% in 2024, which would be flat with 2023. And is that just a kind of reflection of more of some of these newer contracts just beginning, or is there anything else behind that fact that it appears to be flat projected year-over-year?

Shawn Mural

Analyst · Noble Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. No. Joe, I'd say it's exactly as you described, right. So, some of the programs that are completion, right. So, we've set all along our programs, as they mature, they tend to move into higher margins. We're seeing the ramp up of new work. We'll continue to mature those things and improve the profitability over time. And so, throughout the year, you'll see us do that kind of sequentially when we think about the margin profile of the business over the course of the year. But, yes, you're exactly right at the midpoint. We're probably right at the 7.4% there, yes.

Joe Gomes

Analyst · Noble Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. One more for me on the guidance, and maybe you can kind of give us a little bit of cadence. Historically, you're kind of at that 45% in the first-half, 55% revenue in the second-half. But one of the things Chuck you had mentioned, last year you benefited in the first and second quarter by the exercises in INDOPACOM. I'm assuming those don't repeat this year. Maybe you can give us a little bit of size, the impact they had on Q1 and Q2? And should we still kind of expect that 45%, 55% split on the guidance?

Shawn Mural

Analyst · Noble Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. I'd say -- I'd look at it this way on the top line, Joe. I'd look at slightly less than 50% probably of the revenue in the first-half. Somewhere right between that 45% and 50% in the first half of the year. And then on the margin profile and the adjusted EBITDA, I'd probably look at that as being slightly below kind of 45% in the first half. Again, consistent with that ramp that we'll see sequentially, kind of, quarter-by-quarter as we go throughout the year as new work comes on and as the teams mature our execution. Chuck, anything else?

Chuck Prow

Analyst · Noble Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

No. As you said it perfectly, last year we did benefit from kind of extraordinary activity that happened in the beginning of the year. As you know, you followed us for a while. The first half, second half dynamic has been very consistent, going all the way back to Vectrus days. And, again, we feel very comfortable with the guide and we feel very comfortable with the ramp throughout the year.

Joe Gomes

Analyst · Noble Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Chuck Prow

Analyst · Noble Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. Appreciate it.

Shawn Mural

Analyst · Noble Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Trevor Walsh with Citizens [JMP] (ph). Please proceed with your question.

Trevor Walsh

Analyst

Hi. Great morning, team. Thanks for taking my questions, and I'll echo my congrats on a great finish to the year. Similar to the color that you provided on the FMS pipeline, I was wondering, Chuck, maybe if you could do a similar type of rundown just on the $9 billion in bids submitted that you had. Just kind of -- just generally where that falls within the portfolio of products and how that looks in terms of what the mix is there, if you could?

Chuck Prow

Analyst

Yes. No. That's -- thank you for asking the question, because we're really thrilled with how we've been able to kind of curate or cultivate our pipeline over the last couple of years. Of that $9 billion, I would say there's a good mix, maybe you call it a proportional mix between our core businesses of logistics based management and aerospace O&M, and then the newer converged technology and engineered solution pipeline. We really have a really nice emerging pipeline in our intelligence community business as well. So, again, the new capabilities that we have introduced over the last several years are now importantly represented in that pipeline that we discussed, and we're actually thrilled with that progress.

Trevor Walsh

Analyst

Great. Terrific. You mentioned a newer defense system or platform. I don't know if that's classified or if you're able to give it a little bit more detail or it's just not finalized yet, but just curious how technology driven that particular project was?

Chuck Prow

Analyst

Yes. It's -- we can't talk -- we cannot talk about it. It is finished. It's a wonderful story. It's something -- it's a requirement that went from inception to fielding in under a year, and it's highly technical. Again, falling back to the engineered solutions that we discussed here during the call and in the prior questions, you can simplify it this way or generalize it this way, is we are taking existing platforms, some of them older, some of them more recent, and we are engineering ways for those older platforms to either work together and/or to extend their capabilities. It's a really important part of our business, because we can now approach both the military intelligence communities as well as prime contractors with new and different ways of, again, extending lifecycles and/or improving capabilities of -- in many cases, platforms that have been out there for a long, long time.

Trevor Walsh

Analyst

Terrific. Thank you for the perspective. Maybe one more from me. For Shawn, it looked like, based on the guide, that you've got a little bit of an uptick in the CapEx outlook for the year going from about $25 million to $30 million. It looked like from what I could tell in our model. Just curious where the added investment is going or kind of what you see, kind of where the -- where that spend will be progressing throughout the year?

Shawn Mural

Analyst

Yes. No. Great question. Thank you. So, we had mentioned at the end of last year, in the third quarter release, that we would -- we thought CapEx would be around $28 million. We came in slightly under that, Trevor. We came in right around $26 million in CapEx for 2023. And so, really what you're seeing is a carryover of that. Think of that as engineering tools. Again, just -- everything that Chuck just mentioned about the modernization and sustainment capabilities that the business has, we're investing in some engineering tools to help ensure that we have that capability and we enhance it going forward. So, that's really all it is, Trevor, is timing between years on those investments.

Trevor Walsh

Analyst

Got it. Makes sense. Okay. Thanks for taking my questions. I'll hop back in the queue.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Stephen Strackhouse with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Stephen Strackhouse

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good morning, all. Thank you for taking my question. I was hoping you could provide a little bit more detail around the Middle East exposure, maybe how fast can that market grow? And then maybe just even kind of compare contrasting that to INDOPACOM?

Chuck Prow

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, you said -- Stephen, hello, how are you doing? Did you say -- you cut out, but you say Middle East exposure?

Stephen Strackhouse

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, I did. Yes.

Chuck Prow

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. So, yes. So, we -- Middle East is our -- and has been historically our largest individual, non-CONUS area of operation. We've been operating in the region for really three decades now. As you undoubtedly know, there is a lot of activity in the Middle East now. As we mentioned in the prepared remarks, the op tempo that we are in fact seeing in the region today is being largely handled through the existing contracts we have in the region. Although we did note a new win with the Air Force as well, that'll be ramping here as we speak. With regards to additional business, additional orders, we do believe when all the funding situations are finally resolved with regards to the Congressional action, there are opportunities for new awards. We have several demand signals from our clients that we worked diligently with our clients on. But, again, we see op tempo remaining high for the foreseeable future. And, again, as the budget resolutions -- as the budget situations, I should say, are resolved, the opportunity for new orders may in fact arise.

Stephen Strackhouse

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Great. Thank you for that. And then maybe just kind of following up there on the budget, maybe just the impact of the CR and kind of what is or isn't factored into the 2024 guide? And then maybe also just kind of how importantly kind of the lack of any Ukraine supplemental might be, or then what upside that has for the 2024 guide as well?

Chuck Prow

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

So, we have factored in a more muted award scenario for this year, as Shawn indicated in his prepared remarks in the prior question. Having said that, we will see some awards. Our teams continue to do an excellent job with on-contract growth, which is typically provided from the existing budgets. And then the reality is that the op tempo remains high. So, I think, balancing both new awards on-contract growth and the realistic -- and the realities, I should say, of the current op tempo gives us confidence in the guides that we've issued here today. I think, you mentioned INDOPACOM, too. There are not exercises, named exercises scheduled at this point in time, because, as we've indicated in the past, those are done on odd years. Having said that, we continue to see several demand signals and a high degree of op tempo in the region, and we continue to provide ways to modernize bases that we're currently operating on, such as Kwajalein in the Marshall Islands.

Stephen Strackhouse

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Great. Really appreciate the color. I'll jump back in the queue.

Chuck Prow

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Sahej Singh with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Sahej Singh

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, guys. Good morning. I'm on for Bert.

Chuck Prow

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

How are you?

Shawn Mural

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning.

Sahej Singh

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Doing well. I guess, you've touched on it, but just to get some more color on it, just curious about your view on MRO ramped lifecycles. You sort of talked about pipeline, but what are you seeing in terms of new awards? How do you then see that impacting or normalizing margins? Just any color you could provide there would be helpful.

Chuck Prow

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

As we talked last quarter, the F-5 Adversary award was an important award. It happens to be fixed price as well. It's still under protest. We will, at the resolution of that protest, assume that we'll get -- be able to start that program here in this year, probably closer to the second half of the year, I would assume. Really, the only two platforms we have in retirement now we've talked about are the KC-10 and the T-1A. Both of those are -- been very predictably winding down. And other than those two, we have no other -- at this point in time, we have no other known retirements in our portfolio of contracts.

Sahej Singh

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Okay.

Chuck Prow

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Do you have -- was there anything else to your question? Is there anything else that you wanted to add on that one?

Sahej Singh

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Just the margin impact would be helpful. And then if I could add on to that, I guess thinking through maybe early days on maybe Test Wing in the Pacific and Atlantic, if you could touch there, too?

Chuck Prow

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Sure. As Shawn indicated, I mean, we'll ramp through the year. The margins on the retiring programs are higher, because they're at the end of life cycle. And with such a large percentage of our backlog in the early stages, we're seeing the predictable ramp in the profit margins post sale and into the base years. And, frankly, we're thrilled at the rate and pace that that's occurring. It's just -- again, that's such a large quantity of new wins over the last three years, which we're thrilled about, frankly. Both Naval Test Wing Pacific and Atlantic are performing exceptionally. I couldn't be more thrilled. I couldn't be more pleased with the team. We're hearing this directly from our clients. We're not talking to ourselves on this as I'm sure, you know, because you follow the industry very closely. The development of pilots to be fully capable is a significant, significant measurement for both our Navy and Air Force clients. They can train pilots quickly enough to meet their needs. And, again, we're pleased and privileged to play an important role in, again, picking up the pace -- the rate and pace by which pilots can be trained.

Sahej Singh

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Sure. Thanks, Chuck. That's helpful. And, I guess, following up on one of the questions that was asked on INDOPACOM, I was reading that the Pacific, excuse me, Deterrence Initiative should grow to about $14 billion in FY 2024, something around that. And just curious if you think there's upside to that if budgets are appropriated soon. And what do you think that could look like?

Chuck Prow

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

I think a -- way to look at that is the performance that we posted in the second-half of the year. The fact that we booked more revenue in the second-half of the year than the first-half, even though the exercise was in the first-half of the year, that is directly attributable to the PDI, the Pacific Deterrence Initiative. Again, the op tempo is high. The budget is a reality, because these are -- in many cases, new requirements. But again kind of working through the muted new award environment, but the ability to grow on contract is a good balance and again a bit a long way of answering your question, but we remain very bullish on growth in the breakout region.

Sahej Singh

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

No, thanks. That is helpful. And then maybe, Shawn, just one last one for you, just for the models. How are you thinking through interest rates, especially as it's concerned, the deleveraging process?

Shawn Mural

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, so we've made tremendous progress in deleveraging. We're obviously very focused on that. As we go into 2024, you saw where we think we'll be at less than three at the end of 2024. From an interest expense standpoint, it's comparable to what we had in 2023. We will look at opportunities as interest rates change. And as that leverage ratio comes down, we've taken advantage of improved grid pricing previously. We'll look to do that again, kind of as appropriate, and improve upon our position as we go throughout the year. The team did a great job, couldn't be more happy with, you know, the cash that was delivered in the quarter, and We'll look to continue to do those things throughout the year.

Sahej Singh

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Well, thank you. Congrats on the great quarter, guys. And we'll talk to you next quarter.

Shawn Mural

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you.

Chuck Prow

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] It appears that there are no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the floor back over to Chuck Prow for closing comments.

Chuck Prow

Analyst

Thank you very much and thank you all for your questions. We've just completed what we think to be a very, very solid year and we look forward to talking to you again at the end of the first quarter. And we may see you at all the conferences here in the not too distant future. Talk to you soon. Bye.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.