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Q2 2007 Earnings Call· Fri, Jul 20, 2007

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Luwen, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Wachovia Second Quarter 2007 Earnings Release Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Thank you. I will now turn the conference over to Ms. Alice Lehman, Head of Wachovia Investor Relations. Ma'am you may begin your conference.

Alice Lehman

Analyst

Thank you, operator. And thanks for everyone for joining the call this morning. We hope you've received our earnings release by now as well as the supplemental quarterly earnings report. If you haven't, both are available on our Investor Relations website at wachovia.com/investor. In this call, we'll review the first 14 pages of the quarterly earnings report. In addition to this teleconference, this call is available through a listen-only live audio webcast. Replays of the teleconference will be available by about 2:30 today and will continue through 5:00 p.m. Friday, August 31st. The replay phone number is 706-645-9291, and the access code is 3661619. Our CEO Ken Thompson will kick things off. He'll be followed by our CFO, Tom Wurtz, and our Chief Credit Officer, Don Truslow. Also with us are other members of our executive management team. We'll be happy to take your questions at the end. Of course, before we begin, I have a few reminders. First, any forward-looking statements made during this call are subjects to risks and uncertainties. Factors that could cause Wachovia's results to differ materially from any forward-looking statements are set forward in Wachovia's public report filed with the SEC including Wachovia's current report on Form 8-K filed today. Second, some of the discussion about our company's performance today will include references to non-GAAP financial measures. Information that reconciles those measures to GAAP measures can be found in our filings with the SEC and in the news release and the supplemental material located at wachovia.com/investor. Third, Wachovia's proposed merger with A. G. Edwards will be addressed in a definitive proxy statement prospectus to be filed with the SEC. We urge you to read that document because it will contain important information. Information regarding the participants in the proxy solicitation is contained in our annual proxy materials filed with the SEC and will also be contained in the definitive proxy statement prospectus. That document and other SEC filings can be obtained for free at the SEC's website and from Wachovia and A.G. Edwards. Finally, when you ask questions please give your name and your firm's name. Now let me turn things over to Ken.

G. Kennedy Thompson

Analyst

Thanks Alice and good morning to everyone. We really thank you for joining us at the end of what's been for you I know a very busy week. I am going to start off by making some brief opening comments, and then I am going to turn the mic over to Tom Wurtz and Don Truslow for more specific follow-up. We're pleased... we are very pleased with our second quarter results. Earnings per share of $1.23 in what we consider to be quarter with very little no exits [ph]. We are experiencing customer growth in all of our four business lines. And customer service scores are the best that they've ever been and they are continuing to improve. And the result of these two facts is that we are adding new customers at a significantly higher rate than we are at attriting customers. We experienced really good balance sheet growth in the quarter. Both loans and core deposits are up nicely, and fee income was outstanding across almost every category in each of our four business lines. On the expense side, our efficiency ratio has improved over the last twelve months by 270 basis points, and that's in spite of significant investment of expense dollars and capital in new business initiatives which will pay off for us in the future. And in risk management, I am particularly happy with their position in a very difficult environment. Net charge-offs continue to be very low 14 basis points. NPAs increased for us slightly in this quarter; that was primarily in mortgage. But if you compare our mortgage company to almost any other in the industry, our NPAs are outstanding, and our NPAs at a company level would have to be considered outstanding in comparison to our peer group. Lastly, we are very comfortable with where we sit today in a conservative position in virtually all asset classes as markets re-price risks and Don Truslow will talk more about that with you later. So with those opening comments, let me now turn it over Thom Wurtz to walk you through our guidance.

Thomas J. Wurtz

Analyst

Thanks Ken and I would add my thanks to all of you for joining us this morning. I believe we are delivering a solid quarter very much in line with our April guidance. There is strong revenue growth, appropriate expense management and stable credit quality, and personally, it's gratifying to produce solid bottom-line results. We're continuing to invest in our core businesses and maintaining appropriate risk profile in spite of some fairly croppy credit market. While volatility in money markets has been higher than recent quarters, it's overall suitable backdrop for us to continue to meet our goals for the year. As we go through the quarterly earnings report that I hope all of you have available to you. Just a reminder, since Golden West was not part of Wachovia until the fourth quarter of 2006 we have introduced the concept of a combined 2006 results which attempts to portray how our results would have looked if in fact we had been consolidated for each quarter of 2006. So, with that if we can turn to page 2. As Ken noted GAAP earnings totaled $2.3 billion which translates to $1.22 a share or $1.23 on an operating basis. On a linked basis, the corporate investment bank produced bottom-line results which were up 58% on broad strength across all major business lines. Wealth Management grew 11%. The General Bank grew 1% despite some headwinds. Capital Management was essentially flat compared to record first quarter results, and it continues to execute extraordinary well, up 30% from the second quarter of last year. Overall, revenue was a record $8.7 billion. While net interest income was down about 1%, fee income was up 13%, producing overall revenue growth of 6%. It was particularly noteworthy of the strength across all major fee categories in addition…

Donald K. Truslow

Analyst

Great. Thank you, Tom. Our credit quality for the quarter remained very healthy. It's already... has been a noted no real meaningful surprises and all of that against the backdrop of some pretty challenging credit markets particularly here in the last few weeks. Starting with non-performance assets, we did see a $341 million increase in non-performs linked quarter, driven mainly by more delinquencies in the residential real estate portfolio. Now, of the total increase of $341 million, $224 million represented commercial real estate loans and about $15 million of the increase was in consumer foreclosed properties. And I will just note that as we discussed in some depth last quarter, our overall consumer portfolio is very well secured and has demonstrated very low loss content through time, and that continues to be the case. The average loan to value of the residential non-performing loan book using updated appraisal information where we have gone out and we have refreshed appraisal information on the book is at a very low 72% as of the quarter end giving us very good cushion against those loans. We are experiencing some of the same trends, obviously seen in the overall mortgage market, which are driving up delinquencies. And in addition to that, we are also seeing some seasoning of the portfolio given the growth in the business over the last couple of years. So, to be expected, our default loan servicing centers are noting. They talk to defaulting clients that the predominant two reasons for those clients having trouble making their mortgage payments really relate back to some sort of loss of income or excessive data obligation outside the mortgage itself. So this would be where clients have secured mortgage from us and then subsequent to that maybe put a second from another financial institution…

Thomas J. Wurtz

Analyst

Thanks Don. I would now ask people to turn to page 14, which is the updated full year outlook. And it's pretty straight forward, just two points to make. First, our guidance doesn't reflect the merger with A.G. Edwards, so it's just for legacy Wachovia. And the only point we would make about update to the guidance would be, while net interest income growth looks more flattish than it did back in April, our net credit income or NII minus provision expense looks about the same to us. We really don't have much of the change in view as to what net credit income looks like. And so, overall no real bottom line impact, just to tweak the geography. Before I turn it back over to Ken, I would like to just make one note that we have decided to discontinue the legacy Golden West monthly financial highlight report. Obviously as we move further along in the integration of our two platforms, this report no longer provides a real look at the business. What does provide relevant insight is our combined mortgage origination results as well as retail deposit growth results with are contained in the appendix. And so, one thing I am pleased today is that over the first five months of the year we saw contraction in this portfolio size at legacy Golden West and in June we actually had a little bit of growth. And early on in July looks like a little bit of growth as well. So, hopefully we have eclipsed that trend. So, we are starting to see a reduction in prepays that is outstripping pressures on origination volumes. So, with that, I will turn it back over to Ken.

G. Kennedy Thompson

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, Tom. And before we go into Q&A, I referenced at the beginning of my comments the strength that we are seeing in each of our four lines of business. And we thought it might be useful for you to have each of the business hedged, give you a very brief view of their outlook for the businesses. So, I am going to ask each of them to do that. We will start with Ben Jenkins of our General Bank.

Benjamin P. Jenkins III

Analyst

Ken, thank you. And for our businesses, we expect the second half of the year will continue to be challenging from an economic environment standpoint. But with that said, we believe we have got good momentum going into the second half of the year based on our performance in the second quarter. The second quarter was exceptional for us from a retail sales standpoint. We acquired in the second quarter 426,000 new retail households or customers with more than 90% of that number acquired through a deposit relationship. Take that number and just annualize it, it's about a 14%... greater than 14% acquisition rate which is the highest we have seen in our retail volume, since about the fourth quarter of 2003, first quarter of 2004, when we introduced pre-checking. If you look at deposit account sales, they were up 18% by dollars on a linked quarter basis, and if you look at net new checking it was up 16% on a linked quarter basis. And if you further look at the first two quarters, our net new checking totaled 579,000 in net new units and that would compare against 550,000 for all of last year's. So, we feel great about that. Our customer service scores were the highest in our history with customer satisfaction at 6.65 out of a 7 point scale, and our customer loyalty percentage was at 54%. And because of all that, not surprisingly customer attrition remained in that 10% to 11% annualized number. Balance sheet growth was strong throughout the second quarter with 6% year-over-year loan growth and 8% year-over-year deposit growth. Fee income, we were pleased, was equally strong, up 13% on a year-over-year basis and 11% on a linked quarter basis. The growth we are seeing encourages us, and when it's coupled I think with strong margin management and an expected leveling out of expenses in the third and fourth quarter all that will allow us I think to perform very, very well against our competitors in the second half of the year.

G. Kennedy Thompson

Analyst

Thank you, Ben. We will turn to Steve Cummings from Corporate and Investment Banking.

Stephen E. Cummings

Analyst

Okay, thanks Ken. Obviously it's hard not to feel good about our record quarter, earnings up 57% from prior quarter and 19% from prior year. I would say that we feel particularly good in the environment that we have been operating in and to have these kinds of results. Second quarter, as you have seen was a very strong principal investing quarter, a new record, some direct realizations that exceed expectations and were sooner than expected. But beyond that, our overall investment banking origination results were very strong with a new record, a particular strength in syndications, our global rates business and really across the board near record results in several other businesses. One metric we watch closely as we continue to build our platform is the addition of new clients, and we continue to show great progress on that with new lead bank relationships continue to track very positively. Our asset-based lending business also had a record quarter, very strong origination results across the whole platform and very good asset management. Not shown in those numbers but echoing some of Don's comments is how well our team has manage our business in some tumultuous times. I attribute that to a culture that we have here; it's very integrated operating model with origination and product execution and distribution and risk management working very closely together to properly balance the decisions about businesses presented to us and how we manage the risk associated with it. But very quickly on a couple of key markets there's sub-prime and CDO businesses which Don touched on. As he said we have avoided origination side of sub-prime for sometime. We don't have that origination platform. Plus when we have brought platforms in it did have sub-prime activities over the last 18 to 24 months. We…

G. Kennedy Thompson

Analyst

Thank you, Steve. I will ask Stan Kelly to talk about Wealth Management.

Stanhope A. Kelly

Analyst

Thank you, Ken. Our outlook in the Wealth Management group for the balance of the year is particularly positive in several areas throughout the division. Our new business pipelines in investment management and in our lending business are both at all time highs. We are particularly pleased with that. Our expansion markets in Texas and to the Northeast are achieving strong year-over-year growth and in particular our Manhattan team which is a new team, two to three years ago is amongst our top performing teams in the business with strong double digit year-over-year growth. Another one of our business is our Calibre business which serves the ultra high net-worth segment is having their best year by far, having one new business with several very large new families through the country. They are enjoying strong double digit year-over-year revenue growth as well, and we look for great prospects going forward in that group. Also our client loyalty scores also hit a all-time high in the quarter. Finally, we are particularly pleased with our prospects and the performance of the private advisory group. This is the group that is transitioning from the General Bank to the Wealth Management group. And our new client acquisition continues to be very strong there, and we have just announced in the last several weeks new leadership throughout the country to also include new leadership in California that was announced just yesterday. So, several favorable trends throughout the business, these positive trends are balanced with the softness in insurance business and with deposit business. But our outlook is very favorable looking forward. Thank you, Ken.

G. Kennedy Thompson

Analyst

Thank you, Stan. And now David Carroll, Capital Management.

David M. Carroll

Analyst

Thanks Ken. So, like Steve and everybody else we are coming off of a very strong quarter in our brokerage asset management and retirement businesses with operating earnings up 31% years to year. In fact this is the Capital Management group's sixth consecutive quarter of at least 20% operating earnings growth. The fundamentals driving that will remain in place. So we've got a lot of momentum going into the second half of the year. In brokerage we are seeing strong client assets growth 3% up linked quarter in 13% year-to-year. The key managed account category is up 24% year-to-year but still it only about 19% of total AUMs, so we have room to run there. FA productivity is up 11% year-over-year. The sale of CIB products, products that are underwritten in our corporate investment bank and sold by brokerage are up 19% on a linked quarter and a 112% year-over-year. In fact, through the first six months of this year our combined revenue generated about $309,000 million is 88% of the total generated last year. So we see more momentum there, and we have a very busy equity syndicate calendar for the rest of the year. As Tom mentioned earlier, in brokerage we are also seeing nice growth in advisor headcount. We were up about 1% in the quarter. We hired 270 advisors in the second quarter, and the average productivity of our new hires is about 41% better than for the advisors that are attriting. In asset management, we had a very good quarter, strong revenue growth up 16% linked and 44% year-over-year reflecting in part the acquisition of European Credit Management. They have seen nice growth in AUM from about $26 billion in AUM to over $39 billion at quarter end, and MetWest that we closed on a year ago large cap intrinsic value manager AUM is up 71% year-over-year. And so again for that part of the second half of the year that we have control over, we feel very good about the strategies that are in place that are driving top-line growth. A.G. Edwards is much on our mind. It's going well. In terms of integration we have our integration organization in place. We were on the ground in St. Louis within four days of announcement. In terms of timing with this integration, we would be where we were with Wachovia in first union [ph] after about four months, and we are seven weeks into this. With respect to Wachovia Securities and Prudential comparing the progression there we were actually after seven weeks or about where we were at six months. So we've refined the process and we're taking advantage of our experience there. But we feel... feel pretty good about the second half.

G. Kennedy Thompson

Analyst

Okay. Operator, I think we have given a pretty full review and we are now ready to answer questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Your first question comes from the line of Kevin Fitzsimmons with Sandler O'Neill.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Good morning everyone.

G. Kennedy Thompson

Analyst

Good morning Kevin.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

On the... the subject of the trading and principal investing I heard what you said about comparing first half of the year versus the first half last year. But can you give us a little bit of a glimpse on how we should be looking at this going forward? I know in the past I think you used to talk about a 150 kind of average type of run rate in this and just looking at the pipelines of business where do you think those line items go over the next few quarters? Thanks.

Stephen E. Cummings

Analyst

Yes, Kevin this is Steve Cummings. Principal investing we've said that we've consistently exceeded that in the environment we've been in. Our balances of invest... total investments are approaching $2 billion and so you can do some your on math that what you might expect the returns out of that. But we feel like we have good visibility into the third quarter and markets staying in reasonable shape here that we expect another solid quarter in principal investing in the third quarter. Beyond that I would revert to the kind of guidance that we've given you in the past. But it's a very unpredictable number, and I wish we could give you a better clarity on than we've been able to do. On the trading we did have a good quarter. We had... across the board solid turnaround and our positive... particularly positive in our rates businesses and structured products. And I'd say that it was above normalized expectations but the business is growing and don't feel like it was an extraordinarily large quarter in that regard. Tom, I don't know if you have anything add to that.

Thomas J. Wurtz

Analyst

No, I think that's fair to say in the rates business, we need some volatility to be successful. We've had volatility and turned that into bottom line profitability. So I feel pretty good in that front.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

But just based on where you are, what you are seeing right now so far in this quarter we shouldn't necessarily be expecting a dramatic fall off, but not necessarily this kind of linked quarter growth as well. Is that fair to say?

Thomas J. Wurtz

Analyst

I would say, I wouldn't expect a dramatic fall off.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Okay. And one quick follow up. Can you give us a little bit of an update on how the cross selling to Golden West customers is going? I think that something that you've emphasized in the past and I just want to get an update there. Thanks.

Benjamin P. Jenkins III

Analyst

Kevin, this is Ben Jenkins. I'll be glad to... on the mortgage side, we have mortgage consultancy in our branches and about... their progression was up nicely in the second quarter, was up over 50% above the first quarter and about 20% of that production is of the think Golden West payment option product. If you look at the legacy Wachovia, mortgage consultant about 10% of their production is now from the payment option World product. If you look at the World mortgage consultants 3% to 5% of their production would be in the marketable or saleable product that Wachovia introduced because the branches and retails centers, it continues to be another great story. We had in the quarter a net checking number of about 37,000, net checking account sold by the Golden West or World Savings team in those retail offices. The accounts continue to look very attractive. They about 30% larger in the accounts for opening on the East Coast and the DDA component of that is actually greater than the DDA component on in the East Coast. So, there was this more DDA as opposed to interest checking from those accounts. So, in all accounts we're getting traction. We are very pleased and we think those numbers will continue to be very attractive. We would expect to see a little bit of fall off over the checking sales in third quarter perhaps as those individuals go through a lot of training to get ready for the fourth quarter deposit conversion in the Western half of United States.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Betsy Graseck with Morgan Stanley.

Betsy Graseck

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Hi. I know you don't give NIM guidance any more but I just wanted to understand, if you could talk a little bit about some of the major drivers of the decline this quarter and the degree which you think changes in bond pricing recently have changed your own internal outlook?

Thomas J. Wurtz

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Hey Betsy, this is Tom. With respect to recent changes in the level of bond market that doesn't in the short term have a material impact. Because of this reason you will need to re-invest at possibly higher rates and this indicates a very small fraction of the total asset portfolio there. Really, there is a number of things, as the trading portfolio was up, structured product warehouses were up. We started a bank in Ireland that will ultimately house capital market activities in Europe and initially the asset side of that looks like a lot of very low spread assets that over time will be replaced with more customer driven assets. And so that was another drag on the margin. And so that... as well as just some things are kind of moving in and out as benefits are detrimental [ph], put more pressure on it this quarter than I would have guessed as we entered the quarter. But I don't... as I have mentioned in my prepared comments I would expect that you will see a little bit of a rebound and so I wouldn't expect that you'll see continued degradation in the market.

Betsy Graseck

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Was the European activities with that new bank that you put in Ireland the bulk of the trading asset increase?

Thomas J. Wurtz

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

No, it's opened international commercial loans.

Betsy Graseck

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Okay.

Thomas J. Wurtz

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Where that will show up. Again at this point they are very low spread assets that, over time we have to put something in place to again to build the operations capability of FP and so forth. I hope that will be replaced with core activity.

Betsy Graseck

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Okay thanks. And then on CMBS, I think in the prepared remarks there was a comment about how you have gone through the whole portfolio and you feel very comfortable. I think that's the words you used and that you don't see credit deterioration in there. Could you just give us a sense as to what you did to come to those conclusions and what the announcement is based on?

G. Kennedy Thompson

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

On the loan, do you want to take that?

Thomas J. Wurtz

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Yes,again the... in the commercial real estate markets, we really have not seen any credit deterioration. The issue that's been out there in the market is collateral that was originated at market pricing before this shift we've seen in the last few weeks and then from a re-pricing standpoint how is that collateral set. And so, we have gone through to revaluate focus as we mark that book. And because the volumes are lower we just don't really see an issue in that book. My point is I mean we are not really seeing any credit deterioration there. It's been a matter of pricing and hedging strategies we've had in place as well as the size and just a velocity through the warehouses, has some pretty good shape.

Betsy Graseck

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

When you say that volumes are lower, are you talking about the forward volumes?

Thomas J. Wurtz

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Well, in other words, the build in new volumes as we clear about at the warehouse, and it's just the market is... the markets to a prior collateral is still catching up with where market pricing is on issuance. So it's just tougher right now to find good collaterals put in the warehouse temperature [ph].

Benjamin P. Jenkins III

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

And I'd add to that, that on the fixed rate side, we are pricing to what we think is current market, and we don't believe the entire market has moved to that. So we're not planning as many deals. Our fixed rate, I mean our floating rate activities still continue to show good and in fact are growing. So, we think that market just got to be calibrated here.

Thomas J. Wurtz

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

In fact, one other point I would make is, this collaterals originated, it's intended for a specific deal to the extent it doesn't make it into that. It's referred to as variant pool, and that stuff is marked-to-market and then marketed for sale immediately. So, the results for the second quarter reflect that valuation of anything that didn't make it into the intended securitization?

Betsy Graseck

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Okay. And you are basically saying that on the underlying payment stream from the real estate is not what's driving this market but it's the valuation that the buyers are putting on it?

Thomas J. Wurtz

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

There'stwo things that there is a temporary disconnect between the rates at which customers are accustomed to paying on the loans originated and what investors are demanding. And then second of all during the second quarter or late first quarter the rating agencies readdressed their view of a lot of securitization activities but asset coordination levels should be different. And so therefore that caused the capital structure of deals to be different and that puts pressure on profitability towards them as well.

Betsy Graseck

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Okay, and which part is marked to market, is variant pool you mentioned?

Thomas J. Wurtz

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Yes, any loan that's originated for intended securitization and it doesn't [ph] make it in there. We take it out mark to market and then we market it for sale.

Betsy Graseck

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

And then the pieces that are... that you anticipate will be in the pool, gets mark to market at the time of issuance, they are right or at the term marketing?

Thomas J. Wurtz

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Yes.

Betsy Graseck

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Okay. All right, thanks.

Operator

Operator

: Your next question comes from the line of Jefferson Harralson with KBW.

Jefferson Harralson

Analyst · KBW.

Hey thanks. I wanted to ask about the syndicated warehouses. You mentioned that the warehouses are down pretty significantly from past levels, is that a risk reduction thing. I keep hearing about a big forward calendar and does that imply that there should be less revenues from the source in Q3 and beyond?

G. Kennedy Thompson

Analyst · KBW.

Yes, I think when we are talking about the levels being down we are referring more to some of our other structured product activities that our leveraged finance business activity has been high, and we have a good pipeline out there. I think what we were seeing was that... what we intended to say if it didn't come out right was that our exposure to that big forward pipeline is at the very much at the low end of where our peer group is and if don't have any funded bridges in place right now, and we all have a question about how that stuff clears. And I think we have a good view of what the future profitability will be. And yes that's an area that there could be some revenue impact. I will tell you though that from the leveraged finance business on our platform in terms of revenue is less than 5% and that's not all sponsor related. So, it's not something... like it something that is end point of major engines that we completely depended upon, it's an important business but not dominant.

Jefferson Harralson

Analyst · KBW.

Okay. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of David Hilder with Bear Stearns.

David Hilder

Analyst · Bear Stearns.

Good morning. Just a couple of questions on Golden West up, the increase in residential mortgage non-performing assets, were those primarily from legacy Wachovia or from the Golden West book?

Donald K. Truslow

Analyst · Bear Stearns.

HiDavid, this Don. They were primarily in the Golden West book.

David Hilder

Analyst · Bear Stearns.

So, of that total $224 million or so there was a little over $200 million that actually was out of the legacy Golden West portfolio. And is there any particular geographic concentration to that?

Donald K. Truslow

Analyst · Bear Stearns.

There is a little bit of one in the Central Valley of California, so this is the Bay area basically around... between the Bay area and Sacramento. We are seeing some higher stress in those markets particularly on housing value. That is a market that appears to have gotten ahead of itself in terms of supply. I'll just give little bit a color. The average loan values or house value that we are lending against in there somewhere around 350,000 to 400,000. So, kind of it... we are not at the real high end by any means. But we are just saying absorption there take longer and this a lot has gotten out here. The good news is that it is a very vibrant area. Job are good, the economy is strong and it's just a matter of absorbing the inventory out there we believe. But that would be... probably the one area that stands out in the portfolio right now that this team works with particular diligence

David Hilder

Analyst · Bear Stearns.

Okay, and are you going to provide information on how much of the interest accrual reflected increase in principal balances on the pick-a-pay mortgages?

Thomas J. Wurtz

Analyst · Bear Stearns.

The deferred interest?

David Hilder

Analyst · Bear Stearns.

Yes.

Thomas J. Wurtz

Analyst · Bear Stearns.

Yes I don't think we have any relative bulk share that we're expecting right in line with where we've always had it or so. Yes right now apprehension about sharing that news.

David Hilder

Analyst · Bear Stearns.

Okay. And then finally just in terms of the mortgage production, any general distinction or split between fixed and adjustable rate origination?

Thomas J. Wurtz

Analyst · Bear Stearns.

I am sorry. David, I was looking for the answer of your question so I didn't pay enough attention to your question you just asked. The answer to the deferred interest is a $2.3 billion which is right in line with the trend line with that and could you ask those questions again, Dave?

David Hilder

Analyst · Bear Stearns.

So on deferred interest, how much did it increase in the quarter?

Thomas J. Wurtz

Analyst · Bear Stearns.

About $300 million.

David Hilder

Analyst · Bear Stearns.

Okay. Thanks very much for that and the other question was just a sort of the sense of how the mortgage origination was split between fixed rate and adjustable rate?

Thomas J. Wurtz

Analyst · Bear Stearns.

Over time we've seen a pattern of migration away from adjustable rate fixed rate. We introduced fixed pick-a-pay. We have introduced a kind of a hybrid as a fixed component of three years and turns into a traditional pick-a-pay ARM. And so you have seen a continued migration towards more on the fixed products. Our margins are about the same for us on either products. So we don't have a strong bias as to which costumers are a lag but you're probably getting close to 50/50 or something like that.

David Hilder

Analyst · Bear Stearns.

Great, thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen we have reached allotted time for question, and your final question comes from the line of Nancy Bush with NAB research LLC.

Nancy A. Bush

Analyst

Good morning guys. Couple of questions here. Don, could you just... I mean I know you have been warning us that this increase in residential real estate non-performers was coming but it just seemed to sort of leap ahead. I mean is this going to be sort of continuous level of increase that you see here or is this going to be lumpy around reset periods etcetera?

Donald K. Truslow

Analyst

Nancy I think... I don't know the reset periods will have anything to do with what we are seeing again given the nature of the product with payment caps and the like. My anticipation would be that some of this is being driven just by seasoning of the portfolio that, it won't necessarily be lumpy but it will be a trend for a few quarters and level off that's what I would expect.

Nancy A. Bush

Analyst

Okay, great. David question for you, my understanding is that retention payments of Wachovia Securities are that the brokers on Wachovia Securities side are receiving retention payments as well as are the A.G. Edwards brokers that you don't want to lose. Are those payments... number one if you could just give the philosophy behind that and are those payments to the Wachovia Securities brokers included in the merger charges for A. G. Edwards?

David M. Carroll

Analyst

Yes and yes. They are receiving them, they are included in the merger charges and they would be embedded in the results that we've predicted when we announced the transaction. They are less generous if you will for a comparable level of production on Wachovia side. But the logic in it is and as much as we are combining these firms and moving the headquarters, there were some concerns out there on the part of advisors not so much us in the management, that they would be impacted by it. And so it was that provides some calming influence of our people. And so far the results have been really good.

Nancy A. Bush

Analyst

Okay.And Ken, I have to ask this question because I am getting.

David M. Carroll

Analyst

I amsorry really quick, we did the same thing in Prudential too so this was a different experience.

Nancy A. Bush

Analyst

Okay. Ken I need to ask this question because I am getting it a lot from clients, I mean knowing what you know now about the mortgage market and the impact that some of the concerns about mortgage you've had on your stock price, would you still do the Golden West deal?

G. Kennedy Thompson

Analyst

I think we're going to be happy that we did this deal long term. We're going to be happy that we did this because of the experience that we're having in the West as we used the branches that we acquired and I think on the mortgage side this product is... this pick-a-pay product is going to be very attractive when yield curves go back to normal and as the housing market comes out of recovery. So yes we're going through a little pain with it now but I think a year out, 18 months out, two years out we are going to be very happy that we did this deal.

Nancy A. Bush

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And now I would like to turn the call back over to management for any closing remarks.

G. Kennedy Thompson

Analyst

Okay. Thank you operator and I will just close by thanking you all for being with us. I think we are... we are pleased with this quarter. We think it is a solid growth quarter and I think I am most pleased with the quarter because we are growing and we are doing it in a very conservative way. And I hope we got that across as we talk about what we are doing in credit and in managing everything going on in structured products and then the re-pricing of asset classes that we are pleased with it. As usual we are here to answer your questions addressing Alice Lehman and her team and we will see you soon. Bye, bye.

Operator

Operator

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