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Walker & Dunlop, Inc. (WD)

Q2 2016 Earnings Call· Wed, Aug 3, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to Walker & Dunlop's Second Quarter 2016 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. Hosting the call today from Walker & Dunlop is Willy Walker, Chairman and CEO. He is joined by Steve Theobald, Chief Financial Officer; and Claire Harvey, Vice President of Investor Relations. Today's call is being recorded and will be available for replay at 11:30 A.M. Eastern. The dial-in number for the replay is 800-388-9074. The archived call is also available via webcast on the Company's website. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode and the floor will be open for your questions following the presentation. [Operator Instructions] It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Claire Harvey. Please go ahead Ma'am.

Claire Harvey

Analyst

Thank you, Erica. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining the Walker & Dunlop second quarter 2016 earnings call. I have with me this morning, our Chairman and CEO, Willy Walker and our CFO, Steve Theobald. This call is being webcast live on our website and a recording will be available later this morning. Both our earnings press release and website provide details on accessing the archived call. This morning, we posted our earnings release and presentation to the Investor Relations section of our website www.walkerdunlop.com. These slides serve as a reference point for some of what Willy and Steve will touch on this morning. Please also note that we may reference the non-GAAP financial metric, adjusted EBITDA, during the course of this call. Please refer to the earnings release and presentation posted on our website for a reconciliation of this GAAP and non-GAAP financial metric and any related explanation. Investors are urged to carefully read the forward-looking statements language in our earnings release. Statements made on this call which are not historical facts may be deemed forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements including statements regarding future financial operating results, involve risks, uncertainties, and contingencies, many of which are beyond the control of Walker & Dunlop and which may cause actual results to differ materially from the anticipated results. Walker & Dunlop is under no obligation to update or alter our forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. We expressly disclaim any obligation to do so. More detailed information about risk factors can be found in our reports on file with the SEC. With that, I will turn the call over to Willy.

Willy Walker

Analyst · KBW

Thank you, Claire and good morning everyone. We ended the second quarter with a deep pipeline, low interest rates and capital markets that have recovered from the equity sell-off earlier in the year. We feel confident in our ability to execute during the quarter to meet our clients financing needs and stay on track towards meeting our financial goals of delivering double digit EPS growth and a mid-teens return on equity. As we announced this morning, we delivered the strongest quarter in our Company’s history including the first ever quarter with over $5 billion in total transaction volume, and first ever earnings per share of over $1. The $5.4 billion of transaction volume generated $148 million of total revenues, a record and 30% growth over the same quarter last year. The growth in revenues pushed our diluted earnings per share to $1.05, again a record and 57% over the same quarter last year. Extremely strong top line and bottom line performance coupled with significant capital deployment pushed our return on equity to 25%. Year-to-date, our revenues have grown 7% over last year’s incredibly strong first half to $242 million and our diluted earnings per share have grown 17% year-on-year to $1.55 per share. We continue to run an efficient business for both the capital and cost perspective as evidenced by our 19% year-to-date return on equity and 31`% operating margin. It is very clear that the combination of our team, brand, and market position are generating record deal flow and a conjunction with solid management are generating spectacular financial results. During the second quarter, several discreet events occurred that I was feeling very good about how we are positioned to succeed in the coming quarters and years. First, at the start of the quarter, the Federal Housing Finance Agency, FHFA…

Steve Theobald

Analyst · KBW

Thank you, Willy and good morning everyone. In many respects, this quarter’s result speak for themselves, so I plan to keep my remarks brief. Our exceptional second quarter was marked by record deal flow and strong execution by our team. Highlighted on slide six is a return on equity of 25% and operating margin of 35% for the quarter, both substantially ahead of our targets. Earnings of $1.05 per share were up 57% over last year’s second quarter putting us well on pace to achieve our goal of double digits earnings growth in 2016. As we discussed in our first quarter call, the year got off to a slow start amidst economic uncertainty and capital markets volatility, but by March it began to stabilize, and by April began to gain momentum. This momentum continued throughout the second quarter, with June representing the highest monthly volumes in company history, driven by continued low interest rates, strong multi-family fundamentals and the strengths of our brands in the market place. Second quarter was widely successful in a number of fronts, but there are two primary themes that stand out with respect to our overall performance that I want to highlight. First, we had a record quarter for Fannie Mae originations, which benefitted our top and bottom line as well as all of our key financial metrics. And second, we took advantage of the opportunities in front of us to deploy capital during the quarter to drive future growth. As shown on slide seven, we grew total transaction volume 42% to a record $5.4 billion this quarter. We did over $1 billion each in Freddie Mac and brokered executions, but the real story was the $2.4 billion of Fannie Mae lending, representing 45% of total transaction volume for the quarter. Fannie Mae was the…

Willy Walker

Analyst · KBW

Thanks, Steve. With the financial results Steve just detailed we are on pace to achieve our financial goals for 2016. On our last earnings call we laid out several strategic initiatives that we are focused on achieving this year. The first was to grow the number of debt financing and investments sales professionals at Walker & Dunlop by 25% before the end of the year. During the second quarter we made great progress towards that goal by hiring nine financing professionals. The second goal was to continue to grow the servicing portfolio both organically and through acquisition. The purchase of the Oppenheimer portfolio increased our servicing by 7% would generate mid-teens cash-on-cash return and provide us with access to a number of new clients and financing opportunities. Finally, we establish the goal of creating a scaled asset management business at Walker & Dunlop. I would like to take a few moments to explain what that goal means for us and our investors. In 2007 when our company turn 70 years old, we established the five-year growth plan called the Drive to 75, but we aimed to increase revenues and earnings by five times in five years. We accomplished that goal in 2012. That same year when W&D turned 75, we established another five-year growth plan called Onward to 80. That plan set a goal of expanding our loan origination sales force to capture as much deal flows as possible, and once established to raise third-party capital, so Walker & Dunlop control the underwriting and investment decision to lend on commercial real estate. The Onward to 80 Strategy was launched in November of 2012. That same year we acquired CWCapital which increased our loan origination sales force to 72 professionals who originated $7.1 billion of mortgages. Since then, we have added…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The floor is now open for questions. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Our first question is coming from Jade Rahmani from KBW.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst · KBW

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I was wondering if you could provide any color on what drove the outsized Fannie Mae originations in the quarter, maybe you could offer us some color on transaction size and also if there are any other large deals in addition to the student housing portfolio.

Steve Theobald

Analyst · KBW

Good morning, Jade. As it relates to the Fannie business, I think the biggest driver of that was fixed versus flow as we try to outline in the call. Borrowers move towards fixed rate financing during the quarter and also that was driven by the amount of acquisitions activity that we finance. And both Fannie and Freddie obviously lend on – have both flow and fixed rate products. But during the quarter and year to-date we really seeing on the floating rate products, Freddie Mac be the most competitive and on the fixed rate Fannie Mae be the most competitive. And so, during the quarter when investor demand was up for long-term fixed rate financing, Fannie was chosen execution. And then, behind that the large student portfolio we did in Q2, we mentioned to investors that we expected to do large transactions. As you know, we did a number of large transactions in 2015. The transaction we did in Q2 was another one. And I would just say to you, what is extremely rewarding for us to see is that whenever large transactions in this space are happening Walker & Dunlop is on a very, very shortlist of borrowers who have the scale and execution capabilities to meet the financing needs of those types of borrowers and to work on those transactions. So, without talking about anything in the pipeline specifically I would just say to you that is our expectation that we continue to work on large transactions in the future.

Willy Walker

Analyst · KBW

But specifically, Jade, with respect to the second quarter that large student housing portfolio was really the only large transaction in there.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst · KBW

And excluding that deal what's the average Fannie Mae transaction size?

Steve Theobald

Analyst · KBW

I don't think we've disclosed that, what is interesting is the overall transaction size Jade, is continuing to move up quarter-by-quarter and year-over-year and we moved from 12 million in average size to 14 million average size and I believe it's in Q2 we were on $80 million average transaction size.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst · KBW

Given the strong 2Q volumes do you still anticipate typical seasonality to play out this year where volumes historically have increased sequentially in the third quarter and the fourth quarter has been the outsized quarter for the year?

Steve Theobald

Analyst · KBW

Yes. We – the cyclicality or if you will, seasonality of the business is still there with Q2 and Q4 historically been the strongest quarter as Q1, Q3 being historically softer quarters.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst · KBW

Okay. Can you just comment on the decline in adjusted EBITDA year-over-year, was that mainly driven by hiring that took place over the -- say, the last two quarters? And was there a negative impact from professionals that have come on to the platform that you've started to accrue expenses for, but they're not yet booking revenues?

Steve Theobald

Analyst · KBW

Yes. So, Jade, couple of comments, so one there's obviously a reconciliation of our net income to EBITDA in the back of the slide presentation as well as a table in the 10-Q that outlines the components of projected EBITDA which I think will be pretty helpful to you. I wouldn't say that the decline in adjusted EBITDA was due to hiring per say, I mean, obviously we have hired a number of folks over the past year, but that's generated I think and supported the generation of the additional volumes we've done. But there are two components to personnel -- variable compensation related both commissions and our company bonus pool that's given our financial performance and given the production volumes are higher this year than last year. So that's I think part of the explanation for you.

Jade Rahmani

Analyst · KBW

Okay. Thanks very much for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Steve DeLaney with JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Steve DeLaney

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

Thanks. Good morning, everyone and congrats on the record quarter. With respect to the investment sales, I mean, it was a nice increase compared to last year. It's $624 million. We look -- we didn't see where the revenue associated with investment sales is specifically broken out in the press release. Is that something, Steve, that you're able to comment on?

Steve Theobald

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

Yes. It's in other revenue, Steve.

Steve DeLaney

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

Got it. And that's $7.1 million figure, okay. I guess we're just trying to get a handle on kind of the average margin if you will on investment sales from a revenue standpoint versus deal size?

Steve Theobald

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

Yes. So, Steve, on the size of the investment sales revenue, it's not broken out but its $2.7 million of that number.

Steve DeLaney

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

Okay. Excellent. That's very helpful, Steve. Thank you. In addition to obviously the revenue opportunity, I'm curious you know, thinking back to when you bought Engler, I think you commented 51% of origination through our acquisition transactions. Did you see any examples of synergy in the second quarter where Engler was not Engler any more? Your investment sales division actually represent was involved in a property sale transaction and Walker & Dunlop was able to provide financing?

Steve Theobald

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

We're seeing a lot of it, Steve.

Steve DeLaney

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

Okay.

Steve Theobald

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

And we – I would report to you that next quarter we probably will give you a number on what percentage of our investment sales activity were able to finance. We had a number of transactions that were Q2 sales that have gotten financed in the beginning of Q3 that made it, so that we decided because it was going over quarters, we wont' going to give that statistic. But the sort of, if you will, the punch line to it is, we are seeing fantastic synergy between the investment sales group and the debt financing group.

Steve DeLaney

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

Got it. Okay. Thank you. And appreciate the comments on investment asset management were very helpful, because I was wanted to ask you sort of about the interim lending opportunity and how you are going to be able to finance that and really scale that up. Just the couple of questions around that though. Is it your thought that there will be a primary focus on multifamily properties just for the obviously ability to refi that – you know those transitional loans down the road. Or would it be more of a generalist in terms of your bridge lending effort?

Willy Walker

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

As you know Steve the only loans that we have on our balance sheet today are multifamily loans and we have kept that lending specific to multifamily. It is our very clear intention that whether its being raising capital as I said in either separate account of commingle fund or if we do acquire the manager of a mortgage REIT that we would use those vehicles to finance all commercial real estate asset classes. But as we pointed out in the call over the last three years, 83% of our financing volume has been multifamily. And so, we're very focus on the long-term vision of being the premier commercial real estate finance company in the United States and that means bringing on originators who finance not only multifamily but office in retail and hospitality. But at the same time any investor in those funds or investor in the REIT that we're managing will know that Walker & Dunlop has a fantastic brand reputation and market position in multifamily and therefore I would report the majority of the loans that go into whatever vehicle we end up managing with the multifamily.

Steve DeLaney

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

Okay, great. Thank you, Willy. One final question if I may. We haven't touched this during the call on your conduit lending activity and we see were active in the quarter with selling $30 million of loans. Can you talk about -- obviously CMBS was down, it's back kind of your outlook and view towards conduit lending as part of the franchise going forward? Thank you.

Willy Walker

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

Yes, sure. As you know Steve, Q1 was a [Indiscernible] quarter for all of the capital market, equity, debt, as well as the conduit market. And Q2 there was, if you will, a healing process that took place.

Steve DeLaney

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

Right.

Steve Theobald

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

And we have a fantastic team that has been out originating loans and providing that offering to the market. As you also know, conduit volumes for the first half of the year overall were down I think 44% year-on-year. And pricing has come in significantly from where it was in Q1. So, we feel good about the overall conduit market. But it's been interesting in the sense that the deal flow that has been coming in has not really been look for the conduit bid. As I underscored in my comments, our average LTV on our loans in Q2 was 67%, and our average debt service coverage ratio was 1.52 times. As you know, conduit lending is typically at higher leverage levels and lower debt service coverage in those numbers and that's an average across all of the lending we did in Q2. And that's very similar to past quarters including the Comp Act [ph] to Q2 of 2015. So, I think one of the things that we're seeing is that W&D as a company has a client base that on an average is looking for lower leverage deals and is in "the typical conduit borrower". And so, I would just put forth to you, we love being in the conduit space. We have a fantastic team and we're obviously focused on trying to grow origination volumes and at the same time we're also there to provide the market with what it needs and the market right now has not been a big if you will, a requestor of conduit loans.

Steve DeLaney

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

Great. Willy thanks and Steve, everybody thanks for the comments. Very helpful.

Willy Walker

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

Thank you, Steve.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] At this time, we’ll go next to Charles Nabhan from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Charles Nabhan

Analyst

Hi, good morning. I understand that the borrower preference for fixed rate originations provided a tailwind to margins in the quarter. But if you look at the percentage of fixed rate transactions in first quarter versus second quarter, they are relatively in line with one another, but the margin for the quarter was significantly higher this quarter. My question is, could you talk about some of the factors driving the -- that increase this quarter and the degree to which the student lending transaction might have impacted that on the gain on sale margins quarter?

Steve Theobald

Analyst · KBW

Hey Chuck, good morning this is Steve. I’ll take your question. The explanation really is the percentage of business that was done Fannie Mae versus Freddie, so while the overall percentage fixed versus floating may not have changed much the percentage of business we did Fannie versus Freddie changed significantly quarter-to-quarter. And that drove the change in the margin.

Charles Nabhan

Analyst

Okay.

Steve Theobald

Analyst · KBW

The student housing portfolio, you had really good economics for us but that wasn’t the driver of the performance.

Willy Walker

Analyst · KBW

I’d also just add Chuck as we highlighted on the call both the May jobs report as well as the Brexit both kept investor spreads on agency MBS tight, and as a result unlike in the past where as rates move and spread move our servicing fees would move in conjunction with that because we had real strength on the MBS investor market that allowed us to maintain our servicing fees on the Fannie Mae business we did.

Charles Nabhan

Analyst

Okay. As a follow up last quarter you guided to brokered originations at the high end of the $3 billion to $5 billion range, and it looks like so far about half way through the year you are trending towards the midpoint of that range. I wanted to see if any updates on those expectations and you know get a sense for if you still expect volumes to be at the high end of that range?

Willy Walker

Analyst · KBW

So in that business Chuck, it’s typically back end loaded if you will on the year Q4 and in the brokerage space is typically the strongest quarter of the year, so we are at as you accurately put out had a run rate of about $1 billion a quarter and if we end up getting typical seasonality to it you can see us move towards the high end of that range. To be perfectly blunt with you, we don’t have visibility right now on what our Q4 pipeline looks like in that business because we are basically at a sort of 90-day forward look. But if you look at a typical year on where we are from a quarterly run rate in that business, no reason we shouldn’t be able to get to the high end of that range if we have typical seasonality.

Charles Nabhan

Analyst

Okay. And if I could sneak one more. In terms of the volume, the Fannie and Freddie volume, the fixed rate volume that you have done this year, is any of that business coming from borrowers that you may have gotten into -- floating rate products a few years ago that are currently re-financing in a fixed rate product?

Willy Walker

Analyst · KBW

No, there’s not a lot of that Chuck. I think one of the things that is interesting is that if a couple of years ago it was funds being the very active buyers where they were buying properties and putting on shorter term floating rate debt to buy the property, potentially fix it up, try and change something with it and then turn around and resell it. The typical profile of our client during Q2 was a longer term holder and potentially not has fun, but someone who owns commercial real estate and as I said in my comments is buying a property hold it for the next ten years and potentially the next 30 years. And so from a -- not only from a -- that's the most profitable business for us but also from credit stand point we love the characteristics there of someone buying the property and saying this is a long term hope for me and I want to put long term fixed rate debt on it to take the interest rate risk out of it.

Charles Nabhan

Analyst

Okay. Great, thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, I would like to turn the conference back to Mr. Walker for any closing remark.

Willy Walker

Analyst · KBW

I want to thank our team for a fantastic quarter and thank everyone who participated in the call this morning. Have a terrific day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your participation on today’s conference call. Please feel free to disconnect your line at any time.