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Waterdrop Inc. (WDH)

Q3 2022 Earnings Call· Tue, Dec 6, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen and thank you for standing by for Waterdrop Inc.'s Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, today's conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Ms. Xiaojiao Cui. Please proceed.

Xiaojiao Cui

Analyst

Thank you for joining Waterdrop's third quarter 2022 earnings conference call. Please note that the discussion today will contain forward-looking statements made under the Safe Harbor provision of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. Potential risks and uncertainties may include, but are not limited to, those outlined in our public filings with the SEC. The company does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements, except as required under applicable law. Also, this call includes discussion of certain non-GAAP measures. Please refer to our earnings release for a reconciliation between non-GAAP and GAAP. Joining us today on the call are Mr. Shen Peng, our Founder, Chairman and CEO; Mr. Yang Guang, Co-Founder, Director and VP; Mr. Hu Yao, Co-Founder, Director and VP; Mr. Ran Wei, Partner and the General Manager of the Insurance Marketplace; Mr. Cui Xiaojiao, Partner and General Manager of Medical Crowdfunding and Patient Services; Mr. Richard Chen, Board Secretary and VP. They will be available for a Q&A section after the remarks. Now, I would like to turn the call over to our CEO, Mr. Shen Peng. Please go ahead.

Shen Peng

Analyst

[Foreign Language] [Interpreted] Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining our third quarter 2022 earnings conference call. During the third quarter, we have seen increasing downside risks in the global economy as well as uncertainty regarding the domestic economic recovery. Nonetheless, the recovery in domestic demand has recently gained momentum and we believe that the fine tuning of COVID control measures will unleash a rebound in private consumption, providing solid support to revive the domestic economy. This trend will enable the insurance industry to return to our value growth cycle and improve the business outlook for the medical and pharmaceutical industry. Against this backdrop, Waterdrop continued to exhibit strong resilience and adaptability and maintain good business momentum in the third quarter, with revenues increasing by 10.1% on a quarter-over-quarter basis. Following our turnover -- following our turnaround in the final quarter of last year, we have managed to achieve a healthy level of profitability in every quarter of this year. In the third quarter, our GAAP net profit reached RMB170 million, confirming that our business has entered into a phase of steady profitability. As of the end of September, our cash and cash equivalents and short-term investments increased to RMB3.6 billion, even taking into account our share repurchases. We were able to generate a positive cash inflow of RMB300 million in the third quarter. Our ample cash reserves and our ability to generate positive cash flow put us in a strong position to withstand the changing external environment. Our remarkable operating results and evolving business trends over the past 3 quarters demonstrate that we have entered into a phase of healthier and more sustainable business growth, establishing a solid foundation for future business development. Our operating efficiency and business quality have also improved steadily. As such, we have delivered on our…

Ran Wei

Analyst

Thank you, Shen Peng. Hello, everyone. Let me give you an update on our insurance business development. In the third quarter, the market for life and health insurance in China remained [indiscernible] with no significant improvement in premium growth, the continued resurgence of COVID-19 and most business pension and policy reform in the life and health insurance industry. At the same time, the demand for protection-type products remain soft which imply that both the demand and supply side of the market are somewhat subdued. Meanwhile, future volatility in equity market and insurance risk and ever-growing operating pressure, the overall earnings of the insurance industry declined in the first 3 quarter of 2022. Against this backdrop, we continued to improve our operational efficiency, boost the quality of our business and optimize existing offerings. We have proactively explored new customer acquisition channels and persistently engaged in product innovation to achieve long-term sustainable business growth in spite of the industry’s tone. We achieved an industry high GAAP net profit of RMB170 million [ph] in quarter three and our key operating metrics continue to reflect the high quality of our business relative to the industry. Now, I will walk you through the performance of our insurance business on forefront, the first steady progress on our business model upgrade. In quarter three, the quality and profitability of our insurance business continues to improve thanks to our persistent optimization of products and user experiences. Our first year premiums increased by 8.4% from quarter two. We revamped transaction processes and based analysis results in improved either perception of our service quality. The number of long-term insurance policyholders have reviewed their policies and the LTV contribution of our products has first increased steadily. In terms of existing leader management, we further refined our market top platform operational model…

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

Thank you, Ran Wei. I would like to share some updates on our medical crowdfunding business. At the end of Q3, accumulated total of 420 million donors helped exceeding 2.69 million patients create over RMB55.3 billion from our platform. Our user number and fundraising amounts have remained stable even after we implemented a service fee. In the third quarter, the Operational Transparency Committee continued to enhance our operational control related to authenticity and transparency on our medical crowdfunding efforts and launched new initiatives to increase the transparency of fund flows for each donation. For example, we have enhanced fund flow disclosure by certain statements and more defined visual details on the text from fundraising pages. When a patient needs some money, the bank will issue payment placed for both our platform and patient. The fundraising page will also disclose other information such as how much cash has been withdrawn by the patient, the service fee charged, the third-party payment internal fee and the amount of funds available for withdrawal. The fund flow related to each donation are thus easily traceable. Meanwhile, after several months on efforts we worked closely with the police in Shandong to crack down on the case of fundraising fraud executed by malicious individuals, resulting in the arrest of 17 suspects. Let me review various effective measures, the platform realized zero malicious fundraising activities for several consecutive months. It's notable that our Waterdrop Medical Crowdfunding Platform was successfully integrated into the classic case of joining universe community of shared users in the cyberspace which is initiated by the World Internet Conference. From a global perspective, most average families are either high of financial [indiscernible] caused by fiscal units, especially the people in remote areas who have less social securities. When they unfortunately encounter crisis in the midst…

Hu Yao

Analyst

[Foreign Language] [Interpreted] Thank you. Hi, everyone. I'm going to talk about our third quarter technology innovation update across 5 important platforms. Our chatbot not only serves as the ears and voice of our virtual employee but also features as a human-like mindset even for the insurance marketing scenario. First; regarding the years of the chatbot. In the third quarter, we launched a set of optimization algorithms that enhance the accuracy of our ASR, Automatic Speech Recognition technology, to improve our chatbot's ability to accurately recognize users' intentions. We deployed 2 algorithms, one which provides background noise, identifications and filtration and another which is especially adapt for analyzing multi-centers [ph] user responses, therefore enabling our chatbot to understand users just like human. Second; as for the voice of our chatbot, we have equipped it with a voice cloning technology that enables it to speak to our users while emulating the tone of our best sales staff, thereby enhancing the smoothness of the dialogue and improving the overall user experience significantly. Meanwhile, on top of our proprietary intelligent risk control model, we have also developed additional chatbot functionalities which enable the estimation of our sales conversion rates, the selection of optimal outbound calling plans and the generation of complaint alerts. These models help the chatbot communicate with users at a most appropriate time with advanced dialog spiel and with a more human-like mindset, thereby maximizing our sales conversion rate and minimizing the potential disturbance to our users. Second, I will address our efforts to refine our intelligent marketing operations through AI technologies. Our AI-powered machine system performed a number of functions, including the first time allocation of leads, scheduling follow-up calls and the reassignment of leads. The system is one of the most important components of our intelligent marketing operations. In…

Guang Yang

Analyst

Thank you, Hu Yao. Hello, everyone. I will now walk you through our financial highlights for the third quarter of 2022. Before I go into details on the financial performance, please be reminded that our numbers reported here will be in RMB and please refer to our earnings release for detailed information on our comparative business financial performance on both the year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter basis. Despite the challenging external environment brought by the year pandemic and the slow economic growth, we have plan forward in the profit-making phase with 4 consecutive quarters of profitability, further withstanding the momentum as we have meticulously pursued a high-quality operational strategy since the third quarter of 2021. Net operating revenue increased by 10% quarter-over-quarter and decreased by 0.9% year-over-year to RMB772 million which was primarily due to the decrease in insurance-related income. For Q3, operating costs and expenses decreased by 50% year-over-year to RMB639 million due to the effective cost control measures taken since the third quarter of 2021. On a quarter-over-quarter basis, operating costs and expenses increased by 17%. To break it down, operating costs were RMB341 million, up by 15% year-over-year due to the increase in professional and outsourced customer service fee of RMB22 million. The recording of crowdfunding-related service fees direct cost of RMB63 million from sales and marketing expenses to operating costs as we started to charge crowdfunding service fees since April 2021 -- 2022. And RMB19 million increase in the estimated cost of 1 year of insurance coverage related to the termination of mutual aid plan last year based on the final settlement information and partially offset by RMB85 million decrease in personnel costs. On a quarter-over-quarter basis, operating costs increased by 40%, primarily due to professional and outsourced customer service fees increased by RMB64 million as compared to…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question today comes from [indiscernible] with CICC.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

This is Qingging [ph] from CICC. First of all, congrats on the results. We noticed that you have a sufficient cash reserve. My question is, what's your plan for utilizing? That's all for me.

Guang Yang

Analyst

Thank you for the question. I think as mentioned earlier, at the end of September, our cash and cash equivalents and short-term investments totaled RMB3.6 billion. So even taking into account our share repurchase, we were able to generate a positive cash inflow of RMB300 million in the third quarter. Our ample cash reserve and our operating view to generate positive cash flow put us in a very strong position to deliver our strategic goal and withstand the evolving external environment. So I think we'll continue to maintain a reasonable and sufficient cash reserve. Meanwhile, we provided that we have ample working capital liquidity for our daily operations revenues and approximately amount of funds to build our medium and long-term competitive edge to achieve healthy and sustainable development. I think firstly, we will use our funds to implement our share repurchase program. And since our IPO, we have used our own funds and cumulatively bought back 5.8 million ADS from the open market for a total consideration of approximately $8.5 million. And based on our strong confidence in our corporate value and our long-term sustainable development, when in September, we announced the 1-year expansion of our repurchase program with the maximum repurchase amount increased to USD 80 million. We plan to reserve the repurchased shares for share incentive plan which will align the interest of our employees with the growth of our company. I think secondly, we will consider strategic investment at the right time. We will use a portion of the funds to pursue super strategic investments and acquisition opportunities. The purpose will be centering around the solid framework formed by our product innovation capability, technological innovation and the synergies created among -- where our unique servicing segment or to penetrate deeper to the industry and strengthen our ecosystem of insurance health care technology and thereby, further expanding our presence in the industry. At this -- the year, we will invest in new directives in the health care sector, relying on our established advantage in customer patient relationship and entitling big data analytics, we will come in breakthroughs in the medical innovation space. As mentioned by the call earlier and our patient recruitment business is gradually becoming an industry here and our CRO business has also made remarkable progress. So going forward, we will continue to allocate an appropriate amount of funds to pursue innovation opportunities in the medical and health care industry. So although the new business initiatives may not generate significant revenue and profit in the short term but we believe that it will help the company create a new competitive edge in the long run and inject new momentum into the long-term growth of the company. I think that's all for the questions.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Edwin Liu with CLSA.

Edwin Liu

Analyst · CLSA.

[Foreign Language] [Interpreted] So thanks for the opportunity to ask questions, I have 2 questions here. First one is regarding the crowdfunding platform. Since we just finished the first full quarter of this crowdfunding where it started to charge the service fee, can you provide a breakdown of the revenue and profit for this segment and any color on the trend? And my second question is regarding the guidance. Appreciate it if management can provide guidance in terms of operating revenue and net profit for this year and next year?

Guang Yang

Analyst · CLSA.

Thank you for the question. I'll answer the first question. Our Waterdrop Medical Crowdfunding platform has seeked to fully subsidize its service fee and started with charging a service fee of 3% in April of this year, up to a maximum amount of RMB5,000 for a single campaign. And this is to cover part of the operational costs and help more patients with critical illness to raise capital. So the user number and fundraising income on our platform has remained stable after the charging of the service fee. And we will also regularly and transparently disclose our service fee revenue in our financial report through our other communication channels. Since April, when we started to charge the crowdfunding service fee, we have generated around RMB120 million in service fee cumulatively as of the end of September. For Q3, our revenues from service fees were RMB59 million, accounting for around 2.8% of the fund raised during Q3. The rate is below 3% because we are still subsidizing campaigns for collectively a few of the patients in some cases. So the direct operating cost of our crowdfunding platform was RMB54 million [ph]. But in addition, there are also indirect cost owned by our company, including IT and middle office [ph], risk control and other functions. So the service fee was very sufficient to cover most of the direct operating cost. But overall, our Waterdrop Medical Crowdfunding platform remains on a healthy and stable growth track. However, we did not intend to trust the service fee for profit purpose or for our platform to maintain its daily operations sustainably and better serve our users. Our future plans will remain on track, unchanged and that is to make the service fee cover the operational cost. So we will keep our crowdfunding platform on a…

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Thomas Wang with Goldman Sachs.

Thomas Wang

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

[Foreign Language] [Interpreted] A quick question on the increase in operating costs in the third quarter. So I just want to try to understand what's driving that increase?

Guang Yang

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

I think the increase in the operating cost was due to the recording of certain crowdfunding related service direct cost of RMB63 million, switched from certain marketing expenses to operating costs as we started to charge crowdfunding services since April of this year. Of course, we were only starting to charge starting from April this year, so it didn't cover the fourth quarter. And also, we will increase -- yes. We will increase cost on the providing and also the customer service fees. That's mainly related to the crowdfunding dividend. Operator, do we have the last question?

Operator

Operator

Yes, we do. [Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Susie Liu [ph] with Bank of America.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

This is Susie Liu [ph] from Bank of America Securities. My question is about future expansion strategy. We see that Waterdrop has already established a competitive advantage in Tier 3 cities or below but which is the area you've been focused on? And going forward, are there any strategy to expand business in Tier 1 and Tier 2 cities? And could you share more details on your strategy, please?

Ran Wei

Analyst

Okay. This is Ran Wei speaking. Talk something about interest in about expanding our business to first and second tier cities. Right now, more than 80% of our current is either from Tier 3 and below cities which is consistent with operation distribution. So from the perspective of absolute number user -- our users in Tier 1 and Tier 2 cities, we have an advantage in the industry. So to expand either to the first and Tier -- the second tier cities, we have 4 strategies. First, our online also brokerage business mainly works on Tier 1 and Tier 2 cities. We provide diversified business model such as the organization based model, the AB patterns, agent model and really just normal according to the local conditions and the launch of the best systems that help brokers diagnose customer needs and provide appropriate interest base. This way, we can set the middle-class family in the first and second tier cities with more professional and objective insurance solution. Second, we will leverage our customer insight to continuously reach our product offerings and develop product lines to better diversified users in Tier 1 and Tier 2 cities. Third, we will -- if the issue's [indiscernible] which features in big concerns and community marketed to facilitate customer acquisition. This will enhance our user experience and expand our reach among business in Tier 1 and Tier 2 cities who already have a deeper awareness management. And fourth and we are going to working with [indiscernible] which are open emerging white collar workers and invest in promotion to pay with a higher recognition to deepen our brands and rates among customers in Tier 1 and Tier 2 cities. That's all. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We are now approaching the end of the conference call. Thank you for your participation in today's conference. You may now disconnect. Have a good day.