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Woori Financial Group Inc. (WF)

Q3 2025 Earnings Call· Wed, Oct 29, 2025

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Hong Sung Han

Management

Good afternoon. I am Han Hong Sung, Head of IR at Woori Financial Group. Let me first begin by thanking everyone for taking time to participate in this earnings call for Woori Financial Group. On today's call, we have the group CFO, Lee Sung-Wook; Group CDO, Oak Il-Jin; and the group's Risk Management division, Senior General Manager, Park Jang-Geun on the call. On today's call, the group CFO, Lee Sung-Wook, will give a presentation on the earnings performance. After which, we will have a Q&A session. Please note that the earnings call is being conducted with simultaneous interpretation for our overseas investors. Now let us start our presentation on Woori Financial Group's Earnings for the Third Quarter of 2025.

Sung-Wook Lee

Management

Good afternoon. This is Lee Sung-Wook, the CFO of Woori Financial Group. Let me go over the third quarter performance for 2025. I do have a cold, so please understand if my voice is a bit rough, and please turn to Page 3 of the presentation material that has been disclosed on our website. First, let me discuss net income. Woori Financial Group's year-to-date net income as of the third quarter end was up by 5.1% to KRW 2,796.4 billion, which was a Y-o-Y increase, as mentioned before, of 5.1%. Net income in the third quarter alone was KRW 1,244.4 billion, representing a significant increase of KRW 300 billion quarter-on-quarter. Amid uncertain internal and external conditions, including the exchange rate and outcome of tariff negotiations, this net income was the result of balanced growth between our interest and noninterest income and the contribution from the insurance acquisition. In particular, due to continuous efforts to rebalance assets and optimize funding and investments, our NIM improved for the third consecutive quarter. Stronger marketing capabilities from key subsidiaries, such as the credit card and capital business, led to fee income for the quarter to reach an all-time high. And in addition, the newly acquired insurance business contributed, which further have diversified the group's profit structure. In the third quarter, we completed the revaluation of the fair value of Tongyang and ABL's assets and liabilities and included this in the group's performance. So the bargain purchase price and adjustments from consideration together is around KRW 550 billion, while the decline in the CET ratio was only approximately 5 basis points, which enabled us to reconfirm that from a financial standpoint, it was an optimal M&A with almost no negative impact to our capital ratio. Moreover, in addition to the continuous asset rebalancing and active…

Unknown Executive

Management

Yes. Thank you for the presentation. And now we will -- before starting the Q&A session, for this year, because there were some factors related to the presentation, including the insurance acquisition, there will be some additional comments related to the performance by the CFO.

Sung-Wook Lee

Management

Yes. So if we look at the third quarter this year, if you look at our performance, as you can see, there has been a lot of volatility. So overall, there were some one-off factors. And maybe I did believe that maybe touching upon these first would be appropriate. So of course, there was the inclusion of the insurance business, but also with regards to the preemptive provisioning, there were also some one-off factors there. So in the third quarter in total, if we look at the insurance business, of course, the profit increase is there. But in terms of risk management, there were a lot of efforts that we have made. So please take that into consideration and listen to what I have to say. So first on the insurance acquisition side, because of the bargain acquisition gains after we included the insurance business from July 1, we did the PPA. And as a result of that, there was a KRW 580 billion gain that we had recognized. And of course, for the past -- for the next 1 year, because of the accounting for that, there could be some adjustments to this. However, with regards to the adjustments for consolidation, there was a negative KRW 25 billion that was recognized. So at the end of the day, the bargain gain, in total, was around KRW 556 billion. So in addition to that, on the -- there was also a KRW 33 billion negative impact that was also reflect. And in the third quarter, for the completion-guarantee trust, there was also KRW 98 billion that we have recognized in terms of provisioning. So as a result of that, in total for this year, there was around KRW 200 billion that we have recognized. On the bank side, there are…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] So for the first question will be from NH Securities. It will be Jung Jun-Sup.

Jun-Sup Jung

Analyst

There are 2 questions that I would like to ask you. So first would be that in the third quarter, because you did the insurance acquisition was completed, and I would like to know what the next phase is. So in terms of more efficient capital management, rather than being 2 separate entities, we believe that having it together and then also making sure that it would be a full subsidiary of the group as a whole. So with regards to the information that you can share with us, any more details that you could share would be appreciated. Second is that after the acquisition, if you look at the capital ratios, it still looks like their capital ratios are very sound. So even if it's not in the immediate future, but going forward, are there any M&A opportunities that you would be looking at in terms of interest areas? So maybe not in the immediate future, but even down the road, are there any areas that you would be interested in, in terms of M&A opportunities?

Sung-Wook Lee

Management

So thank you for your questions and maybe we can answer your questions. Yes. This is the CFO, Lee Sung-Wook. So first, in terms of the insurance, in terms of the merger and also the follow-up after the acquisition, I do think that this is an area that a lot of the investors are interested in. And also in terms of the Tongyang Life shareholders, they're also very interested in that also. So as of now, we did the -- and completed the acquisition as of July 1 for Tongyang and ABL Life. And since then, for the mid- to long-term direction, this is something that we're doing a diagnosis about in terms of the overall business operations. So for Tongyang Life, making it a 100% subsidiary or merging the 2 entities, this is something that we are still reviewing, but we have not made any decisions yet. And in addition, we do believe that it will require a bit more time for us to come to a conclusion. And in addition to that, whether we should make a 100% subsidiary or whether we will merge the 2, if there's any major decisions that are made, of course, we will make sure to disclose to and share to you. And in addition to that, we will look at the laws and regulations to make sure that everything is done according to the due process. Secondly, about your question about the M&A side. I think that this is something that we continue to talk about. But after the brokerage company, insurance company being added on, in terms of our business portfolio, we think that it has been completed. So over the mid to long term, I think that if you look in terms of focusing on strengthening the competitiveness of the…

Operator

Operator

The next question is by Baek Doosan from Korea Investment & Securities.

Doosan Baek

Analyst

Yes. I am Baek Doosan from Korea Investment & Securities. I also have 2 questions. The very first question has to do with the completion-guarantee project. I can see that it has been largely resolved. But in addition to that, I can see that there were still quite hefty preemptive provisioning. So taking that into consideration, I'd like to understand if there's any guidance in terms of the improvement going forward in terms of credit cost? And second, the Future Co-Growth Project that was launched and with regard to the funding, the plans that you have for key industries, this project in itself is a massive project. And therefore, in terms of capital ratio or noninterest income or corporate loans, I think that it will have an impact on all of these numbers. So we'd like to understand what are the plans? What's the forecast you have going forward?

Unknown Executive

Management

Yes. Thank you very much for the question. So please bear with us for just a moment as we get ready to answer your question.

Jang-Geun Park

Analyst

I am Park Jang-Geun, Senior General Manager from the Risk Management division. First, let me talk about credit cost. The third quarter credit cost increased by 3 bps to 52 bps. And that was already mentioned. In second quarter, KRW 86 billion for the trust and this quarter, KRW 98 billion, that was the provisioning in terms of managing our assets. And due to the sluggish economy in the sluggish construction sector, with regard to collateral loans at the banking sector, that was a total of KRW 54 billion of provisioning and one-off items amounted to KRW 152 billion. And therefore, the coverage rate also increased to 130%. So if we exclude these one-off items, the credit cost ratio is 42 bp. However, considering that there has been a delay in the rates -- the rate cuts, we believe that the cost -- the normalized credit cost will still be quite high. But we -- as mentioned, the completion-guarantee projects has been mostly resolved. So therefore, there wouldn't be any significant provisioning to follow going forward. And with regard to prime assets, especially in the banks, if we look at the corporate loans, we've been seeing a downturn in terms of new defaults in terms of corporate loans. Ever since 2024, we believe that there will be -- the impact of rate cuts is something that we are continuously monitoring at the Risk Management division. And in the future, with the economic boost, stimulus package with the government and with regards to the rate policy going forward, we believe that in the fourth quarter, credit costs will stabilize. So that is all for me.

Sung-Wook Lee

Management

Yes, this is the CFO, Lee Sung-Wook. And so with regards to the Future Co-Growth Projects, this is a very big project. I do think that with regards to capital and also in terms of the capital ratios, there may be some concern about such a situation. But with regards to this, maybe just elaborating a bit will help you out. So from us, we do want to transfer into providing more productive financing. So as of the end of September, we announced our future core growth project, and across the group for the next 5 years, there will be around KRW 80 trillion that we will be supplying and supporting. And so according to this project right now, in terms of the asset growth and the impact of this, this was all taken into consideration before we made the announcement to the market. So for the KRW 80 trillion across the 5 years, if you look at the impact on our risk-weighted assets, it will be around half. And on this, of course, how we can offset it against the capital ratio is probably an issue that you will be focusing on. And this year, if you look at the overall asset rebalancing efforts that we have made for the next 5 years, due to that, this is an effort that we will continue for the next 5 years. And in addition to that, because regulations are being eased at the financial authority side. And in addition to that, we also have a CET1 ratio target of 13%. So the trends that we see in our capital ratio was all taken into consideration before we formulated this plan. In addition to that, on the corporate loan side, we -- during the financial crisis, we have accumulated a loss. There's a very strong underwriting standards and price. So as a result of that, we do think that we can manage our capital ratio properly and still continue growth in this area. So within the year, I think that if you look at the capital ratio trends that we have seen, there has been an 80 basis point increase versus the end of last year. And this is even after the acquisition of the insurance arm. So we do think that we do have a credible trend that we are creating, and this is something that we have fully discussed with the BOD, and we will come up with our business plan accordingly. In addition, going forward, we will continue to also manage our loan balance through asset rebalancing and also manage the retail balancing side. So we're also planning to make other efforts. So for the shareholder value programs, this is something that we will continue to implement without issue and continue to provide total -- better total shareholder return.

Operator

Operator

The next question is -- will be by Kim Do Ha from Hanwha Investment & Securities.

Do Ha Kim

Analyst

I have a question with regard to the acquisition. So when we had the acquisition ahead of us, you talked about the purchase -- market purchase gains is going to be utilized for a total shareholder return. And I believe that within a limit of 10% -- if it's within that, I've heard that the gains would be utilized for shareholder returns. So right now, we have around KRW 580 billion or so of gains and I would like to understand, would this be included in the shareholder return plan of this year? And I understand that the TSR will be maintained as such because rather than providing a dividend at year-end, after November, it could be in the treasury stock related plans that you may have? Or would it be something that would be utilizing next year? So if you can give us some more information on that, that would be great. And the second question is, around the world, these days, we've been witnessing security issues, hacking issues. So with regard to that, are there any investments being made right now to prevent or any cybersecurity-related prevention methods or plans that you have in place.

Unknown Executive

Management

Yes. Thank you very much for those questions. Please wait before we answer your questions.

Unknown Executive

Management

Yes. With regard to the bargain purchase gains, it's a total of KRW 580 billion and it's included in the net income. So in the first half, IR last year, based on our corporate value plan, in terms of our TSR, we've mentioned that we're putting our best efforts to have that included. And with regard to the insurance acquisition, the impact it has on the capital ratio, it was quite limited and minimized. But with regard to TSR, year-end, we have -- we want to see the CET1 and the overall financial volatility, and the TSR will be decided as such. And in the market, there are expectations, and we will try to cater to the expectations as much as possible, and we'll do our best to make sure that we can cater to those expectations. Thank you.

Il-Jin Oak

Analyst

I am Oak Il-Jin, CDO. So recently, there were major security-related issues at telcos and financial firms. And that's why there was a company to review across all subsidiaries, and there were no issues identified. Recently, there was, let's say, multi-authentication and security patches, terminal-related security issues. These were the shortcomings and we were able to understand that we were following all of the internal policy when it comes to security. And in addition to that, with regard to personal information and IT security, let's say, accidents. To prevent all this, what we've done was, in August until year-end, with security firm and the company, we will make sure to understand whether there are any loopholes. And for the recent 3 years, the government's investment into security is 11% when it comes to total IT investments. And it's 8.8% for financial funds and insurance firms. In the case of the U.S., it's 10.5% and it's higher than that at 11%. So with regard to information security investments, we will continue on to increase that portion in our investments.

Operator

Operator

Yes, the next question is from HSBC, Won Jaewoong.

Jaewoong Won

Analyst

Amid a challenging environment, thank you for your strong performance. And there are 2 questions that I would like to ask you. The first question is with regards to an early retirement. So if we look at last year, we actually reflected into the first quarter of this year. So for this year's early retirement, would it be fourth quarter or would it be first quarter of next year? So if there any plans, if you could share that with us, that would be appreciated. So in terms of the CET1 assumptions or in terms of the overall profitability, it would be easier to assume or make the estimates. So if you could share the plans on this, that would be appreciated. And second, with regards to portfolio diversification, you have successfully acquired 2 insurance companies. And I do believe that you will properly manage this business going forward. But as far as I understand, the 2 insurance companies, after being acquired, next year in terms of the profit contribution, it will be 1% of the ROE. So that means that the overall contribution would be about KRW 300 billion. But up into the third quarter, if you look at the net income, right now, it has been around KRW 150 billion. So for ABL, I don't know what the third quarter numbers is. So I'm not 100% accurate, but I do think that it would be around this level. So do you think that it could be larger next year? And in terms of the bargain gains this year, it was around KRW 550 billion. So for next year, in terms of these gains, how much contribution do you think will actually be made on the net income line? So your thoughts on this topic would be appreciated.

Unknown Executive

Management

Yes, thank you for your questions. So maybe if you give us a few minutes, we'll answer your question. First, in terms of early retirement, in the case of last year, we actually did it in the first quarter of this year. And the reason why we did it that way is because it's based upon the agreement with the labor union. So therefore, there could be some difference of opinions. And as a result of that, that is why it was -- it took place in the first quarter. So right now, if you look at the discussions with the labor union that are ongoing right now, I think that it is something that we will have to see in terms of how it happens going forward. So it could be in December, it could be in January. But I think that because it needs an agreement, we will have to wait and see how it actually plays out. And with regards to insurance acquisition, as you have just mentioned, in 2025, if you look at most of the companies, their profits were very large. And then this year, also, there are some that are showing strong performance. But in terms of the K-ICS ratio or other product structures, I do think that with regards to the assumptions, there are some changes that are taking place. So this year, as we have continuously talked and mentioned, after the acquisition of the insurance business, the first thing that we have actually done is that we are doing a business investigation to look at how we can fundamentally change the competitiveness of the business in itself and it changes accordingly. So in 2026, we do think that, of course, there will be some profit contribution from the insurance side. But in terms of the K-ICS ratio, but on the capital side, we think that up and strengthening that up will be our top priority to make sure that the burden on the group from that would be minimal as small as possible. And also, we want to stabilize the organization. So in 2024, if you look at right now, there was around KRW 400 billion. And in terms of the percentage, it would be around KRW 300 billion in contribution that we would have seen. But for next year, we think that it would be difficult to reach that level in the net income side. So right now, in terms of priority, it will [ B2B ] the fixed ratio and the other sides. And then thereafter, I think that we could actually look at how we can expand our business going forward. So that have been said, so the ROE, 1%, is something that was based upon 2024. So though we will not go to that ratio, we do think that there will be a contribution that we will be able to see in full fledged manner from next year. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Next question will be by Jeong Tae Joon of Mirae Investment Securities.

Tae Joon Jeong

Analyst

Yes. I'm Jeong Tae Joon from Mirae Asset. I also have a question with regard to the insurance arm. So with regard to the profitability and as well as the interest cost and the securities, I can see that this has been reflected all separately in separate items. But in terms of net income and profitability, I'd like to understand what was the contribution in total this quarter? And it's similar to the previous question, where the bargain purchase gain was quite significant, more than expected. So then based on consolidation, it means that it's not as high based on consolidation. And that in terms of the contribution, it may be a bit difficult to book in it's significant absolute terms. But of course, I do know that the management diagnosis is still underway. But I think that if you can please give us a ballpark figure, it would help us better our understanding.

Unknown Executive

Management

Yes. Thank you for the question. Please wait. We will soon answer your question. Yes. So with regard to the income from the insurance arm, so we have investment income and insurance income. So all in all, if we combine the 2 companies, it is around KRW 70 billion to KRW 80 billion. And in terms of net income, it's around KRW 50 billion in terms of the contribution from these 2 firms. And in the future, with regard to adjustments from consolidation, that's how it would be booked. So in terms of insurance accounting, as was already mentioned, after the acquisition, within the insurance, there's an accounting that would follow, and there's also an accounting for the holding company because we went through the PPA process. So based on PPA, it will be a dual accounting, a dual booking. So in the future, we're going to run a simulation. And based on that, of course, it will all differ by year, but we believe that it will be around KRW 30 billion to KRW 40 billion annually, a positive, a plus KRW 30 billion to KRW 40 billion. So there could be some volatility or variances throughout the years. But based on our long-term simulation, we believe that there will be a plus KRW 30 billion to KRW 40 billion of contribution that can be booked.

Operator

Operator

Yes, next question. In terms of the next question will be from Daishin Securities, Park Hye-jin.

Hye-jin Park

Analyst

Yes. And the question that I would like to ask you is that with regards to the [ bargain ] gains, I do think that there cannot help be a lot of questions. So with regards to the preliminary announcement of the PPA, and you said that for the next 1 year, there could be adjustments. So related to that, in terms of the adjustments that could take place, what would that actually be? So if there is an adjustment to that, I would like to understand what it would be in more detail. And the second would be with regards to the margin. So because of the asset rebalancing, I do think that the margins are being well defended. But with regards to the joint growth, you did say that you would continue such a situation. So for next year, in terms of margin, what is the outlook? And also lastly, for the securities side, also, I do think that there is probably some capital gains that you would have to actually conduct. So for those capital increases, what would be the outlook of that?

Unknown Executive

Management

Yes. Thank you very much. There are 3 questions that you have provided, and maybe we can answer your questions. Yes. With regards to the bargain gains, I do think that this is an accounting issue. So during the next 1 year, there is the room for adjustments to take place. So right now, for the first 3 years, there will be some refining. And then after that, that will be done. So if there -- we don't think that there will be a lot of fluctuation. But if there is any, then the main area is probably going to be and what we estimate, it would be with regards to some of the fines. So for example, that could be one of the items. But this accounting to the accounting standards, there is some that we have already reflected because we have made some assumptions there. So if that realizes, then we do think that, that would lead to some changes. But we don't think that there will be any big changes in itself. And secondly, with regards to the securities, this year, after being included into the group on August 1 and what we had actually invested into was manpower and also IT. And as a result of that, the SG&A had actually increased by KRW 50 billion. So in actuality, if you look at the net income as a result of that on a Y-o-Y basis, there was a slight increase, but not very significant. So this year, we do think that when we talk about productive financing, of course, we do think that securities arm will have a big role to play. And from next year in terms of the net income contribution also, we think that it will significantly contribute at a much higher level.…

Unknown Executive

Management

Yes. Thank you. I believe that there are no more questions. So let us now respond to the questions that were posted on the website this quarter. From the 13th to the 24th of October, we received questions via our website. And in addition to our performance, AI, TSR, there are many questions across a number of domains. And we will exclude the redundant questions, but -- and 2 questions that were not addressed as of yet. One has to do with the total return on the dividend-related policy and also with regard to AI services. So with regard to the nontaxable dividend, the CFO will respond, and the CDO will respond to the second question.

Sung-Wook Lee

Management

Yes. So first, with regard to the nontaxable dividends and during the AGR in March, we've talked about the KRW 3 trillion that has been written back. So from the '25 dividend or retained earnings, that's when we will start to provide the dividend. So based on our corporate value of plan, we will engage in buybacks, cancellations and actively engage in shareholder return. So within -- in 2025, improving the CET1 by 80 bps to improve the TSR was the planned action taken. So we have continued on to engage in buyback and cancellation of treasury stock, and we have put in our best efforts to enhance shareholder return. And going forward, we will continue on to improve the CET1 and engage in our corporate value of plan and putting our best efforts to maximize shareholder return. Thank you.

Il-Jin Oak

Analyst

I'm Oak Il-Jin, CDO. So with regard to the AI services, Woori Financial Group, for our customer and for our employees, for the first time we've launched many services. And already, we -- based on Gen AI, we've actually launched our deposit-related products. And right now, we do have mortgage loans. And also, we have -- we will be expanding our AI advisory when it comes to real estate-related plans and loans. And at last year-end, we launched Woori TPT. And we actually see an accuracy rate of 90% plus for even complex jobs and work. And starting from the second half of this year, our focus, particularly would be on AI agent. So we want to enhance the productivity of our employees by utilizing the AI agent. Internally, when it comes to corporate loans and RM support, especially 5 domains that we have pinpointed in order to introduce the AI agent. It has been already been laid out. And starting from early next year and in the first half of next year, we are going to particularly engage in Phase 1 for work that can apply this immediately. And then moving forward, we're going to engage in a number of innovative product launches when it comes to Gen AI, especially for productive finance, especially for corporate loans, especially auto underwriting and in terms of reducing default amongst, let's say, high default rate borrowers, we are going to make sure that we can provide accurate and timely due diligence and underwriting utilizing AI. So basically, it's about utilizing AI agents to enhance productivity, and we're going to reengineer our work process so that we can make full use of this technology. Thank you.

Sung-Wook Lee

Management

Yes, I am the CFO. And with regard to the overall earnings, I would like to share with you the prospects, especially for 2026. But before that, in 2025, what we've done in terms of our business portfolio is the workforce IP system for the securities arm, acquisition of the insurance arm to complete our portfolio. So in terms of overall completeness of our business, we do have the nonbanking, including asset trust where it was about focusing on preemptive provisioning, completing all that. And then also, we have been able to significantly improve CET1 in 2025. So with regard to future growth and to enhance corporate value, I believe that this was a pivotal year in terms of making sure of putting in place the foundation. And we'll make sure to manage our asset quality in the remainder of the year. In terms of 2026 in the case of the nonbanking sector, as was already mentioned, the insurance acquisition impact will kick in, in earnest. In terms of the security side, we'll be seeing increased sales from that side. In the case of the existing nonbanking, it would be about preemptive risk management, which will lead to better performance and earnings. So in terms of the nonbanking operations, we will -- and we expect significant improvement in performance. And in terms of banking sector, this year, we've been getting an aggressive asset rebalancing, and a preemptive risk management foundation has been in place, which will enable a stable revenue. And in terms of the productive finance, we'll be expanding upon that to actively grow upon that. But when it comes to capital ratio as well as asset quality ratio, we're going to make sure that we maintain this stably, so that we achieve the ratio numbers. And with regard to our value of plan and our shareholder return plan, we'll do our best to make sure that we implement the plans that have been laid out. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Yes. Thank you. And this brings us to the end of Woori Financial Group's Third Quarter of 2025 Earnings Presentation. If you do have any further questions, please call the IR department, and we'll make sure to entertain your questions. Thank you very much. [Statements in English on this transcript were spoken by an interpreter present on the live call.]