At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Wells Fargo First Quarter Earnings conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press the pound key. I would now like to turn the call over to Jim Rowe, Director of Investor Relations. Mr. Rowe, you may begin your conference.

Thank you, Regina, and good morning everyone. Thank you for joining our call today where our Chairman and CEO, John Stumpf, and our CFO, John Shrewsberry will discuss first quarter results and answer your questions. Before we get started, I would like to remind you that our first quarter earnings release and quarterly supplement are available on our website at wellsfargo.com. I’d also like to caution you that we may make forward-looking statements during today’s call that are subject to risks and uncertainties. Factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from expectations are detailed in our SEC filings, including the Form 8-K filed today containing our earnings release and quarterly supplement. Information about any non-GAAP financial measures referenced, including a reconciliation of those measures to GAAP measures, can also be found in our SEC filings, in the earnings release and in the quarterly supplement available on our website. I will now turn our call over to our Chairman and CEO, John Stumpf.

Thank you, Jim. Good morning and thank you for joining us today. We earned $5.8 billion in the first quarter, which reflected the benefit of our diversified business model and our continued focus on the real economy. By building relationships with our existing customers and successfully generating new relationships during the past year, we were able to grow loans and deposits and increase our revenue. Our capital levels remained strong and we continued to focus on rewarding our shareholders by increasing our dividend and reducing our shares outstanding. Let me highlight our growth during the quarter compared with a year ago. We generated $21.3 billion of revenue, up 3% from a year ago with growth in both net interest income and non-interest income. We had broad-based loan growth with our core loan portfolio increasing by $54.2 billion or 7%. Our deposit franchise continued to generate strong customer and balanced growth with total deposits reaching a record $1.2 trillion, up $102.1 billion or 9%, and we grew the number of primary consumer checking customers by 5.7%. Our credit performance continued to be very strong with net charge-offs down $117 million and our net charge-off ratio declined to 33 basis points. Our financial performance resulted in strong capital generation and returning capital to our shareholders remains a priority. Our net payout ratio was 61% in the first quarter. We’re extremely pleased that our 2015 capital plan allows us to increase our quarterly dividend by 7% to $0.375 per common share for the second quarter of this year, of course subject to board approval. Our ability to increase our dividend every year since 2011 demonstrates the benefits of our diversified business model and conservative risk management, as well as our disciplined capital management process. We have over 90 different businesses that are benefiting from the continued strength in the U.S. economy. While the first quarter economic headlines again demonstrated that the economic recovery has been uneven, I believe the underlying economic expansion that is approaching its sixth anniversary remains largely on track. Interest rates remain low, homes are affordable, consumer and small business confidence remains high, and the labor market is approaching full employment after a record 54 consecutive monthly payroll gains. I’m optimistic that the improving U.S. economy will continue to provide Wells Fargo with many opportunities to better serve our customers, our communities, and reward our shareholders. John Shrewsberry, our Chief Financial Officer, will now provide more details on our first quarter results. John?

Thanks John, and good morning everyone. My comments will follow the presentation included in the quarterly supplement, starting on Page 2. John and I will then answer your questions. Wells Fargo had another strong quarter, earning $5.8 billion and $1.04 in EPS in the first quarter and returning net $3.3 billion of capital to shareholders. Our results were driven by average loan and deposit growth and lower expenses while we maintained our strong capital and liquidity positions. Our results also benefited from a net $359 million discrete tax benefit in the first quarter primarily from a reduction in the reserve for uncertain tax positions due to the resolution of prior period matters with U.S. federal and state taxing authorities. As a reminder, we also had a $423 million discrete tax benefit in the first quarter of last year. We take a prudent approach in accounting for our tax liability, which can result in discrete tax benefits depending on the resolution of prior period matters with taxing authorities. Page 3 highlights our results compared with a year ago, including increased revenue and pre-tax pre-provision profit, strong loan and deposit growth, and lower share count reflecting net share repurchases. Page 4 highlights our revenue diversification and the balance between spread and fee income in the first quarter. The benefit of the diversity of our 90-plus businesses was demonstrated by our ability to grow both net interest income and non-interest income in the first quarter compared with a year ago, which was a key driver of our performance. As I’ve highlighted in the past, the drivers of our fee generation vary based on interest rates and economic conditions. For example, market-sensitive revenue, which includes trading and gains from debt and equity investments, declined 22% from a year ago, dropping from 14% to fee…

[Operator instructions] Our first question will come from the line of Erika Najarian with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Yes, good morning. Thank you so much for giving us a detailed rundown in terms of how you’re thinking about your liquidity strategy. I also appreciate the $28.4 billion in deposit growth came from consumer and escrow, but taking a step back, of the $1.2 trillion in period-end deposits, how much would you classify as non-operational corporate? I guess we’re just wondering is adopting a similar strategy as your other large bank peers on non-operating deposits, will that be able to alleviate some of the liquidity pressure on the NIM without much give-up on the LCR?

It’s a good question, and I’d say the answer is we’re not impacted in the same way as some of the other banks who have gone to the measures that they have announced to discourage those types of deposits. We’re not constrained by the leverage ratio at this point. We’re not meaningfully impacted by institutional non-operational deposits in our GSIB score, and so we’re serving institutional customers and in some cases taking their deposits if it makes sense in the context of the bigger relationship, but we’re not in the same position as the couple of banks who have had to go out of their way to drive down either leverage--change their leverage outcome or drive down their GSIB score. So we will--we’re thinking about those relationships in a way where we can do the most good for Wells Fargo shareholders, so if other people are charging more or are consolidating business activity to be willing to take those deposits, there’s an opportunity for us to improve our business with those same types of customers, but it’s not quite as urgent because we don’t have those problems.

I guess a better way to think about it is a lot of this excess deposit growth is going to be positive for your LCR and NSFR, given that it looks like it’s mostly retail, so low outflow, high ASF factor type of deposits.

That’s correct. And Erika, the other thing that I know you’re aware of, we love the entire relationships, so surely on the retail side but it’s even true on the wholesale side. When we become the primary account holder, or think of it as a financial partner with a customer and deposits lead with that, good things happen. So that’s all part of serving customers broadly and deeply.

Just as a follow-up, then I’ll step back, you’ve been very consistent in terms of falling in that 55 to 59% efficiency ratio range, and you’re consistent in terms of your forward guidance. Again, given some of the other large bank guidance in efficiency out there, will it take rates for Wells Fargo to move further down to the 55% portion of that range?

Well, that would be one way to do it. An increase in rates, which would have an increase in revenue without a lot of associated expense, would do that. There are other ways to move a little bit lower in the range, depending on the mix of where revenue comes from and the initiatives that we have to manage expenses. But we’re comfortable in the range, we’re at the higher end of the range today, which is still an industry-leading level, and these other folks who are enacting their efficiency plans are coming towards us so we’re going to keep doing what we’re doing.

But we’re not standing still. We watch every expense around here as we repurpose dollars we save into things that we have to invest in.

Got it. Thank you for taking my questions.

Your next question will come from the line of Bill Carcache with Nomura. Please go ahead.

Thank you, good morning. Can you put into context for us whether the investment opportunities that you discussed that you see before you at the moment are--do you see them as growing, or are they getting harder to identify as you look ahead at, say, the next 12 months versus the last 12 months? Then relating to these investment opportunities, how should we be thinking about the trajectory of your payout ratio longer term? As you generate more capital going forward, is it fair just to view your payout ratio as being inversely related to your investment opportunities? I guess I’m asking from the perspective of kind of general overall view that higher payout ratios are better, but I’m wondering if that’s really how we should be thinking about it for Wells Fargo, given that your capital position is already largely optimized and you’re not sitting on a lot of excess capital at the moment, so whether or not we should be thinking about that.

So by investment opportunities, are you referring to our deployment of liquidity, or are you referring to, like the GE Capital case, where we’re buying a portfolio of loans with customers?

I think the GE Capital case, any other RWA growth for attractive return generation.

So serving our customers and deploying our capital in that way is the first call on our capital. We’re trying to grow earning assets with customers with cross-sell benefit and create new and bigger relationships with customers that we have. So certainly a certain amount of that factored into our capital plan, so that we are imagining doing that while returning capital to shareholders at a high level; but if the landscape were to shift so that the opportunity became more meaningful for us to originate more assets and in some cases acquire more assets that are good for us, then I think we’d be looking long and hard at that.

As far as the return on capital to shareholders, I think our record speaks for itself, and I know John mentioned it in his comments that we very much appreciate investment our shareholders have made in us and that we’re stewards of their capital, and returning as much of that as is prudent is what we plan on doing and want to do. There is no reason for us just to keep adding capital. On the other hand, first call is to grow the business, as John mentioned, and we will return as much, as I mentioned, as we prudently can, as you just saw recently with our increase in our dividend, or at least the ability to increase the dividend.

And the trick, of course, is to only take advantage of investment opportunities that are capable of generating the kind of return on equity that we’ve been generating, and to keep distributions up to keep our capital level at the point - you use the term optimized - so that we’re not carrying excess capital that’s harder to produce that return on. That’s the balance.

That’s very helpful. My last question is on the dynamic that we’re seeing with loan growth outpacing deposit growth across the banking system as a whole, but for the larger banks, including Wells Fargo, I guess we’re still seeing deposit growth outpacing loan growth. I was hoping that you could just talk about what you think may be driving that, and do you see anything on the horizon that you think could change that; in other words, just lead to loan growth outpacing deposit growth at the large banks as well.

Well, I think every large bank has a slightly different business mix, and so whatever accounts for their loan growth is going to be unique to them. In our case, because we’ve done such a good job at attracting retail households and attracting wholesale relationships that are bringing meaningful liquidity in, deposit growth has been outpacing loan growth for some time, and it would take a big move in loan growth - which could include utilization of existing credit facilities or incremental funded loans - in order to catch up with that. It would have to be in a higher economic growth environment, I think, for loan growth to get into the 9% range, which is where deposits have been. Now, if we’re buying portfolios of loans like we are in the next couple of quarters, that will certainly have an impact on that, but that’s not probably something that you would project into the future at that same pace. So I don’t see that turning around in the near term.

In fact, these are some of the strongest deposit growth years I’ve seen in my 30-some years with the company, and I think it’s partly because of the way we work together as a company, our distribution, the convenience we provide for customers, our focus on this. So it’s been very strong, and all signs are that we’ll continue to have a very strong deposit growth profile.

And at 9 basis points, it’s not as though we’re overpaying.

No, exactly.

That’s very helpful. Thank you for taking my questions.

Your next question comes from the line of John McDonald with Bernstein. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning. John, we wanted to just go back to the efficiency ratio. Is it reasonable to expect as long as rates stay low and credit is as good as it is right now, you’re likely to stay at the upper end of your targeted range? I think John Shrewsberry, you said last call you’d be okay staying at the higher end of the--you know, in this kind of environment. Is there any expenses that are kind of still cyclically elevated? Maybe just give a little more color there.

Yes, we’re continuing to--we’re always looking for ways to be, as John said, as efficiency as we can and to make the most of every dollar we spend. At the same time, now is the time when there are big demands in information security and compliance and risk management, and so if we’re finding dollars on the efficiency side of the ledger, we’re reinvesting them either in products and services for our customers or in becoming best-in-class across all risk management aspects. So that’s probably going to keep us here at the higher end of the range, unless we have a breakout in some revenue category or we have an increase in rates, which is fine. At 58, 59%, it’s still an attractive level to be performing at, and we’re improving our company every day.

Okay, and on TLAC, John, is there some thoughts that you could share in terms of preparing for TLAC? The rules, obviously, aren’t finished yet, but are you taking steps to prepare for your assessment of the most likely proposal that you’d see on that front?

Sure, so we’ve got a variety of analyses of most likely or best case/worst case, and they look a lot like what’s out there in the public domain. We’re going to end up issuing more term debt during the phase-in period, and we’ll probably start in the relatively near term to leg into it so that we don’t end up with an enormous overhang that has to be issued in a short amount of time. There’s still a lot to know--oh, go ahead?

Oh no, sorry, I was going to say is it preferred as well? If you could just kind of weigh in on preferreds relative to where you think you might need to be.

Yeah, well there’s a little bit of preferred left to leg into our capital plan, but not much. And of course, there might be more if there’s RWA growth and the whole capital stack expands pro rata. I think we’re at 149 basis points of preferred today, and our target is 150, so we’re pretty close there. But if we grow RWA, then there’s an opportunity for more of that. The big job to do is going to be on the senior unsecured side, and so we need to know what the total quantum is as a result of where we end up in the 16 to 20 range as a base. We need to know what’s included and excluded, and there’s still things on that list that are being resolved both in the international and domestic standard. And then, we need to know the exact phase-in period, which we think we know. So when you look at those calculations with what we have maturing or otherwise running off, and then as I mentioned growth in RWA, that will lead us to what our annual issuance has to be to get there on time when the rule is final.

Okay, thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Ken Usdin with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning. John, I was wondering if you could provide any color to help us understand on the new loan purchases, is there any way to put in context either the yield of the portfolio relative to the existing yield of the Wells Fargo book, and do you bring over expenses with it or is it largely just interest income coming over, as has happened in your prior acquisitions of loan books?

So the yield on the portfolio looks a lot like our commercial real estate portfolio today, because the loans look a lot like our commercial real estate loan portfolio today, and it’s not coming over with material expense. I think we probably will have to add some small number of incremental people, but as you know, we’re the largest commercial real estate lender in the U.S. today and we’ve got a big, seasoned team all over the country that’s close to borrowers and close to properties. That’s the core team that will be managing the portfolio. If we’re adding people, it’s in the tens or maybe dozens of incremental professionals in order to help with asset management, but not a big number in the context of the size of the portfolio.

Okay. Then as a follow-up, with regard to potential other portfolios that GE had talked about, given your positioning in terms of helping them through the structure, as you mentioned, do you guys get a different look or have you already taken a look at other parts of the book and this is just the first tranche of what could be more, or what’s your general perception of the opportunity set that could come forth for Wells Fargo?

They're a great customer, and we’re trying to continue to help them and work together like we did here. They mentioned in their announcement that there is more to do, and we’ll go through in any way that we can be helpful to them in ways that our good for our shareholders as well. So there is opportunity there - I can’t really be specific about it because there are competitive processes at work, and this is their balance sheet, after all. But we will definitely be working closely together to see if there are other ways that we can help them.

Okay. One follow-up on your credit comments. Understanding that energy is baked into this quarter and that you still net release reserves, can you just kind of give us the pushes and pulls within the credit buckets in terms of how much more improvement do you continue to see on the rest of the book, ex-the energy side, or have we really just kind of gotten to the end of the natural improvement?

Well, there is still meaningful improvement in first mortgage in particular. You’ve seen charge-offs - they continue to come down, NPLs are down. The portfolio is performing very, very well, so as a result, there was room to take stock of what we think the issues are with the energy portfolio and end up with a net reserve release - a modest one, but a net reserve release. So it’s quarter by quarter, we’ll look at it at the end of the second quarter and see what the numbers tell us, but things do continue to improve.

But Ken, I think we should also add that while there is still more improvement to be had on residential, on the other hand our commercial side has been close to or even in a recovery position. That won’t last forever, so there is always pushes and pulls here, but overall credit is really, really doing well here. That’s an industry phenomenon, but especially here at Wells.

Understood. Thank you, guys.

Your next question comes from the line of Scott Siefers with Sandler O’Neill & Partners. Please go ahead.

Morning guys. Just a couple of quick questions. So John, the tax rate has kind of bumped around, and this quarter obviously you had the discrete issue that you called out. What’s the appropriate FTE tax rate to use going forward?

The best way to think about the remainder of the year tax rate is to take the $359 million discrete tax benefit out of the first quarter and then recalculate the tax rate, which would get you to the mid-32s.

Yes, exactly. Okay, thank you. Then the other one - when you had been talking about the mobile growth, you had noted also that branch use has not been declining. From your perspective, who is coming in and what kind of stuff are they doing, and as you look at overall branch traffic and use and the need for branches, is it a good thing that people are still coming in, in that it makes for an easier, more direct cross-sell, or is it more of a negative in that you have to make mobile investments but you can’t really leverage via fewer branches necessarily, or as much branch reduction as you might hope. How do you think about that dynamic?

Yes, here’s how we think about that. We start out with a customer, and customers tell us branches are important. We hear that every day, and while our other channels are growing - in fact, if you think about the 12,000 consumer interactions we have a minute in this company, 80% or so are what I would call digitally supported, either let’s say online or mobile, and mobile being our fastest growing. But our stores, our 6,200 stores are still busy. Seventy-five percent of our customers come into a store once every six months, even millennials or our most advanced on the digital side visit our stores, visit ATMs. But 85% of our growth sales happen there, providing solutions, so it doesn’t mean we have to build 5,000 or 6,000 square foot stores. As you probably know and we’ve talked in the past, we’ve tried some different concepts where we have 1,000 square foot stores that at night become an ATM vestibule and in the daytime the walls fold in and it becomes a full functioning, digitally-enabled store. We’re doing that kind of thing, but our most loyal customer today is not necessarily the one who has the most products, it’s the customer who does the most things with us, uses the most channels most often. So there is a--and we’re increasingly becoming an information provider. We’re in the information business as much as on the retail we’re in the financial services business, so this is really about connecting all the channels, not about trying to drive customers into what’s cheaper for us. That’s not how we think about that. We think about what’s best for them, and branches still remain an enormously important part in that.

Okay, that’s good color. I appreciate it. Thanks a lot, guys.

Your next question comes from the line of Joe Morford with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Good morning, guys. I guess first, compared to the fourth quarter the commercial loan growth was a little slower outside of real estate construction. Was some of that seasonal, or were there other factors in play there? And just in general, how do you feel about the current levels of demand on the commercial side?

So the big Q4 to Q1 change is that we closed the sale of the student loan portfolio in Q4, which created a big C&I loan that happened toward the end of the quarter, so the step-up there was from a pretty elevated place. That has an impact in the calculation. I think in the first quarter, we feel good. Pipelines look pretty good. We’ve talked to the leadership of the business and people are active, so from one quarter to the next, tough to tell. The year-over-year trend in C&I loans is really, really healthy, and then that step-up calculation is a little disadvantageous just to the math, but business is good.

Okay. The other question was just curious what your early read is on the spring selling season this year, and are you starting to see any signs of a return of the first-time home buyer?

Well Joe, since we’re a big retail originator, that’s obviously a big opportunity for us. Your question would suggest that the first-time home buyer had been a bit absent in this recovery compared to what it’s been in previous recoveries, but I think some of the work that the industry did along with the GSCs in understanding put-back risk and transfer of risk makes credit a little bit more available. There is a little bit more activity going on, wage increases and increases in employment, that have been helpful. Affordability is really--you know, it’s a good time to buy a home, so you never know. We’re hopeful - we’re going into the quarter with the highest pipeline - $44 billion - that we’ve had in a couple years, so we’re well positioned and we’ll have to see what the numbers show, but we’re running on faith here.

Sounds good. Thanks very much.

Your next question comes from the line of Mike Mayo with CLSA. Please go ahead.

Hi, can you hear me?

Yeah, hi Mike. Good morning.

Hey. Can you talk a little bit more in the housing backlog? How does it look by region, and what are the areas of strength?

It’s hard to say. It would be--the mortgage business that we’re looking at right now, we’re talking about national statistics. I guess obviously when we’re talking about affordability and particularly for first-time home buyers or people who are most likely to benefit from the easing of the credit box that John just referred to, they probably would have the hardest time in the hottest markets, which - no surprise - are coastal markets and big cities, sitting here in San Francisco and many of you in New York. So things are more affordable in the middle of the country. That wouldn’t come as any surprise. Most of what we’re referring to is the national pipeline and statistics, and as far as I can tell, the production is pretty balanced from our various mortgage offices.

Mike, just a couple things that you probably already know, as John mentioned, there are certain markets where the biggest challenge for housing is lack of inventory. Still, the entire Bay Area is a bid market where you bid for houses, you--I mean, my daughter and son-in-law bought a house recently. You have to write a letter and tell them how nice you are and how many children you have. A nice letter plus a lot of money will get you in the bidding process. That’s not true, of course, everywhere, but I was in Miami recently and that market, it’s stunning how that market is really doing so well. You would have looked back six years ago and you couldn’t imagine what’s going on today. So it just depends, and it’s a bit about what’s happening in those local economies. In the Bay Area, of course, what’s happening in migration technology and so forth has really created a lot of activity here. So it’s a bit of a mixed bag, but all in all, we’re optimistic about the second quarter here.

Right, thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Paul Miller with FBR Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Yes, thank you very much. You talk very positively about your mobile banking, your online banking, which I think everybody is having that same trend, but I know you’ve opened a couple express branches, or whatever you want to call them, in the Washington DC area. How are they working out? Are you planning to expand those types of branches?

Yes, we have--the first one there was NoMa - north of Massachusetts, and we had a second. Now we’re doing a couple others in other markets, but I don’t want to suggest for a minute that you’ll see 6,200 NoMa’s with 1,000 square feet across the franchise. I think it’s a bit of everything, meaning that there is some hub and spoke where you have a larger established branch or store that’s been there for many years, and then you have others around that maybe wouldn’t be as large. You have some like the case in north of Massachusetts where you couldn’t get 5,000 square feet, and 1,000 square feet is optimal for that market. So this is really about looking at our distribution, and what we call actually health of your distribution - are you in the right location with the right hours, the right people, the right footprint, and does the store or the branch work in concert with all the other channels of distribution so customers can start transactions one place, finish another place. Is there ubiquity, is there one version of the truth around information, and how customers serve themselves or want service from us. So it’s a whole bunch of things that really matter in this, and I think the proof in the pudding is our ability to grow primary checking accounts. I’ve never seen growth of 5.7%, and like John mentioned, it’s not that we overpay on deposits - 9 basis points. I mean, this is the magic of how this thing all works together.

And also over by NoMa, you also opened up one in a Safeway--I think it was a Safeway out there. I know a lot of people are moving away from supermarket banking. I don’t think you are a big player in that area, but is that working out also?

Yeah, at one time--this goes back a number of years. In 1998 when the former Norwest, the side of the family I came from, and Wells merged, Wells was hugely indexed - over-indexed to grocery stores. We’ve been adjusting that since that time, but again we think of it density within a market, and sometimes to fill out that density it’s a freestanding ATM machine, sometimes it’s in-store, sometimes it’s a NoMa 1,000 square foot, so it all fits into what we call the S-curve. Maybe I’ll just digress for a second. If a community has, let’s say, 500 banking locations, that’s optimal for a community, and you have 20% of those - 100, and that’s the optimal amount, you’ll actually get more than 20% of the business. You’ll get 25% of the business because certain competitors will have 10% of the stores and they’ll get 8% of the business. So there is a magic to the density and where the density is and how it works together, and that’s just part of our learnings after many, many years. So sometimes grocery stores fit into that, sometimes they don’t. It surely would not be a lead-only strategy, but as an augment, it’s very powerful.

Thank you very much.

Your next question comes from the line of Nancy Bush with NAB Research LLC. Please go ahead.

Good morning, guys. How are you?

Nancy, hi.

I have a question for you, John S - Stumpf.

Yeah, there’s two John S’s around here!

John S. doesn’t go anymore. There have been several articles recently, one a couple of days ago, I think maybe in the Wall Street Journal or somewhere, about the changing risk profile at Wells Fargo. They look at increased percentage of revenues coming from investment banking and assign a risk premium to that. Could you just address the whole issue, and just frame out for us how big you want investment banking and/or capital markets activities to be there?

Yes, it’s a good question. We think of customers--and Nancy, I’ll get to the specific question, but the way we think about business here is around relationships, relationships with team members. My 11 direct reports have 28 years with the company. We think of relationships with our customers, our communities, our shareholders. Buffett’s been an owner of ours for 25 years. We love long-term things, so as it gets to investment banking activities, we think of that as another solution, another product, another service. Most of the revenue that comes from that business is from existing customers who have been doing business for a long, long time. When you are the number one middle market bank, when you have leadership positions in energy and ag and commercial real estate, and you do business with 80-plus or 90% of the Fortune 500, you’re going to get opportunities to serve customers deeply and broadly. If that means that through our skills and our people and our value proposition that customers, corporate customers want us to help them with valuation, issuing debt, issuing equity - wonderful. If we’re not good enough to get that and they go someplace else, we just have to work harder. So I don’t really look at lead tables. I guess I read where--in fact, I read for the first time when I read the Journal that we were number seven or eight or nine - I can’t remember the number it was. I could have cared less, absolutely cared less. I only care that we do the right thing for customers, and if that means that we’re moving up - terrific. If that means that others are growing faster because they’re taking risks or doing things that don’t make sense to us, God bless them. So that’s how we think about it, not as a standalone business, as one more way to help customers succeed.

So I guess that’s sort of it may or may not grow.

Exactly. Just based on our skills and the market availability.

Nancy, a couple of data points I’d give you, just to help you dimension it. If you look at Wells Fargo compared to the peer group on the risks that we run, that we report in our 10-Qs and 10-K, we’ve got a more modest set of trading businesses with a very low risk profile, at least as measured by VAR, which is the popular public version of that. Our investment banking fees, while we’re thrilled and happy to have them, amount to a couple billion dollars a year, something like that, on a $90 billion revenue base. I think this quarter we were in the $420 million, $430 million range for trading revenue, which is appropriate for the needs that we have, for customer accommodation, and for managing our own risks. But still, in the scheme of a $1.7 trillion balance sheet, the equity that we carry, and $90 billion worth of revenue, it’s just another one of or a couple of the 90-plus businesses that we refer to, and it’s not imagined to grow in an outsized way from where it is today. We’re always trying to do more, serve customers better. We have great people, but if we--imagine we doubled the size of the business over some period of time while the firm grew at it steady organic rate. We’d still be in a relatively modest percentage of the overall firm.

And Nancy, the risk really would be if you ever saw where the market is shrinking, let’s say in investment banking or capital markets, and we’re outsized growing because we’re taking on risks with customer relationships that we had not known, that’s where you see the imbalance. That’s, again, just not who we are.

Okay. Second question for John No. 2, in mortgage banking, if you could just repeat what you said about gain on sale. I was writing as fast as I could, but I missed the number. And where do you expect it to be in the second quarter?

Yes, so the first quarter was at about 2%, a little more - 2.06%, which is the high end of the five-quarter range, and the second quarter is operating in that neighborhood, so we feel like we’re going to be at the high end of the range in the second quarter as well.

There’s a lot more discipline this time around, Nancy, with gain on sale margins, as you well know because you’ve seen this industry over a long time, so--and that’s a healthy thing.

Okay, thank you very much.

Your next question comes from the line of Matt O’Connor with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Matt O’Connor: Morning. Just a follow-up on the mortgage competitive landscape here. It’s interesting - we saw JP Morgan out earlier today with a big increase in correspondent originations versus a year ago. I think maybe you’ve been a little more consistent in that business, so it’s just some ebbs and flows. If you could just remind us on the correspondent and maybe talk about the mix that you’re going after right now.

Yeah, I don’t know if it’s a mix of going after as much as a mix of what’s coming in. We’ve been very consistent, as you said. What happens when rates pop down and refis spike up is that our own servicing portfolio results in a lot more applications because the easiest thing for somebody to do when they want to take advantage of a rate rally is call Wells Fargo, because we probably already have their mortgage. So that’s going to have a bigger influence on a strategy that we might have around correspondent, and I think you can see in the supplement that retail was $28 billion and correspondent $20 billion of this quarter’s activity. That’s not an inconsistent blend versus the last several quarters. There are more correspondents these days, as you know, that go direct to the agencies because the agencies have opened the window to them, and that’s also a lower margin business for us, so all things being equal, we’re happy to be a retail lender but we do serve a big correspondent constituency.

And Matt, if you go back in time, we actually had a larger share of the correspondent because there was a number of competitors who backed away, walked away from that market, who come and go from time to time. So that will ebb and flow as participants either stay in or get out, or whatever. Matt O’Connor: Then to circle back on expenses, I guess I’m focused on, call it the people cost - the salaries, commissions, incentive comp, employee benefits. If you sum those three lines, it's up, I think, 6, 7% versus a year ago. I know there’s the trading nuance that we need to adjust for, but is there some impact of the mortgage pipeline impact on those numbers as you staff up in anticipation of higher volume? I’m trying to reconcile why that growth might be so much versus revenue in some of the categories in fees.

Yes, I wouldn’t look towards mortgage. I would look towards risk management and investments that we’re making along those lines. The beauty about mortgage in the first quarter was that this refi pipeline helps use the capacity that we would have needed in the fourth quarter and we anticipate needing in the second quarter, so it was a greater level of utilization. For better or for worse, the changes in year-over-year are a variety of other things, including business mix, by the way, in terms of how commissions get paid and other revenue-related incentives. But it would be that plus investments made in compliance and risk management, cyber and information security, things like that. Those are--we have the best people and those are not inexpensive. Matt O’Connor: Any way to size that, either on an absolute basis or versus, say, a year ago, just that overall bucket of, call it non-revenue related cost?

I don’t have an accurate number. I think we’ve talked about $100 million a quarter, a couple quarters ago as having been an observable increase in that category, and it’s not any lower than that today. Maybe we’ll see if next time around we can put a finer point on that. Matt O’Connor: Okay. All right, thank you very much.

Again, that is star, one for any questions. Your next question comes from the line of Eric Wasserstrom with Guggenheim Securities. Please go ahead.

Thanks very much. John, just to follow up on your energy-related comments, and I appreciate the detail you provided, but can you just clarify - was there in fact any increase in general or specific reserves for that portfolio or any downward migration in internal risk ratings, or anything of that nature?

There was a little bit of downward migration, not enough to meaningfully drive the reserve. There was a little bit of an increase in NPAs, but negligible, and we realized minimal losses in the quarter in the energy portfolio.

Okay.

But the change in reserve reflects all of the actual migration, the actual observation of performance in the energy portfolio.

Understood. One of the other institutions indicated that based on the forward price curve, they would expect some of the pressure on the E&P sector [indiscernible].

I’d have to say yes. I mean, we’re in the middle of our spring redetermination process for the borrowing base loans, so we’ll have a better feeling afterwards. We have noticed a lot of capital raising going on in the space. We talked last quarter about the risk to our investment banking income around energy-related firms, because we’re large in that space, and we had a great first quarter in energy investment banking because lots of equity was raised, lots of firms went to the debt market to turn themselves out. So that’s a very positive sign - there’s people taking steps and changing their balance sheets and improving their risk profile, so that and the combination of where the forward curve demonstrates that energy prices might be going is helpful. But again, that’s reflected in our early view of our allowance and it will be better informed once we finish our borrowing base redeterminations.

And typically when is that?

During this quarter.

Great, thanks very much.

Your next question comes from the line of Marty Mosby with Vining Sparks. Please go ahead.

Thank you. I want to drill into the mortgage banking a little bit more, in that when we managed ours and we had this recognition of origination at close and not interest rate locked, whenever prepayments kicked in, servicing income was compressed as you had to write down the servicing for the expected prepayments, but origination income wasn’t at its full run with refi. So in my mind, I was just trying to look at this first quarter as kind of the launching pad going into much stronger, and not to quantify that, but just a stronger return of revenues on mortgage from that timing effect.

Actually, I think that’s a pretty astute observation, because we would be valuing the MSR on prepayment expectations, which reflect that lower interest rate, and we haven’t taken the gain on the pipeline and what’s locked and slated to close in the second quarter.

Two follow-ups to that thought process. Seventy-one basis points on the servicing portfolio has to be close to an all-time low. Are we getting to the point that even with prepayments, we wouldn’t need much more revaluation given you’ve already incorporated a lot of the expected prepayments into the current valuation?

It’s a good observation, but it’s tough to say. We look at that calculation regularly, but in connection with our preparation of our financial statements on a quarterly basis, and take everything into account that’s available then, and that’s when we strike the value.

Then lastly when you convert your unclosed pipeline of $44 billion into what would be a normal pull-through into originations in the next quarter, I get to something like $75 billion to $80 billion. Does that seem about right in the sense that that’s the kind of run rate you’re getting into at this point?

Tough to know. We don’t know what hasn’t happened yet, and that’s what’s going to--the applications that will be received and pulled through in the quarter, so too early to speculate.

The good thing is that half of it is already done in the unclosed pipeline, so you at least know that part.

That’s right.

All right, thank you.

Our final question will come from the line of John Pancari with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Thanks for taking my questions. A quick question on the margin. I wanted to get some color on the 13 basis point decline in commercial loan yields. I know you indicated that was partly impacted by fees. Did lower loan fees account for all of that, or how much of it was downward pressure on yields from pricing pressure?

It’s more PCI loan recoveries and lower loan fees than competitive pricing pressure. Those things that we call the variable components of interest income are harder to predict, and when a loan gets resolved that’s been sitting in workout, sometime it comes through the margin line, and then if a loan prepays or there is loan fee hung up in its carrying value, then that sometimes comes through interest income as well. It’s those types of items that are tough to plan for, tough to budget, and in this particular quarter were lower than in prior quarters.

Okay, and then how does that play into your margin outlook? Is it fair to assume still mid-single digit basis point compression per quarter as we move through ’15?

It’s too tough to call, because it depends on what happens with deposit growth, it depends on what happens with loan growth, and then other investments that we make in the securities portfolio. That’s what’s going to drive it. It’s led by what happens to deposit growth, and of course if there were a move in interest rates, that would have an impact as well. We’re not trying to forecast it in this instance.

Okay, all right.

Yeah, our real focus is on generating growth in net interest income, and the margin is more the result, not the reason.

Right, okay. Then on that front, John, if you could just talk a little bit about loan growth expectations. I know you gave some good color on what you’re seeing on C&I, but CRE, you saw still declines in your total CRE book. I want to get some thoughts around a sustained inflection in that portfolio organically, and then is it also fair to assume that the loan growth overall should remain in the mid-single digit range at this point?

Tough to call, because it depends on the mix. We’ve got a variety of commercial and consumer asset types here that each have their own market and cyclical dynamics. I think we expect cards were probably at a seasonal low in the first quarter, so between seasonality and issuing new cards, that business probably grows. Auto, we’ve kept--it’s grown but kept relatively stable. It’s gotten to be a more competitive market, and we’ve picked our spots, I think, a little bit more delicately. In commercial real estate, it’s going to be tough to spot the organic component of it because the purchase of the GE portfolio and this incremental loan to Blackstone Mortgage Trust is going to have a big impact in the second and third quarters. But if I’d add anything to that, it’s that now the competitive dynamic in commercial real estate lending is a little bit different because a big competition is exiting the business. That probably means something for us organically, if that’s helpful.

Okay, thank you. My last question is just on the credit side. The oil and gas reserve post what you did this quarter, can you quantify where that reserve stands right now?

You know, we don’t call it out specifically. We capture the whole portfolio in our overall allowance for loan losses and feel that that is absolutely adequate for the loan book that we have, which incidentally has never been better overall. Oil and gas loans are approximately 2% of the total portfolio.

Right. Okay, thanks again for taking my questions.

Okay, this concludes our call, so thanks. I especially want to thank you to all 265,000 team members for a very, very good first quarter, and thanks for all of you on the line. We will see you next quarter. Bye bye.

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