Edward R. Seraphim
Management
Sure. Well, I think, first of all, in terms of 2013 -- I'll talk with -- about Cariboo first and then Hinton. Really, at Cariboo, we really had no large major issues. We just had a number of reliability issues around the mill. We have spent a lot of capital there previous to that. We've put in a new cogen facility. We've put in a new chlorine dioxide facility. And I think -- and then I think to some degree, and I think this also affects Hinton, is with all those projects, I think it did affect our mill reliability programs. And I think we paid the price there. So nothing significant, Sean. And moving to Hinton, the issues we've talked about, and I've got to be honest with you, I don't like having to talk about this because we really expect these mills to run well. But the issues we had in, say, 2012, were more around the machine upgrade. We put a -- we did a complete upgrade of that machine, and so we had a lot of issues there. And I think, again, we put so much focus on the machine, and we were counting on the rest of mill, the front end of the mill, the digesters, the recovery boilers, et cetera, to run well. And we really had no issues with those in 2012 of any magnitude. And once again, I think, our reliability program, overall, for the mill suffered. And that's really where we had most of our issues last year. And again, nothing major, but very frustrating. I don't like -- I don't think I can sit here and tell you that we have a magic bullet here. I think it's really about focus, reliability, and I can tell you that our group is very focused up there. And we just got to keep working at it and -- because we do have a good cost structure. Both those mills run well. We have a very good cost structure. And so from my perspective, it's just about focus, focus, focus. In terms of how the year started, Cariboo has run well. Hinton's ran a little bit better than last year, but it's still not where we want it to be. In terms of our maintenance shutdowns, we have a short one in Cariboo in May that's about 6 days, and then we have our major shutdown in Hinton in September. That'll be 15 days.