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Winnebago Industries, Inc. (WGO)

Q4 2025 Earnings Call· Wed, Oct 22, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to Winnebago Industries Q4 and Fiscal 2025 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Raymond Posadas, Vice President of Investor Relations and Market Intelligence. Please go ahead, sir.

Raymond Posadas

Management

Thank you, Towanda. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us to discuss our fiscal 2025 fourth quarter and full year earnings results. This call is being broadcast live on our website at investor.wgo.net. And the replay of the call will be available on our website later today. The news release with our fourth quarter and fiscal 2025 results was issued and posted to our website earlier this morning. Please note that the earnings slide deck that follows along with our prepared remarks is also available on the Investors section of our website under Quarterly Results. Turning to Slide two. Certain statements made during today's conference call regarding Winnebago Industries and its operations may be considered forward-looking statements under securities laws. The company cautions you that forward-looking statements involve a number of risks and are inherently uncertain. A number of factors, many of which are beyond the company's control, could cause the actual results to differ materially from these statements. These factors are identified in our SEC filings, which we encourage you to read. In addition, on today's call, management will refer to GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures. The reconciliation of the non-GAAP measures to the comparable GAAP measures is available in our earnings press release. One additional housekeeping item. Beginning with our Q4 and full year 2025 results, we are transitioning our segment profitability measure from adjusted EBITDA to operating income. To assist with modeling, our investor supplement provides a table detailing segment quarterly operating income along with depreciation and amortization for fiscal 2025 and 2024. It should be noted that operating income at the segment level excludes both interest expense and tax expense, which is held at the corporate level. Please turn to slide three. Joining me on today's call are Michael Happe, president and chief executive officer of Winnebago Industries, and Bryan Hughes, senior vice president and chief financial officer. Mike will begin with an overview of our Q4 performance, Bryan will then discuss the associated drivers of our financial results in addition to sharing our forward view of the market and our fiscal year 2026 guidance. Mike will conclude our prepared remarks, and then management will be happy to take your questions. With that, please turn to Slide four as I hand the call over to Mike.

Michael Happe

Management

Thanks, Ray, and good morning, everyone. On our Q3 call in June, I spoke with you about the importance of staying focused on the areas of the business within our control. As I reflect on our fourth quarter performance, the entire Winnebago Industries team has reasons to be proud. We ended a challenging fiscal year with a strong fourth quarter that reflects the resilience of our team and the strength of our diversified portfolio. Our results also demonstrate the progress of the strategic actions we've taken to begin transforming our Winnebago branded RV businesses. Complementing our healthy stable of industry-leading brands, these initiatives and others across the enterprise enabled us to return to positive operating cash flow in the quarter, improve working capital, and meaningfully reduce our net leverage ratio. We generated adjusted diluted earnings per share of $0.71 on net revenues of $777.3 million. Momentum across brands and product lines more than offset operating margin pressure from the ongoing turnaround at our Winnebago branded businesses. Our improved Q4 performance enabled us to achieve the high end of our revised 2025 financial guidance. Driving our growth in Q4 were standout motorized RV products like Newmar's Class A Summit Air and Grand Design's Lineage Series M, which is rapidly gaining momentum in the Class C diesel category. On the towable side, the affordable Grand Design Transcend series is resonating with new consumers to the RV lifestyle. We also continued to see strong performance in our marine segment from multiple Barletta products, including the ARIA, which have become the definition of affordable luxury in the aluminum pontoon segment. Turning to key RV trends on slide five. Following a brief uptick earlier in the summer, RV retail registrations declined in August. On a trailing three-month basis, retail demand remained stable and dealer inventories…

Bryan Hughes

Management

Thank you, Mike. Good morning, everyone. Starting on Slide nine, higher consolidated net revenues were primarily driven by favorable product mix and targeted price increases, partially offset by higher discounts and allowances. In aggregate, volumes across our portfolio were roughly flat versus the prior year's fourth quarter. Consolidated gross profit increased on the higher revenues, although gross margin declined primarily due to costs associated with the ongoing transformation of the Winnebago branded businesses, partially offset by targeted price increases. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA increased 33.1% year over year. Consolidated operating income also improved significantly from 2024, which was impacted by an impairment charge we took against the Chris Craft goodwill. Adjusted EPS of $0.71 was up 2.5 times from the prior year fourth quarter. Turning to our Towable RV segment results on Slide 10. Revenue, as anticipated, was down slightly year over year, reflecting a mix shift toward a more value-oriented consumer and driving higher volume in products such as our Grand Design Transcend series. Targeted price increases and improved operating efficiencies within our Winnebago Towables business drove a 210 basis point increase in operating income margin, outweighing higher warranty experience and slight deleverage on the lower sales. As shown on Slide 11, double-digit top-line growth in the Motorhome RV segment was powered by higher unit volume and favorable mix, driven by the continued ramp-up of Grand Design RV's motorized Lineage lineup, as well as a stronger quarter from Newmar. This growth was partially offset by higher discounts and allowances versus last year in the Winnebago branded motorhome business. On the margin side, improved volume leverage and lower warranty expense partly offset costs associated with the ongoing transformation of the Winnebago branded motorhome business and higher discounts and allowances. As part of this ongoing transformation, we took decisive action in Q4…

Michael Happe

Management

Thanks, Brian. In closing, we ended the year with a strong fourth quarter, delivering solid results across revenue, profitability, and cash flow. A testament to the strength of our diversified portfolio and disciplined execution. We're energized by the momentum building across our enterprise. The strategic actions we're taking to revitalize the Winnebago motorhome and towables lineup, align operations with market demand, and streamline our cost structure are beginning to generate a meaningful improvement to results. We're seeing the early stages of what we believe will become a powerful flywheel effect. Great products attracting top-tier dealers, stronger retail performance reinforcing brand strength, and renewed energy across our distribution network. After all, Winnebago remains the most recognized brand in the entire RV industry. Across our outdoor portfolio, the trends are encouraging. Grand Design Motorized is off to an outstanding start in its first full year, Newmar continues to lead in core motorized Class A segments, and Grand Design Towables is expanding with new offerings that balance quality and affordability. Our marine brands, Chris Craft and Barletta, remain pillars of innovation and premium customer experiences. As we look ahead to fiscal 2026, our optimism is grounded in execution, not assumptions about market recovery. With a strong foundation in place, we expect the cadence of improvement to accelerate through the year as we continue to execute on our strategic initiatives. Now Brian and I are happy to take your questions this morning. Operator, please open the line for the Q and A session.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press 11 again. Our first question comes from the line of Scott Stember with Roth. Your line is open.

Scott Stember

Analyst

Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. Maybe we could dig into tariffs a little. Last quarter, you guys had talked about some unmitigated expense in that 50 to 75¢ worth of EPS range. And it sounds like there's still a lot of variability at least within your guidance. Can you talk about how much or where the unmitigated portion is? Is it at the lower end of your guidance? Or maybe just frame out what that number is.

Michael Happe

Management

Scott, good morning. Thanks for the question. As we had indicated at our open house investor event, this morning's guidance does include what we currently anticipate to be the full impact of tariffs on our business performance in the next twelve months. As Brian highlighted in his comments, the tariff subject continues to be very dynamic. And there certainly could be changes in the tariff environment in the future. And as those happen, we will certainly continue to keep the investor community updated as to the relevance and the impact on our business. But we chose for this morning's purpose of providing fiscal 2026 guidance to include the full impact in the guidance. So we won't be calling out this morning a specific number for tariffs in terms of the net impact on the business. But our teams continue to do an outstanding job of finding avenues to mitigate the tariff exposure. And as we also indicated in our Q4 commentary, we have made difficult decisions to do some disciplined pricing actions as well to cover some of those costs where we believe the market can take that. But the tariff environment continues to be very dynamic. And we imagine it will remain that way throughout the year. But we think we've built muscles and processes to mitigate that subject as effectively as most of our competitors are doing.

Scott Stember

Analyst

Got it. And last question on the cadence of guidance. I know you touched on it briefly. A lot of stuff going on, you know, retail, back and forth, and we're coming out of the you know, some of the actions that when the big motorized. But can you just maybe help us for modeling purposes maybe a little bit more granular what we should be looking at near term in quarters ahead versus maybe the first half? Versus the back half of the year?

Michael Happe

Management

Chad, I'll comment and then ask Brian to provide certainly more substance. You know, many of our fiscal years tend to be a bit back half loaded in terms of profit generation Q3 and Q4 especially. Fiscal 2026 will be similar in that regard. You know, we do believe that we'll be able to get off to a better start in the first half of the year than we had a year ago. But a majority of the upside will likely happen in the back six months of the year. I do want to reiterate and we stated it on the call, that our assumptions for fiscal 2026 are based on a relatively flattish retail and wholesale shipment environment. And so we believe most of the opportunity to drive stronger results in fiscal 2026 is really a result of actions that we can control. And some of the very difficult decisions we made in fiscal 2025 we believe that we are in a better position in fiscal 2026 to drive the business forward, especially on the bottom line. Brian, what would you add?

Bryan Hughes

Management

Not much more than that, Mike. I guess the only other add that I would have is that we do expect each quarter to show improvement year over year at this stage. That's the additional color I would provide.

Scott Stember

Analyst

Got it. That's all I have for now. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of James Hardiman with Citi. Your line is open.

James Hardiman

Analyst · Citi. Your line is open.

I wanted to dig into the guidance a little bit. Let's start with the industry numbers. I'm having a tough time getting the sort of full year shipment numbers to foot. I guess what are your assumptions for retail for '25 and '26? I think you said flattish for '26, but where do you expect that to finish in 2025? It seems like based on your wholesale assumption, that we're still gonna be looking at a pretty meaningful inventory reduction at the industry level in '25. Is that right?

Michael Happe

Management

James, I think that assumption is right. When we started both fiscal but also calendar year '25, I think there was certainly stronger optimism amongst the industry participants that we had finished most of the destocking from the prior two or three years, 2022 through '24. But that, in fact, was not the case. And, you know, retail in calendar '25 did not show itself to the degree that I think, again, everybody in the industry would have liked. And dealers continued to be disciplined in how they managed, obviously, their inventory both in terms of quality and quantity. For our fiscal 2026 year, you know, and calendar 2026 year as well, we really aren't anticipating a significant increase in dealer inventory. We think in many of our categories that we are near a situation where the industry can shift at a one-to-one level. I would say that there are pockets of the motor home category where that may not be the case, and we are watching the pontoon segment very carefully from the marine side. So I think your characterization of 2025 is correct in that there's potentially a little bit more destocking than we had anticipated. We are not necessarily building in 2026. But as Brian noted, the category we're watching the closest is some weakness in the marine space. As dealers continue to probably have slightly elevated inventory on pontoons that they're managing downward.

James Hardiman

Analyst · Citi. Your line is open.

That makes sense. But then I guess if putting Marine aside for the second for a second, if I just think about a 2025 in which there was significant destock and then a 2026 where if we assume sort of one-to-one, wholesale to retail, that would seem to suggest material growth in wholesale if retail is in fact flat. And so help me sort of understand, like, RVIA, for example, has a meaningfully higher shipment number at their midpoint. I just wanna make sure I'm not missing something. And maybe one way to talk about it is in the context of your business. I think you finished that 1.9 turns for the fiscal year. Do you expect that number to go higher next year? How should I think about that?

Michael Happe

Management

I would tell you that we're striving for two turns in all of our businesses and brands. We've got some of our businesses and product segments were a little further away from that than we'd like. But in a couple other segments, I think we're almost right on top of that number. So there may be places, James, where we undership the market a bit with the ambition of pursuing the turns goal. But there'll be other parts of our business that just have natural momentum in terms of the strategies we're executing. Grand Design Motorized, Winnebago Towables are two that come to mind. Again, I would tell you that I think for calendar year 2026, we anticipate that both for the RV business, that industry retail and industry wholesale can potentially be around that 330,000 unit mark. That's the midpoint of our 315 to 345 forecast. And that being said, over the course of those twelve months, you would not see significant dealer destocking in the RV industry. So, you know, we've got that modeled in a detailed fashion within our business for planning purposes. At the end of the day, we think 330,000 units for calendar year '26 is a reasonable assumption for us to use for planning purposes. If the market's healthier, fantastic. If it's a little softer, we still believe we have the levers within the business to be able to generate profitability in the guidance range that we offered this morning.

James Hardiman

Analyst · Citi. Your line is open.

Okay. And just sorry. Just to put a finer point on it. If three thirty is the expectation for wholesale and retail next year, what do you have penciled in for retail this year? Because at least based on my numbers, that would suggest a much bigger decline than where we've been year to date. Do you expect the last I don't know, four or five months of the year to be down significantly in terms of retail? Or is my math off here somewhere? Thanks.

Michael Happe

Management

Well, we don't know what retail will be, obviously, for sure in the last several months. Obviously, the gross number for August was a little bit higher than the industry had hoped it would be, but we think that net number will settle in a little bit more healthy place. It would not surprise us to see retail in the remaining months of the calendar year be down slightly, in that low to mid-single-digit range. But the variability of the industry is difficult to forecast right now. So, I'm not trying to evade an answer, James, here. It's just really, really hard to forecast either over an extended period of time but also to know what month to month the industry is gonna give us. And so but we are focused on our business, trying to drive our turns to as close to two point o as we can. We believe we have share gain opportunities in multiple spots within our portfolio. Grand Design Motorized, Winnebago Towables, Barletta, pontoons, travel trailers on the Grand Design side, and so regardless of what the market gives us, we believe we can deliver within the numbers for fiscal 2026 that were offered today.

James Hardiman

Analyst · Citi. Your line is open.

Got it. That's really helpful. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line Craig Kennison with Baird. Your line is open.

Craig Kennison

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I had a question around market share. You've had a really good story in the last five years with respect to market share in RVs and in marine. But at least in RVs, it appeared to take a step back in fiscal 2025, and that's probably due to a mix shift favoring some low-end units where you just don't play aggressively. I guess I'm wondering what's your view on market share trends for your brand, especially if this trend towards low-end RV units persists?

Michael Happe

Management

Yeah. Good morning, Craig. The most significant areas of pressure in the RV industry for us from a market share perspective have been the Class B category in motorhomes and some fifth-wheel retail share pressure we've also seen on the towable side. And I think those are due to similar but different reasons. The Winnebago brand of vans has long been the industry leader, both in terms of volume but also in terms of innovation. And in our comments this morning, we did mention that we continue to have the top three performing singular product brands in the Class B segment. But the reality is that that segment has gotten incredibly crowded over the last three or four years. Literally, there has been an explosion of brands and floor plans in that space and candidly, dealer distribution points. And almost by the default of math, with us only having one brand in Class B vans, until recently with Grand Design's launch. And us having primarily one distribution network under that one brand. The explosion of competition there really mathematically has pressured our share. But we continue to make the best product in that segment without a doubt. On the fifth-wheel side, that has been a combination of new competition that we've seen over the last three or four years and some very competitive offerings from those competitors, along with some shifts in price point attractiveness from some of our higher volume competitors in the industry. Our fiscal 2026 plans have us stabilizing volume in the RV market and slightly growing it for that particular fiscal year. And the two primary drivers are going to be Grand Design Motorized in the second year of their launch and some of the significant retail momentum continuing that we're seeing. And we intend to make meaningful strides on Winnebago Towables as well in fiscal year 2026. We had the strongest dealer ordering open house for that particular business that we've ever had in September. And we feel well-positioned to grow share in that space. We'll also see some share gains we believe continue in Class A diesel with Newmar and Grand Design Towables as we continue to work on the imagined and Transcend lines within that particular brand. So we're well aware, Craig, certainly, as you stated of some of the dilution in share here recently. But we believe we have plans in place to stabilize that and even in spots to strengthen our share in certain areas.

Craig Kennison

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

Thank you, Mike. And I wondered if you would also just compare the RV consumer versus the marine consumer today and then how those dealer bodies view the market differently?

Michael Happe

Management

Well, the RV consumer candidly is probably younger and more diversified in terms of a consumer base, and we think that has been even though obviously every industry has seen a significant volume pullback here in the last couple of years. You know, I think the RV industry as a whole has done a good job attracting consumers from all walks of life and keeping the products as affordable as possible given some of the cost pressures we've seen. To make sure that younger consumers are still participating in the lifestyle. The marine industry has some work to do candidly in that area. As an industry, we need to work within boating to bring the average age of the consumer down and get younger generations not only in the lifestyle but candidly owning more boats. And the diversity has been moving in the right direction. We continue to believe that the marine industry is a little bit further behind the RV industry in terms of the cycle. You know, Craig, I think even your recent report cited that many of the marine dealers feel they still have too much inventory. And we agree with that, and we're working closely with our dealers to try to right-size our particular inventory positions. We think we're in pretty good shape. But by and large, we think the marine consumer is a little bit more hesitant than the RV consumer right now. And the dealers are also probably more focused on destocking in many of those categories even more so than the RV dealers have been lately. But we believe our brands are positioned well. I'm optimistic that our Barletta Pontoon business especially will continue to unveil new strategies in the future to remain very competitive and continue to take share. And again, I think you can tell from us this morning that the theme of fiscal year 2026 for us is control what we can control, and we believe we have a number of actions and strategies in place to, again, deliver the results that we foreshadowed this morning.

Craig Kennison

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

Helpful. Thanks a lot, Mike.

Michael Happe

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Joe Altobello with Raymond James.

Joe Altobello

Analyst · Raymond James.

Thanks. Hey, guys. Good morning. Mike, that was actually a good segue into my question. But if we think about the guidance for 26% and I think at the midpoint implies about $0.70 of earnings improvement, call it. Based on my math, the improvement in motor home margins is all of that and then some. So I guess my first question there is how much visibility or line of sight do you have into those cost improvements for this year?

Bryan Hughes

Management

Yeah. Sure. You know, I made some of the comments, Joe, in the script as it relates to the Winnebago Motorhome business in particular. A lot of the cost actions have already been taken in Q4 as it relates to some of our cost structure, both in cost of goods and in our SG and A. And then it is, likewise, related to product. As I mentioned. And having a product line and as well as a finished goods position that doesn't require the same level of incentives that were required here in February. So those are the two biggest areas of improvement that we're expecting. Some of which, as I mentioned, have already been executed. So we've got good visibility into it. We'll be tracking it very closely. Most importantly, I think, Joe, we've got the right team in place there, the right leadership. They're highly engaged. We sense a great improvement in culture and motivation of the team. And so we think we got the right team in place to execute.

Joe Altobello

Analyst · Raymond James.

Got it. Very helpful. Is there a price involved here too, particularly with tariffs?

Bryan Hughes

Management

Pricing is some of the story. But that really is an offset to the increased cost as you referenced as it pertains to tariffs. So I wouldn't call that out as a margin improvement in terms of pricing through tariffs. I think it's more the better-positioned product lineup and the reduction in the incentives that are required.

Joe Altobello

Analyst · Raymond James.

Got it. Got it. And maybe one quick one for Mike, if I could. I mean, if we think about sort of a big picture view of the industry, you know, the assumption of mid-cycle I think, on the RV side has always been around, you know, call it 425,000 to 450,000 units. You know, given where we've been the last three or four years, do you still think that's a good mid-cycle estimate?

Michael Happe

Management

Joe, we're working on that model as we speak, and it's likely here in the relatively near future that we'll find an opportunity to share an updated mid-cycle model for Winnebago Industries with you. Specific to your question, I think you'll see in our next version of that mid-cycle model that we believe that the RV mid-cycle volume estimates specifically will be lower than what we offered last. It will probably be somewhere in that 400,000 to 425,000 range. We may choose to be even more specific when we release that. And that's just a byproduct, I think, of the reality that this trough in this particular down cycle has lasted longer than most of us have experienced in our careers in this industry. But also, we believe the next peak may be a little lower than what we had been previously modeling. I do want to say this, though. The Winnebago Industries portfolio in its entirety has really not seen a mid-cycle environment yet. The acquisition of Newmar in 2019, the acquisition of Barletta in 2021, and then the acquisition of Lithionics in 2023, plus new strategies and Grand Design Motorized and now, even Winnebago Towables as an example being renovated. We believe we have a portfolio that really hasn't seen its full potential realized in a mid-cycle environment. And we hope that day comes someday. We can't predict the exact year when that will happen, but we're really excited about getting some tailwinds from a market stability standpoint because we believe these five OEM brands and then our Lithionics business from a strategic technology vertical can really start to show some significant performance upside in the future. But stay tuned, Joe. We'll come back to you all shortly with an update on that topic.

Joe Altobello

Analyst · Raymond James.

Sounds good. Thank you.

Bryan Hughes

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Bret Jordan with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Patrick Buckley

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning, guys. This is Patrick Buckley on for Bret. Thanks for taking our questions. Could you talk a bit more about any takeaways from the RV open house? Anything notable as far as recent retail demand or year-over-year sales trends? And I guess how did that general sentiment from the open house factor into the 2026 outlook?

Michael Happe

Management

Patrick, good morning. Thanks for being with us. We thought the September open house in Elkhart was a good event as it normally is. Attendance from the dealer community was very strong. I thought the engagement from the OEM and supply side was also fantastic. You know, we have to answer that question in almost brand by brand and given the state of our different businesses. But we were really pleased with dealer engagement on each of our three RV brands. It's not a huge order writing show for our Newmar business. Just the rhythm of how we take orders in that business and work with the dealers, you know, that's a show at Newmar that is more about showing some of the latest products, some of the beds or in the cab on some of the super c's were exciting there, but not a huge order writing show. However, on the Grand Design and Winnebago brands, it is a meaningful order writing show, and we were pleased with the orders that we took on both Grand Design and Winnebago. And as I've already mentioned this morning on the call, Winnebago Towables was a record-setting order-taking event at Open House. And, obviously, Grand Design Motorized being a new business still going into its second full year, you know, we saw good activity and reception there. So Grand Design Towables continues to be a large business for us, our largest single revenue stream. We were pleased with the reception to especially the travel trailer segment there, the work we've done at Imagine and Transcend. The unveiling of the foundation destination trailer, and then as Brian just recently mentioned, our Winnebago Motorhome team really has a lot of cultural momentum right now. We unveiled our Sun Flyer affordable Class C product in Elkhart that month to very strong reviews, took a number of good orders on that. And really just more importantly, validated with the dealers around the Motorhome brand that we're coming, that this business is headed in a stronger direction and that now is the time for many of them to get on board and support that business. So all in all, a really good show. Recent retail trends have been very similar to what you guys have public access to Visa SSI. We're seven or eight weeks into our fiscal year already, so we've got a decent amount of retail underneath us for Q1. Retail trends are similar to what you've seen in the July, August months. Some weeks are good. And some weeks are a little weaker. And collectively, I wouldn't say that there's been a significant change in retail momentum, you know, up or down in the first month and a half of our fiscal 2026 year. So it again, it goes back to the theme of we're assuming the market will be flat, and we believe we have the strategies in place to have a good fiscal 2026 year as we showed today with our guidance.

Patrick Buckley

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Got it. That's helpful. Thank you. And then just following up on the tariff questions, are you expecting any specific or maybe incremental chassis impact from the most recent tariffs on medium truck? Medium duty trucks?

Michael Happe

Management

We are not at this point. The whole tariff subject for us has many puts and takes. And as you all know, there'll be some pretty significant decisions made here in the future, both in terms of any additional tariffs that the administration places on China if they do so. And, also, obviously, the entire subject of tariffs and the justification for tariffs is before the Supreme Court. So that whole topic continues to be very dynamic. You know, every day, there seems to be a new wrinkle or curveball. And our teams continue to do both, both at the centralized sourcing level at the enterprise, but also within the businesses at a procurement level. We continue to be able to mitigate a good majority of those tariff costs before we have to face a decision as to whether to price or not. So you know, again, we're never comfortable with tariffs, but unfortunately, we've gotten better at managing it. And we just have to do that every day now as part of our business model.

Patrick Buckley

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Got it. That's all for us. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Scholes with Truist Securities. Your line is open.

Patrick Scholes

Analyst · Truist Securities. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning, Thank you. Any color on ASP expectations for the upcoming year by segment category that you might be able to provide? Thank you.

Bryan Hughes

Management

Yeah. I'll take that one. Mike. Generally speaking, we'll have some favorability in the motor home business just from a perspective of declining incentives that are required to move that product. I mentioned that earlier. For the most part, that's the story in motorized. In towables, I think we'll have a couple of different stories. I think we'll have pricing that will be a natural lift to ASPs in the coming year. That will be offset in many respects by continued mix shift towards affordability-minded consumers. And then on the marine side, we expect again, some negative mix. We've got growth that's occurring at the lower end of Barletta's offering. And then we also have within the Chris Craft business the Sportster, which is showing high receptivity, and that drives an unfavorable mix. Those being offset by some modest pricing activity. So not as much volatility downward, I'd say, as what we've experienced in the past call it, eighteen months. More stability still some negative mix impacts offset by some pricing.

Patrick Scholes

Analyst · Truist Securities. Your line is open.

You're welcome. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Noah Zaskin with KeyBanc.

Noah Zaskin

Analyst · KeyBanc.

I guess most of my questions have been kind of asked and answered, but maybe just one on warranty expense. Any way we should be thinking about warranty expenses in FY '26 relative to '25? And just anything to be aware of there.

Michael Happe

Management

Brian, I'll have you comment on maybe the direction that you're willing to share there. Noah, thanks for the question. I want to reiterate that the warranty expense that is shared at times includes both real warranty expense that are often driven by quality issues that we can continue to address and do a better job of. But it also includes significant goodwill and other ways of us taking care of the customer. I'll give you an example. Our Barletta pontoon business, Barletta makes I believe, potentially some of the highest quality pontoons in the entire industry. Yet we continue to run our warranty spending there at a level that incorporates a significant amount of customer goodwill. To provide support coverage to our dealers and our consumers. At a level higher than anybody else in the industry. There's no other pontoon manufacturer that I'm aware of that has a significant holiday consumer hotline on Fourth of July or Memorial Day or Labor Day when consumers are out on the water and something goes wrong. And we're there to support them and cover them. So warranty for us is not just a barometer of the cost of quality. But it's also an investment at times in how we take care of our customers. But Brian, any thoughts on Noah's question in terms of the trend line on that particular item?

Bryan Hughes

Management

Yeah. We've cited improved warranty from a year over year in the motor home segment. And then slightly elevated warranty experience in the towable segment and marine segment. We don't see any significant changes or drivers to changing of warranty experience in 2026. I'm expecting, call it, consistent types of rates but no major drivers to OI yield in 2026 as we sit here today.

Noah Zaskin

Analyst · KeyBanc.

Very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of the call. I would now like to turn the call back over to Raymond for closing remarks.

Raymond Posadas

Management

Thank you, Towanda. This is the end of our fourth quarter earnings call. Thank you to everyone for joining us. We look forward to further updating you on future calls. Enjoy the rest of your day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.