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Workhorse Group Inc. (WKHS)

Q2 2021 Earnings Call· Mon, Aug 9, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, greetings, and welcome to Workhorse Group's Second Quarter 2021 Investor Conference Call. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Workforce Group's Vice President of Finance, Tony Furey. Sir, you may begin.

Tony Furey

Management

Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you taking the time to join us for our call. Before the market opened, we issued a press release with our results for the second quarter ended June 30, 2021, a copy of which is in the Investor Relations section of our website. We also released our Form 10-Q this morning. I'm going to turn the call over to our CEO, Rick Dauch, in a few moments, and Rick will give you an update on our business. After that, our CFO, Steve Schrader, will walk us through the financial results for the quarter. But before we begin, I want to call to your attention our safe harbor provision for forward-looking statements that is posted on our website and is part of our quarterly update. The safe harbor provision identifies risk factors that may also -- that may cause actual results to differ materially from the content of our forward-looking statements. Our 2020 Form 10-K and other periodic filings on file with the SEC provide further detail about the risk factors related to our business. And with that, I would like to turn the call over to our CEO, Rick Dauch. Rick?

Rick Dauch

Management

Thanks, Tony, and thank you to all who are joining us for today's call. Let me start off by thanking our Board of Directors for giving me the opportunity to lead the Workhorse team as we take the next step in our journey from tech start-up to a real-world operating company. I'd also like to thank my predecessor, Duane Hughes, for his leadership of the company over the past two-plus years and his outstanding support of me during our transition process. As most of you know, while I'm new to Workhorse, I am not new to the automotive industry, EV technology for the last-mile commercial vehicle delivery space. My first day here at Workhorse was August 2. And as you can see on Slide 1, it has been a very busy week. In the past seven days, we have conducted Board meetings, held three town hall events with our workforce, two at our Union City factory; taking test drives in two of our delivery vehicles that are just like the one you can see on Slide 2; I've witnessed drone package delivery test fleets; I've interviewed the entire executive leadership team; held introductory calls with our key customers and laid out a plan for me to get fully oriented to the company by the fourth quarter of this year. I have also secured housing and moved to downtown Cincinnati. What I have seen, heard and experienced in the last week confirms exactly why I decided to get off the bench and join the Workhorse team. With that said, please turn your attention to Slide 3. As you can see, we are the clear technology leaders in the Class 3 to 5 last-mile delivery segment, both for electrified vehicles and drones. Our backlog is real and stands today at nearly 8,000…

Steve Schrader

Management

Thanks, Rick, and welcome aboard. Sales for the second quarter of 2021 were recorded at $1.2 million compared with $92,000 in the second quarter of 2020. The increase in sales was primarily related to an increase in trucks delivery. There was a total of 14 trucks delivered in this quarter compared to 1 in the same period last year. Cost of goods sold increased to $14.8 million in the second quarter of 2021 compared to $1.5 million in the second quarter of 2020. The increase in cost of goods sold was primarily related to an increase in the volume of trucks shipped, a write-down of work in progress and finished goods inventory to market value and an increase in employee, consulting, manufacturing overhead and freight costs. Selling, general and administrative expenses increased to $7 million from $3.9 million in the same period last year. The increase was attributable to an increase in employee, consulting, legal and marketing expenses. Research and development expenses increased to $2.1 million from $1.6 million in the same period last year. The increase in R&D expenses was due to employee and contract labor issues. Other loss increased to $11.7 million from no loss in the second quarter of 2020. The other loss was primarily related to the reduction in the value of the fair market value of the investment in RIDE, the SPAC owner of Lordstown Motor Corporation. This loss is noncash and is determined by the stock price of RIDE as of June 30, 2021, which is $11.06 versus a price of $11.77 as of March 31, 2021. There is no change in value during the same period in 2020. Net interest expense decreased to $10.5 million in the second quarter compared to $124.3 million from the same period last year. The decrease in interest expense was primarily related to the noncash mark-to-market adjustments related to the convertible debt instruments and warrants in effect during these periods. Net loss in Q2 of 2021 was $43.6 million compared with a net loss of $131.3 million in the second quarter of 2020. Excluding the noncash adjustments, operating loss for this quarter was $22.7 million compared to $7 million in the same period last year. As of June 30, we had approximately $156.6 million in cash on our balance sheet. However, we have since sold 72% of our RIDE ownership shares and are expecting net proceeds of nearly $79 million. That concludes my financial overview. I'll now turn the call back over to conclude the call. Rick?

Rick Dauch

Management

Thanks, Steve. I'm excited to be here at Workhorse. We are the technology leaders and have a great opportunity to build a profitable company over the next 24 to 36 months. Being a technology pioneer is not an easy path. We readily admit that we have numerous challenges to overcome, but I am confident that we have the team, the product technology and we'll soon have an operating plan and commercial plan that we can execute to be successful. Let's go to work. So operator, please provide the appropriate instructions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We’ll now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Our first question comes from Colin Rusch with Oppenheimer. Please proceed with your question.

Colin Rusch

Analyst

Thanks so much, guys. Could you give us a better sense of what you're going to be working on with this redesign and what the cycle time is going to be on completing those designs and getting into production. I would really love to understand any technical elements that you guys are working on.

Rick Dauch

Management

Yes, Colin. I've only been here a week, but I've done a lot of diligence before I got here. And obviously, I've spent time with the team, both at the factory in Union City and with the engineering team. We have set up the week of August 16, we're going to go through full vehicle design reviews, down to the bill of materials, with both our engineering team and our purchasing team. It seems to me at a high level right now we have 0 issues with our electronic and electric powertrain systems. Our vehicles in the field and the vehicles we built are meeting the 100-mile range that's required for about 96% of the vehicles in the commercial vehicle space. We have the ability to flex up to 150 miles if we add two more battery packs on there. Majority of our issue is around vehicle dynamics, around chassis systems, those kind of things, payload, okay? I won't go on those details today, I'd ask for your patience, give me 90 days and we'll come back with a detailed plan. The good news, at least from an outsider looking in, and now a week of being an insider, is those vehicle dynamic issues are all solvable. We got to get the right engineers working on the right issues and then get the right suppliers there to help us, okay? And I would say this team has done a great job putting together those designs, we need to do a better job of involving our supplier partners who are the experts in some of the subsystems. And if we do that correctly, I think we can be out to market with a damn good vehicle soon.

Colin Rusch

Analyst

That’s super helpful. And then just as you roll these trucks out into the field and monitor them, in terms of the learning cycles, what are you seeing kind of early days in terms of your ability to integrate those learnings quickly into the operating system and how the vehicles actually perform out in the field?

Rick Dauch

Management

Yes. One of the things I was excited about as part of my diligence and now that I've been here is this Metron system we have can track real-time where our vehicles are operating anywhere in the country. And we get an update every 10 seconds on about 500 different data points. So now I don't – I haven’t spent time digging through that, that's one of the things I want to do in the next 30 days with the engineering team, the sales team and figure out, okay, what is the data telling us and how do we take that data and bring them back to the design team and get a better vehicle out there.

Colin Rusch

Analyst

Okay. Thanks so much, guys.

Rick Dauch

Management

Thanks, Colin.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Greg Lewis with BTIG. Please proceed with your question.

Greg Lewis

Analyst · BTIG. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Thank you and good morning, everybody. Rick, realizing that this announcement on the redesign and the payload just, I guess, happened, I guess I'm curious, was this something that was being discussed before you came on Board? And as we think about that, I mean, I imagine it was clearly customer-driven. Does that -- is that leading to any shifts into, as we think about the existing backlog primarily being for the C650 and the C1000 as is, does that kind of morph into maybe we call it a C1000 -- C10000 plus?

Rick Dauch

Management

Great question. Some of these issues I found out about as part of my diligence. My diligence basically was meeting with some of the Board members. I actually sat down with Duane for a two- or three-hour meeting before I took the job. So these things are the issues that our team knew about long before I got here. Here's what I'd say. I've got to dig through all the different type of vehicles we have right now, whether it's the 650, the M-Series or 1000 series. We're going to take a look at what we have in store here from a raw material standpoint, what we can build efficiently up at Union City and then talk to our customers of where if we build vehicles they can take them and deploy them in the field. I had a tremendous call on Saturday with one of our largest customers. He applauded us in slowing down our production. He much preferred us to get the vehicle right. That being said, he'd be happy to take some of these lower payload vehicles and get them out in the field for certain applications that whether it's a maintenance tools or bread delivery or donuts, whatever it's going to be, and get the vehicles out there, so customers get a feel for what its like to drive an EV. In the last three years, between Delphi and here, I always go to these town halls meets, I ask the people in the crowd, how many of you have an electric vehicle? Less than 5% of the people have it. It's even less out in the commercial vehicle space. But once people get an electric vehicle and they feel the power of it and how quiet it is, they like it. On Wednesday last week at Union City, I got to go from about a 15-, 20-mile test drive in one of our vehicles, one of the C1000s, and I was damm impressed, right? I was strapped in with the seatbelt. We're going through corn fields and soybean fields and some of that, and I was really impressed how the vehicle handled, how it took over some of the bumps, the railroad tracks, et cetera. So we got to get some of those vehicles in the hands of customers. And when they see it, they can bring that vehicle back to station and charge it overnight. It's going to be a good solution. It's going to revolutionize the delivery market.

Greg Lewis

Analyst · BTIG. Please proceed with your question.

Okay, great. Thank you for that. And then, Steve, just pivoting over to you, realizing that it sounds like we probably don't have much color until next week when you go through the vehicle redesign, but do you kind of have any color kind of how we should be thinking about the cash run rate on a quarterly basis? I guess let's just think about the next maybe Q4 rate.

Steve Schrader

Management

Greg, sure. So right now, I think you saw we had $156 million of cash on the balance sheet on June 30. We've monetized 72% of the RIDE ownership, and that gives us almost another $80 million of cash and some more to come on that. So I think we're pretty good from a cash standpoint. I would look at it as maybe $10 million a month, $30 million a quarter is kind of the cash burn. So I think we've got a pretty good runway in front of us.

Greg Lewis

Analyst · BTIG. Please proceed with your question.

Okay, great. Thank you for the time, everybody.

Rick Dauch

Management

Thanks, Greg.

Steve Schrader

Management

Thanks, Greg.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jeff Osborne with Cowen & Company. Please proceed with your question.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good morning, everybody. A couple of questions on my end. One, Rick, I was curious on your views on automation and throughput, recognizing that you're experiencing, you're going through this redesign process. But just in general, the level of automation in Union City, is that something that you would want to step up as part of the redesign effort or not necessarily?

Rick Dauch

Management

Too early to tell, Jeff, I'd say. My experience at a previous company where I was on the Board, automation wasn't a big issue for us. Typically, I like to use automation where there's two or three areas. One, there's a safety issue involved, especially with heavy parts or there's redundancy. But the build rates on these vehicles aren't 100 an hour or 16-hour like you're in the typical automotive side of the house, right? But we'll look at opportunities as we look for that. And I'd say what we're doing right now, we're only building about two or three a day, up to five a day. I think we know our target down in the future will be much higher than that, and we probably have some time to lay out the factory. I was impressed by the factory, not its outward appearance, it needs a little bit of spruce up, and we'll take care of that. But inside, we have a lot of capacity in terms of layouts for stations. We can have two assembly lines. We can probably have a two-assembly line process. Right now, it's a one-shift operation. As sales grows, we can always grow to two shifts. And so we'll bring some more details on that to you in the fourth quarter and probably update that every quarter going forward as the market develops.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen & Company. Please proceed with your question.

That’s great. And my follow-up question is just around internal sourcing or internal development, vertical integration around battery packs and other things. Is that something that you intend to do? And can you just touch on batteries in general, some of your [Audio Dip] batteries.

Rick Dauch

Management

Yes, too early to tell. I know we have a partnership with CATL, I think, C-A-T-L, out of China, and we have EnerDels. We have 2 types of batteries. I've seen them on the floor, where we charge them and keep them warm and that kind of stuff. We're going to go back and look at what I call make-versus-buy decisions. What can we do in-house most cost effectively, what should stay out at suppliers, how we manage our inventory? As you guys know, if you know me, I'm a big believer in the Toyota production system. We've won multiple awards at my plants before, and we'll use that same system here at this company when it's applicable.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Craig Irwin with ROTH Capital Partners. Please proceed with your question.

Craig Irwin

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please proceed with your question.

Rick, so I wanted to ask if you could frame out for us your experience in federal procurement. And if you could maybe follow through on that with how your experience is relevant to maybe serving a customer like the post office. And if there's anything philosophically that you might do different than the team did over the last couple of years looking to serve that customer. And do you sort of endorse the strategy the way you see it at this point?

Rick Dauch

Management

You asked about the federal procurement experience? Is that what you said?

Craig Irwin

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please proceed with your question.

Federal procurement, post office and the move to litigate and work on a regulatory solution rather than the traditional channel.

Rick Dauch

Management

Yes. We're not going to make any comments today about the USPS lawsuit, let me just make that comment. I have had limited experience. We did some work when I was at a Accuride working with the Department of Defense on some advanced technology. There's a combination, so you have to understand the right channel and the sourcing process and specification process. Two, you got to work through the different budget cycles of the federal government which happens every year and all the dynamics that go around there between Democrats and Republicans. So let me take a look at that a little bit of the team. At the end of the day, this administration has talked about upgrading our infrastructure, you can read that in the paper, there's a move towards electrification. What I do -- what I've seen, both in Europe at Delphi and here in North America, there is a huge move driven by the government. China, 25% of vehicles will be electrified. Every one of the major cities in Europe is driving towards electrification. So how are you going to service all the pubs in downtown London or Paris and those kind of places if you can't bring combustion engine there? So there's going to be a market there for us. And here in North America, obviously, California and car bleeds. So we got to make sure we get -- we understand all those policies first here in North America and make sure we're ready to go. So to answer the question, I got a lot of work to do here on this company here. I've got to understand what happened on the USPS, I read everything, I talked to the Board of members about that and we'll make some decisions here in the next quarter.

Craig Irwin

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners. Please proceed with your question.

So for my follow-up is really just a clarification. So the payload issues you're moving proactively to solve on your trucks. Can you clarify for us, does this impact all of the vehicles in the lineup, the C450, the C800 and C1000? Or is there a possibility or maybe a more aggressive move on the C450 side given the payload differences of last-mile delivery versus the people that need 1,000 cubic foot of capacity?

Rick Dauch

Management

Yes, Craig, let me dig into more of the details. Like I said, I've been only here a week, give me a little bit. I think, primarily, it's around the C1000. It's something we can work on. It's -- I'm not going to go in too many details right now. How is that? But I will give you more details by the time we come out in November with our revised plan.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Chris Souther with B. Riley. Please proceed with your question.

Chris Souther

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed with your question.

Maybe just, I wanted to kind of clarify, is the design changes, is that something you expect to have completed by the time you provide the updated timeline here and the road map on the next earnings call here?

Rick Dauch

Management

Yes. I'll know a lot more, basically, Chris, after I do the design reviews with the team on the 16, 17, 18, and I'm sure that will lead to a whole bunch of more questions. I can't commit to have all the design plans specifically buttoned down by the November, but we'll have a general direction where we want to do. And that will drive in terms of design finalization, that will drive the sourcing with customers when they have their parts fully validated and sourced. And then we got to time that, too, when we want to really launch production in a big way in 2022. So we'll give you the best we can by November, but I won't commit to have it 100% done then.

Chris Souther

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed with your question.

And then of the 8,000 purchase orders, how many do you think are good with the current specs and would move forward in interim production versus kind of waiting? It sounded like one of the big customers was fine waiting for the most part and taking kind of small volumes. Just kind of curious, the mix of customers that have already ordered that are okay with the current specs here.

Rick Dauch

Management

Yes. I don't know the details of the 8,000. The good news for this is one of those customers I talked to last week was ready to drop another 1,500 to 2,000 unit order, and I said, hold off for now, right? Let's get the designs right. Let's get our production right, then we'll come back and tell you when we're ready to actually make those orders, okay? So I don't know yet right now.

Chris Souther

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Inventory write-down? Is there a big component we're talking about there?

Rick Dauch

Management

Say that again?

Chris Souther

Analyst · B. Riley. Please proceed with your question.

The inventory write-down during the quarter?

Steve Schrader

Management

Yes. So this is Steve, Chris. So the inventory write-down in the quarter is that we had many trucks that were either in work in progress or finished goods and the accounting standards require you to write that down to basically cost or market. So obviously, and I mentioned this in the past, that during this year, we're going to have gross margins that are going to be significantly negative. And so basically, that's what it was, is you're writing it down from the cost to actually the market. And so in essence, we're pulling kind of the gross margins negative up to the second quarter here versus kind of when they're sold, if that makes sense. Timing more than anything.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mike Shlisky with D.A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

Just a little confused. So I was just little bit confused guys. So you've got 8,000 orders here. So 8,000 folks, in the case of Pritchard or Pride Group, 8,000 orders worth of people have seen the truck, they've seen the spec sheet that you gave them before, they've test driven the truck and they said, Yes, I want to drive that. In the case of Pritchard and Pride, I can definitely sell that as you put it to me. And now you're saying that, that's not the case, but they signed binding orders to take these vehicles. And I'm a little confused as to how -- as to kind of what has changed since they actually signed their binding orders that they're not going to get their orders and actually they're going to get an entirely different product. Have any of the competitors out there put out a much higher payload vehicle within the same class as for past week having a great payload, if not one of the best ones out there today. So what's changed that have really caused you to make this design switch here?

Rick Dauch

Management

Yes, Mike, good question. So that's one of the things I'm going to clarify with the team, with the customers. Like I've had introductory calls with Pride and Pritchard, a couple of others this week, talked to Chris, our Head of Sales and on to the factory. I need to understand that mix, okay? We'll see, okay? At the end of the day, the vehicle that we have designed doesn't quite meet the specs we want to get from a payload. It's a little heavy versus what we can carry, okay? So we got to figure out just how big the market is for a lower payload right now and how fast we can then tweak our designs and improve our vehicle dynamics to meet the higher payload requirements, right? And so this is like -- you said, who else is out there? I don't know anybody else's out there, all right, with a fully electric powered vehicle. This is a space that has been typically a duopoly between the Shift Group and the Morgan Olson Group. And we're the first ones coming to market with electric powered vehicle. As I said earlier, we have the powertrain down. Now we have to get the vehicle dynamics and the payloads down. That I'm much happy to get that fixed. Those things can be fixed with good supplier coordination and good designs, okay? We'll come back to you when we come back in November, just what we can build and go forward. So Steve, any comments?

Steve Schrader

Management

Yes. Mike, what I might add to is a couple of things. I think we admitted that we didn't hit the design goal, so we -- that we wanted to hit from a payload standpoint. But I think at the same time the market probably changed a little bit, too. And the pandemic, I think not only were they getting more packages, heavier packages and more than anticipated. So I think, yes, we didn't hit our design goal, but at the same time, the market is carrying a lot more than they anticipated just a year ago, too. So I think it's part of it right there.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

For my follow-up, I wanted to ask about orders. Can you maybe outline how many orders we have gotten during this past quarter and whether if the process of having to redesign for a higher payload, do you anticipate not having many until you get that designed, retested, rehomologated, et cetera? Are we going to be in a products for a quarter or 2 at the very least?

Rick Dauch

Management

Yes. Let's take a look -- I'm going to take a look at the 8,000 back order, what we can serve in the next 2 quarters or 3 quarters and build up at Union City, which ones we need to delay until we have the right designs going forward. As I said, over the weekend, when I had a phone call, one of the customers was ready to drop a 1,500- to 2,000-unit order. And I just told them, hold off, please. Let me figure out what we can build, what the materials we have to build with, can our people handle it and can we build a good truck, okay? So we got some work to do for sure in the next 90 days. Please give me 3 months to get that under control. How is that? Please, not a good idea until I understand it. I don't know exactly how many orders came in, in the second quarter, but I know there's a -- the market is there and the demand is growing. So it's really a race to get the right vehicle that meets the customer specs, powertrain, as I said. 96% of the vehicles who on the last mile delivery for Class 3, 4, 5 only travel less than 100 miles a day. The more they go out to 120, 150, we can handle that powertrain. I'm sure we have to do a little bit of tweaking in cold weather environments when it's super cold up in Canada or Northeast and that kind of stuff. I don't know enough about the technology, but we'll get there. I'm confident about that.

Operator

Operator

At this time, this concludes the company's question-and-answer session. If your question was not taken, you may contact Workhorse's Investor Relations team at wkhs@gatewayir.com. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Dauch for closing comments.

Rick Dauch

Management

Thanks for joining us on today's call. I especially want to thank our employees, our business partners and our investors for their continued support of Workhorse. We appreciate your interest in Workhorse, and I look forward to updating you on our next call. Operator, that ends our call. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for joining us today for Workhorse Group's second quarter 2021 earnings conference call. You may now disconnect.