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Waste Management, Inc. (WM)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 18, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Karnethia and I will be you conference operator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to the Fourth Quarter 2015 Earnings Release Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call over to Ed Egl, Director of Investor Relations. Thank you. Mr. Egl, you may begin your conference.

Ed Egl - Director-Investor Relations

Management

Thank you, Karnethia. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter 2015 earnings conference call. With me this morning are David Steiner, President and Chief Executive Officer; Jim Fish, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Jim Trevathan, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer. Before we get started, please note that we have filed a Form 8-K this morning that includes the earnings press release and is available at our website at www.wm.com. Form 8-K, the press release and the schedules to the press release include important information. During the call, you will hear forward-looking statements which are based on current expectations, projections or opinions about future periods. Such statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Some of these risks and uncertainties are discussed in today's press release and our filings with the SEC, including our most recent Form 10-K. David and Jim will discuss our results in the areas of yield and volume, which unless otherwise stated, are more specifically references to internal revenue growth or IRG from yield or volume. During the call, David and Jim will also discuss our earnings per diluted share, which they may refer to as EPS or earnings per share, and David and Jim will also address operating EBITDA and operating EBITDA margin as defined in the earnings press release. Any comparison, unless otherwise stated, will be with the fourth quarter of 2014. The fourth quarter and full year 2015 and 2014 results have been adjusted to enhance comparability, by excluding certain items that management believes do not reflect our fundamental business performance or results of operations and by excluding amount attributed to businesses and assets divested in 2014. These adjusted measures in addition to free cash flow…

Operator

Operator

Your first question is from Scott Levine with Imperial Capital.

Scott Justin Levine - Imperial Capital LLC

Analyst · Imperial Capital

Good morning, guys. James E. Trevathan - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: Good morning, Scott. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Hi, Scott.

Scott Justin Levine - Imperial Capital LLC

Analyst · Imperial Capital

So, it seems like steady-as-she-goes in terms of the organic growth trends, that the pricing environment is pretty healthy, that the volume environment is generally improving, and is expected to improve albeit gradually with volumes inflecting positive by the end of this year. But anything surprising, either to the positive or the negative on the macro or the industry front either geographically or relative to your expectations – or really, are things just kind of continuing to improve at a gradual pace, and there is no real change in the operating environment in general? David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Scott, when I look at the business, you can sort of say, I think your right, the growth is fairly muted from the economy. But you can pretty much say, the business is firing on all cylinders save two areas, and that's recycling and energy services. And I think we all know what the macroenvironments are for that. I mean, it's low commodity prices, not just oil but cardboard and plastics. So, I think you hit the nail in the head. It's steady-as-she-goes. We continue to see the other lines of business doing very well and we don't expect that to end in 2016. James E. Trevathan - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: Scott, I would say that the only thing that was surprising was kind of a positive, we weren't surprised obviously by the headwinds with recycling or energy services. But we were pleasantly surprised, when you look at the construction business, I mentioned we were up over 15% in C&D waste stream. And that really, to us, is kind of a foreshadowing of good things there in 2016.

Scott Justin Levine - Imperial Capital LLC

Analyst · Imperial Capital

Understood. And then, it sounds like you're baking in an expectation here of $50 million to $75 million EBITDA. You've been talking about this for a while. Could you tell us how – how much of this have you closed on with the SWS acquisition? How much remains to be closed? And maybe a little bit more commentary regarding the M&A landscape in general and whether we may see some upside to your $100 million or $200 million spend or valuations in the marketplace, a little bit more color there. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. I would say 80% to 90% of it is locked in with SWS. I mean, that's going to be the big acquisition that we do in 2016. When I look at acquisitions, we've done RCI in Montreal. We did Deffenbaugh in Kansas City. And now, we've done SWS in South Florida. And those were spectacular acquisitions for us because they're a fairly large amount of revenue but they're also straight tuck-ins into our business. And so, we know exactly how to do them. We know exactly how to get the dollars out. It takes a little bit of time but we know exactly how to do them. So the more of those that we can do, the better. We thought there might be a few more of those in the pipeline but those, call them, those $400 million to $500 million transactions, we really don't see a lot of those on the near horizon right now. So, I think 2016 will be a year where it's mostly driven by tuck-in acquisitions. But again, we'd love to do some larger acquisitions like those three that we did in Montreal, Kansas City and South Florida. Pricing, I don't think it's changed dramatically. We've said it many times, we generally pay a little bit lower price for those smaller tuck-ins and it's because you can pay a little bit higher price when you get that bigger bulk of business like we did down at SWS although even with SWS, on a post-synergy basis, we'll end up paying sort of 6 to 7 times EBITDA.

Scott Justin Levine - Imperial Capital LLC

Analyst · Imperial Capital

Got it. And as a follow-on to that, assuming – is there any change in your interest level in energy and industrial and – or if we get a floor in commodity prices on the energy side, could we see your interest pick up as 2016 plays out or you're still focused predominantly on solid waste? David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. We're focused predominantly on solid waste and I think we've said it the last two conference calls which is, look, long-term I think energy services will be a great business. But we're not out there looking for businesses. I think it's going to be a prolonged, flattening of oil prices. And so – and energy services, if we buy something in energy services, it would be opportunistic. We're not actively out searching for businesses in that line of business.

Scott Justin Levine - Imperial Capital LLC

Analyst · Imperial Capital

Got it. Thanks, David. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from Corey Greendale with First Analysis.

Corey Greendale - First Analysis Securities Corp.

Analyst · First Analysis

Hey. Good morning, everyone. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Corey. James E. Trevathan - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: Hi, Corey.

Corey Greendale - First Analysis Securities Corp.

Analyst · First Analysis

So, two questions. First, Jim, I was hoping – Jim Fish, I was hoping you could help bridge the cash flow from ops guidance from 2015 and 2016. I calculate your guiding to a $300 million to $400 million increase EBITDA, your guiding to $160 million, so just what's accounting for the rest of the increase? James C. Fish - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Yeah, so when we look at cash flow from ops or if I look at free cash flow because I want to include in there, CapEx, if I talk about free cash flow – and if that doesn't answer your question, let me know, but if I talk about free cash flow for 2016, I have a starting point of let's call it $1.41 billion from this year. And then I'm adding in EBITDA growth. You mentioned $160 million, we're kind of calling it $170 million in EBITDA growth year-over-year which includes – that includes organic growth, that includes some of the benefit of acquisitions. I add in the impact of bonus depreciation which I mentioned was let's call it $70 million. And then our CapEx is going to be a bit higher this year. I mentioned the $1.3 billion to $1.4 billion range, so back out $100 million in added CapEx, I arrive in the middle of that range of $1.5 billion to $1.6 billion. And keep in mind there, Corey, that the prepayments that we made in cash taxes is really offset by the benefit we got from the Q1 2015 debt transaction. So, those two kind of offset each other so that walk-forward works without a cash tax, the cash tax difference.

Corey Greendale - First Analysis Securities Corp.

Analyst · First Analysis

That did it for my question. Thank you. And one clarification. I think you've said this, but the EBITDA that you're expecting to get from acquisitions, the number that you gave, is that only from Southern and new acquisitions? So, in other words, you're not including rollover effect of acquisitions in 2015? David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah, there's a small rollover effect from 2015 but the bulk of it would be the SWS and the tuck-ins we do in 2016.

Corey Greendale - First Analysis Securities Corp.

Analyst · First Analysis

Okay. Then next question, you addressed the environment in general when you were answering Scott's questions. But given that we have a lower – a low CPI environment, you're committed to continuing, like you said, pricing is not a temporary thing, it's the culture. I guess the question is how confident are you that you won't be pushing away more volumes as the year goes on given that CPI will be quite low? David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. Well, look, we've done it the last three years consecutively. We've seen our churn rate come down while we've maintained that core price at 4% plus. And so, look, it really comes down to making sure that you service your customer. I mean, if your customer is happy, they completely understand that our costs go up every year, and you've got to get those price increases. And we've always said that it's a fairly small portion of our customers' overall cost structure. So, getting that price increase to maintain inflation plus really hasn't been difficult as long as you can maintain the service levels to the customers. And so, that's really where we're focused this year. We know how to get the 4% core price. We've got those plans, like I said, locked, loaded, and we're already executing them. So, we know we can do that. The key is having that great customer service which allows you to keep that low churn rate, also keep price rollbacks down and get that positive core price. And so, like I say, we've got it sort of clicking on all cylinders, but we can always do better.

Corey Greendale - First Analysis Securities Corp.

Analyst · First Analysis

Great. And then on the kind of competitive and acquisition front, David, I'd just love to get your thoughts on whether the proposed Connections acquisition of Progressive has any impact on those markets and also whether you might be interested in some of the potential slots that may be coming out from that? David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. Look, I think Ron did a spectacular job in picking up that business and everywhere that we compete with Waste Connections, they are a tough competitor but they are a fair competitor, and so we certainly welcome them into the markets. I don't know how to say welcome in Canadian but we welcome them into the markets. But the other thing is I would love – I'm glad you brought it up. I owe Ron a phone call to let him know that to the extent that they have to get rid of any business that we would certainly be interested in buying any pieces of those business that we can buy. So I'll make sure to give him a call today and let him know that.

Corey Greendale - First Analysis Securities Corp.

Analyst · First Analysis

Great. Let me know if you need his phone number, I can send that to you. And then just one last quick one, if you don't mind. I'm whipsawing back to Jim Fish. Given the EBITDA guidance, I'm coming out at a slightly different place on EPS. I was hoping you might be able to give us some sense of what you're assuming on interest expense and share repurchases? James C. Fish - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Interest expense will be up slightly. We finished the year at $384 million in interest – cash interest. They will be up slightly, not a lot, maybe call it $5 million and then share repurchase, look, we said that we'd probably repurchase – we've already done $150 million. We said we'll probably do another $500 million on top of that for a total of $650 million, which kind of approximates what we bought last year. We bought $600 million last year. We have authorization for $1 billion, probably won't spend the full $1 billion in 2016.

Corey Greendale - First Analysis Securities Corp.

Analyst · First Analysis

Got it. Okay. That actually moves me in the wrong – is there anything going on in the equity income or loss line, or anything else below the line that's changing meaningfully from 2015? James C. Fish - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: No. Not that I can think of. Maybe we can reconcile it for you. If I look at EPS, I mean, that's what you're concerned about, right, is EPS?

Corey Greendale - First Analysis Securities Corp.

Analyst · First Analysis

Yes. James C. Fish - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: If I look at EPS, from $2.47 to $2.61, we had divestitures that were worth $0.18, so I'm backing those out. And then, we had – and I'm reconciling 2014 to 2015 for you here. But then, we had shares and interest. We had traditional solid waste growth of $0.08. We had some unusual items. Specifically, our energy services business was $0.09. And then, when I look at moving from $2.61 up to our range of $2.75 to $2.79, I'm really adding in the kind of our traditional solid waste growth that we expect, and we talked about on the EBITDA line. So, hopefully that helps.

Corey Greendale - First Analysis Securities Corp.

Analyst · First Analysis

Yeah. That's fine. I'll let you move on. If I come up with a question that I could ask otherwise, I will follow up offline. Thanks, guys. Thanks for the time. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from Tyler Brown with Raymond James. Patrick Tyler Brown - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Hey. Good morning, guys. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Good morning. Patrick Tyler Brown - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Hey, David. Just want to dig in a little bit more on the relationship between core price and yield. So, if we go back and look over the last few quarters, including Q4, it looks like the spread between core price and average yields actually widened out. And at least from an outside perspective, it just looks like you're keeping less and less of that core price increase. Can you guys talk a little bit about that relationship and why that spread is widening out? I mean, it sounds like churn is actually trending well, and the gap between new and lost business isn't widening. So, is it mix or what's going on there? David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah, you hit the nail on the head with mix. The reason we moved to core price is because core price is really an indicator of the price increases that we put across our current customer base. To go from core price to yield, you then put in – because we do it on a per-unit basis, you then come in to a lot of things like mix. And so, the biggest thing that we think drove the disparity between the core price and yield was the fact that our energy services business was down fairly dramatically, and those are very high-priced hauls. Compared to – if you look at an energy service haul compared to an industrial container at a shopping mall, the price per haul difference is dramatic. And so,…

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from Jeff Volshteyn with JPMorgan.

Jeffrey Y. Volshteyn - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst · JPMorgan

I wanted to ask around the industrial side of the business, industrial waste space doing well. What I wanted to find out is just kind of an update on how much of your business is directly linked to the industrial economy? And when you look at the portions of the industrial (41:21) perm business, temp business, what do you see in 2016? James E. Trevathan - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: Well, it's interesting when you look at our industrial. Our industrial line of business, as we look at it, includes a couple of different business types. It includes large retailers, it includes manufacturing and industrial. It includes construction, and it includes energy services. And those really were – there was a wide spectrum there. Construction, as I mentioned earlier, really finished the year on a high note. So, we're very happy with that, and it looks like it's going to do well going forward. The large retailers were pretty solid, as was manufacturing and industrial. Looks like – industrial production figures came out today, and looks like they're decent, and that's kind of what we saw as well, pretty solid in manufacturing and industrial. The one real soft spot, and you'll hear it several times today, was energy services, and it got worse throughout the year. So, we were down 32% in our energy services business, albeit on a kind of a small base there, but down 32%, and down 45% in the fourth quarter. And looking through that kind of small lens, we don't see energy services getting much better in 2016. But overall, if you want to think about how we talk about industrial, it was – it more than compensated for the downturn in energy services. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer…

Jeffrey Y. Volshteyn - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst · JPMorgan

That's very helpful. Just following up on the commentary, I think from the last quarter. You talked about some situations with shortage of drivers in the industrial side of the business. Is that a material headwind heading into 2016? James E. Trevathan - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: No, I'll jump in, Jeff. It is a headwind, but it's a weakened headwind. We are doing much better in that regard. The oil field services decline in 2015 has helped us in that regard in those markets where that kind of business exist as drivers have become more available. It's still in some of the larger – the higher growth markets, it's an issue for us, but we're working through it much better in late 2015, and then we expect too in 2016 better than in that 2013-2014 period when the oil field service business was booming. We'll manage right through it and we'll continue to grow our business on that industrial side with new drivers. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: But look, it's a good problem to have, right? I mean, that tells you there's strong demand out there. We'll take that problem six days to Sunday rather than the alternative.

Jeffrey Y. Volshteyn - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst · JPMorgan

One more question for me, if I may. On the CapEx side of the business, looking into 2016, are there any sizable differences in sort of in the buckets of investments compared to 2015? James C. Fish - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: No, not anything sizable. We'll spend a little more on fleet capital, probably $20 million more on fleet capital. We've got about $15 million that is related to Deffenbaugh and SWS acquisition that we'll spend. And part of the reason we were a little lower than our guidance back at the end of Q3 in CapEx for 2015 was that we had some CapEx that was accrued and the cash didn't actually go out the door until Q1. So, we'll have a little bit of carryover and that's really what gets us from that $1.23 billion CapEx number from 2015, up to kind of the range of $1.3 billion to $1.4 billion. James E. Trevathan - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: Jim, maybe just a little more color around the fleet side of our business. Our supply chain folks and our field people have worked really well together. In 2015, for example, we purchased 12% more trucks than we did in 2015, but for the same total dollars as we expended in 2014. In 2015, we bought 1,124 trucks, about 11% average reduced price per truck than 2014. So, we're doing some standardization around the fleet. It's helped us in that regard and some commitments to our suppliers that helped us with that reduction. In 2016, we'll buy 1,234 trucks, according to the current plan. And it's about 10% more than 2015, but we'll only spend about 4% more in dollars than we did in 2015. So, we're making real progress there and we're investing in the fleet. But we're just doing it more efficiently.

Jeffrey Y. Volshteyn - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst · JPMorgan

That's very helpful. Last one from me, I promise. What is the impact of the one – or the leap day in the first quarter? James C. Fish - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: The impact on what? David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Leap day.

Jeffrey Y. Volshteyn - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst · JPMorgan

Leap day. One extra day. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. We actually have one extra day total in the quarter. We had one fewer in January, we have one extra in both February and March. And, theoretically, that extra workday probably costs us a little bit of money, because our cost structure is a little bit higher than the additional revenue that we'd get. But it shouldn't have a material effect on the quarter.

Jeffrey Y. Volshteyn - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst · JPMorgan

Okay. Thank you very much. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from Michael Hoffman with Stifel. Michael Hoffman - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Thank you very much, David, Jim and Jim for taking my questions. Jim Fish, on the free cash, if you were to pull out cash taxes entirely and look back over a trend, how would you characterize the growth rate of your free cash ex the variability any given year of cash taxes, what's happening operationally before the tax impact? James C. Fish - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: I guess I would focus on EBITDA for that question, Michael, because really, that's where – that's the biggest component and that's where we spend most of our time, is on EBITDA. And we saw EBITDA grow nicely last year, kind of in that 3% range, and we see it's – we see it replicating that again organically and then we'll have some EBITDA growth from these acquisitions in 2016. Michael Hoffman - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Okay. With that said, then if I looked at your expectation for the $3.6 billion in 2016, what is the underlying margin assumption in the EBIT and the EBITDA? James C. Fish - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: So, EBITDA would – you know, look, if you – there's always the question of what happens to the top line. If we don't have these kind of top line impacts that are kind of out of our control such as foreign currency and fuel surcharge, if you assume the top line doesn't have those, we'd expect to see EBITDA margins improved somewhere between 50 and 100 basis points. Michael Hoffman - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Okay. And EBIT, what about the EBIT margin? James C. Fish - Chief Financial Officer & Executive…

Operator

Operator

Next question is from Joe Box with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Sean J. Egan - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

Hey. Good morning, gentlemen. It's Sean Egan on for Joe Box. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Good morning. James E. Trevathan - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: Hi, Sean.

Sean J. Egan - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

I wanted to dig in a little bit into your pricing guidance for 2016. Looking at that 4% versus the 4.2% posted in 2015, is that sequentially lower simply due to lapping more difficult comparisons? Is it conservatism on your part? Any color there would be appreciated. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. Look, 4% has sort of have been our target for the last three to four years. And so, we want to maintain that target. We obviously overshot that target in 2015. I'm virtually certain we'll get that 4% in 2016. If we were going to not hit that target, the question is would it be lower or higher than that target. I'm also very confident that if we miss the target, we're going to miss on the high side not on the low side. James C. Fish - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: But I don't think there's anything to read into the difference between 4.2% and 4.0%.

Sean J. Egan - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

Great. Thank you. And then kind of piggybacking on that with respect to yield, outside of CPI, can you maybe help us understand what some of largest drags would be to beating that 2% top of the range? I mean, would it be the mix that you talked about earlier with the energy business? Any (57:15) there is helpful. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. The two biggest components of that would be mix, and then new business pricing versus lost business pricing. Those are two big components that go – that don't affect the price increase that you're putting on your current line of business but that does affect yield. And so that would be – it would be mix and the difference between new business pricing and lost business pricing. James E. Trevathan - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: And, David, if I added a third to that, it would be rollbacks. And we've managed those really well over the last couple of years. We're positive in 2015 versus 2014 and we expect that trend to continue.

Sean J. Egan - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

Got you. So, what you just alluded to earlier, the new business pricing, how is that holding in, say, compared to a year ago? David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. Our goal is to drive that new business pricing to 10% or under. And I would say right now, we're sort of at the high end of that. As the economy improves and as we've seen a good pricing environment, I would expect us to over time to be under that. But right now, we're sort of at the high end of that 10% discount. James E. Trevathan - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: And, Joe, if I add a little more color, the industrial line of business, the roll-off line, we're within that target with the commercial side just outside it and working hard to improve it.

Sean J. Egan - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

Okay. Great. And then I wanted to talk a bit about recycling volumes. Just curious where, if you know, the recycling volumes might be going that you have shedded in favor of price. Are customers choosing not to recycle? Are they choosing independent operators? If you have any sense of where it's going, that would be helpful. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. Most of the volume that we've lost have been large residential contracts, and that volume is turning into net losses for our competition.

Sean J. Egan - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

Okay. Understood. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: I can promise you, we know what those prices were bid at. And at these commodity prices, there is nobody making money on those contracts that we gave up. James E. Trevathan - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: Especially, Dave, with the capital required. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Exactly. James E. Trevathan - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: With a new contract, where typically that customer wants new trucks, we make that decision around return on invested capital, as well as margin. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: And, frankly, those contracts, just to be very clear, those contracts generally have not been lost to our solid waste competition. They've been lost to people that are solely in the recycling business. And if you're solely in the recycling business and you take on another underwater contract, you can see that story is not going to end very well for those folks.

Sean J. Egan - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

Understood. That's all for me. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from Al Kaschalk with Wedbush.

Al Kaschalk - Wedbush Securities, Inc.

Analyst · Wedbush

Good morning, guys. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Hi, Al. James E. Trevathan - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: Hi.

Al Kaschalk - Wedbush Securities, Inc.

Analyst · Wedbush

David, I have one simple question. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: No, you don't.

Al Kaschalk - Wedbush Securities, Inc.

Analyst · Wedbush

Why can't Waste Management post positive volumes like their peer group? David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. Look, this is an easy question to answer. Because you can't look at just a volume number. You've got to look at, what is that volume made up of, right? If that volume is made up of brokered volumes, you're not making any money on it. If that volume is made up of recycling volumes, you're not making any money on it. And so, when I look at the volumes, I don't say, look at the overall volume number, I say, look where the volumes are coming from. So for us, we've got positive volumes in the industrial line, which is a very high-margin line for us. We've got positive volumes in the landfill line, which is the highest margin business that we have. And we're about to turn the corner to get positive volumes on the commercial line. We're at negative 0.7% in the quarter. I would expect to see that turn positive during 2016. So, we're adding volume in the high margin areas. We are losing volume in recycling. We're losing volume in brokered businesses and we're losing volume in non-core. All very low margin businesses. And so, if you get positive volume and margins go backwards, I don't see that as a good volume report. If you get negative volumes and margins go up by 150 basis points, I view that as fairly positive. So, I think it's a very easy question to answer. We look for volumes where we can make money on those volumes. We don't look for volumes for the sake of volumes. And so – but, having said all that, in those money-making volumes, we're going to see the overall volume number turn positive in 2016, and that's what I look forward to. Look, this is a high fixed cost business, and layering in that volume on the high fixed cost allows you to drop a big flow-through to the bottom line. So, I think we've done the right thing. We'll continue to do the right thing. We'll continue to add volumes where we can make money.

Al Kaschalk - Wedbush Securities, Inc.

Analyst · Wedbush

Hence the progression on EBITDA margin. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. Exactly.

Al Kaschalk - Wedbush Securities, Inc.

Analyst · Wedbush

I guess (62:28). David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Exactly.

Al Kaschalk - Wedbush Securities, Inc.

Analyst · Wedbush

Right. As a follow-up – thank you for that. I guess I have a second question then. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: I told you.

Al Kaschalk - Wedbush Securities, Inc.

Analyst · Wedbush

The commentary around the industrial environment economy, and yourselves being opportunistic when you can, why would you not, or are you suggesting to keep our eyes open, on being more aggressive on that hazardous piece of your business which, I guess would be – I don't know if I'd say is as profitable, but maybe you could articulate that for us? But why wouldn't you get more aggressive on acquisitions on that front? James E. Trevathan - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: Well, I'll jump in. I mentioned earlier that we did, as we added airspace at Kettleman in California, we went out and found the right tuck-in for us to add volume. So we invested in that business in the second half of 2015, and we'll continue to look for those opportunities that can improve both our margin, but our returns, especially. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: But, look, what we need to do in our hazardous waste line of business is, we need to develop a national transfer network so that we can leverage our landfills. We would love nothing more than to be able to buy that and go very quickly to do that. But there's just not a lot of businesses out there that meet those needs and that are for sale. So, in the meantime, we're going to do it organically. And so, we're going to – we're going to grow that network one way or another. But right now, given the state of the acquisition market right now, we're going to do that organically.

Al Kaschalk - Wedbush Securities, Inc.

Analyst · Wedbush

Great. Good luck, guys, and thanks for your time. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thank you. James E. Trevathan - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: Thanks, Al.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from Charles Redding with BB&T Capital Markets. Charles Edgerton Redding - BB&T Capital Markets: Hi. Good morning, gentlemen. Thanks for taking my question. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Good morning. Charles Edgerton Redding - BB&T Capital Markets: Perhaps just a follow-up on transportation, how should we think about the impact on Northeast landfilling volume from the lower transportation costs? And then with reduced diesel, is it fair to expect collectors to bypass closer incineration units really in favor of the longer haul sites, just based on price alone? David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah, when you see the transportation costs go down, which is what happens with the fuel, you basically open up landfills that are further away, right? And so, we've actually seen pretty nice growth in our Northeastern landfills. I'm not sure that I'd attribute it 100% to the lower transportation costs, but we've seen nice volumes both in our Northeastern network and then in our Southern network. We would expect that – we'd expect that to continue into 2016. I always say, to a certain extent, low fuel prices are both good for the economy, but they're also good for our business. Charles Edgerton Redding - BB&T Capital Markets: Great. And just a follow-up, with apologies, on energy services, can you be a little more specific in terms of those types of hauls that are seeing the most pressure from lower spending, and maybe too early to think about any nascent stabilization here year-to-date? James E. Trevathan - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: The types of haul that are seeing lower spending – look, we haul – most of what we haul is drill cuttings. And then we haul some waters, we haul a little bit of NGL. So, clearly, the big piece that has declined is drill cuttings. But what's happened is, you're seeing these – the rig count has dropped off by 60%. So, they are not drilling. They may be leasing property, but they're not drilling nearly as much as they were a year ago. And so, as a consequence, the drill cuttings coming out of those holes are not moving to our landfills. So, I think that answers your question. It is – because it's the majority of our energy services business, that is what's causing the biggest drop-off. Charles Edgerton Redding - BB&T Capital Markets: Great. Thanks for the time. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thank you.

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Operator

Your next question is from Tony Bancroft with Gabelli & Company. Tony Bancroft - Gabelli & Company: Thanks. Could you please add just some little more color maybe on the renegotiations for your recycling some of the lower – the unprofitable recycling contracts and CPI-linked contracts? I realize that you said it's a small portion of the customers' cost structure and you guys in general are more prone to not – you said – you always previously said that if you can't do anything at CPI, you'll go get it somewhere else. But maybe just like, where are we, in a sense, maybe on a percentage, maybe some kind of gauge where on a percentage basis of what needs to be renegotiated and how far along you are? Is there some kind of maybe general big picture, inning type thing of where you are along in that? David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. On the recycling front, I would say we're about 75% to 80% through renegotiating the contracts. And the contracts that we haven't renegotiated, we can't do anything more about, because they're basically sort of long term contracts and we just have to eat the losses on those contracts until the contracts come up for bid and hopefully at a higher rate or they will go to someone else who is welcome to lose money on them. And so, on the recycling front, we're probably about 75% to 80% through. On the CPI front, about 20% of our business – our CPI-related business is either on a floating index that more approximates the Waste Services Index or they're on a fixed price increase track with over 2.5% fixed price increases. In other words, 2.5% is sort of our inflation rate. About 20% of our contracts are either on a CPI-based measure or – that is not CPI but would be, for example, the Waste and Water Index or what we call a Solid Waste Index. And so, that runs at a higher rate generally than our 2.5% inflation. And then, we've got other contracts where they run higher than our 2.5% inflation because they have fixed price increases at over 2.5%. So, about 20% of our business is under those types of contracts. So, there's still a lot of room to go on the residential and on the national account side to get those CPI contracts moved up but we're about 20% through it. Tony Bancroft - Gabelli & Company: That's great. Thanks, guys. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thank you.

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Operator

Your next question is from Barbara Noverini with Morningstar.

Barbara Noverini - Morningstar, Inc.

Analyst · Morningstar

Good morning, everybody. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Good morning.

Barbara Noverini - Morningstar, Inc.

Analyst · Morningstar

Somewhat related to the last question but if we're looking at a lower-for-longer commodity price scenario for recycling, how much further can you take the operational improvements that you've been speaking about? Would you have to consider more aggressive restructuring actions or is there still a lot of runway for this sort of operational cost saving, customer education, et cetera, that you've been describing? David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. When we look at recycling, we've made some great improvements. I think there's still plenty of room for improvement. But at this point in time, basically what we're down to is we have a series of plants and those series of plants generally revolve around a large contract, a large municipal contract or other contracts. So if we lose that large municipal contract, absolutely, we would probably have to shut down that plant because we don't have enough volume going through that plant. We don't have any that we have on the early time horizon where we think that will happen but that's basically how we'll have to respond to a low-for-long commodity price. We still have operational improvements we can make. We think we can pull out sort of that 5% to 10% operating cost for a few years. But then any bigger restructuring, we don't have any planned right now. If we did any of that, it would be based upon large contract losses that we would have if we have those. James E. Trevathan - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: And just a reminder, we have consolidated over the last two years roughly 20% of the total number of facilities. Most of them smaller, but where we've either lost on profitable volume and can move the remaining good volume into…

Barbara Noverini - Morningstar, Inc.

Analyst · Morningstar

Yeah. That makes sense. Thanks for the additional detail. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

At this time, there are no questions. David P. Steiner - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thanks. Well, just in closing, as we said, we're real confident that we can hit our targets in 2016. For the most part, everything seems to be clicking on all cylinders. But you can't do it just because you have a good economic environment, or you can't do it just because you have the best assets in the business. You absolutely have to have the right team to execute. And so, I'd say all the way from our senior team here in Houston and out in the field, all the way down to our leadership out in the field, all the way down to our frontlines, we've got the right team, and that's why we're so confident that we're going to grow this business in 2016 and well into the future. Thank you.

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