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W. P. Carey Inc. (WPC)

Q1 2020 Earnings Call· Fri, May 1, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Hello and welcome to W. P. Carey’s First Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Diego, and I will be your operator today. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. Please note that today’s event is being recorded. After today’s prepared remarks, we will be taking questions via the phone line. Instructions on how to do so will be given at the appropriate time. I will now turn today’s program over to Peter Sands, Director of Institutional Investor Relations. Mr. Sands, please go ahead.

Peter Sands

Management

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for our 2020 first quarter earnings call. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that some of the statements made on this call are not historic facts and may be deemed forward-looking statements. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from W. P. Carey’s expectations are provided in our SEC filings. An online replay of this conference call will be made available in the Investor Relations section of our website at wpcarey.com, where it’ll be archived for approximately one year, and where you can also find copies of our investor presentations and other related materials. And with that, I’ll hand the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Jason Fox.

Jason Fox

Management

Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us on this call. I hope everyone and their loved ones are safe and well as we all move through these challenging times. Today, I focus my remarks on three main topics. First, I’ll briefly touch upon the actions we take in response to COVID-19. Second I’ll review where our business stands today including insight into our April rent collections, and third I’ll conclude with some comments on what we're most focused on as we look ahead. After that I’ll hand over to Toni Sanzone, our CFO, who will briefly review our first quarter results and portfolio activity as well as the strength of our balance sheet and liquidity position. As noted in this morning's press release, we've withdrawn our previous 2020 AFFO guidance given the uncertain economic outlook. However, Toni will discuss our current views on various aspects of our earnings for the remainder of the year. And before I jump into my prepared remarks, I'd like to also note that the 8-K we furnished this morning with our earnings release and supplemental disclosure also included slides with the COVID-19 update, much of which we'll cover on this call. As usual, Toni and I are joined by our President, John Park and our Head of Asset Management, Brooks Gordon were here to take your questions. Our COVID-19 response began in late February and we started taking steps to prioritize the health and safety of our employees and it confirmed that our entire workforce had the technology and resources required to work remotely. By mid-March, we fully transitioned all employees in our four offices, New York, Dallas, London and Amsterdam to working remotely that proved to be a smooth transition, having previously moved our core systems including our financial, telecommunication and conferencing…

Toni Sanzone

Management

Good morning everyone. Before I begin I'd like to echo Jason's thoughts and hope that everyone in their families are safe and well. I'd also like to recognize all of our employees for their excellent work during this difficult time especially those who worked tirelessly over the past several weeks in support of our quarter close and earnings process. I'm going to start with a brief review of our first quarter results and portfolio activity before moving on to our current outlook and finishing with the review of our balance sheet and liquidity. Looking at the first quarter we reported strong quarterly results with total AFFO coming in at a $1.25 per share. Our real estate segment generated AFFO of a $1.21 per share for the quarter, representing 7% year-over-year growth driven primarily by the accretive impact of net acquisitions and rent increases in addition to lower interest expense due primarily to the significant mortgage debt prepayments we made in 2019. These factors more than offset the dilution associated with strengthening and deleveraging our balance sheet, resulting from the shares we issued through our ATM program last year. 97% of our total first quarter AFFO per share was generated from real estate as we continue our exit from Investment Management, which was further advanced through the recently completed merger between the CWI lodging funds that we previously managed to form Watermark Lodging Trust. Investments during the first quarter totaled $256 million at a weighted average cap rate of 6.5%. First quarter investment activity was comprised of three acquisitions for $189 million in addition to the completion of three capital investment projects at a cost of $67 million. We currently expect to close an additional $193 million of capital investment projects over the remainder of the year which would bring total…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we will take questions. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Jeremy Metz with BMO. Please state your question.

Aman Gherger

Analyst

Hey. Good morning. I'm Aman with -- for in Jeremy here.

Jason Fox

Management

Good morning, Jeremy.

Aman Gherger

Analyst

Hey Jason, I was just hoping to dig in to the decision for guidance a little bit, you had being cautious obviously, but it's arguably pretty easy to underwrite now buying or selling anything for the rest of the year. Do you have the strong rent collections, a lot of support from industrial and warehouse and office, I mean separately those sectors are all seeing -- to keep some guideposts in place. You've got the long average leases. So I'm just wondering how much is yours really being overly cautious given the environment versus driven by some specific risks you're seeing wearing up and maybe have you nervous.

Brooks Gordon

Analyst

No. You're right, and we're encouraged by April rent collections. We feel good about our portfolio as you mentioned, the balance sheet is in good position, but it's really there's just too much uncertainty right now. They just really – we don't have enough visibility into what the impact on the global economy is going to be to really forecast for the rest of the year. I would think that there's probably a reasonable chance that on next earnings, we would reissue. But I think more to come on that as we continue to evaluate what's happening within our portfolio as well as the broader economy.

Aman Gherger

Analyst

Yeah. I know that’s fair. And then on the 25% deferrals that you noted, at this point what's the baseline for how much of those do you expect to pass to grant. And then you mentioned the potential lease restructuring within that bucket. Are those along the blend and extend mood or what’s being contemplated. Any color on there the repayments for the deferrals you're discussing?

Jason Fox

Management

Yeah. Let me pass it over to Brooks to take that question. Go ahead, Brooks.

Brooks Gordon

Analyst

Sure. Thanks. So as Jason said, roughly 25%, a little under 25% of AVR requested rent relief, I mean, that includes tenants that didn't pay in April. Of those tenants we expect about two-thirds can and will remain current and then the balance, the roughly 10% of total AVR may require some near-term deferral. But it's very hard to predict exactly when and exactly how many of those, but deferrals in this case are typically three to six months, payback roughly within a year. And I mean we do expect to eventually collect the majority of that deferred rent. And again I think it's important to note that each situation is very different, so it's very much a tenant-specific approach. And then with respect to your question on some of the restructures, we're being very cautious with those but there will be some opportunities where we so choose with tenants that otherwise would pay where we may talk to them about broader lease restructures, and then, that typically would relate to lease term and rent bumps but we're going to be very selective with those.

Aman Gherger

Analyst

Yeah. Hi, guys. Within your capital investment project pipeline, have any of the tenants approached you about potentially holding off or delaying confinements. I just want to get a sense of how visible the pipeline is. Thanks.

Jason Fox

Management

Hey, Brooks, you want to take that one as well.

Brooks Gordon

Analyst

Sure. So on the capital projects we're not experiencing any material delays or any hesitancy from the tenants. And as Tony mentioned, we fully intend to complete those projects as planned and all are continuing as we would expect.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Manny Korchman with Citi. Please state your question.

Manny Korchman

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question.

Hey. Jason, earlier in the call, you talked about perhaps you sort of adding value add projects in those cases where there was near term rent lead for class or at least that's the way I understood it. Can you help us sort of tie the two thoughts together putting more capital into a project where you have a tenant that's weaker now I guess is the way I'm thinking about it and sort of your thought process there is a setting up that asset to retenent, is it actually shortening the term rather than lighting the term, so how should we think about those two concepts?

Jason Fox

Management

Yeah. As Brooks mentioned, I think each one has yielded different, but I think it's important to emphasize here, those type of deals are with tenants that we think can and would pay otherwise. And it's more that if there is opportunities for us to provide some kind of short term relief to them again when they could pay otherwise but it may be beneficial to them that may create an opportunity for us to really increase the long term intrinsic value that asset. It's probably mainly through lease extensions and perhaps higher bumps, perhaps there are some provisions in leases we can modify if it’s to our benefit but these are I would say these are more offensive deals than defensive and again those trends we would expect to pay otherwise and we would have left at our discretion whether or not we want to do some modifications to create more long-term value. I don’t know if you add anything to that Brooks?

Brooks Gordon

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question.

Yeah. I would just further clarify when we when we consider kind of investing capital in this situation but it's really in the form of providing some short-term rent relief. But these are really the ones where it may benefit the tenant in the short run but they don't really need it, but they're just kind of looking to build some more flexibility on their side. And so it's not necessarily that we're investing new dollars, it’s just We’re considering those deferred rents as in many ways a new investment for us in our mindsets.

Manny Korchman

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question.

Got it

Brooks Gordon

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question.

And at this point and we’ll underwrite those through the same lens as we would any investment look at unlevered IRRs on what that rent relief in the increase in value could eventually become.

Manny Korchman

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question.

Right and then it's probably way too early to be thinking about it but I'll ask it anyway in terms of just the sale leaseback market. Have you heard anything there that could change positive or negative or what types of tenants might start looking at that as a source of capital.

Brooks Gordon

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question.

Yeah. It's still early. I think that generally speaking investment activity really globally has slowed. I think cap rates for example they really haven't moved all that much. I think it'll take some time for sellers to adjust their expectations. I think that will be the case with sale leasebacks as well. We'll take a little bit of time but I think absolutely we should see a - an increase in those opportunities I think we'll see a shift of companies looking to raise capital through sales leasebacks especially if the price persists longer than maybe under their base case models and I think if you think back to the last economic crisis we did some of our best opportunities. So we did some of our best deals during that point in time and many of those were sale leasebacks. So even more to come on that perhaps in the second half of the year. But I would expect us to see you know an increased opportunity and producing opportunities with that.

Manny Korchman

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question.

Right. Thanks everyone.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Greg McGinniss with Scotiabank. Please proceed with your question.

Greg McGinniss

Analyst · Scotiabank. Please proceed with your question.

Brooks, could you perhaps provide some detail regarding the tenant industry or property types where you’re seeing the deferral requests?

Brooks Gordon

Analyst · Scotiabank. Please proceed with your question.

So yeah, from a region perspective, the request are roughly 60/40 US to Europe. So a slightly higher overall request rate in Europe versus U.S., but we're pretty close to inline. We expect that potentially because of a higher retail concentration in Europe. But important to note that most of those did indeed pay rent and it's concentrated in DIY and grocery, our retail portfolio. On the property type front, about 40% of requests were from retail or experiential properties. And so those only represent about 20% of our overall portfolio. So that implies a much higher rate of requests in those property types. And then the same goes for industry, that retail and experiential really was overweight from a retailer – from a request perspective. But that's the primary trend we're seeing.

Greg McGinniss

Analyst · Scotiabank. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Thanks. And then Jason I'm just curious, are there any country specific government programs or policies that have either helped or hindered rent collection that may have a bigger impact in that.

Jason Fox

Management

Brooks, you want to address that.

Brooks Gordon

Analyst · Scotiabank. Please proceed with your question.

Sure. So Europe, watch country is certainly taking a different approach to reopening and I will add that they are somewhat ahead of US in time in their pandemic and in many of those businesses whether retail or for example the major auto manufacturers are in the process of reopening. Each country has a little bit of a different approach to aid to its tenants. So that's a little bit granular to get into explicit detail country by country but in certain cases for example in UK, there's a fair bit of relief in place to help pay wages. So broadly similar in concept to the US and I think important to note that we're certainly not counting on or underwriting any of that relief as necessary for our tenants to pay rent, but it is certainly helping in certain pockets.

Greg McGinniss

Analyst · Scotiabank. Please proceed with your question.

Great. Thank you.

Brooks Gordon

Analyst · Scotiabank. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Joshua Dennerlein with Bank of America. Please state your question.

Joshua Dennerlein

Analyst · Bank of America. Please state your question.

Just curious on the 5% of rent that wasn't paid. Was that it like a few tenants who didn’t pay the full amount or was it that some tenants paid like less than the full amount, but they still paid some rents. Brooks, you want to handle that?

Jason Fox

Management

Sure. So, of the 5% not paying you can really kind of break it into three buckets, so of that 5%, about 30% relates to effectively accounts payable disruption at the tenant. Those have been sorted out and are coming in and I'll note that much of that was in Europe. And so that, and that will, and kind of has -- as of today after we printed the slides brought Europe in line with US and will boost our April collection rate a little bit about 96%. And so, that's just kind of logistical disruption. And about half of the 5% will turn into short-term deferrals as I described and then the balance of 20% percent comes from one or two tenants who didn't pay, but clearly can, and we are in discussions with them and pursuing that for full payment and expect to do so.

Joshua Dennerlein

Analyst · Bank of America. Please state your question.

Okay.

Jason Fox

Management

Yeah. I think Josh it's also important to note that in discussions with them and pursuing that for full payment and expect to do so.

Joshua Dennerlein

Analyst · Bank of America. Please state your question.

Okay.

Jason Fox

Management

And I think Josh it's also important to note that we mentioned that about 2% of our ADR, only 2% of our ADR is in the part of the retail markets that are most impacted, fitness facilities, theaters and restaurants, almost all of that was not paid. So that's a big part of the rate there. And I think as Brookes said what happens with those over time I think will change too.

Joshua Dennerlein

Analyst · Bank of America. Please state your question.

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah I guess with that number going up to 96 is about half of those three property types. And then oh I noticed -- oh actually maybe a follow up on the accounts payable disruption. Any more color you can broaden out what was it just like checks in the mail kind of slowed down due to the virus, people are running around. Any color would be awesome.

Jason Fox

Management

More or less I think you pretty much nailed it. And we certainly can't see on the other side what exactly is going on, but it's been paid and there was no request for relief it's just somewhat late.

Joshua Dennerlein

Analyst · Bank of America. Please state your question.

Okay. Okay. Interesting. And then I noticed – I guess the warehouse property type, it looks like it was include the fitness theaters and restaurants so it was the lowest percent paid at 93%. Any color there on any why was lower or is it just more tenants with disruption?

Jason Fox

Management

It's really that same answer believe it or not.

Joshua Dennerlein

Analyst · Bank of America. Please state your question.

Okay.

Jason Fox

Management

Those payments that trickled in really after we printed the slides are primarily warehouses.

Joshua Dennerlein

Analyst · Bank of America. Please state your question.

Okay. Awesome. I'll leave it there. Thanks, guys.

Jason Fox

Management

Okay. Thanks Josh.

Operator

Operator

At this time, I am not showing any further questions. I'll now hand the call back to Mr. Sands.

Peter Sands

Management

Thank everyone for joining us and for your interest in W.P. Carey. If you have additional questions please call Investor Relations directly on 212-492-1110. That concludes today’s call. You may now disconnect.