Welcome to the Third Quarter 2024 WillScot Earnings Conference Call. My name is Sherry, and I'll be your operator for today's call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Nick Girardi, Vice President, FP&A. Nick, you may begin.

Good evening, and welcome to WillScot third quarter 2024 earnings call. Participants on today's call include Brad Soultz, Chief Executive Officer; and Tim Boswell, President and Chief Financial Officer. Today's presentation material may be found on the Investor Relations section of the WillScot website. Slide 2 contains our safe harbor statements. We will be making forward-looking statements during the presentation and our Q&A session. Our business and operations are subject to a variety of risks and uncertainties, many of which are beyond our control. As a result, our actual results may differ materially from today's comments. For a more complete description of the factors that could cause actual results to differ and other possible risks, please refer to the safe harbor statements in our presentation and our filings with the SEC. With that, I'll turn the call over to Brad Soultz.

Thanks, Nick. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I'm Brad Soultz, Chief Executive Officer of WillScot. As highlighted on Slide 16, our team executed well in Q3 despite a market environment that continues to be worse than we anticipated. On the positive side of the ledger, adjusted EBITDA margins were at record levels at 44.4% and adjusted free cash flow and return on invested capital were also near record levels. And we've continued to advance several key enterprise-wide initiatives that position us well for 2025 and beyond. On the negative side, non-residential construction start square footage was up 14% year-over-year in the quarter and are now tracking 15% below 2019 levels. Consistent with that contraction, we saw delays in a lot of the encouraging order activity in our pipeline in Q2, which both impacted the quarter and makes us more cautious towards the end of the year. However, we continue to see steady demand from larger projects and both backlogs and customer sentiment remains strong among our larger national accounts and contractors. Similar to prior quarters, smaller, more rate-sensitive commercial construction projects made up the bulk of the decline, and we increasingly heard customers point to the election as factoring into their timing decisions for project starts. So we do believe that a portion of this demand that's simply pushing to the right. Given the flexibility in our model, we reacted quickly to the lower activity levels and reduced variable costs by over $20 million relative to our forecast for the quarter, which is on top of the approximately $40 million of annualized indirect cost takeout that we executed heading into the quarter. This contributed to the sequential and year-over-year margin expansion that we delivered in the quarter and positions us well for margin expansion in…

Thanks, Brad, and good evening, everyone. Page 23 shows a high-level summary of the quarter. Clearly, the quarter and the revised outlook did not play out as we expected coming out of Q2, although we see plenty of bright spots that give us confidence our model is working and positioned for the recovery when markets stabilize. For context, in the last two years, we've seen the largest contraction of nonresidential construction square footage since the global financial crisis. That contraction has been longer and deeper than we expected and has impacted volumes. However, those volume headwinds are moderating as we progress into 2025. Meanwhile, margins are improving as expected as we progress through the year, given both the flexibility in our cost structure and structural improvements we've implemented leveraging our technology platform. Free cash flow remains stable and predictable with best-in-class free cash flow conversion and free cash flow margin and with adjusted free cash flow per share increasing by 13% to $3.12 over the last 12 months. ROIC remains stable and supports economic value creation, and we are back to allocating capital across organic opportunities, tuck-ins and shareholder returns, which has been a quite effective formula historically and gives us a familiar playbook heading into 2025. So we remain quite confident in our strategy, our unique platform and capabilities and the strength of the WillScot team. Turning to page 24. Revenue of $601 million declined 1% year-over-year, driven primarily by volume headwinds impacting both storage leasing revenues and delivery and installation revenues, which were down 13% and 1%, respectively. These were offset by modular leasing revenues in VAPS, which were up 4% and 1%, respectively, as well as sales revenue. So overall, no real change to the recent trend of solid modular results offsetting storage. Value-added products penetration for…

No. Just quickly, I'd like to thank our shareholders for continued trust with our capital, employees for continuously raising the bar while caring for each other and our customers. And most importantly, as Tim said, thank you to the 85,000 customers that partner with us to meet their critical space solution needs. Operator, would you please open the line for Q&A.

Thanks very much. Good afternoon, guys. I'm going to start off with a volume question, and then I'll follow up with a pricing question. For you guys repeatedly referenced the volume headwind moderating and just shared a little glimpse of what you're thinking about for 2025. Could you kind of put some substantiation behind why you view volume -- the volume headwind moderating and maybe break it out between the modular and the storage segment?

Yes, Scott, this is Tim. I'll start. I mean if you look at the average unit on rent deficit versus prior year in Q3, you're down about 3%. Entering 2024, that would have been closer to 5%. So we see that continuing to slowly converge, although not to the degree we expected in coming out of Q2 -- and you see a similar dynamic in storage. Sitting here today, heading into the end of October, I'd expect units on rent are actually pushing towards 130,000 units on rent. So we are seeing that sequential build in the storage business, which if it continues, again, puts us in a smaller volume deficit heading into 2025 than we had coming into 2024, although, again, not to the degree we expected in Q2. So that's the dynamic that we're referring to. It just means that relative headwind in the business is not as forceful as it would have been entering this year, which means we can lean on those other levers that we talked about to drive lease revenue growth.

Okay. Great. Understood. Thanks, Tim. On the pricing perspective, you guys have referenced -- there's a slide in this deck with regard to VAPS, modular delivered rates up 1% year-over-year, storage up 16% year-over-year. I'm curious, could you share that what the metric would be for the core rate? And then kind of the bigger picture is, how is pricing integrity for both the modular and the storage categories right now?

Okay. Well, let me start just -- and I'm not sure I understood the question around core rate as it meant as you related to VAPS, Scott. So maybe we come back to that one if I don't cover it. Yes, we saw storage average monthly rental rate up 9.5% year-over-year. And you saw that increase modestly sequentially from Q2 to Q3, which is exactly what we expected coming out of the Q2 call. If you break that down and take the climate-controlled storage out of that, traditional storage AMR was up about 1% year-over-year. And then you have the VAPS contribution on top of that. So we continue to see stability in traditional storage rates, although that is an area where spot rates have not moved to the degree we would have budgeted this time last year sequentially through the course of the year. But overall, the average billing rate remains up 1% year-over-year for storage, excluding VAPS. Cold storage, again, is going to become a bigger mix of the portfolio. That's more of a volume story right now with unit on rent up about 15% year-over-year versus where it would have been in September last year. Not a ton of AMR change through the course of this year, but we are seeing spot rates move up meaningfully in cold, which is pretty encouraging going into 2025. And then modular, it's kind of a continuation of the story. Unit rental rates, excluding VAPS, were up about 7% year-over-year in the quarter. Average value-added products per unit on rent up about 3% year-over-year. And yes, you correctly called out that, that delivered rate in modular also increased about 1% year-over-year in the quarter. It was a little stronger than that if you exclude some of the third-party services, which we're deemphasizing.

Yes. Thanks. You kind of got it on. I was really looking to get into spot rate pricing on the two categories. That's the way I confused it with the VAPS mention. But I was looking for just core in isolation as opposed to VAPS for the trailing 13 weeks to get the spot. So, yes, you covered it a bit there. Just wanted to get a sense of directionally, how is spot trending in each of the two categories, modular in particular, was it? And anything you'd like to add or if you feel you covered it, that's fine.

Yes. In modular, it's trending sequentially flat, right? We haven't seen a ton of movement there through the course of the year. There are some puts and takes as you kind of break it down by product category, not surprisingly, a little stronger in the complex fleet, as you might expect, a little weaker in ground-level offices, just as an example. But overall, the mix of the portfolio is sequentially flat going into next year from a spot standpoint.

Got it. Great. Thanks appreciate the color.

Thank you. One moment for our next question, and that will come from the line of Tim Mulrooney with William Blair. Your line is open.

This is [Indiscernible] on for Tim Mulrooney. Thanks for taking our questions today. Maybe one just to start on the modular side of the business. With interest rates coming down, how are you thinking about the more transactional units on the modular side? Is it your expectation that we should start to see this coming back at some point next year? Or do we need to see a few more rate cuts before we really start to see improvement here? Just curious around kind of the lag component as we think about further rate cuts to come.

This is Tim. I'll start, and Brad, you can add your perspective. I think certainty is as important as the magnitude of the cuts. So, cuts maybe stimulate projects that otherwise didn't meet certain economic hurdles. Certainty simply allows the commercial real estate market to adjust, which maybe takes a bit longer. But either way, it can only be a net benefit to the volume equation in our business, especially among the more transactional product lines. And it's just black and white when you look at the relative performance of the different product lines within modular. We're actually up slightly year-over-year in terms of complex unit on rent and a lot of that's coming from the FLEX product, as we populate the market with that. And then it's just tougher on the transactional single-wides and gloves. And that contrast has been pretty black and white all year long.

Understood. That's helpful. And then maybe one just kind of on the storage side of the business. I think last quarter you had outlined an expectation for a sequential step-up of around 10,000 storage units from 3Q to 4Q, just based on kind of more normalized trends in retail and seasonal. But it seems like maybe from some of the commentary in the slide deck, seeing a bit more pressure on the retail side versus previous expectations. So just curious, how we should think about any seasonal retail dynamics on the storage side of the business heading into the fourth quarter. Thanks so much.

Yeah. The retail side is shaping up very much like we expected coming out of Q2. So as I said a minute ago, I expect we'll probably end October with near 130,000 storage units on rent, relative to the 122,700 that you see on average on rent for the quarter. So we're absolutely seeing that build across both modular and storage, if you just contrast kind of our outlook today to where it was back in Q2, we reduced our overall delivery expectations by about 10% across all product lines. But the retail component is actually performing pretty much in line with what we expected coming out of Q2.

Understood. Thanks very much.

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Steven Ramsey with Thompson Research Group. Your line is open.

Good evening. Was thinking about 2022 being a great year of non-res activity, you're entering this timeframe, if you look at the average three-year lease duration where more of those units start coming back to you against this slow start environment. I guess do you look at this as a double headwind? Or do you see it differently just thinking about the -- where units were in 2022 to correct?

Steve, this is Tim. It's a good question. And it's really the reverse is true to an extent as the unit on rent portfolio comes down in size, the volume of returns tends to come down proportionately. And just to give you some round numbers, total returns in Modular, if I look back to 2022, would have been just north of 70,000 units on rent. And forecast for this year is probably just over 60,000 units on rent. So we've seen the return side of the equation come down. And it's even more pronounced actually on the storage side of the business. And I think we talked about this a little bit last quarter. That tends to be a kind of a dynamic in the portfolio that actually mitigates some of the new demand headwinds because you get a little bit of benefit from that return volume just simply because the unit on rent portfolio is a bit smaller.

Okay. That's helpful. And then I wanted to think about with volume environment because of starts bottoming more slowly than you thought, but then your commercial progress to improve cross-selling with the wider portfolio that you have. I'm curious, how you think about that playing out and what benefits come first as you roll through these initiatives?

Yes. This is Brad. I'll start. And I mentioned in my prepared remarks, the year behind the scenes, we combined the two legacy, ops and sales teams and unveiled a complete portfolio of digital demand optimization, sales effectiveness tools, customer portals, et cetera. So I think everything is in place now. And it's as basic as we don't need two different people selling two different products. We've got one team selling everything. And now they have all the tools in place. And the majority of those digital tools really went into effect in the third quarter. So it gives us, again, more excitement as we look further afield into 2025 and beyond that we can really gain some traction with the cross-sell, not only of modular and storage, but into these adjacencies and then from the adjacencies back into core.

Great. Thanks, again.

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Andrew Wittmann with Baird. Your line is open

Great. Good afternoon and thanks for taking my question. Yes, I wanted to, I guess, dig into the volumes a little bit different way. I guess looking at the activations, last quarter, I guess you guys were saying that your activations were -- I think you were saying they were relatively flat on a year-over-year basis. And this quarter, that your modular activations in the slide were down 7% in storage, they were down 10%. So if activations last quarter were flat and you saw the volumes weaker, a little bit kind of stabilizing sequentially, but activations this quarter were softer. Why aren't -- why isn't it that volumes are going to be even weaker next quarter? I guess, I'm not understanding that thought maybe you could help clarify that.

Yes, Andy, this is Brad. I'll let Tim jump in a bit. But you are correct, through the first quarter and the second quarter, despite non-resi square foots being down year-over-year, modular activations were trending basically flat to prior year. That was basically a tale of two worlds. You had mega projects driving outsized demand primarily for our larger complex fleet, which was fully mitigating the drag, if you will, with the smaller construction projects. In the third quarter, we still continue to see that effect. We just didn't have full mitigation, right? And we touched on a number of drivers with respect to that.

Yes. I'm not sure I have a lot more to add, Andy, other than in the modular business. I think we have pulled back the return volume assumption slightly. But certainly, relative to the last outlook, our end of year unit on rent expectation is lower across both modular and storage. So I think I said, when I was talking about 2025 and kind of when this bottoming plays out, it's definitely pushed to the right relative to where we were forecasting back in July.

Got it. Maybe the better way to ask this question or a different way to ask the question is, do you think that the 3% decline in average units on rent in the third quarter improves in the fourth quarter? Or does it maybe decline a little bit more in the fourth quarter?

On modular, certainly on storage, I think there's the potential for that deficit to continue to close. And we're probably around that 3% deficit in modular, Andy, sitting where sitting is right now.

Okay. So, stabilizing. And then I just wanted a clarification on some of the cost actions, Brad that you talked about. So last quarter, you talked about $40 million of annualized run rate, so something like $10 million a quarter. Was the $20 million that you guys are talking about relative to this quarter, was that in the quarter, $20 million? Or is that also an annualized number so we should think of it as $40 million plus $20 million equals $60 million on an annualized basis? Sorry, I just wanted a clarification on that one.

Yes. It was $20 million lower variable cost relative to what we would have planned in the July time frame, Andy. So that's -- and that is demand driven, right? So it is probably not appropriate to annualize that and say, hey, we've got an $80 million variable cost tailwind going into 2025. Now we would gladly put that back into play to support volumes in the business. But if we pulled 10-ish percent of our volume or activation volume out of the forecast as we progress through the quarter, $20 million of variable cost goes with that in the quarter, right? And that's one of the reasons you actually see margins going up despite an operating leverage headwind in the business. We absolutely saw the flow-through of the $40 million annualized takeout that we did in Q2. And you see that impact in kind of the SG&A line primarily, that at least the SG&A that flows into our adjusted EBITDA calc. The $20 million of variable cost is coming out of cost of leasing and supporting the gross profit margin in the business.

Okay. That makes a lot of sense. Those are my only clarifications for tonight. Thanks guys.

Great, Andy.

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Faiza Alwy with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Yes. Hi. Thank you. So I wanted to clarify on pricing. Can you confirm what the gap is between sort of spot pricing or LTM pricing, both for storage and modular relative to the reported pricing?

Yes. Faiza, on modular, it's about a 12% favorable spread. And on storage, it's about flat, but with a growing spread on the cold storage side of the business.

Okay. Understood. And I guess I'm curious, how should we think about your pricing strategies looking ahead into 2025, just in light of those gaps and in light of inflation decelerating?

Yes. I wouldn't say, Faiza that there's any change to our strategy per se sitting here right now. We are actively kind of reimplementing a new pricing technology platform as we go into next year, which I'm very, very excited about, and that will have some kind of AI-informed price recommendations that we'll be able to then populate into our quoting system. We're also concurrently building out a new quote configuration system. And the goal there is to again, further automate the bundling of not just value-added products, but complementary fleet products as sales reps are building out proposals for customers. We continue to see the biggest challenge and opportunity as it relates to cross-selling and value-added products is our own behavior. So providing the right technology tools to help that is, I think, a pretty interesting solution, which we're actively working on. And I think both of those programs probably go live in the first half of next year sometime. We're actively doing A/B testing on -- in different parts of the business. One example is in the out-of-term rate increases, which you'll recall, on average, the vast majority of our customers retain units longer than they contract them for. That's one of the reasons we're actually seeing the strength and stability of AMR in the storage business is the out-of-term portion of that. But we're actively testing different inflationary escalators in the out-of-term process, just as one of many different examples we're looking at as we go into next year.

Great. That's really good color. And then just if I can ask on volumes. Just sitting from the outside, we've been looking at ABI and the construction data. Like how quickly do you think your -- sort of whether it's activation volumes or generally units on rent, like how quickly do you think that can recover? Because I know there's -- typically, we've talked about a 12- to 18-month lag to ABI and ABI is still under 50. So give us a sense of when do you -- what do you think of as sort of normal? And what do we need to see from a macro perspective to get there?

Hi, Faiza, this is Brad and Tim can jump in. If you think about just the core underlying markets for both modular and storage, we are in the slowest part of the year seasonally. It's basically November, December, January, February, you'll see slower activity. So March is when we would expect to see any sequential improvements really. And that also coincides with probably the earliest we really start to see benefits from the improvement in rates, et cetera. And certainly, I expect we'll have clarity in terms of who's in the White House, a little joke aside there. It is also, as a reminder, second quarter of next year would be when we would start to see retail remodels start to kick back in, which could be a volume driver, if you will, on top of those core markets.

Great. Thank you.

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Angel Castillo with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to circle back on the AMR spot answer, and I apologize if I misunderstood there. But I thought I heard you say, I guess, 12% spread between AMR and the latest spot on modular. And if I'm not mistaken, that was kind of 15% to 20% last quarter. Again, lots of earnings today, so I apologize if I misheard the numbers. But just if that is correct, it seems to imply that the spot maybe has come down on the modular side. Can you just clarify that, if that is what is going on and maybe what's kind of driving that and the confidence in kind of that inflecting?

Yes. I think we were at 15% last quarter on modular, and that had been down from 20%, I think, last year, I forget the exact periods for that. So there definitely was a contraction of the spread. That's more from older units going back and going out at today's spot than it is any compression that we've seen in spot rates themselves. I said earlier on the call that modular spot has been sequentially flat through the course of the year with some product mix variation, but extremely stable there. And you're just returning units that were rented two, three, four, five years ago, and the volume that's going out is going out at today's spot, which has been flat sequentially through the course of the year.

Very helpful. Thank you. And then I just wanted to follow-up on maybe some of your commentary around 2025. I think, I heard you say that maybe this non-resi will be bottoming into the first half of 2025. And as we think about that, combined with maybe some of your conversations around 2025 improvements on demand. Can you just maybe talk about the cadence of that? Is the first half going to continue to -- do you kind of expect that to be below kind of the second half dynamic that we're seeing right now and therefore, some continued contraction if things are still bottoming and it's more of a second half year? Or just what kind of, cadence do you -- should we kind of envision from a margin expansion as well as growth perspective?

Yes. It's probably a little early to give you a crystal clear sequential guidance for the year. We're going through our own planning process kind of as we speak. On a year-over-year basis, I think it's probably appropriate to assume that the first half of the year is flatter from a revenue growth standpoint just because you have lost some momentum finishing the year here. But between a stabilization of markets, the commercial initiatives Brad talked about, some very real progress on our newer product lines. And then pricing and margin, it is -- I think we've got a couple of different recipes with levers that are in our control that can drive kind of a modest growth year for the year with margin expansion, and we're working on the different scenarios and the different kind of recipes as we speak.

Appreciate the color. Thank you.

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Manav Patnaik with Barclays. Your line is open. .

Hi. How are you? This is Ronan Kennedy on for Manav. Thank you for taking my question. And talking about capital allocation, you referenced consistency in a typical approach. If I may, please, have a multifaceted question there. Could I please confirm for CapEx, the expected spend from a percentage standpoint on refurbs, organic investment in Flex Cold storage and ClearSpan and adjacencies? And then also from an end market standpoint, I think, [indiscernible] entry into education was a key commercial benefit of McGrath for diversification and stability. Is that type of thing a possibility? On the M&A front, I think it was $164 million in cold storage and ClearSpan. Is this primarily where we should expect M&A to occur? Has the ability to do larger acquisitions in your legacy assets been somewhat potentially impaired as a result of the FTC review? And then on buybacks, how should we think about the cadence on a quarterly basis? Is there a possibility for some catch-up activity?

Well, there's a lot in there. I'll knock one off and then Tim jump in. From a tuck-in pipeline perspective, I think looking back is the right way to think about looking forward. We've deployed a little over $1 billion over the last several years into acquisitions. About one-fourth of that has been modular. Everything else has been storage with a large majority ClearSpan and cold storage, so new adjacencies. So we are repriming that pipeline a bit, as I mentioned during my prepared remarks. But I think going forward assume we put 25% of the capital back to work to fund maintenance and growth. That will include growth in VAPS and these new adjacencies. And there's -- we expect to still see an ample pipeline for continued deployment into tuck-in M&A and don't feel there are any like undue constraints coming out of the McGrath transaction.

Yes, Ronan, if you look at page 27 in the deck, the right-hand pie chart shows the last 12 months of capital allocation. I'd expect the $231 million of net CapEx to go up a bit as we finish out the year. I think Q4 CapEx will be higher this year than it was last year, mostly because of the adjacencies that are growing organically. I think the $164 million of tuck-in volume compresses a bit as we close out the year just because there was a larger platform acquisition in Q4 last year, which will fall off. But overall, the framework is very much the same. And you can see on LTM basis, adding back the deal costs, you've got $500 million that would have been allocated to the repurchase under that scenario. And in terms of the timing and magnitude of repurchases, yes, we take valuation into account. But we also believe that, that is a steady lever that should be deployed consistently over time to compound returns.

Thank you very much. Thank you both for the inside. That's helpful and appreciate it. On the -- I think Brad had mentioned election is factoring into timing decisions, and there was a joke and clarification on the White House who will be in the White House. Are you hearing from your customers? Or have you assessed potential political risk from the implications of respective red or blue sweep or a Trump or Harris administration potentially impacting on-shoring, right-shoring the energy demand that you have seen, I think, more so for the modular business. Have you assessed kind of political risk there?

Ronan, this is Tim. I've been on the road a fair amount recently. And what I've heard is more about certainty than it is about a preference one way or the other. You've got two heavy spenders, I think, on the ticket. So I don't see a huge change there one way or the other. Maybe the mix of type of government support shifts end market to end market, but we don't really care about that much. If you get more manufacturing with one and a little less green energy, well, our services don't really change that much depending on where the end market activity is. We just need the activity to be there. So we're not losing sleep over either outcome, but I think it's been pretty clear and consistent that customers want to know what paradigm they're operating in when they kick off a major project. And in retrospect, I think we may have heard that later than some, just given the sales cycle for us tends to be a little bit shorter, given we're such a small spend item on many of these project sites. But it has been a pretty consistent drumbeat that built during the quarter.

Got it. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Philip Ng with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Hey, guys. Tim, I appreciate you giving us at least an early framework for 2025. You're calling out modest growth and margin expansion. So that's great. But can you help us unpack how you think about units on rent versus AMR growth for next year? Based on your comments, it sounds like unit on rent will likely be down next year, but I just want to get a little more perspective and kind of how do you get comfortable on how you're thinking about units on rent just because it's been pretty tough to predict.

Yes, it has. It will be down to start the year, although, again, not to the same degree it was down to start this year. So a moderating headwind there is still what we see. I can't really predict the exact mix of the KPIs that are going to play out through the course of this year, Phil. And like I said earlier, I think we've got a couple of different pathways to deliver the very high-level framework that we're talking about. We still have a very powerful tailwind in modular AMR. We have good traction across storage VAPS and signs of life in modular VAPS, which we expected to begin around inflecting around this time. We have new product offerings. And as Brad said in his remarks, we see the run rates there potentially doubling as we progress through next year, and that's primarily a volume game across some of the newer additions we've introduced to the portfolio. And then you've got margins where I think the track record has been pretty clear. And as we kind of optimize a lot of the commercial and operational processes here, leveraging all the technology investments that have put in place, I think we've got multiple ways to win on the margin front as we go through 2025. So those are the different levers that we're looking at sitting here today. And the mix of leasing KPIs always ends up being different than you expect in a budgeting process. So our job is to make sure we've got different ways to deliver the result.

And then, Tim, I know the demand outlook is a little different than you thought, but I think last quarter, based on the cadence you're seeing in the spread, I think you mentioned you're pretty confident that you could deliver, call it, high single-digit, call it, AMR growth in modular. Is that algo looking different today? And then storage, just given the spread, does that look more flattish? Or you could actually see some growth on AMR looking next year for storage?

Yes, we need to see the spot rates on traditional containers pick up from where they are now to begin pulling up the AMR. You're going to get a -- absolutely get a mix benefit from the growing cold storage population. And value-added products are up, I believe it was 16% year-over-year in the traditional storage category in Q3. So that's probably the setup for storage with a 12% spread currently in modular with no further spot rate improvement, that probably brings you down into the low mid-single digits if you just divide that spread by 3, but with upside across value-added products and services. So sitting here right now, I think that's the best visibility we've got.

Okay. Appreciate the color. Thank you.

Thank you. I'm showing no further questions in the queue at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Nick Girardi for any closing remarks.

Thank you, Sherry. Thank you all for your interest in WillScot. If you have additional questions after today's call, please contact me.

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