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Williams-Sonoma, Inc. (WSM)

Q2 2008 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 28, 2008

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Williams-Sonoma Incorporated second quarter 2008 earnings call. (Operator Instructions) I would now like to turn the conference over to Steve Nelson, Director of Investor Relations at Williams-Sonoma Incorporated, to discuss non-GAAP measures and forward-looking statements.

Stephen C. Nelson

Management

Good morning. This morning’s conference call should be considered in conjunction with the press release we issued earlier today. I would first like to discuss the non-GAAP financial measures that are contained in this morning’s earnings press release and conference call, which exclude the impact of unusual business events. For the remainder of today’s call, we will be discussing our second quarter results and 2008 quarterly and fiscal year guidance excluding the impact of these items and will refer to these results as non-GAAP. These non-GAAP financial measures are provided to facilitate meaningful year-over-year comparisons. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures and an explanation of how these non-GAAP financial measures are used by management are discussed in Exhibit 1 of the press release. I would now like to discuss our forward-looking statements. The forward-looking statements included in this morning’s call constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements address the financial condition, results of operations, business initiatives, guidance, and prospects of the company in 2008 and beyond and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from such forward-looking statements. Please refer to the company’s current press release and SEC filings, including reports on Forms 10-K, 10-Q, and 8-K, for more information on these risks and uncertainties. The company undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances that may arise after the date of this call. I will now turn the conference call over to Howard Lester, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer.

W. Howard Lester

Management

Good morning and thank you for joining us. With me today is Laura Alber, our President; Pat Connolly, our Chief Marketing Officer; Sharon McCollam, our Chief Operating and Chief Financial Officer; and David DeMattei, our Group President for the Williams-Sonoma, Williams-Sonoma Home, and West Elm brands. Let me begin today with an overview of our second quarter 2008 business results and a high level outlook for the balance of the year. Then I’ll turn the call over to Sharon, Dave, and Laura for further details. During the second quarter, much to our disappointment, we continued to see significant deterioration in the macroeconomic environment resulting in progressively declining comparable store sales throughout the quarter. To put this in perspective, comparable store sales declined 8.6% in May versus 14% in July. Due to this deterioration in trend, our second quarter net revenues decreased a greater than expected 4.6%. However, despite this top line pressure, we focused on the aspects of our business that we could control, including the successful execution of several key cost reduction initiatives and delivered diluted earnings per share within the range of guidance at $0.17 per share. That included a $0.09 benefit related to the sale of our corporate aircraft. Excluding this $0.09 benefit, non-GAAP diluted earnings per share were $0.08. In our core brands, net revenues decreased 7.6%. This decline was driven by an 11.5% decrease in the Pottery Barn brand and an 8.1% decrease in the Pottery Barn Kids brand, partially offset by a 1% increase in the Williams-Sonoma brand. In our emerging brands, which include West Elm, Williams-Sonoma Home, and PBTeen, net revenues increased 15.9%, despite the softening in the overall economy. In direct marketing, we continued to implement our catalog circulation optimization strategy and the results to date are affirming that the circulation decreases…

Sharon L. McCollam

Management

Thank you, Howard. Good morning. I would now like to talk about second quarter results. In the second quarter of 2008, GAAP diluted earnings per share decreased $0.06 to $0.17 per diluted share versus $0.23 in the second quarter of 2007. Excluding a $0.09 net benefit associated with the gains on the sale of our corporate aircraft, non-GAAP diluted earnings per share were $0.08 per share. Throughout the quarter, the success of our operational and cost containment initiative allowed us to deliver operating results that were within our range of guidance. Net revenues in the second quarter decreased 4.6% to $820 million. Comparable store sales decreased 11.7%. Retail lease square footage increased 11% and catalog circulation, consistent with our optimization strategy, decreased 20.5%. Paid circulation decreased 31.1%. This compares to catalog and paid circulation increases of 8.6% and 9.2% respectively in the second quarter of 2007. Gross margin, expressed as a percentage of net revenues, was 34% versus 37.2% in the second quarter of 2007. This 320 basis point year-over-year decrease was primarily driven by an increase in cost of merchandise sold, including the impact of increased markdowns, the deleverage of fixed occupancy expenses, and an increase in inventory related reserves. These increases were partially offset, however, by a 40 basis point decrease in replacements and damages expense. SG&A was $253 million, or 30.9% of net revenues, versus $277 million, or 32.3% in the second quarter of 2007. Excluding the approximate $16 million pretax benefit from the sale of the corporate aircraft, non-GAAP SG&A was 32.9%. This 60 basis point year-over-year increase was primarily driven by the deleverage of employment costs, partially offset by a reduction in advertising costs due to the successful rollout of our company’s catalog optimization strategy. The effective income tax rate was 27.1% versus 40.2% in…

David DeMattei

Management

Thank you, Sharon. Good morning. I would like to begin with Williams-Sonoma. Despite an extremely difficult macro environment, net revenues in the Williams-Sonoma brand increased 1% in the second quarter. Comparable store sales, however, decreased 4.5% but were more than offset by incremental revenues from new and expanded stores and higher traffic in e-commerce. What drove the business was the successful marketing and merchandising of seasonal events, like Mother’s Day, Father’s Day, and Fourth of July, which is encouraging as we enter the highly event-driven back half of the year. From a merchandising perspective, the key growth drivers during the quarter were electrics, seasonal hard lines and cookware. These were substantially offset, however, by traffic dependent categories like housewares and food that have been weak all year. As we get ready for the third and fourth quarters, we are increasingly concerned about consumer trends but believe the Williams-Sonoma brand, with its seasonal relevance and gift-giving focus, will be more resilient than our other home furnishings brand. For that reason, we are guiding comparable store sales to be down only low- to mid-single-digits during this period, but we’ll be disappointed if we don’t do better than that, due to a high level of confidence in this year’s holiday assortment. Our execution will be critical and we are focused on the following initiatives to capitalize on the brand’s authority -- expanding our gift-giving assortment to feature a broader range of options and price points, strengthening our marketing message to draw attention to new and exclusive offerings, leveraging the functionality of our new e-commerce platform, and maintaining a superior level of customer service while balancing the cost pressures of a softer top line. We continue to believe that despite the macro environment, the Williams-Sonoma brand is the premiere retail destination for high-end cooking…

Laura J. Alber

Management

Thank you, Dave. Good morning. First I’ll start with the Pottery Barn brand. Second quarter net revenues decreased 11.5% with declining trends throughout the quarter. Of this decrease, approximately 250 basis points were driven by reductions in catalog circulation as expected, and approximately 70 basis points by a voluntary product recall. And while we are generally encouraged by the consumer response to overall newness in the brand, it was not strong enough to offset the significant deterioration in the overall macro environment. Retail was particularly challenging, with comparable store sales decreasing 16%, and July at negative 18.6% was noticeably weaker than other months in the quarter, a trend that is continuing in August. From a merchandising perspective, we saw year-over-year sales declines across all major categories. Interestingly enough, however, no one category was significantly better or worse than another, with the exception of furniture, which benefited from the success of new product introductions and a strong upholstery business. On the operational side of the business, we had another great quarter, delivering better-than-expected savings from both our catalog circulation and returns, replacements, and damages initiative. We also delivered a strong inventory performance as we reduced units on hand despite a significant sales shortfall. As we look forward to the third quarter and the balance of the year, we are assuming that the macroeconomic environment is not going to improve and as such, we are guiding high-teens negative comps and a similar trend adjusted for circulation decreases in the direct-to-customer channel. Our focus is on execution and the things we can control, including pricing strategies, catalog circulation, and discretionary spending, all areas where we have a proven track record of success. We are also focused on reducing inventories through managed receipt flow, transfers between channels, and the utilization of our outlet stores…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) We will take our first question from Matt Nemer with Thomas Weisel Partners.

Matt Nemer - Thomas Weisel Partners

Analyst · Thomas Weisel Partners

Good morning, everyone. My first question is if you could just talk to your brand positioning and merchandising if this malaise that we are in lasts for another year or two or three years, and customers are turning towards discounters and coupon usage. Does it make sense? Is there anything you can do to the marketing or merchandising to have more of a value message, or do you think that that would damage the brand longer term? And then just one quick question, follow-up question -- on SG&A, I guess it was down about 11% per square foot. Can you give us any clarity on how much of that is coming from retail, marketing, or corporate, et cetera?

Sharon L. McCollam

Management

I’m going to let Howard take your first question on how he sees the larger macro, if it was an extended period of time. So Howard, will you please take that question? And then I’ll come back on the SG&A.

W. Howard Lester

Management

Matt, I think none of us know how long this is going to last, or the extent of it, so I would think at this point in time that we should keep doing what we’ve been doing here for 50 years in building these brands, and value is part of that. I mean, I think if this worsens or gets deeper, we’re not going to be unaware of the fact that the customer is looking for value but I wouldn’t do it to the extent that it changes the premise of the brand. So I think we’ll just kind of measure that day to day. That could have some affect on merchandising trends and how we react to those and we’ll react to what the customer is saying to us but I don’t think we’re thinking about a material change in the brand, if that answers your question. And the second one, Sharon, I’ll turn that back to you for that.

Sharon L. McCollam

Management

Yes, Matt, were you referring to the third quarter or the full year?

Matt Nemer - Thomas Weisel Partners

Analyst · Thomas Weisel Partners

Sorry, I was actually looking at the second quarter.

Sharon L. McCollam

Management

Oh, at the second quarter -- the drivers in the second quarter were ad costs -- that was the big driver -- and then where we are seeing additional SG&A reductions are virtually in all of our headquarters and corporate departments. Those would be where they would see them. You are going to see the majority when you get segment reporting coming in the direct-to-customer channel, and then the corporate non-allocated.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) We’ll move on to Dana Telsey with Telsey Advisory Group.

Dana Telsey - Telsey Advisory Group

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. Definitely a challenging environment. As you look at each of the three brands and preparing for this holiday season, I believe there had been some discussion of more in-store events, more direct contact with the customer. How do you see that playing out for each of the brands going forward? And as you plan for next year, pricing, product flows -- is there any change or difference and how does that impact the gross margin? Thank you.

Sharon L. McCollam

Management

Laura, will you take that for the Pottery Barn brand, Pottery Barn Kids and Pottery Barn? And then Dave, you’ll take that for Williams-Sonoma, please?

Laura J. Alber

Management

Sure. Let me take the first part, Dana. You know, for the Pottery Barn brands, both right now and through the holiday season, we -- well, right now we are -- we’ve been running very successful decorating events in our Pottery Barn stores and we continue to invest in our sing-alongs and story time and some very special Star Wars events that are coming up that we think will literally pack the house and really delight our customers and create a great environment in the mall for our customers at our stores. And we are going to continue those through the holiday season and make that investment in our stores. On the direct side, we are very focused and have been methodically going through our e-mail and direct marketing messaging to send highly targeted, relevant messages to our customer based on both shopping behavior and also the change that we are seeing in the environment and recognizing that people are not refurnishing entire homes to the same extent they were last year. They are though redecorating, replacing and they will celebrate the holidays this year and we are really fine-tuning our messaging to them to really show them that we understand and that we stay relevant.

David DeMattei

Management

As you know in Williams-Sonoma, we’ve really developed our technique classes in an increasing manner, and actually have merged that into our catalog marketing and our retail versioning, which has been highly successful for us. And as you know, our versioning continues to increase as a percentage of our circulation. We will continue to do that. We are increasing our demonstrations in our stores ongoing, and that’s a major focus for our field organization. As you know, when we taste products or when we demonstrate products, we have great success with that, especially in making a much more interactive environment in our stores. And so we will continue to do that and that is a big focus for us. In terms of our e-mail marketing, as Laura said, Williams-Sonoma too is doing segmentation of their e-mail files and really starting to send out much more targeted messages, and we see as the relevance, as one would expect, as relevance increases the conversion of those e-mails increases. In terms of holiday and beyond in terms of merchandising, we are working very, very hard on our food strategies going forward, not only from a product standpoint -- from a marketing and in-store presentation standpoint. In fact, Howard and I were in Corta Madera yesterday where we had set up some new things where we are seeing great results on that, and we are working on some organizational changes to impact our tabletop areas and we feel very strong about that. Our housewares business that I’ve talked about for the past year of being down, we have a new strategy that will go into place, partially at holiday and in September to impact that, so we are feeling very confident that we are on the right track to push our business forward.

Laura J. Alber

Management

On the second part of your question, Dana, about next year’s pricing and product flow, interestingly enough some of the strongest parts of our business are not the lowest ticket. We are seeing better strength in more considered purchase across the home furnishings brands, in furniture, particularly, and our customer comes to us for great value and that is not necessarily related to lower prices. It’s that the price reflects the value and the quality and the design that goes into it, so that we are offering product that you would usually find at the higher end in our stores. And our best-selling products right now reflect that, so we are not making a sea-change on the pricing strategy for next year. As it relates to the product flow, you know, people are buying closer in on seasonal products and we are very conscious of that and giving them relevant products in all of our channels at the right time. So we are making adjustments to that effect.

David DeMattei

Management

And I really don’t have anything to add to either what Laura said or what Howard said. We continually merchandise into trends. That’s what we do every day and as Laura said, the lowest selling price is not always the best-selling good but it’s great to have a broad assortment of price points and that is what we are merchandising into and we watch trends constantly and make adjustments to our assortment.

Operator

Operator

We’ll take our next question from Matthew Fassler with Goldman Sachs.

Matthew Fassler - Goldman Sachs

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Thanks a lot and good morning to you. I would like to focus on inventory for a moment. You talked about taking some higher inventory reserves. Obviously the inventory came in below your plan and seemed to keep up with the sales shortfall, so how much of your reserves were anticipatory and what kind of provisions -- what’s your expectation in terms of markdowns for the second half of the year, given where the environment is?

Sharon L. McCollam

Management

I’ll take that question. When you look at the components of our inventory that I gave you in our prepared remarks, we said that when you look at -- we just had a $5 million increase and $33 million of that is in new stores, new and expanded stores, and then Sonoma was only up 8, and that was versus last quarter, where they were up over 20. And that was the net of lower units but then a higher mix shift impact shifting to higher cost products and then of course cost increases in Sonoma, a lot to do with the Euro. Then in Pottery Barn, they are down $36 million and that is units and then partially offset by increased cost and a little bit of a mix shift. So when you look at the inventory in total, we are extremely pleased with how it is coming down and how it is rationally coming down. On the inventory reserve, we are definitely in a good -- we think we are in a good place. We have our -- if you look at our policies on inventory, we have some aging issues and when they hit the aging, of course we take the reserve. That is our policy, so we don’t see any big exposures there. Now, when we look at our gross margin as we go into the fourth quarter and for the year, we do expect that one of the biggest contributors, the biggest contributor is actually going to be deleverage of occupancy if we run those comps but we have taken into account, we’re not quantifying it per se but we have taken into account an expectation of higher markdowns in all brands.

Operator

Operator

We’ll take our next question from Budd Bugatch with Raymond James.

Budd Bugatch - Raymond James

Analyst · Raymond James

Good morning and thank you for taking my question as well. You had indicated I think, Laura, that furniture was better than -- the hard lines was better than the soft lines. Any help you can give us in quantifying that, on giving maybe color on average ticket versus traffic, particularly at retail? And the second question, maybe for Howard in the longer term, with the reduction in square footage going forward, what’s the persistence of that and in which brands might that reduction most effect?

Sharon L. McCollam

Management

Howard, would you like to take the question?

W. Howard Lester

Management

I’ll take the second part. Well, I think it would affect our Pottery Barn brands the most because we are doing the worst there, so we’ll be more cautious there. As we have opportunities for Williams-Sonoma stores, where we are highly confident that they are going to make our pro forma and it’s a brand average or better, we’ll certainly continue to do those. West Elm, we’re probably a little more cautious on just because of the potential of the environment having a more adverse effect on those stores but we are continuing to open West Elm stores in those locations where we feel highly confident that they are going to work. So that’s kind of the way we are going to be thinking about that but I think the overall thing that I was trying to say is that in this kind of environment, we just -- we’re not too keen on opening stores. We’re trying to focus on getting all of our current businesses really working and unless the real estate transaction is pretty compelling, we probably won’t be doing them until we see some real change in the economic environment.

Sharon L. McCollam

Management

And Budd, in the actual numbers that we put out there for next year, about half of that square footage is in West Elm.

Laura J. Alber

Management

Budd, your first question about furniture versus the other categories, furniture is also down but it is only down single versus double-digit and in kids it’s stronger, even than in Pottery Barn. And we’ve looked at this every which way to understand what could possibly be going on and the thing that makes the most common sense to us is that the customer is more careful and they are making investments in things that will last longer. And they are not doing as much of the -- you know, if you think about all the purchases you make when you move, whether a lot of our businesses are fueled by -- you know, you buy a bigger house, you have more bedrooms, you have more bathrooms, and you redo those entire rooms and as people stay put more and redecorate, you know, they replace their family room sofa, they replace their media cabinet. They don’t necessarily replace all the windows in their house every year like they used to or their bedding. You can kind of shut that door in your house and people don’t go in there as much. So furniture is down but not to the same extent and we are careful on that because it’s a big [inaudible] for us and it’s a big inventory investment but we are also very aggressive with our merchandising strategy there and looking at what’s selling and building on that, and we have some great programs that are very beautiful and different in the marketplace and really true to who we are in our current assortment in our stores, and you are going to see us expand those from a simple dining room table to a coffee table, to a media cabinet. And that’s what we’ve always done and I’m really pleased that we have some new programs that we can build on like that, because that gives us some more stability into the future. And also, you know, I think it’s particularly pleasing given how promotional the environment is on furniture and we haven’t done the sweeping promotions as other competitors have and I think we are holding up pretty well comparatively.

Operator

Operator

We’ll take our next question from Alan Rifkin with Merrill Lynch.

Alan Rifkin - Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Merrill Lynch

Thank you very much. Howard, you mentioned that your emerging brand revenues are up 15.9%, yet it looks like square footage growth year-over-year is almost double that, north of 30. Can you maybe just -- which would imply negative double-digit comps at the emerging brands. Can you maybe just first of all verify if in fact our math is correct? And then secondly, as you look at the longer term potential for emerging brands, are you still as euphoric over the long-term opportunity for West Elm today that you were years ago?

W. Howard Lester

Management

Let me take Home first and then we’ll come to West Elm, the more important of the two. Home is actually having a pretty good year from a comp basis. I think -- what are we, Dave, we’re --

David DeMattei

Management

We were flat.

W. Howard Lester

Management

We’re basically flat, I think it’s down one, up one, so Home is actually -- we’ve made a great deal amount of progress and I think the reason for that is that they are up above the people who have been reacting the most negatively to this economic environment we’re in. It’s a much more affluent customer that’s probably shopping Home and of course it’s a smaller group of stores. With respect to West Elm, first of all just our comps for the year are low- to mid-single-digits down. But when we look at the -- and we’ve got some stores in there that we did early on that we know were bad -- you know, not the best locations for us, not the best choices for us. So those are having an adverse effect -- I’m getting a lot of information here -- those are having an adverse effect on us. And then of course in Florida, which is one of the places that’s really been hit, particularly South Florida, where we have three now really strong stores for us that were very big volume stores for West Elm, they’ve been hurt down there more than the norm and so that’s had a big impact on us. On the stores that we are watching, where we now have kind of zeroed in and learned from our real estate learnings really over the past four or five years of opening these stores, we’re particularly pleased with those stores. I mean, our Chelsea store in New York is phenomenal. Really, there’s no other word for it and it’s growing every year. We’ll be opening a second store in Manhattan spring up on Broadway near the Time-Warner building, across the street there. And in our stores like Dallas and various locations around the country, we’re doing very well. So pretty much we’ve been hurt there in those locations, which kind of follows Pottery Barn where the housing market has been the worst, so that would be places like Southern California, Nevada, South Florida, Georgia to some extent in Atlanta, although that’s improving recently, and we had a concentration of stores in those markets so it’s kind of skewed those numbers that way. But I would say overall on West Elm, we’re feeling pretty good and I think the brand is getting better. Our team in New York is a terrific team of product development people. I think every season the merchandise gets better, so we’re really quite pleased with West Elm.

Sharon L. McCollam

Management

And then Alan, I would only add to that that when you are taking those metrics, you’ve got to keep in mind the direct-to-customer businesses in both West Elm and in Home, and in Home particularly, our catalog circulation optimization strategy was put into Williams-Sonoma Home and so they made a deliberate decision to cut circ and sales, so that is another reason for that number to be lower. That’s the other side of it, so when you are looking at the whole brand and just trying to divide it by square footage when these brands are so much smaller than the other brands, that math is a little bit challenging.

Operator

Operator

We’ll take our next question from Michael Lasser with Lehman Brothers.

Michael Lasser - Lehman Brothers

Analyst · Lehman Brothers

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. With the decision to retain the promotional and merchandising strategies, how do you think about the risk that you might be losing out on a portion of your customer base in a structural way, such that you won’t benefit when the market rebounds -- folks who have been going and finding different price points at other merchants might be fearful or might be less apt to come back once conditions improve. And then secondly, can you talk about how, with regard to the deterioration that you witnessed throughout the quarter, did that -- was that consistent with the broader trends in that some of the hard line goods held up relatively well and it was -- the deterioration was more pronounced in the traffic-driven categories? And then finally, if I really quickly could, once you get through the circulation optimization program and the benefits from reduced returns, are there other cost-saving strategies on the horizon that you can begin to talk about?

Sharon L. McCollam

Management

Absolutely. Laura is going to start out with addressing your question regarding pricing strategy for the Pottery Barn brands, then Dave will take it for Sonoma, and then we’ll move on to the other questions. So Laura, would you take that, please?

Laura J. Alber

Management

I want to first clarify -- we are more promotional than last year and that’s because we are very aggressive with our inventory management and sales are slower, so you have to take more markdowns. We’re taking them where we need to take them and we are not over-bought, so we don’t have the sweeping markdowns that you see in other brands that I think are in much worse shape and that’s hard to compete with. However, taking big sweeping markdowns in some of these lower margin goods is not really a sustainable strategy. We will take them where we have products that don’t sell and we are seeing lift from that, so I don’t think that it becomes a competitive disadvantage. I actually believe that it’s really important not to just have sales, as I said, at any cost but to have a model that is sustainable and we will continue to take the markdowns that we need to take to clear inventory seasonally and to bring in merchandise that will sell better. You asked a second question about deterioration throughout the quarter and it really was across all categories equally. The one noticeable difference is transactions down a little bit more than AUR but it wasn’t that obvious. So it’s really across the board and kind of leading us to the conclusion, if you look at all the brands also on a map and where the brands are down more, it seems to be a very similar trend to where we see the housing markets most difficult in the country.

David DeMattei

Management

And the only thing I can add to that, Michael, is that we constantly merchandise into our trends and we are very confident in our merchandising strategies. We take appropriate price action where we need to. We manage our inventories, manage our receipt flow and merchandise the store so we are constantly looking at that and making adjustments and refinements to our merchandise to merchandise into trends.

Sharon L. McCollam

Management

And then, Michael, Pat Connolly is going to talk about additional opportunities in direct-to-customer advertising costs.

Patrick J. Connolly

Analyst · Lehman Brothers

Michael, we have a couple of things that we are really focusing on, particularly in electronic direct marketing. We are really focusing on both our search engine marketing in terms of both SEM and paid search and in natural search. Our SEM revenue is up significantly this year. We have implemented a new e-mail delivery platform that Howard and Laura and Dave have talked about, in terms of more personalized messaging, and we are really seeing double-digit increases in the returns there and we are really just getting started. And lastly, we are beginning to work more in affiliate marketing and we are very selective about the affiliates we work with but we have not participated in that to any great degree and in many companies, it’s 8% of their e-commerce revenue, so that represents an opportunity for us there as well. And all of those have ad costs associated with them that are significantly lower than catalog advertising costs.

Sharon L. McCollam

Management

And then the final question was, and then are there other opportunities that we have from an operating margin expansion point of view, and the answer to that is yes. In our returns, replacements, damages and sourcing area, we have made some substantial investments, also in transportation. The 40 basis points that we saw in replacements and damages we see continuing to expand that number. This 100 basis points in returns, we are not satisfied with 100 basis points and we are going to continue to push that number and have plans in place and can already see it happening, so those are two areas that on the transportation side, we are doing additional in-store things out of our furniture hubs, which is allowing us to be able to reduce our transportation cost and at the same time reduce the damages that are occurring. And lastly, we, with our focus on inventory turns as we go into 2009, we have already this year gotten out of one of our distribution centers, the east coast distribution center, which was an off-site facility and as we continue to do that, that will allow us to better leverage our occupancy costs. So as I said in my prepared remarks, there are no stones being unturned and we already have traction on all of these initiatives.

Operator

Operator

We’ll take our next question from Chris Horvers with J.P. Morgan.

Chris Horvers - J.P. Morgan

Analyst · J.P. Morgan

Thanks and good morning. First a follow-up question on the SG&A side -- how much -- presumably some of your stores hit minimum staffing levels on the Pottery Barn side during the tough months. How much do you need to flex up payroll into the seasonality in the back half? Is it different from trend, presumably? And then, as a follow-up, it sounds like the markdowns were more sever on the Pottery Barn side of the equation. How much do you think that could be representative of this competitive encroachment you’ve been -- you know, the design and the fashion has been mimicked for years and you’ve sped it up to try to stay ahead of it. Is there anything to think about there?

Sharon L. McCollam

Management

Okay. Laura, would you speak to Pottery Barn payroll, and Dave, you can speak to it in your brands, and then Laura, you can take the markdowns for Pottery Barn, so Laura, why don’t you take that?

Laura J. Alber

Management

On the payroll side, we run payroll as a percent of sales so we predict our sales trends by store, by week, and almost by day, and then we adjust up and down based on trend. So as you go into Christmas, it’s a matter of putting in the right numbers for your volumes and then working on what that looks like from a staffing perspective. And we are only at minimums in a couple of Pottery Barn stores, more in Kids, and we are very careful not to cut our service, so we are balancing that but making sure that we have our best teams on the floor during peak hours and that we are really using that payroll efficiently and also cutting back on the workload that’s non-selling for our stores to manage it so that we can focus on our customer, because we really know and we believe strongly that service is one of our key competitive advantages in this time, where many retailers are cutting back so severely on their payroll that the service in the malls is really deteriorating. This is a great advantage for us.

David DeMattei

Management

The only thing I have to add, I mean, payroll management is something that our field organization does every day and we have a great field organization in all of our brands, and we basically in Sonoma, seasonal is a major component of our business and we will gear up to that accordingly and as Laura said, we look at our sales trends, our management, and we hire accordingly. The great thing about Sonoma is it has a very loyal customer base and a very loyal employee base. We have a lot of part-timers who come back to us and we’re very flexible at the holiday season, so that is something we’ve done for years and we will continue to manage. Howard, do you have something to add to that?

W. Howard Lester

Management

I was just going to add that you have to remember here, our store volumes are significant enough that on a per-store basis that we don’t run into the minimum question as much as others who would have a much lower average sales per store. You know, we may have, as Laura said, just a handful of those where we are challenged, particularly in kids, but other than that, we don’t run into that. It’s -- you know, sometimes we have to do a little surgical work with the management group in the store when we have run negative comps for a while but it’s not a huge challenge for us.

Laura J. Alber

Management

On your second question, Chris, our sales are not what we forecast so we have more markdowns to reflect the sales not selling at regular price. On the more strategic question about the product aesthetic and the knock-offs in the market, it’s clear that there has been a lot more Pottery Barn knock-offs in the market and we have clearly identified our need to differentiate ourselves and we’ve introduced new products, new marketing, and a new floor set strategy. And we know that there’s probably some fine-tuning to make to the adjustments that we’ve made in this fall season but we are sticking with our longer vision to own the American home furnishings market in America by offering relevant, well-made casual home furnishings through our three channel strategy and that’s what we are doing. We’re really focused on it, steady as she goes, and every month we are evaluating what’s selling and how we adjust our product lines to better take advantage of that and where we miss, we take markdowns.

Sharon L. McCollam

Management

And then the question, Chris, that you didn’t ask and I think it’s something that we are particularly proud of is that we also have another very large payroll base which is in our distribution centers and our call centers, and they too have very sophisticated labor scheduling and a tremendous amount of flexibility built into their model, so as a result of that, each quarter so far this year where the sales have been obviously below our expectations, they have been able to come in and improve productivity in the distribution side or in the call centers able to adjust that payroll. So that is -- those two payrolls are a significant piece of our payroll as well.

Operator

Operator

And that does conclude today’s question-and-answer session. I’ll turn the call back over to Mr. Lester for closing remarks.

W. Howard Lester

Management

Well, I just want to thank all of you for joining us this morning for the second quarter earnings conference call and we appreciate your time and support and patience, particularly as we work through this difficult period and we’ll talk to you again next quarter. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

And that does conclude today’s conference. Thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day.