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Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Fri, Oct 30, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. And welcome to the WisdomTree Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session, and instructions will be given at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today’s conference, WisdomTree Investor Relations, Stuart Bell. Please go ahead, sir.

Stuart Bell

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning. Before we begin, I would like to reference our legal disclaimer available in today’s presentation. This presentation may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, which are generally identified by terms such as believe, expect, anticipate, and similar expressions suggesting future outcomes or events. Forward-looking statements reflect our current expectations regarding future events and operating performance, and they speak only as of the date when made. Forward-looking statements are subject to numerous assumptions, risks and uncertainties, which may prove to be incorrect. Such statements should not be read as guarantees of future results and will not necessarily be accurate indications of whether or not, or the times at or by which, these results will be achieved. A number of factors could cause actual results to differ materially from the results discussed in our forward-looking statements, including but not limited to, the risks set forth in this presentation and the Risk Factors section of the company’s annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2014. Now it is my pleasure to turn the call over to WisdomTree’s CFO, Amit Muni.

Amit Muni

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open

Thank you, Stuart, and good morning, everyone. Before getting into our results, let me give you a quick summary. This quarter we generated solid financial results despite operating in the challenging environment. Our ability reflects when market change has clearly been demonstrated this quarter. We won't let short-term volatility change our focus on executing our important long-term growth plans. To-date we have launched 13 new ETFs, including three yesterday. We continue expanding our sales force to go deeper and broader in channels where we compete and into new channels, and we look for strategic opportunities to expand our product offering such our acquisition of the GreenHaven Commodity ETFs we announced this morning. This is resulted in our ability to generate a 52% pretax margin on our U.S. business and a capital return through our usual quarterly dividend, plus the special dividend this quarter of $0.25 to reflect the operating efficiency of our business model. And lastly, this week has turned out well as we have taken in over $600 million so far. Now let’s get into the result for the quarter, beginning by first reviewing the U.S. ETF industry statistics. Turning to slide three, industry flows increased slightly from the second quarter to $44.3 billion. Fixed income and U.S. equities were the flow leader this quarter. Of note, three S&P 500 ETFs took in 77% of the flows in U.S. equity this quarter. You can see in the bottom that emerging market equities continued to experience outflows as it’s been the case for the last several quarters. On the next slide, you can review our operating results. Our AUM decreased to $53 billion at the end of the quarter primarily due to $7.6 billion of negative market movement and $700 million of net outflows. The markets response to the slowdown…

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open

Thank you, Amit. Good morning everyone. First, we are encouraged by the positive inflows this week which Amit just reviewed as part of the fourth quarter update. The fourth quarter flows are not yet positive with $620 million so far this week led by HEDJ with $376 million and DXJ with $284 million is certainly welcome momentum. As already discussed, the third quarter was challenging certainly from a market movement flow perspective but we entered the quarter from a position of tremendous strength and record assets. The strong financial results we demonstrate, demonstrates the strength, scale and efficiency of our business. Not only can we add weather adverse markets, we -- our strong balance sheet and our strong cash generation means we can continue to invest in our core business, maintain robust capital return program and we can make strategic investments in new geographies like our recently opened Japan office and new asset classes like today's announcement of the acquisition of Greenhaven commodities. We continue to see so much opportunity, make no mistake. There is a revolution underway in asset management and ETS are leading the charge. The movement towards transparency of fees and transparency of holdings hallmarks to the ETF structure is common sense, universal and irreversible. It is amongst the reasons why the ETF industry is poised for massive future growth. We are continuing to invest in our platform. We are expanding our teams in the United States, Europe and Japan. We currently have 164 people worldwide, a record and we had 82 ETFs in the United States, also a record for WistdomTree after this week's three new fund launches. In summary, we are demonstrating an ability to profitably grow the business, reinvest for future growth and return surplus capital to our shareholders. With that, let's open up the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Surinder Thind with Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Surinder Thind

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open

Good morning guys.

Amit Muni

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open

Good morning, Surinder.

Surinder Thind

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open

I’d like to start with just your thoughts on capital return. How did you guys decide on a special dividend versus may be an increase to the quarterly dividend or perhaps balancing that against the share repurchases?

Amit Muni

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open

Sure, Surinder. When we think about capital return, the various tools that we have available to us and we are going to pick the best tool that we think at the time. When we looked at, maybe possibly doing a buyback versus doing a special, I think there were probably three things going on and that affected our decision to lean more toward the special dividend versus a buyback. There has been a lot of volatility in the markets. As you know, our stock was extremely volatile. There is a lot of macro uncertainty, what was going on with rates given the Fed meeting is coming up and then just particular, the thoughts we were going up against the close of our trading window, one we could actually buy back stocks. So when we looked at altogether, we felt the best way to return the excess capital back to our shareholders was through the special dividend.

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open

Surinder, let me -- this is Jon. Let me just emphasize one thing. Our capital management program is so new that there really isn't enough history for you to make any assumptions. I'm sure that the components will shift over time depending upon market sentiment and circumstances. The only thing I would have you take away is WisdomTree's investor friendly approach to our capital management and how we are committed to being a capital issue firm.

Surinder Thind

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open

That’s helpful. And then maybe one additional follow-on question here. Can you maybe spread a little bit more color around the Greenhaven acquisition? Why is this the right transaction at this point, the timing of it and maybe how that fits into the big picture in terms of your outlook for the commodity space in general and how much -- how big that market might be relative to maybe the other markets?

Amit Muni

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open

Sure, Surinder. So we’re excited about the acquisition of Greenhaven. We’ve been talking about for quite some time that we do have a lot of hole in products set, which is particularly commodities and we've been looking at various ways to solve that. And we’ve felt in this case with the Greenhaven fund, it’s got a great track record because of a very well-known benchmark. It is already on platforms and commodities are out of favor right now. And we think, being able to get a product like this, that's very unique. It’s a broad-based basket and with the addition of our salesforce behind it, when commodities come back in favor, we think we could have a very unique product that could help diversify our product offerings and grow, I mean, at one point GCC was close to $1 billion in AUM when commodities were in favor, when it didn't really have the salesforce behind it. So we’re excited about the opportunity that over time we think it should be a very interesting product for us.

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open

And Surinder, let me just add that one key to this was that commodities were out of trough making it sort of an affordable acquisition. Also just for your knowledge, GCC has never had a salesforce against it. And so we do think that this has some greater potential than they’ve been able to demonstrate on their own.

Surinder Thind

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open

Okay. That's very helpful. Thank you guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Craig Siegenthaler from Credit Suisse. Your line is now open.

Craig Siegenthaler

Analyst · Craig Siegenthaler from Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

Thanks. Good morning.

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Craig Siegenthaler from Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

Good morning Craig.

Craig Siegenthaler

Analyst · Craig Siegenthaler from Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

So if we go through a 6 to 12 month period where European equities outperform with the euro also rebounds versus the dollar. Internally do you view this as a positive scenario for HEDJ?

Luciano Siracusano

Analyst · Craig Siegenthaler from Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

Hi. This is Luciano speaking. A lot of HEDJ obviously has been driven by investor sentiment and expectations towards the euro. All I would say is that we've had some periods where the euro has strengthened and hedged has been able to maintain a good deal of its assets. So, I think that thesis still remains to be tested, what happens to hedged in a rising euro environment. Don’t forget when hedge is long the stops, it benefits from the European equity market going up. So, I think up to this point, we’ve seen hedged hold on to its assets even in the few periods where the euro had a short rally. But we’ve also diversified our product stuff. So there is plenty of other products that WisdomTree offers that would benefit very well from a European recovery and from a rising euro. We also have a portion unhedged offerings suite of European equity tests as well.

Craig Siegenthaler

Analyst · Craig Siegenthaler from Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

Got it. And just as my follow-up. You continue to see a nice ramp here in your European ETF flows. Can you provide any thoughts on when profitability will reflect here and turn positive?

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Craig Siegenthaler from Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

Hey Craig. So, a lot of it -- it will depend on the types of product that taking the flows. The Boost ETP is our much more profitable for us than the use of fund. But let’s just rewind a little bit. In April of last year, when we acquired the business, we put in $20 million. We think that’s how much capital needs to get breakeven in about four years. And I say right now, we are on track with that. The business is about a little over $700 million of AUM as of this morning and it’s on track as what we had planned. So think about another three years from now, probably we are getting close to breakeven.

Craig Siegenthaler

Analyst · Craig Siegenthaler from Credit Suisse. Your line is now open

Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Bill Katz with Citigroup. Your line is now open.

Bill Katz

Analyst · Bill Katz with Citigroup. Your line is now open

Okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate the nice update. Could you talk about margins for just a second? You mentioned -- you are probably right. The lower end of your strategic spend on timing and now you are saying you provide guidance as we get to the end of the year and early part of next year. Can you talk about from an initiative perspective of what you might -- the folks might be next year and what if any of these expenses might spill into next year as a result of that?

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Bill Katz with Citigroup. Your line is now open

Sure, Bill. So, we will give more color to expense and strategic growth spending next year on our next call. But I wouldn't expect it to be that different than what we’ve done over the last couple years, right. Continuing to innovative on products, continuing to launch bonds. We will look at what headcount related initiatives that we will have but we will give more update then. As far as spillover, obviously the things that we're spending now. Headcount will obviously -- the ramp up that we are seeing there will spillover but of course we are hoping to see revenue generation from the expansion of our sales force. Our marketing and sales related spending, a portion of that is discretionary, a portion of that will carry over. Some of it will depend on market conditions and the like. So, again, we'll have to give you a little more updates once we have sort of full year thoughts on our next call.

Bill Katz

Analyst · Bill Katz with Citigroup. Your line is now open

Okay. And then just staying on that same theme. You did a very nice job defending the gross margin this particular, despite the volatility in AUM. So the underlying dynamics of that and beyond your intermediate term guidance you provide say how you are thinking about that longer term?

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Bill Katz with Citigroup. Your line is now open

Sure. So, gross margin particularly this quarter increased. We have a particular expense that we pay. There is a regulatory fee that’s paid, that’s related to inflow levels. So when we have outflows, we don’t incur that expense. So, we see the benefit of that. As the AUM scales, we will see incremental increases in our gross margin but it will have to continue to scale at a higher point than what we are seeing now. And so, 85% to 87%, the guidance that we are giving is a good number that we think for the short-term and if we see changes to that, as we have done in the past, we will give you an update on how we see that gross margin changing.

Bill Katz

Analyst · Bill Katz with Citigroup. Your line is now open

Got you. If I could just ask one more, thanks for taking all my questions. There has been a ramp up in the number of players just entering the space and they’ve made some move. You talked about getting ready to launch some things in the next, this quarter I guess. And you are doing very well with DXJ and HEDJ. What’s your thoughts about stepping up marketing. Obviously, you put the infrastructure in place of sales people around the world. But just maybe stepping to marketing spend a little bit more to potentially accelerate market share gains?

Amit Muni

Analyst · Bill Katz with Citigroup. Your line is now open

Hi, Bill. I think we are a very effective marketer. We are making investments in marketing. Some of it you might not -- it's not necessarily what you will see on television. We do a significant demand of online marketing. We do a lot of events. So, we are really invested and covering the market I think extremely well. What I don’t think you will see though is us going away from marketing towards the advisor towards the retail investor. That’s a step up of magnitude when you go towards sporting events and things like that. I don’t see that in the near term as one of our focuses. So, if the assets continued to grow as a percentage, marketing should continue to decline but we should. In absolute terms, marketing will continue to grow.

Bill Katz

Analyst · Bill Katz with Citigroup. Your line is now open

Okay. Thanks for taking my questions, Amit.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Adam Beatty with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is now open.

Adam Beatty

Analyst · Adam Beatty with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is now open

Thank you and good morning.

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Adam Beatty with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is now open

Good morning.

Adam Beatty

Analyst · Adam Beatty with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is now open

Just a follow-up on GreenHaven, struck by their commodity focus and Boost also having some commodity products. Not sure if you see maybe some marketing synergies there, maybe other synergies in terms of the overall WisdomTree out, kind of universe of product offerings. Just would like to get your thoughts on that. Thanks.

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Adam Beatty with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is now open

I think we are excited that we are building out commodity exposures and you are right that much of Boost’s increase in AUM is on leveraged commodity exposures. I'm not sure that there is real marketing synergy but there is sort of knowledge synergy as we continue to put emphasis and build physical, mental, personnel support within the space. So, I think that’s where we will see the synergy.

Adam Beatty

Analyst · Adam Beatty with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is now open

Excellent. That makes sense. Thanks. And just maybe a follow-up around competition. Kind of what you've seen so far, the fee rate continues to be kind of strong so no pressure there maybe. But have you seen others, kind of in the institutional marketplace, in your sales efforts or what have you and would you see the impact if any so far?

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Adam Beatty with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is now open

There is a couple of things with respect to competition. So, first, if you're talking -- taking the competition from the perspective of new entrants, I would say fundamentally nothing has changed. The players already in the market today, which includes WisdomTree, they’re the ones that are moving the fastest, the most aggressive. So that dynamic really hasn’t changed. Though when you see things like Legg Mason getting into the business and Goldman Sachs getting into the business, you can only see that there is just this increasing critical mass, which is helping to just expand the price. We’re excited about that. Now the way that we compete is always through innovative product. I mean, when you talk about the compression, low fee beta and sort of commoditization of indexing was a reality from day one. That’s why we chose the business model that we have and by that I mean, self indexing. So again, we always compete through innovation. Innovation differentiated product, we try to be first to market. So from a fee standpoint, we’re not immune to the pressures but we have to be amongst the best positioned of all of the asset managers if not the single best positioned for this dynamic.

Adam Beatty

Analyst · Adam Beatty with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is now open

Great. That’s very helpful. Thanks for taking my question.

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Adam Beatty with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is now open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Robert Lee with KBW. Your line is open.

Robert Lee

Analyst · Robert Lee with KBW. Your line is open

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Good morning. All of my questions have been asked but maybe one kind of -- another one on the competitive universe. Just kind of curious, I mean, obviously, we’ve seen increased product offerings and Smart Beta, currency hedged during the U.S. But can you maybe talk about if you’re starting to see more of that kind of globally in Europe and particularly in the Smart Beta spaces? Obviously, it feels like it’s much less -- I will use the word mature in more immature market. But if you can maybe, comparing compressed, kind of the new product competitive environment in the two markets?

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Robert Lee with KBW. Your line is open

So, your two questions was not so easy to hear, so let me just reiterate. So your question really dealt with and you might want to mute your phone. The question dealt with product competition in Smart Beta, Currency Hedge, maybe with respect to Europe. And what I would say is WisdomTree has been very, very early in both of those trends. It's nice to see the market acceptance and you are seeing marketing acceptance now. When you say Smart Beta, Smart Beta is a catch phrase, virtually for just innovation. It certainly means alternative weighting systems. And it's also incorporating things like hedging out durational currency as well. These innovations are really being accepted around the world, which is very, very positive for WisdomTree. Again, like I talked about people entering the ETF market, people entering Smart Beta and Currency Hedge is also very constructive for expanding the total pie. I think that these are very, very positive exposures that are offering choice to the market and plays to some of our strength. So in one sense, competition is a challenge. In another, it is very constructive for WisdomTree’s message. And I don't think the dynamic has particularly changed much over the last few quarters.

Robert Lee

Analyst · Robert Lee with KBW. Your line is open

Greate. That’s was all I had. Thanks for taking my question.

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Robert Lee with KBW. Your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Chris Shutler with William Blair. Your line is now open.

Chris Shutler

Analyst · Chris Shutler with William Blair. Your line is now open

Hey, guys. Good morning.

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Chris Shutler with William Blair. Your line is now open

Good morning, Chris.

Chris Shutler

Analyst · Chris Shutler with William Blair. Your line is now open

So, first, Amit, on the comp expense, could you just help us think through the sequential increase from Q2 to Q3 of about $500,000 in the U.S. Just trying to understand the magnitude of impact that the various factors you laid out had to the headcount growth, the stock-based comp and the lower incentive comp? And probably, more importantly, trying to think out, I know you are not giving guidance on ’16. But can you help us frame kind of the baseline level of comp before we get into the all the incentive stuff? Thanks.

Amit Muni

Analyst · Chris Shutler with William Blair. Your line is now open

Sure. So, let me take that last piece first. So conceptionally speaking, we’ve always said, all of our expenses should decline as a percentage of revenue as our revenues continue to scale, that just the way our business model works. This year, we’ve made a significant increase in our headcount as we have planed to do particularly in sales and so, some of that -- a lot of that is going to carry forward into 2016. So a lot of this will really have to depend on sort of where we end up for the year and what our plans are for 2016 to really see if that trend will continue on the comp line, maybe it stays flat for awhile, maybe it will come down a little bit, maybe not as much, what we have seen in the past. But you’ll have to wait till our next call, so I can give you a little bit more clarity on that. As far as the sequential change Q2 to Q3, yeah, so we have some ups and downs. We don’t give too much inside guidance of what's moving in there, but just to talk a little bit about the components. So, yes, we did have an increase in headcount this year and we are seeing the full quarter effect of that carry forward into Q3. And then, we had the stock compensation increase. We had a great first half performance in current equity, so we saw an up-tick in that in Q3 expenses. And then offsetting some of that is a decrease in our incentive comp because of the fact that we had outflows in Q3. So those are the three main components. And, I guess, I think the key is to just think about full year -- on a full year basis the number that we’re talking about the 21% to 25%, I think, are going to be close to the high-end of that range.

Chris Shutler

Analyst · Chris Shutler with William Blair. Your line is now open

Okay. Thanks. And then, I also want to touch on the capital allocation again. When did do your repurchase window close in the quarter?

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Chris Shutler with William Blair. Your line is now open

Two days prior, a couple of days prior, a few days prior to the Fed meeting.

Chris Shutler

Analyst · Chris Shutler with William Blair. Your line is now open

Okay. So, okay, make sense. If you do have a period there then from late August to lets call it mid-September when the stock was in kind of that 15 to 19 range. And I guess, the expectation would have been that given the buyback you would have bought back more stock then.

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Chris Shutler with William Blair. Your line is now open

Yeah.

Chris Shutler

Analyst · Chris Shutler with William Blair. Your line is now open

Not really a question more of an observation.

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Chris Shutler with William Blair. Your line is now open

Yeah.

Chris Shutler

Analyst · Chris Shutler with William Blair. Your line is now open

And then, on, I guess, lastly, just wanted to touch on the GreenHaven acquisition. I mean, should we view that more as just acquiring a couple of unique ETFs in the commodity space or is this in fact the start of a much more material effort in commodity?

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Chris Shutler with William Blair. Your line is now open

No. I think that we have been talking about for quite some time that we knew we had a hole in the commodities bucket in our products that and we were looking for a very unique way of filling that and this was one way of filling it. A broad basket of commodities we think is to be very -- is very unique and we worked well when paired up with our other products. So I wouldn’t say this is some sort of shift, its just we think a very good way to add a product in the asset allocations place.

Chris Shutler

Analyst · Chris Shutler with William Blair. Your line is now open

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Alex Blostein

Analyst · Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Great. Thanks. Good morning everybody. A couple questions for you guys around the ETF industry and some of the regulatory observations, both in the U.S. and Europe. I guess, on the U.S. front, given how close you are marketing and financial advisors, just curious what you are hearing on the DOL front, whether or not people started to reposition their businesses already. Do you think that's going to come? What does it mean for your business? What does it mean for the ETF industry? So that's question number one, and then I have another one for Europe.

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

The potential of the DOL fiduciary were being established, I’m not sure people have started to reposition their portfolios. But you could -- we would internally review that as extremely positive for the ETF industry. And consistent with the trends that you're seeing, that it’s really in the interest -- best interest of investors to be in the most transparent, most liquid, most tax efficient structures. And I mean it's really just sort of common sense that this will continue. But regulatory catalysts really focused the advisors attention and so you might actually see accelerated growth from something like that, if it were to take place.

Alex Blostein

Analyst · Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Got you. And then on MiFID IIs, we’ve got some final rules couple weeks ago or a precursor to final rules maybe a couple weeks ago. But obviously, one of the big changes is ETF's trading over-the-counter to exchange listed. Help us think through that framework, and what it means for the ETF industries there. Does that accelerate growth in ETF adoption in Europe in any sort of way or is it more just more of a market structure shift, and doesn't necessarily impact the asset gathering component of it? Thanks.

Amit Muni

Analyst · Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Hey Alex. We think it is positive but what it does, there is lot of the ETF trading that’s happening off the exchanges. So there is question of how much liquidity are there -- is there in ETFs? Can I get this trade done? We think putting it on to an exchange platform having met liquidity available for everyone so people can see it. We think this is a growth driver for the ETF industry in Europe.

Alex Blostein

Analyst · Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Got you. And you know, actually, one more, if I could squeeze this in -- looks like you guys are listing three different ETFs, doing ETFs on BATS; and they have been, obviously, pretty competitive on the pricing front. Is that a start of future -- should we view that, I guess, as a change in how you view different listing venues? What kind of benefits are you guys getting from listing on BATS, aside from obviously just the pricing? And should we think of that as a source of potential cost savings, going forward?

Amit Muni

Analyst · Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Sure, Alex. Yes. Obviously, it is very normal that BATS got some pretty attractive pricing for listing ETFs on their exchange. They are making a big push for that. I would say, if anything, it just really is about diversifying, where our products are listed. We have a big offering on NYSE. We have a good number of funds listed on NASDAQ. And we think from a diversification standpoint, it is good to -- there are trading venue that’s out there for ETFs. It’s really nothing more special than that.

Alex Blostein

Analyst · Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mac Sykes with Gabelli. Your line is open.

Mac Sykes

Analyst · Mac Sykes with Gabelli. Your line is open

Congratulations on the acquisition. My question around that is, as we begin the -- as you begin bringing on these commodity funds, how does that impact your compliance costs, operations, etcetera? Is this really a material dynamic change at all?

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Mac Sykes with Gabelli. Your line is open

No. So today we are already a commodity pool operator because of two of our ETFs. So no, there is really no change really from a compliance perspective for us as result of that.

Amit Muni

Analyst · Mac Sykes with Gabelli. Your line is open

And because of that, I would say the integration risk is extraordinarily low, no people, two funds, bolts on to our infrastructure.

Mac Sykes

Analyst · Mac Sykes with Gabelli. Your line is open

Great. Thanks. Nice quarter.

Amit Muni

Analyst · Mac Sykes with Gabelli. Your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Michael Cyprys with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Michael Cyprys

Analyst · Michael Cyprys with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open

Hi. Good morning. I just have a two-part question. I'm curious if you could first share your latest thoughts about increasing penetration among the different distribution channels. And then secondly, certainly a lot of flows going to ETFs the past couple of years, but the distributors don't collect the 12b-1 fees and mutual funds certainly have been challenged on the flow side. So just curious what trends you are seeing from the distributors wanting to take a greater share of economics from the ETFs?

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Michael Cyprys with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open

So ETFs are taking market share. They’re taking market share because it’s just common sense that the newer structure has greater appeal both to the end customer but also to the financial intermediary, who is working in a fee-based model allowing them to make unbelievably precise allocations using these terrific new tools that ETFs represent. In terms of platform access, the industry has always wanted a greater access to the revenue streams of our industry. You have seen some success from distributors, some of the -- like the Schwab’s and Fidelity’s of the world. We will have to wait and see. What I would just say is, what is most important to me with respect to your question is that we don't move this pristine nature of the fee structure. One of the things I think people really fail to recognize in terms of this attractiveness is the transparency of the fee model. So you have fees certainty with almost every ETF. It has a unitary fee. And so there is no like hidden cost to it. It is buyer’s confidence. We want to make sure that we maintain as much of that as possible as in industry. And so that's really the most important thing to me. And then the last point is, however it evolves because of the scale and strength that we have, we are able to participate in the industry, however it evolves.

Michael Cyprys

Analyst · Michael Cyprys with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open

Okay. Thanks.

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Michael Cyprys with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I’m showing no further questions. I would like to turn the call back to WisdomTree for any further remarks.

Jon Steinberg

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open

I just want to thank all of you for your time and attention this morning and we will speak to you in 90 days.