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Watts Water Technologies, Inc. (WTS)

Q4 2024 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 11, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to Watts Water Technologies, Inc. Fourth Quarter and year 2024 earnings call. At the end of the presentation, we will open the line for questions. I will now turn the call over to Diane McClintock, Senior Vice President FBNA and Investor Relations. Thank you, and good morning, everyone.

Diane McClintock

Analyst

Welcome to our fourth quarter and full year 2024 earnings conference call. Joining me today are Bob Pagano, President and CEO, and Shashank Patel, our CFO. During today's call, Bob will provide an overview of 2024 as well as an update on our Shashank will discuss the details of our fourth quarter and full year financial results and provide our outlook for the first quarter and full year 2025. Following our remarks, we will address questions related to the information covered during the call. Today's webcast is accompanied by a presentation. Can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website. We will reference this presentation throughout our prepared remarks. Any reference to non-GAAP financial information is reconciled in the appendix to the presentation. I'd like to remind everyone that during this call, we may be making certain comments that constitute forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties, that could cause actual results to differ materially. For information concerning these risks, please see Watts' publicly available filings with the SEC. The company undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. With that, I'll turn the call over to Bob.

Bob Pagano

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Thank you, Diane, and good morning, everyone. Please turn to Slide three and I'll provide a recap of 2024 and an overview of the key drivers for our 2025 outlook. 2024 was a momentous year for us, marking the 150th anniversary of the company and another year of record performance. I'd like to start by thanking the entire Watts Water team for their tremendous contributions to these results. We finished the year with a solid quarter that exceeded our expectations, including record fourth quarter adjusted operating margin and adjusted EPS. Drove record full year sales, operating income, earnings per share, and free cash flow. Organic sales decreased by 1% largely driven by weakness in Europe and adjusted EPS increased by 7%. Adjusted operating margin decreased only 10 basis points versus the prior year despite 60 basis points of acquisition dilution. Significant volume deleverage from weakness in Europe and incremental investments in our long-term strategy. I generated record free cash flow of $332 million, an increase of 18% with a conversion rate of 114%. Well above our expectations. Our balance sheet remains strong and provides us with the flexibility to continue investing for the future. Strategic M&A, high return investments, competitive dividends, and stable share buybacks remain our top capital allocation priorities. Moving to operations. Over the course of 2024, we were able to drive significant productivity savings through investments in automation, our focus on lean initiatives, both inside and outside the factory walls, leveraging the One Watts performance system and selective restructuring actions. These savings enabled us to mitigate the dilutive impact of acquisitions and the impact of European volume deleverage on our operating margins. We expect to continue investing to enhance productivity in our factories and drive margin expansion. As previously announced, we closed on our acquisition of Icon…

Shashank Patel

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Thank you, Bob. Good morning, everyone. Please now turn to slide four, which highlights our fourth quarter results. Sales of $540 million were down 1% on a reported basis and down 5% organically. As previously discussed, we had fewer shipping days in the fourth quarter, which unfavorably impacted our sales approximately 5% across all regions. Americas organic sales were down 3% and reported sales were up 3%. This was better than expected, particularly with the reduced shipping days. Some of this favorability was a result of several large projects shipping earlier than expected. Sales from our Joe, Sam, and Brandy acquisitions added $23 million. Europe organic and reported sales were down 15% with declines across all geographies due to fewer shipping days, heat pump destocking at our OEM partners in Germany and Italy, and weakness in new construction markets triggering some destocking in the wholesale channel. Apnea delivered 3% organic growth while reported sales growth of 4% was favorably impacted by 1% from foreign exchange movements. Double-digit growth in China and the Middle East was partly offset by declines in Australia and New Zealand, primarily driven by fewer shipping days. Compared to the prior year, adjusted EBITDA of $104 million increased 6% and adjusted EBITDA margins of 19.3% increased 140 basis points. Adjusted operating profit of $91 million increased 5% and adjusted operating margins of 16.8% was up 100 basis points. Adjusted EBITDA and operating income benefited from price productivity, favorable mix, and cost controls, which more than offset inflation, volume deleverage, investments, and acquisition dilution. Americas segment margins increased 160 basis points to 21.8%, Europe segment margins decreased by 480 basis points to 10.2%, and Apnea segment margins increased 480 basis points to 17.5%. Adjusted earnings per share of $2.05 increased 4% versus last year with benefits from acquisition,…

Bob Pagano

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Thanks, Shashank. On slide seven, I'd like to summarize our discussion before we address your questions. We delivered a strong 2024 performance with record sales, operating income, EPS, and free cash flow. While we expect mixed global markets in 2025, our portfolio is agnostic to end markets and our teams will pivot to the growing sub-verticals. Our business model, which includes a large repair and replacement component, provides a durable base that drives a steady revenue and cash flow stream. We continue to invest in our digital strategy, including the recent introductions of Nexa. We look forward to growing this solution to expand our suite of offerings for our customers. We believe our highly experienced team is well-positioned to proactively navigate current market conditions, controlling costs and driving productivity through our One Watts performance system. While capturing our fair share of demand and positioning us to capitalize on long-term secular trends. Our balance sheet continues to be strong after our strategic acquisition of Icon and provides ample flexibility to support our balanced capital allocation priorities. Our acquisition pipeline remains active and will continue to pursue attractive opportunities to expand our solutions, geographic presence, and growth. With that operator, please open the lines for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin our question and answer session. If you have dialed in and would like to ask a question, please press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your questions, simply press star one again. Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of Andrew Creel with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Andrew Creel

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Hi. Thanks. Good morning, everyone. I'm gonna ask on the 80/20 action, which I believe are new for the company. You know, if you do the math, it's like they're about a point of a sales drag for the company this year, which seems relatively normal with 80/20. So can you touch on the margin profile of what you're exiting? Is it fair for us to assume, you know, these could be breakeven margin businesses? And you expect this, you know, the sales track to be done in 2025? Or, you know, could this dynamic happen again in 2026? Thanks.

Bob Pagano

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Good morning, Andrew. Yeah. So 80/20 has been part of the One Watts performance system since I got here eleven years ago. So if you remember, we exited about $175 million in undifferentiated product. So it's in our it's in our arsenal of tools that we use. We call this out specifically because Bradley was a larger acquisition, it's a midsized acquisition, and part of our overall process when we do acquisitions is to really look at their profile and a focus on improving margins and eliminating, you know, products that don't you know, make a lot of money for us or have low margins. So that's all we're trying to do is call that out. These are niche accessory type products and that we're just exiting because it doesn't make sense to do it. So they're basically breakeven products. There's probably another incremental $5 million or $6 million of Bradley that moves into next year, but we called it out just because it was a bigger item this year.

Andrew Creel

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

K. Great. That's helpful. And then just on the I think I noted in the prepared remarks some sales. Shipped a bit earlier in the four q. I just pieceized that and which segment you know, that impacted? Thanks.

Shashank Patel

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Yeah. It's probably in the Americas. This is Shank. It's probably in the Americas, and there was some project pull-ins we had. In our in our commercial business on the on the boiler side. Approximately $4 million is what was pulled in.

Andrew Creel

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Great. Thanks, guys. Your next question comes from the line of Latham Jones with Stifel. Please go ahead. Good morning, everyone.

Latham Jones

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Good morning. Good morning. I guess I'll I guess I'll start with the topic, do jour with the US administration imposing 25% tariffs on aluminum and steel, I'm Watts has had, you know, a very good track record in inflationary periods over the last several years of of being able to pass inflation through to customers, Maybe we're in a little bit, you know, weaker demand environment now. So I mean, just any color you can give us on what your exposure is to those tariffs, how you would plan on dealing with them, and whether or not you think the market is in a position to bear cost increases, not just from you guys, but you know, across Supplies.

Bob Pagano

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Well, Nathan, it's always top of mind for us to stay in front of these type of tariffs, etcetera, and we'll continue to do that. We will be raising prices as soon as, you know, we see these, and we'll be passing them on. Certainly, we don't know the implications of on the construction industry, related to tariffs if that eventually slows things down. Or not. But I think continue with our track record. We'll continue to push, and offset those costs.

Latham Jones

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

So it it would be your intention that you would fully offset any tariff impact with price?

Shashank Patel

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Yes.

Latham Jones

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Okay. Cool. That's the answer I was looking for. I guess maybe on the on the product rationalization side at Bradley, I'm hoping that you could give us a little bit more color on on how you're using 80/20. I mean, you guys have as you said, Bob, you've been using these tools for, you know, ten years. This is the first time you actually called out 80/20. And attributed you know, lost products out to it or product exits to it. Is this something that you're, you know, a tool that you're looking to to use more over the next few years, or is this just you know, maybe it's just because it was $15 million this year, it it was it warranted calling out.

Bob Pagano

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Yeah. I think it was a little better. It was just a bigger amount, and we inherited some backlog from Bradley that went through and stuff that, on a go forward basis, we're gonna do it. We're also looking deeply inside of Europe right now given the market condition and relooking at that in our product portfolio as well as our our footprint. So as we always do. So as we take advantage of opportunities where we see it, when there's sound volume, we continue to look at optimizing as discussed in the closure of this recent France facility. So we're always looking. We're always improving. We're always looking at 80/20 and profitability by customer and channel all the time. So it was just a bigger number, and I thought it was important to call that out and you'll probably see more work inside of Europe as we head into 2026. Can then maybe just one on Icon. You talked about that adding to the digital capabilities of the company. But it sounds like a pretty niche end market going into correctional May, any information you can give us on, you know, valuation of the business and then how you think you can leverage Icon's tech rest of the portfolio. Thanks.

Bob Pagano

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Yeah. I mean, we've agreed not to discuss the purchase price. But I can tell you it's EBITDA neutral for the company. It's clearly less than nine multiple. We paid on it, so it's a good acquisition. We really like ICON because it's a growing market, it's a niche market, but they have controls on the front of the wall products and that's something we're very interested we could leverage through our Nexus system. So that was the appeal to us. It's a growing market and a profitable market. So it's a nice acquisition.

Latham Jones

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

For taking my questions.

Shashank Patel

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brian Blair with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead. Thank you. Morning, everyone.

Brian Blair

Analyst · Brian Blair with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead. Thank you. Morning, everyone

Good morning. I wanted to circle back to That's Bradley n Joseph. And maybe offer a little more of an update on integration there, how the PNL contribution is tracking. Relative to deal model. And if you're willing to disclose, you you'd said this, you know, accessory type products kind of break even. But are you willing to to note which product line specifically Your exiting volume, 80/20 this year.

Bob Pagano

Analyst · Brian Blair with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead. Thank you. Morning, everyone

Yeah. So the acquisitions are going really well. They exceeded both exceeded our profit in synergy targets this year, which is great. And the teams are off to a good start. If we get into the very details, non-core safety products, lockers, and accessories, basically. So those are niches, not all lockers, just a portion of lockers. Of items. So those are the niches that we're looking at. But clearly a focus on growing profit profitability is our focus.

Brian Blair

Analyst · Brian Blair with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead. Thank you. Morning, everyone

Understood. Appreciate the detail. And it would be great to hear more on the the rollout of Nexa. Yeah. The opportunity to to view the dashboard in person yesterday. It's it's it's actually quite impressive. Just curious how how that impacts your your digital strategy now, what you're hearing from customers and obviously, these early stages of the rollout. Any results you can speak to in terms of, you know, value add on the customer side and then perhaps remind us of your run rate SaaS revenue and how know, Nexo should influence that going forward.

Bob Pagano

Analyst · Brian Blair with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead. Thank you. Morning, everyone

Yeah. And we're we're really excited about Nexo, and I'm glad you had the opportunity to take a look at it. It's early stages. We just launched it in August. A lot of trials out there, but many savings from customers you know, in the hospitality. If you go on our website, you can see the customer customer testimonials and case studies. But like any new product, you know, people gotta test it. They gotta try it. They gotta appreciate it. But what's even more important about this product it protects our core products. And as you know, we've been driving this smart and connected initiative for a long time in all of our products are gonna be integrated by the end of this year into the Nexo platform. So we continue to add scale capabilities and haven't heard one customer that has disliked it. So we where our track record is really good, and we're looking forward to scaling it.

Brian Blair

Analyst · Brian Blair with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead. Thank you. Morning, everyone

I appreciate that, Keller. And then just to ask, you know, what is current SaaS revenue?

Bob Pagano

Analyst · Brian Blair with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead. Thank you. Morning, everyone

It's it's not a lot at this point in time. It's a growing part of our business. Our leak detection group has some of that. Some of our other products. But it's it's negligible and we'll be trying to continue to grow that leveraging the Nexa platform.

Brian Blair

Analyst · Brian Blair with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead. Thank you. Morning, everyone

Okay. Understood. Thanks again.

Shashank Patel

Analyst · Brian Blair with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead. Thank you. Morning, everyone

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mike Halloran with Baird. Please go ahead.

Mike Halloran

Analyst · Mike Halloran with Baird. Please go ahead

Hey. Good morning, everyone. Morning. Morning, Mike. So just on the demand outlook, nothing seems overly surprising there. So kind of a twofold question. One, has the thought process changed much in the last you know, quarter, ninety plus days here And then secondarily, what are you hearing from the channel? Is the channel saying something similar, more or less optimistic? And any signs that some of those distressed markets from the channel perspective might see a little bit more of a turn at some point this year?

Bob Pagano

Analyst · Mike Halloran with Baird. Please go ahead

I think, generally, as we saw in the last quarter, it's carried through. To the fourth quarter and probably into January. I think, as you know, uncertainty in the market pauses new construction. So there's been a bunch of uncertainty recently. But I think, general, there's optimism at this point in time. There's some you know, the multifamily, it's gonna take a while for that to come back. We saw that really hit us in the second half of the year. And as we said, we're gonna see that at the beginning of the year. Institutional is still strong. We're monitoring that. Driving that. But, you know, Mike, I I would say it's kinda same. There's some optimism at the recent the ASHRAE show. There's some optimism in the commercial markets, but let's see. Let's watch how interest rates go, and we'll follow through on that.

Mike Halloran

Analyst · Mike Halloran with Baird. Please go ahead

Thanks for that. And and then just thoughts on the European margins and you know, once you get through the restructuring piece here, and once the mix normalize a little bit with the heat pump side and some of the o e pressure, how should we think about the the the sustainable margin range for that region. Is this getting back to kind of that historical range Are there pressure points that would keep you below to these restructuring moves help maybe nudge you above? Just kind of a generic thought process, please.

Bob Pagano

Analyst · Mike Halloran with Baird. Please go ahead

Yeah. So the margins in Europe, as you know, are has been have been lower than the U. S. Primarily because we have more of an OEM channel there. So it's gonna be lower. Our our goal and drive is to get it back up to where it was pre all this decreasing, so we'll continue to do that. And and the team's focused on that. We'll we'll be adjusting our footprint as we talked about with France and, you know, we closed a facility a couple of years ago in France. So we're continuing to go after that fixed cost base. As you know, it's very costly, high payback, but our teams are working it real hard. And, you know, we get a little volume behind us, we'll we'll start seeing some margin drop through. So team's focused on that, and we'll be watching closely on that.

Mike Halloran

Analyst · Mike Halloran with Baird. Please go ahead

Appreciate it. Thanks, Bob.

Shashank Patel

Analyst · Mike Halloran with Baird. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next quest comes from the line of Jeff Hammond with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

David Tarantino

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Hey. Good morning, guys. This is David Tarantino on for Jeff. Morning, David. Sticking with the margin line. Could you just walk us through the puts and takes on the company level margin line, particularly given looks like volumes are expected to be down at the midpoint. Are the key buckets driving the improvement this year?

Shashank Patel

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Yeah. So it's it's a combination of, you know, there's a little bit of price in there. Right? So we announced price increases in January, February, March. So those price increases are baked in. Productivity is another big piece of it. And as you know, in productivity, it's it's global sourcing savings. It's we did quite a bit of restructuring last year. It's productivity in the factories, outside the factories. It's a combination of all of that. And that obviously pays for the incremental invest as well as inflation and the net result. And we do have volume deleverage at the midpoint. Slight volume deleverage compared to last year. And with all of that is what's driving the net margin expansion.

David Tarantino

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Okay. Great. Thanks, sir. And then maybe To get a bit more color on Europe, I guess, is surprised by the degree of remaining pressure coming into 2025. So maybe could you walk us through what are the puts and takes here? How should we expect the implied weakness to progress through the year?

Bob Pagano

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Yeah. At least for the first half, we believe heat pump destocking will continue. It's just not a lot of new constructions happening right now given the uncertainty in the marketplace with the war and funding of the war, etcetera. So I think, you know, we're know, the first half will be probably the most challenged and we'll be looking to pick it up in the second half. But the as you know, I'm usually cautious on Europe, so we're going in with low assumptions so we can make sure our cost structure is in place. And we'll take any upside with volume if it happens, but we're not planning on it at this point.

Shashank Patel

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

And as you see the full year guide, the midpoint minus five, most of that minus five. Five, as Bob said, is happening in the first half. Q one is, you know, the midpoint is like, ten percent. So second half, we do get easier comps. With the big declines we had in second half last year.

David Tarantino

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Okay. Great. Thanks for the color, guys.

Shashank Patel

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Joe Giordano with TD Cavin. Please go ahead. Hi. Good morning. This is Dan for Joe Giordano. I'm wanting to touch on tariffs again. Morning. Just wanted to touch on tariffs again. If we see a scenario of reciprocal tariffs in Europe, does that impact your competitive positioning at all? I'm assuming that's not the case since you manufacture there as well, but if if you could comment on that.

Shashank Patel

Analyst · Joe Giordano with TD Cavin

Yeah. For the most part, you know, our model is manufacturing where we sell. Certainly, like, in North America, we do get some components from From China? But but but in Europe, for the most part, we are manufacturing in the Europe base. So if there are tariffs on imports from the US, it'll the the impact will be minimal.

Dan

Analyst · Joe Giordano with TD Cavin

Got it. Thank you. That that's very helpful. And you mentioned the correctional facilities niche as a as a growing niche that will be an attractive one. Obviously, I understand the the fundamentals of that market will be unique, but is there anything specific from a water product standpoint that is that that is unique in that market? That we you would wanna call out?

Bob Pagano

Analyst · Joe Giordano with TD Cavin

I I think it's just a refurbishment. Many of these facilities are very old, so their plumbing system inside of the cells need to be refurbished, and it's a unique specialized product from a safety point of view. That's in there. So a lot of renovation in that market.

Dan

Analyst · Joe Giordano with TD Cavin

Appreciate it. Thank you so much.

Bob Pagano

Analyst · Joe Giordano with TD Cavin

Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question, comes from the line of Nick Cash with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Nick Cash

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Hi. Yes. This is Nick Cash on from Brian Lee. Can you all hear me? Yeah. Good morning. Hey. Good morning. Just wanted to touch back on the Icon acquisition. Just a small question. One, is that going to be I guess, going through wholesale distribution channel? And two, it is or if not, you know, is there any other I know you mentioned, you know, Nexus but are there any other cross selling opportunities there? Thank you.

Bob Pagano

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

It's primarily a direct customer model. There are opportunities to leverage some of their products through the Bradley rep channels, and we're evaluating that at this point in time. So small synergies, but on the sales side, but mostly mainly cost synergies leveraging our global sourcing and capabilities.

Nick Cash

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Awesome. Thank you.

Shashank Patel

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Star on your Telus. Please press star and one on your telephone keypad. As there are no further questions at this time, I would like to turn the call over to Bob Pagano for closing remarks.

Bob Pagano

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Thank you for taking the time to join us today. We appreciate your continued interest in Watts, and we look forward to speaking with you again in May to discuss our first quarter results. Have a good day, and stay safe.

Operator

Operator

That concludes today's conference call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.